Charles: Can you please post the e-mails of the Shelley descendants of Shelley Island? I'm related to an Abraham Shelley who came here to Michigan. He was originally from Shelley's Island, and left there before the 1850 census. He was married there on the island in a double wedding ceremony with his sister, as I recall. A number of us who never have been there were trying to dredge up some of the early history of that island. We found they had a number of large fisheries there at one time, and that it was sort of a resort island for local social clubs to take outings to in the 1800's. ---Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles E. Fies, Retired" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 9:51 AM Subject: Shelley Island, Susquehann River Page > Katie Shelley wrote: > > > Hello. This is a comment for Chris Shelley - or > > whoever has done the geneolagy work on the Shelleys of > > Shelley Island from your website. I'm a descendent of > > the Shelley Island crowd, according to my late > > Grandmother, Esther Zimmerman-Shelley's research. > > Though I've never delved into the geneolagy myself, > > I've recently become more interesting in canoeing and > > kayaking - and so one of these days I may find myself > > at Shelley Island while heading down the Susquehannah. > > Who knows? > > > I remember a picture of one of the Abraham Shelleys > > (circa 1850's or so, I believe). He had about 20 > > children - and my grandmother found a letter from the > > school board telling Abraham to keep his lousy > > children home....presumably until they could get rid > > of the headlice! That certainly must have been > > difficult with all those kids! > > > Your Shelley page was one of the first pages to > > come up when I searched for "Shelley Island" on > > Google. Great work - Thanks! > > > > Katie Shelley :) > > Thanks for the feedback. While I no longer get the > [email protected], I'll forward it just in case Chris is still > getting it. > > The "lousy Shelley kids" is a new and interesting story, I haven't > heard it before. Perhaps others have, and may contact you for more > details. :) > -- > Regards, > > CHARLES EARL FIES -- Fies Family Fotos <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/> > FIES/FEES Family History Research Site <http://www.fies-fees.org> > BABB - HARTMAN <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Babbs.html> > DAUPHIN CO. CEMETERIES <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/DauphinCo.html> > ERNST-GRUBER <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Ernsts.html> > Forgotten Cemeteries <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Forgotten.html> > FRASCELLA -- <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Frascella.html> > HARTMAN <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Hartman.html> > SCHLEGEL-PETERS <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/EarlPete.html> > SNYDER-JONES <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/ermafies.html> > SWARTZ / SCHWARTZ <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Swartz.html> > WIELAND-YOUNG-STONER<http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Wealands.html> > ZIMMERMAN - Berks Co PA<http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Zimmerman.html> >

Katie Shelley wrote: > Hello. This is a comment for Chris Shelley - or > whoever has done the geneolagy work on the Shelleys of > Shelley Island from your website. I'm a descendent of > the Shelley Island crowd, according to my late > Grandmother, Esther Zimmerman-Shelley's research. > Though I've never delved into the geneolagy myself, > I've recently become more interesting in canoeing and > kayaking - and so one of these days I may find myself > at Shelley Island while heading down the Susquehannah. > Who knows? > I remember a picture of one of the Abraham Shelleys > (circa 1850's or so, I believe). He had about 20 > children - and my grandmother found a letter from the > school board telling Abraham to keep his lousy > children home....presumably until they could get rid > of the headlice! That certainly must have been > difficult with all those kids! > Your Shelley page was one of the first pages to > come up when I searched for "Shelley Island" on > Google. Great work - Thanks! > > Katie Shelley :) Thanks for the feedback. While I no longer get the [email protected], I'll forward it just in case Chris is still getting it. The "lousy Shelley kids" is a new and interesting story, I haven't heard it before. Perhaps others have, and may contact you for more details. :) -- Regards, CHARLES EARL FIES -- Fies Family Fotos <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/> FIES/FEES Family History Research Site <http://www.fies-fees.org> BABB - HARTMAN <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Babbs.html> DAUPHIN CO. CEMETERIES <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/DauphinCo.html> ERNST-GRUBER <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Ernsts.html> Forgotten Cemeteries <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Forgotten.html> FRASCELLA -- <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Frascella.html> HARTMAN <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Hartman.html> SCHLEGEL-PETERS <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/EarlPete.html> SNYDER-JONES <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/ermafies.html> SWARTZ / SCHWARTZ <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Swartz.html> WIELAND-YOUNG-STONER<http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Wealands.html> ZIMMERMAN - Berks Co PA<http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Zimmerman.html>

