This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ThomasCArnold Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/5525.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Marsha, Have you tried his marriage certificate. Also, the marriage certificate for his children may have the maiden name of their mother, Elizabeth. The following is to link the info together for easy access. http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=5494&p=localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/print.cgi?schweitzer::508.html http://www.nytimes.com/1989/11/19/style/deni-elliott-marries-james-peter-cramer.html?pagewanted=1 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.