This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bakerhen Surnames: Cramer Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/5494.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm not sure if this is the right family or not. I have this information as well, however, I don't even know if this is correct, I don't know if it's MY John Cramer. The only information that I have been given for him is that either one or both of his parents were born in Germany, I have no first names for either one of them and no surname for his mother. When I was initially given the information I didn't even have a middle initial or middle name for him. I've since discovered that it is Wesley. I have tried searching the 1870 census,but I haven't had much luck with this census. I'm limited as to what I can search as I have no subsciption to ancestry. I'm here as a guest. I didn't try the 1860 because John was born in 1861 and I'm trying to find out what his father's name was. Thank you for your response. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.