Susan Just one more quick tip about finding obituaries at the State Library of Pennsylvania. The catalog, including newspapers, is on-line. Make a list of the newspapers (and dates) you want to view now. This will save you time when you get to Harrisburg. www.statelibrary.state.pa.us It's a little tricky to use, so if you have trouble, feel free to e-mail me. Salapano

kellerc wrote: > Sir, > > While searching your page, I noticed an entry for my mother, Elizabeth P. > Sherman. However, her name is listed as Sherma?. If it's not too much > trouble, could you change it? > > I very much appreciate the work you've done on these pages. > > Thanks, > Barbara Keller :) Thanks for the correction, Barbara. I couldn't accurately read the last letters while transcribing, but put the ? there. It's been corrected, thanks to your email. See any others, by all means, let me know. :) -- Regards, CHARLES EARL FIES -- Fies Family Fotos <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/> FIES/FEES Family History Research Site <http://www.fies-fees.org> BABB - HARTMAN <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Babbs.html> DAUPHIN CO. CEMETERIES <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/DauphinCo.html> ERNST-GRUBER <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Ernsts.html> Forgotten Cemeteries <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Forgotten.html> FRASCELLA -- <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Frascella.html> HARTMAN <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Hartman.html> SCHLEGEL-PETERS <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/EarlPete.html> SNYDER-JONES <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/ermafies.html> SWARTZ / SCHWARTZ <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Swartz.html> WIELAND-YOUNG-STONER<http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Wealands.html> ZIMMERMAN - Berks Co PA<http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Zimmerman.html>

