Lorena S. Eaker in 1999 posted on Genealogy.com the following: To find your Kinder origins see the book "German Speaking People West of The Catawba River In NC 1750-1800" which can be found in most major Library collections across US and in most Libraries in SE MO. If not in your locality Email for more information to: sckpub@eudoramail.com ....The name was originally spelled Gunder/Gunther in German. This book also has information on Linebergers, Kastners/Costners, Crites, Snider and other surnames with which the family intermarried. Kastner information from Europe into PA & NC. The father of the Kinder Clan was Conrad b.ca1735 and married Maria Ursula Kastner 22 Aug 1758, York Co., PA, dau of George Adam and Anna Maria Kraus Kastner of Edenkoben, Germany We have Kinder, Conrad State : PA County : York Co. Location : Manchester Twp Year : 1810 Page # : 162 2 1 00 1 //0 0 1 3 1 the male 16-18 block is not included I suppose this is the Conrad Lorena mentioned - I have Elizabeth Kinder marrying George Meder(later Mater)in the Lutheran Church of Carlisle, Cumberland County. There doesn't seem to be room for her in this 1810 census - but I ask: Did Conrad have a daughter named Elizabeth born 1795 or 1796? regards Hal