It would be my great grandfather so I could ask him why he moved the family to MO and then back to Lycoming County, PA a few years later. Also I would ask him who his parents were and why his son did know who they were. Margie ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 12:58 AM Subject: [PADAUPHI] QUESTION > List > If you could have dinner with one of your ancestors, who would it be > and > why? > Reply to list. > Nadine > List Admin > > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > http://www.rootsweb.com > >

Hello Marcia, My initial response on the ListServ was intended to be tongue-in-cheek. The person who posted the question about meeting a chosen ancestor responded to my initial posting. My second message was supposed to go only to her. I owe the whole list an apology for unwittingly sending my second message out to all subscribers. I owe them all an apology, but I feel it is best not to post an apology on the list and just let the matter rest. I am having some fascinating and very enjoyable conjectures about what we would talk about and what we would choose to show to each other. Just think, we would have to priortize what we would talk about and do with each other, and it would be a very difficult to decide what should be covered first! I know from the personal property inventory after the 1838 death of our immigrant ancestor, Johannes Zulauf, that seven generations back he kept bees, horses, pigs, cows, etc., had a large apple orchard, had hunting equipment, repaired shoes, raised wheat, hay, oats, corn, barley, and clover seed, etc., etc. I find it amazing that my grandfather and my father and I were all involved in the same agrarian style of life and engaged specifically in all the above mentioned activities of my 4th ggfather, known to me from the property inventory. It's fascinating to realize that for seven generations the men in the family handed down from father to son these activities. I bet old JZ would swell up with pride if he knew he had progeny following so closely in his footsteps for seven generations! And wouldn't his eyes pop at my TV, computer, air conditioner, and sport coupe! Best wishes, Nelson ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Houston" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [PADAUPHI] QUESTION > I don't know Nelson, your like me and are thinking to hard on this question. > My house is a mess so I think I take the walk to my ancestor's house. I > think I'd pick my father, who died at age 41 when I was 13. Some how he and > his mother's generation lost allot of the history of his family, like his gg > grandfather being in the Union army in the Civil war. So It would be great > to sit down over a beer and some liverwurst (a favorite snack of his) and > tell my dad what I've learned over the years. > Also give him a chance to tell HIS side of the stories I'm now being > told by his cousins who I have had a chance to sit with......Like how many > girls did you have to break up with when you married mom in the Navy?? And > how many times did you break your nose, heard you were a bit of a scrapper?? > > Marcia Fronk

Rhoda, Would Margaret be the Smith, Maggie, w/Jeremiah, b. May 28, 1837, d. Apr. 17, 1886, buried in the Old Union Cemetery? Is it possible he was in the Civil War and died? I happen to be looking through the Civil war card file on line at http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/ and there are several Jeremiah Smiths listed and some of those are from Dauphin County. Just a possibility. Marcia Fronk ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:38 PM Subject: [PADAUPHI] Question > Hi, I would like to ask my great grandfather where he went after my > grandfather was born. They lived in Lykens, Dauphin County, PA and he is no where > around . He was Jeremiah Smith and married to Margaret Wolfe. I would like to know > why he went here and there and never left a trace. This was in the 1850's. > But, I don't think he will give me any answers. > Rhoda Turner > [email protected]

Hi, I would like to ask my great grandfather where he went after my grandfather was born. They lived in Lykens, Dauphin County, PA and he is no where around . He was Jeremiah Smith and married to Margaret Wolfe. I would like to know why he went here and there and never left a trace. This was in the 1850's. But, I don't think he will give me any answers. Rhoda Turner [email protected]