On Harrisburg Cemetery: As Joan Bretz indicated, it is helpful to arrange to meet the caretaker first. His name is Bob Probst and he is one of the nicest people I have ever met. I have worked with him for about five years as a cemetery tour guide for the Camp Curtin Historical Society--we give organized tours in September--and he always seems genuinely pleased to be able to help, no matter how busy he is. If you can't contact him, he and his crew are usually at work somewhere in the cemetery Monday through Friday from about 8 to 4 (especially now that warm weather is here). Follow the sounds of the lawnmowers, or look for the white utility truck that Bob drives around. You can usually flag him down and ask questions. The records are in a card file in the basement of the caretaker's house. He also has general maps of the cemetery which he gives out. By the way, don't miss taking a good look at the caretaker's house. It is probably the best and possibly last great example of an authentic Gothic Revival house in Harrisburg. It exhibits nearly every classic detail of that style, was built in 1845 and has never undergone an exterior remodeling. The cemetery association used to claim that the house was designed by nationally renowned architect A. J. Downing, but they have since backed away from that claim and now note that the house is designed "in the style of Downing," which is still pretty significant. Unfortunately the cemetery association needs to keep the windows boarded up to prevent vandalism when the crew is gone, which detracts from the appearance, but this also helps to preserve the house. The two-thirds of the cemetery that surround the house are also true to the designer's style. Harrisburg Cemetery was originally named Mount Kalmia Cemetery, and was opened in 1845 as part of the new "rural cemetery" movement. This style emphasized hilly, wooded sites with broad picturesque vistas and a grand cemetery gate. Based upon European landscape gardening style that incorporated the Romantic period landscaping techniques of Humphrey Repton, these rural cemeteries became the forerunners of public parks in urban American society. Harrisburg Cemetery is one of my favorite spots in the city (can you tell?). Phone: (717) 234-8661 (you may need to leave a message, as the crew is usually outside). address: 521 North 13th Street, Harrisburg, PA 17103. Driving directions: North on Thirteenth Street to State Street. Proceed straight (north) through the traffic light at State Street to the cemetery entrance, directly ahead. From downtown Harrisburg, travel east on State Street across the State Street Bridge. At the traffic light at the east end of the bridge (Thirteenth Street), turn left to the cemetery entrance. George F. Nagle Editor, Afrolumens Project http://www.afrolumens.org/ -----Original Message----- From: Joan Bretz [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 9:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PADAUPHI] TRIP TO HARRISBURG Susan, just remember that not all newspapers have all issues extant anymore prior to the 20th century and the State Library may not have all papers. Also keep in mind that prior to perhaps the 1930s or so, obituaries are not as we see them now - generally on the same page of the paper and with a fair amount of information on the deceased and his/her family. Early on the obits could be only a few lines and moved around in the paper as space permitted.. So if you are looking for obits prior to 1906, be prepared to spend a fair amount of time searching for each one. Oh yes, the per copy cost is still a quarter per page; if no one else is searching, you can just stay at the reader/printer. I was just at the library yesterday for the first time in a few months. The genealogy area has been rearranged a bit though it looks like pretty much the same material. Much of the reference material has been entered in the computer catalog so do check there. Also some of the older books that had not been shelved because of their age/condition are now on microfiche. As George Nagle suggested, have an idea what type of information you are looking for as different things are located at the different sites. In particular the State Archives has land records, hard copies of the PA Archive series (State Library has microfiche), military records; assorted county records; census records. State Library has published family histories; assorted county and regional printed references; census films; newspapers (not all papers and not all issues); passenger arrivals at a number of ports. >From Mechanicsburg to Harrisburg, there are probably two ways I would recommend. Either get over to I83 and take that to the Second Street exit just over the Susquehanna River - that takes you to downtown Hbg where you can park in a garage and walk to the places you are interested in or you can go to Market Square (the street opens into a wide square with some large structures on it - turn left and go straight to the Market Street bridge which would take you to City Island. Or have someone give you the directions so you can drive along the west side of the river til you pass a number of restaurants on your left to a light where you turn left onto the Market Street bridge which would take you to City Island from the other direction. Personally - I would pay $10-$15 to park in a garage so I wouldn't have to spend the extra time waiting for a bus to take me to and from City Island. Also, if you are going to go to the cemeteries: try to call the office in advance and make arrangements to meet the caretaker at the office. I know the office is not always open at the Harrisburg Cemetery but if you make an appointment, the caretaker will meet you and let you look through the records with him. Also this cemetery is right out the street from the back of the capital complex - not far from downtown. I'm not sure about Hbg East office policies. This place is farther from downtown. Happy hunting and enjoy our fair city!! Joan Bretz ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== http://www.rootsweb.com

Susan, just remember that not all newspapers have all issues extant anymore prior to the 20th century and the State Library may not have all papers. Also keep in mind that prior to perhaps the 1930s or so, obituaries are not as we see them now - generally on the same page of the paper and with a fair amount of information on the deceased and his/her family. Early on the obits could be only a few lines and moved around in the paper as space permitted.. So if you are looking for obits prior to 1906, be prepared to spend a fair amount of time searching for each one. Oh yes, the per copy cost is still a quarter per page; if no one else is searching, you can just stay at the reader/printer. I was just at the library yesterday for the first time in a few months. The genealogy area has been rearranged a bit though it looks like pretty much the same material. Much of the reference material has been entered in the computer catalog so do check there. Also some of the older books that had not been shelved because of their age/condition are now on microfiche. As George Nagle suggested, have an idea what type of information you are looking for as different things are located at the different sites. In particular the State Archives has land records, hard copies of the PA Archive series (State Library has microfiche), military records; assorted county records; census records. State Library has published family histories; assorted county and regional printed references; census films; newspapers (not all papers and not all issues); passenger arrivals at a number of ports. From Mechanicsburg to Harrisburg, there are probably two ways I would recommend. Either get over to I83 and take that to the Second Street exit just over the Susquehanna River - that takes you to downtown Hbg where you can park in a garage and walk to the places you are interested in or you can go to Market Square (the street opens into a wide square with some large structures on it - turn left and go straight to the Market Street bridge which would take you to City Island. Or have someone give you the directions so you can drive along the west side of the river til you pass a number of restaurants on your left to a light where you turn left onto the Market Street bridge which would take you to City Island from the other direction. Personally - I would pay $10-$15 to park in a garage so I wouldn't have to spend the extra time waiting for a bus to take me to and from City Island. Also, if you are going to go to the cemeteries: try to call the office in advance and make arrangements to meet the caretaker at the office. I know the office is not always open at the Harrisburg Cemetery but if you make an appointment, the caretaker will meet you and let you look through the records with him. Also this cemetery is right out the street from the back of the capital complex - not far from downtown. I'm not sure about Hbg East office policies. This place is farther from downtown. Happy hunting and enjoy our fair city!! Joan Bretz