I don't know Nelson, your like me and are thinking to hard on this question. My house is a mess so I think I take the walk to my ancestor's house. I think I'd pick my father, who died at age 41 when I was 13. Some how he and his mother's generation lost allot of the history of his family, like his gg grandfather being in the Union army in the Civil war. So It would be great to sit down over a beer and some liverwurst (a favorite snack of his) and tell my dad what I've learned over the years. Also give him a chance to tell HIS side of the stories I'm now being told by his cousins who I have had a chance to sit with......Like how many girls did you have to break up with when you married mom in the Navy?? And how many times did you break your nose, heard you were a bit of a scrapper?? Marcia Fronk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson Sulouff" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [PADAUPHI] QUESTION > Which one of us would be the host? Should we answer this question with > respect to having a dinner at our ancestor's house, or a dinner in our > house? > > Nelson

I have thought quite a bit about this. I cancelled out my 4 great grandfather because he died too soon to answer some of my questions, but I think my 3 great grandfather, Samuel Leffler, might be able to help. I want to know if he was married before he married my 3 great grandmother and where his daughter Catherine was and if Mary was by a first wife. I want to know where his Uncle Adam Leffler ended up (I can't find him after the Rev War). And he should be able to tell me my 3 great grandmother's mother's name and how her stepmother was related to him. He could also give me leads on his brothers and sisters that I have not been able to track down with any certainty. I hope this is a long meal, because I have lots of questions. By the way, my granddaughter who is now 21, used to go to cemeteries with me when she was quite young. She learned letters by looking for names for me on tombstones. One day we were standing by my husband's ancestor and she said "Wouldn't it be nice if he could talk to us?" That's when I knew that she was already hooked and didn't know it. Lora (not in any particular order) Searcher for Lefflers, NASCAR fan, Collector of Shawnee pottery ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 11:58 PM Subject: [PADAUPHI] QUESTION > List > If you could have dinner with one of your ancestors, who would it be > and > why? > Reply to list. > Nadine > List Admin > > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > http://www.rootsweb.com >

Hi Listers, I would very much like to have dinner with my 3rd G-Grandfather, Robert Elder, born in Paxtang about 1748, as the son of Thomas Elder, (b 1708 in Scotland, d Jul 1752 in Paxtang), and Elizabeth Mary Patterson, (b in Scotland), who as a widow in Paxtang, married secondly, James Wallace from Hanover on 29 Nov 1753. With her second husband, she raised Robert Elder and his older brother John Elder and sister, Rachel Elder. I would like to ask Robert Elder to tell me his birthday, and when and where he married his wife, Ann Ingram, with whom he not only raised seven children, but took them all to Green Twp, in Clark Co., Ohio in the Spring of 1813. Both Robert and Ann eventually died there. Robert on 3 Oct 1825 and Ann on 18 Sep 1757. I would hope he could also tell me Ann Ingram's birthday and the names of her parents. David

Nadine, Your posting about going to dinner with an ancestor was certainly thought-provoking. I've gone through numerous imaginary scenarios as a result of your stimulating suggestion. I am torn between preferring to visit my Sulouff immigrant ancestor on his farm in 1803 or having him visit me in my retirement home in Sun City, Tucson, in 2004. What a difference there would be, and what revelations we would have in either case! I administer six Listservs for very uncommon surnames and very small families. Participation is abysmally poor. I think I will be a copycat and post a similar question on my listservs to see if it inspires anyone to respond. Nelson R. Sulouff

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 07:46:06 -0700, you wrote: >Which one of us would be the host? Should we answer this question with >respect to having a dinner at our ancestor's house, or a dinner in our >house? > Nelson Which do you want to do? I don't think taking him to all you can eat buffet would work. They would be overwhelmed.LOL Nadine

My 4th great grandfather John Hawk of Letterkenny Twp. in Franklin Co. because he's such a mystery. How did he get there? I'd ask him who his parents were and if they were the immigrants or if it was an even earlier generation. What was the family religion, and why are there no records? Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 12:58 AM Subject: [PADAUPHI] QUESTION > List > If you could have dinner with one of your ancestors, who would it be > and > why? > Reply to list. > Nadine > List Admin