Descendants of David Beck 1 David BECK b: January 25, 1809 in PA (appears in 1850 Mifflin Twp., Dauphin Co., PA and 1870 Eagle Point Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) d: June 5, 1873 Burial: Evangelical Cemetery, Brookville Twp., Ogle Co., IL . +Susan FAGELY b: October 20, 1817 in PA d: April 10, 1895 Burial: Evangelical Cemetery, Brookville Twp., Ogle Co., IL ... 2 Henry BECK b: Abt. 1839 ... 2 William BECK b: December 11, 1839 in Dauphin Co., PA d: June 15, 1919 Burial: Fairmount Cemetery, Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL ...... +Katherine BUFFINGTON b: February 1, 1852 in Berrysburg, Dauphin Co., PA m: March 5, 1878 in Polo, Ogle Co., IL d: January 20, 1920 Burial: Fairmount Cemetery, Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL Father: Elias Buffington Mother: Sarah A. Shaffer ... 2 Rebecca BECK b: March 12, 1843 d: November 25, 1866 Burial: Evangelical Cemetery, Brookville Twp., Ogle Co., IL ... 2 Sarah BECK b: Abt. 1844 ... 2 Catharine BECK b: 1845 d: 1934 Burial: Evangelical Cemetery, Brookville Twp., Ogle Co., IL ...... +William F. KRUSE b: 1850 d: 1928 Burial: Evangelical Cemetery, Brookville Twp., Ogle Co., IL Father: ? Kruse Mother: Louisa ? ........ 3 Annie KRUSE ........ 3 Katie KRUSE ........ 3 Sarah KRUSE ........ 3 William KRUSE ........ 3 Minnie KRUSE b: August 1877 in IL ............ +Ira SCHNEE b: March 1864 in IL (appears in 1900 Lima Twp. and 1910 Cherry Grove Twp., Carroll Co., IL census) m: May 17, 1895 in Ogle Co., IL d: February 7, 1941 in Lima Twp., Carroll Co., IL Father: Joseph Schnee Mother: Sarah Ann Crofts ........ 3 Mary Anna KRUSE b: October 3, 1880 in Brookville Twp., Ogle Co., IL d: October 1, 1974 in Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL Burial: Lanark Cemetery, Lanark, Carroll Co., IL ............ +Eugene Sidney SARBER b: April 5, 1877 in Lima Twp., Carroll Co., IL (appears in 1910 Cherry Grove Twp., Carroll Co., IL census) m: January 5, 1899 in Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL d: July 20, 1962 in Lanark, Carroll Co., IL Burial: Lanark Cemetery, Lanark, Carroll Co., IL Father: Gabriel Sarber Mother: Harriet Michael ........ 3 David KRUSE b: 1889 d: 1926 Burial: Evangelical Cemetery, Brookville Twp., Ogle Co., IL ... 2 Elias BECK b: May 4, 1847 in (appears in 1910 Cherry Grove Twp., Carroll Co., IL census) d: May 30, 1912 Burial: Evangelical Cemetery, Brookville Twp., Ogle Co., IL ...... +Mary E. ALBRIGHT b: 1859 m: April 20, 1876 in Ogle Co., IL d: 1933 Burial: Evangelical Cemetery, Brookville Twp., Ogle Co., IL ........ 3 George F. BECK b: 1879 d: 1935 Burial: Evangelical Cemetery, Brookville Twp., Ogle Co., IL ........ 3 Daniel E. BECK b: 1883 d: 1937 Burial: Evangelical Cemetery, Brookville Twp., Ogle Co., IL ........ 3 Clifford BECK b: Abt. 1900 ... 2 David BECK b: 1849 d: 1929 Burial: Brookville Cemetery, Brookville Twp., Ogle Co., IL ... 2 John H. BECK b: January 25, 1854 d: February 6, 1860 Burial: Evangelical Cemetery, Brookville Twp., Ogle Co., IL ... 2 Walter C. BECK b: 1855 d: September 24, 1855 Burial: Evangelical Cemetery, Brookville Twp., Ogle Co., IL ... 2 Matilda BECK b: Abt. 1856 in IL ...... +David ZIEGENFUSS m: March 12, 1885 in Ogle Co., IL ... 2 Margaret Elizabeth "Maggie" BECK b: 1859 in IL d: 1946 Burial: Fairmount Cemetery, Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL ...... +John Henry ALBRIGHT b: 1855 m: April 9, 1878 in Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL d: March 16, 1931 in Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL Burial: Fairmount Cemetery, Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL Father: George Albright Mother: Barbara Kochendarfer ........ 3 Lloyd E. ALBRIGHT b: April 1, 1895 d: August 2, 1954 Burial: Fairmount Cemetery, Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL ........ 3 Roy L. ALBRIGHT b: 1899 d: October 15, 1921 in Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL Burial: Fairmount Cemetery, Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL ........ 3 Lucy ALBRIGHT b: 1899 d: 1974 Burial: Fairmount Cemetery, Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL ............ +? WYNN ... 2 Anna BECK b: December 10, 1861 in IL d: February 24, 1923 Burial: Fairmount Cemetery, Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL ...... +Morris WASSER b: November 6, 1857 in Lehigh Co., PA m: February 14, 1882 in Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL d: October 22, 1928 Burial: Fairmount Cemetery, Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL Father: James Wasser Mother: Hannah ? Roger Cramer Peoria, Arizona Roger & Sue Cramer's Genealogy Site http://members.aol.com/rogercubs/index.html Ogle Co., IL Genealogy Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilogle/

Hi George, Thanks so much for all your good info. Since the library has a good newspaper room, I think I will concentrate on that first. I am hoping to find quite a few obituaries, since birth/death/marriage certificates are very sparse to come by in PA, particularly prior to 1906. And if they are available, I can always get them by mail. Trenton has some of those horrible hand crank/no print machines also. It's so time consuming transferring them to a printer and back again. Oh well, we do love to do the research no matter the obstacles, right? I also want to visit the Harrisburg Cemetery and the East Harrisburg Cemetery while I am there. Then a trip to the Historical Society of Dauphin Co, of which I am a member, but have never been there. Then---if time permits, I will visit Perry Co. I have lots of ancestors in that county and have been there before, but always need to do more research. I'll just have to deal with the road construction and rush hour traffic I guess. There's really no way around that no matter where you go these days, even here in NJ. Thanks for the parking tip on City Island. I'll do that. I love to walk--just hope it's not raining!! Thanks again for your help. Susan [email protected] On Sat, 8 May 2004 14:28:52 -0400 "George F. Nagle" <[email protected]> writes: > Be advised that the state archives building is closed on Mondays. If > I have research to do in both places, I usually plan to spend Monday > in the state library. The state library, by the way, has a > fantastic genealogy room and a wonderful newspaper room, both > equipped with microform readers. There are additional readers in > the main library reading room, as well. The microfilm readers are > manually operated (hand crank), with no printing ability. There are > printing readers available, but only a few and the routine is to > research and locate information using the manual readers and then > take the film to the printers to make copies. > > Most staff members in both the archives and library are extremely > helpful and knowledgeable, but there are also a few who are not. I > think they've gotten better over the years (or maybe I've just > learned which ones to approach for help). > > Arrive early and bring lots of quarters if you plan to make copies. > The last time I was in the archives, the machines required tokens > that were only available in the museum shop, next door. Ask for > details when you check in. Don't take more than a notebook, pencils > (no pens) and very brief notes into the archives--they won't allow > much else. The library is more relaxed in their rules. > > Time saver tip: Have a few very specific things in mind that you > want to find. If you arrive with a vague plan to research the Smith > family tree, the staff will point you to general sources that won't > help much. If, on the other hand, you tell them you need to find > the birthdate of your great grandfather, who you think was born in > Carbon County circa 1903, they will be able to get you started with > very specific sources that will be of much more help. They have so > much in these repositories that it is easy to become overwhelmed. > > , there is a Dauphin Historical Society and a Historical Society of > Dauphin County. The latter is probably the one you want. Their > research room opens at 1 p.m. and is only open four days per week > (closed either Monday or Friday, I forget which). The librarian is > Warren Wirebach, an extremely knowledgeable man who can be of > immense help if you've done some groundwork first. > > Parking is a little tough and depends upon how far you want to walk. > There are parking garages and surface lots downtown, very close to > the capitol complex. However I usually park on City Island and walk > across the bridge into the downtown area. It costs three or four > dollars for the day and I can enjoy the view of the river, > riverfront park and the water gap. > > I'll let someone else handle the Mechanicsburg-Harrisburg route. > Beware of the highway construction and rush hour. > > Need more details? > > George F. Nagle > Editor, Afrolumens Project > http://www.afrolumens.org/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan J Fevola [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 1:06 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [PADAUPHI] TRIP TO HARRISBURG > > > I will be going to do research in the Harrisburg area, staying in > Mechanicsburg. I only have a couple of days so I want to make the > most > of my time. > > Would it be best to go to the State Library or the Archives first? > Is > there adequate parking? Is there a "best route" from Mechanicsburg > to > get to these places? > > Hoping to also get to the Dauphin Historical Society. > > Thanks for any local info that you can provide. > Susan > [email protected] > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > List admin can be reached at [email protected] > > > > > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > DAUPHIN COUNTY PA GEN-WEB site > http://www.maley.net/dauphin/ > > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Be advised that the state archives building is closed on Mondays. If I have research to do in both places, I usually plan to spend Monday in the state library. The state library, by the way, has a fantastic genealogy room and a wonderful newspaper room, both equipped with microform readers. There are additional readers in the main library reading room, as well. The microfilm readers are manually operated (hand crank), with no printing ability. There are printing readers available, but only a few and the routine is to research and locate information using the manual readers and then take the film to the printers to make copies. Most staff members in both the archives and library are extremely helpful and knowledgeable, but there are also a few who are not. I think they've gotten better over the years (or maybe I've just learned which ones to approach for help). Arrive early and bring lots of quarters if you plan to make copies. The last time I was in the archives, the machines required tokens that were only available in the museum shop, next door. Ask for details when you check in. Don't take more than a notebook, pencils (no pens) and very brief notes into the archives--they won't allow much else. The library is more relaxed in their rules. Time saver tip: Have a few very specific things in mind that you want to find. If you arrive with a vague plan to research the Smith family tree, the staff will point you to general sources that won't help much. If, on the other hand, you tell them you need to find the birthdate of your great grandfather, who you think was born in Carbon County circa 1903, they will be able to get you started with very specific sources that will be of much more help. They have so much in these repositories that it is easy to become overwhelmed. Also, there is a Dauphin Historical Society and a Historical Society of Dauphin County. The latter is probably the one you want. Their research room opens at 1 p.m. and is only open four days per week (closed either Monday or Friday, I forget which). The librarian is Warren Wirebach, an extremely knowledgeable man who can be of immense help if you've done some groundwork first. Parking is a little tough and depends upon how far you want to walk. There are parking garages and surface lots downtown, very close to the capitol complex. However I usually park on City Island and walk across the bridge into the downtown area. It costs three or four dollars for the day and I can enjoy the view of the river, riverfront park and the water gap. I'll let someone else handle the Mechanicsburg-Harrisburg route. Beware of the highway construction and rush hour. Need more details? George F. Nagle Editor, Afrolumens Project http://www.afrolumens.org/ -----Original Message----- From: Susan J Fevola [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 1:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PADAUPHI] TRIP TO HARRISBURG I will be going to do research in the Harrisburg area, staying in Mechanicsburg. I only have a couple of days so I want to make the most of my time. Would it be best to go to the State Library or the Archives first? Is there adequate parking? Is there a "best route" from Mechanicsburg to get to these places? Hoping to also get to the Dauphin Historical Society. Thanks for any local info that you can provide. Susan [email protected] ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== List admin can be reached at [email protected]