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I am going to cheat a bit and give a different answer than the one I gave on the Lancaster list, but this one is from Dauphin Co; also, further cheating, he is not my direct ancestor, his sister was (my great-great grandmother). Who: Dr. David Cassel Keller (always went by "D.C.") 1814-1891. Early in life he was a schoolteacher and always remained interested in education, being a member of the school board. Later he became a physician and was a country doctor in Union Deposit for many years; his obituary says he delivered 2000 babies. His long obit and his will are on my website at: http://janiceaf.home.netcom.com/keller.html#davobit Why: Just think of the stories he could tell, I wouldn't have to say a thing! Nadine, this was a great idea! Jan At 12:58 AM 4/13/2004, you wrote: >List > If you could have dinner with one of your ancestors, who would it be >and >why? >Reply to list. >Nadine >List Admin > > > >==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== >http://www.rootsweb.com

Which one of us would be the host? Should we answer this question with respect to having a dinner at our ancestor's house, or a dinner in our house? Nelson ////////////////////////////////////// ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:58 PM Subject: [PADAUPHI] QUESTION > List > If you could have dinner with one of your ancestors, who would it be > and > why? > Reply to list. > Nadine > List Admin > > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > http://www.rootsweb.com >

I would love to have dinner with my great grandmother. Catherine Freeland Wilson Rose. Born in Apr 1859 died in July 1930 I would ask her who were her parents? What happen to her first husband,my great grandfather John H.Wilson he died between 1885 and 1890 because she was married to Daniel Rose by then. Was John's father named Daniel born in Dauphin Co.,1822. How was she able to cope with losing her daughter-in-law Minnie Potteiger Wilson leaving eight small children to help her son my grandfather to raise. I know she had to care about her family because there was always grand children with her in all the census right up till her death in 1930. I would have her teach me to make apple dumplings like the PA Dutch make that my father always talked about but none of us could make like she did. Nadine Wilson Hensley

List If you could have dinner with one of your ancestors, who would it be and why? Reply to list. Nadine List Admin

I would have dinner with my 3Great Grandfather Jacob Witz, b. 1809, married 1831 Lebanon, PA to Sarah Fornwalt. It would be interesting to know what motivated him to pack up and leave Lebanon, PA, and move around 1838 to the western frontier close to Fort Recovery, Ohio, then move over to Tiffin, Seneca County, Ohio, and finally settle down in unpopulated Saginaw, MI, in 1852...the whole while producing and hauling around a dozen children in covered wagons? Oh, the wonderful tales he would be able to tell! Thank you, Patrick Witz ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:58 PM Subject: [PADAUPHI] QUESTION > List > If you could have dinner with one of your ancestors, who would it be > and > why? > Reply to list. > Nadine > List Admin > > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > http://www.rootsweb.com

Hi, I grew up not far from an area that we called Lucknow (the area around 6th St. and Linglestown Rd in Susquehanna Twp, Harrisburg, PA) so I checked the maps at Yahoo and it is still there. If you go to this map you can see Lucknow road and the railroad. I don't remember that there was actually a railroad 'yard' there but it may well have been at one time. http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?ed=7msCvOp_0Tp5B5xNwmcRxgmq5UQb&csz=harrisburg%2C+pa&country=us&new=1&name=&qty= If this link is not clickable for you, just go to http://maps.yahoo.com/ and enter 'Lucknow Road' and Harrisburg, PA into the search boxes to go to the map. ============================================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Heller Zinn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 8:44 PM Subject: [PADAUPHI] Lucknow Rail Yards > Hello Fellow Listers: > > Does anyone know where the Lucknow Railroad Yards are/were located???? > > Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., Pa. > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > Post only genealogy related topics >

Hello Fellow Listers: Does anyone know where the Lucknow Railroad Yards are/were located???? Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., Pa.