I will be going to do research in the Harrisburg area, staying in Mechanicsburg. I only have a couple of days so I want to make the most of my time. Would it be best to go to the State Library or the Archives first? Is there adequate parking? Is there a "best route" from Mechanicsburg to get to these places? Hoping to also get to the Dauphin Historical Society. Thanks for any local info that you can provide. Susan [email protected] ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

I am just starting to search on this line and am looking for any information on Catherine Kramer, born about 1852 in Germany (daughter of Matthew Kramer of Williamstown). Catherine immigrated to the US about 1865 and married Lewis Hoffman. They lived in Lykens, Dauphin County, Pennsylvania and had 9 children. She died in 1921. Sound familiar to anyone?

Can someone tell me how I can obtain birth records for children born in Dauphin County between 1849 and 1865. The only information I know are the names of the children, their parent's name, and the approximate year they were born. Thank you. George

Bob Kellner wrote: > Dear Mr. Fies: > I just wanted to make sure that you received this email. > Best Regards, > Bob Kellner::}~ > I laid out the data you provided, and upgraded the YOUNG page at: <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Young.html> I can only presume I read it correctly. There are still a lot of unfilled blanks and confirmations needed, but they will come in time (I hope!) Again, thanks for the feedback. -- Regards, CHARLES EARL FIES -- Fies Family Fotos <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/> FIES/FEES Family History Research Site <http://www.fies-fees.org> BABB - HARTMAN <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Babbs.html> DAUPHIN CO. CEMETERIES <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/DauphinCo.html> ERNST-GRUBER <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Ernsts.html> Forgotten Cemeteries <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Forgotten.html> FRASCELLA -- <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Frascella.html> HARTMAN <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Hartman.html> SCHLEGEL-PETERS <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/EarlPete.html> SNYDER-JONES <http://home.att.net/~chasfies/ermafies.html> SWARTZ / SCHWARTZ <http://home.att.net/~charliefies/Swartz.html> WIELAND-YOUNG-STONER<http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Wealands.html> ZIMMERMAN - Berks Co PA<http://home.att.net/~chasfies/Zimmerman.html>

Thank you very much. Fred > > From: "George F. Nagle" <[email protected]> > Date: 2004/04/25 Sun PM 07:29:19 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [PADAUPHI] White Hall Hotel > > My 1887 edition of Boyd's Harrisburg and Steelton Directory has the > following listing: > "WHITE HALL HOTEL, S. L. Crall, 217 Market" > > To help locate it, the address of the Dauphin Deposit Bank was 213 Market, > so this building was two "doors" to the east on the same side of the street, > or about one half block from the outdoor market stalls which were in the > square at Second and Market. The hotel was apparently a Crall family > business, as it was listed as managed by S(imon)L. Crall, and three other > Cralls worked and lived there: Eugene A., Jacob C. and Oscar O. > > In 1894 there is a listing for the Commercial Hotel, run by Emilio Russ, at > this address. Augustus Russ was bartender here. No Cralls are listed in > the Harrisburg Directory in 1897, begging the question: where did they go? > The Russ family, however, was definitely in the hotel business. In 1894 we > find listings for the Hotel Columbus (229-233 Walnut) managed by Alexander > Russ and owned by Narcissus Russ, the Grand Hotel (314 Market) run by Lewis > Russ, and the Hotel Russ (423 Market) owned by Patrick Russ. > > By 1897 the Commerical Hotel has been renamed the Hotel Arnold, run by > Martin L. Arnold. > > The last Directory I own, 1919, lists 217 Market as the Hotel Carlton, run > by J. William Rodenhaver. > > George F. Nagle > Editor, Afrolumens Project > http://www.afrolumens.org/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 3:20 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [PADAUPHI] White Hall Hotel > > > Hello Friends, > > The 1887-90 city directory for Hgb. should show the White Hall Hotel. > Can anybody tell me its address? Was it on lower market near the farmers > market? Thank you very much, Fred > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe first check and see if you are getting list or digest mode > then e-mail [email protected] or > [email protected] with unsubscribe in message. > > > > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > DAUPHIN COUNTY PA GEN-WEB site > http://www.maley.net/dauphin/ > >

My 1887 edition of Boyd's Harrisburg and Steelton Directory has the following listing: "WHITE HALL HOTEL, S. L. Crall, 217 Market" To help locate it, the address of the Dauphin Deposit Bank was 213 Market, so this building was two "doors" to the east on the same side of the street, or about one half block from the outdoor market stalls which were in the square at Second and Market. The hotel was apparently a Crall family business, as it was listed as managed by S(imon)L. Crall, and three other Cralls worked and lived there: Eugene A., Jacob C. and Oscar O. In 1894 there is a listing for the Commercial Hotel, run by Emilio Russ, at this address. Augustus Russ was bartender here. No Cralls are listed in the Harrisburg Directory in 1897, begging the question: where did they go? The Russ family, however, was definitely in the hotel business. In 1894 we find listings for the Hotel Columbus (229-233 Walnut) managed by Alexander Russ and owned by Narcissus Russ, the Grand Hotel (314 Market) run by Lewis Russ, and the Hotel Russ (423 Market) owned by Patrick Russ. By 1897 the Commerical Hotel has been renamed the Hotel Arnold, run by Martin L. Arnold. The last Directory I own, 1919, lists 217 Market as the Hotel Carlton, run by J. William Rodenhaver. George F. Nagle Editor, Afrolumens Project http://www.afrolumens.org/ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 3:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PADAUPHI] White Hall Hotel Hello Friends, The 1887-90 city directory for Hgb. should show the White Hall Hotel. Can anybody tell me its address? Was it on lower market near the farmers market? Thank you very much, Fred ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe first check and see if you are getting list or digest mode then e-mail [email protected] or [email protected] with unsubscribe in message.

Hello Friends, The 1887-90 city directory for Hgb. should show the White Hall Hotel. Can anybody tell me its address? Was it on lower market near the farmers market? Thank you very much, Fred

I have them in one of my lines - can I help you with any info Evelyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [PADAUPHI] ZIMMERMAN in Matamoras > I am also looking for Zimmerman's. Annie May , my Grandmother who married Sammuel J. Hoover, been looking for a long time. Do you have anything on her? > Thankyou > Joan (Hoover) Collins > > Joanne Garner wrote: > > > Does anyone know anything about the Daniel and Margaret Hockenberry Zimmerman family with children James--Newton--Scott--Hazel--Frances--Sue--Minerva and Harry about 1900 ? > > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > > KISS- Keep It Short & Simple > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > http://www.rootsweb.com > > >

Halifax Township. Marcia Fronk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne Garner" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 4:24 PM Subject: [PADAUPHI] MATAMORAS Dauphin Co. > Would someone be able to tell me the township for Matamoras in Dauphin Co. so I can locate it in the census. Joanne > > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > Post only genealogy related topics > >

I am also looking for Zimmerman's. Annie May , my Grandmother who married Sammuel J. Hoover, been looking for a long time. Do you have anything on her? Thankyou Joan (Hoover) Collins Joanne Garner wrote: > Does anyone know anything about the Daniel and Margaret Hockenberry Zimmerman family with children James--Newton--Scott--Hazel--Frances--Sue--Minerva and Harry about 1900 ? > > ==== PADAUPHI Mailing List ==== > KISS- Keep It Short & Simple

Does anyone know anything about the Daniel and Margaret Hockenberry Zimmerman family with children James--Newton--Scott--Hazel--Frances--Sue--Minerva and Harry about 1900 ?