Donna Heller Zinn wrote: > Hello Fellow Listers: > > My great-grandmother was Elizabeth Chrisogena "Lizzie" GROUP GRUNDON (d/o > Howard Washington and Martha Jane HUMMELBAUGH GROUP b.24-Nov-1876 Adams > Co., PA. d.1953 Cumberland Co. Nursing Home, Carlisle, Cumberland Co., PA. > bd. Middletown Cemetery, Dauphin Co., PA.) md. Allen Nestley GRUNDON, Sr. > (b.1877 d.1939 bd. Middletown Cemetery). Any relationship???? > > Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA. Thanks for the contact, Donna. Since we are just beginning to gather GRUNDON data, it's too early to say, but we'll certainly look into it and keep you posted on the results. And again, thanks for contacting us. -- Regards, CHARLES EARL FIES -- Fies Family Fotos <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/> FIES/FEES Family History Research Site <http://www.fies-fees.org> BABB - HARTMAN <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Babbs.html> DAUPHIN CO. CEMETERIES <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/DauphinCo.html> ERNST-GRUBER <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Ernsts.html> Forgotten Cemeteries <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Forgotten.html> FRASCELLA -- <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Frascella.html> HARTMAN <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Hartman.html> SCHLEGEL-PETERS <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/EarlPete.html> SNYDER-JONES <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/ermafies.html> SWARTZ / SCHWARTZ <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Swartz.html> WIELAND-YOUNG-STONER<http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Wealands.html> ZIMMERMAN - Berks Co PA<http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Zimmerman.html>

Hello Fellow Listers: My great-grandmother was Elizabeth Chrisogena "Lizzie" GROUP GRUNDON (d/o Howard Washington and Martha Jane HUMMELBAUGH GROUP b.24-Nov-1876 Adams Co., PA. d.1953 Cumberland Co. Nursing Home, Carlisle, Cumberland Co., PA. bd. Middletown Cemetery, Dauphin Co., PA.) md. Allen Nestley GRUNDON, Sr. (b.1877 d.1939 bd. Middletown Cemetery). Any relationship???? Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles E. Fies, Retired" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 7:14 AM Subject: [PADAUPHI] GRUNDON families in Middletown area > [email protected] wrote: > > In a message dated 11-Apr-04 9:20:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > << I'm taking a WAG about your genealogy, and am wondering if you have > > any branches on the Middletown/Royalton GRUNDON families. Nancy > > UPDEGRAFF's mother was, I believe, a GRUNDON, and she is interested > > in starting up her family tree research >> > > ============================= > > Charles, > > Thank you for your e-mail. My line is GRUNDEN, from the central PA area, but > > I have put together some info on the GRUNDONs, in and around Middletown. I > > also have some contacts that I have been working with on the GRUNDON line. I > > will look up what I have this coming week and get back to you. Tax Time for me > > right now. > > > > Regards, > > Murv Grunden (Harrisburg, PA) > > > Many thanks, Murv. > > I appreciate the reply, and will look forward to seeing your > GRUNDON material. All I know about the family is that a GRUNDON > family lived a couple of houses up Burd Street from me in Royalton. > I'm passing your e-mail along to Nancy UPDEGRAFF for her > information. I was taking a chance on the spelling variance, since > so much of it took place years back. For instance, a FIES ancestor > of mine had his last name spelled four different ways on the SAME > WILL transcription back in the early 1800s. > > Again, thanks for the quick response. > -- > Regards, > > CHARLES EARL FIES -- Fies Family Fotos <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/> > FIES/FEES Family History Research Site <http://www.fies-fees.org> > BABB - HARTMAN <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Babbs.html> > DAUPHIN CO. CEMETERIES <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/DauphinCo.html> > ERNST-GRUBER <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Ernsts.html> > Forgotten Cemeteries <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Forgotten.html> > FRASCELLA -- <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Frascella.html> > HARTMAN <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Hartman.html> > SCHLEGEL-PETERS <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/EarlPete.html> > SNYDER-JONES <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/ermafies.html> > SWARTZ / SCHWARTZ <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Swartz.html> > WIELAND-YOUNG-STONER<http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Wealands.html> > ZIMMERMAN - Berks Co PA<http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Zimmerman.html> > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe first check and see if you are getting list or digest mode then e-mail [email protected] or [email protected] with unsubscribe in message. >