Hi, Bob: You're quite welcome. I wondered if Daniel and Alice's child, Bella M., was named for Bellmina. According to the 1900 census material, Daniel & Alice married about 1886. They would have needed to complete a marriage license application, which probably would have included the names of their parents. Any idea where they married? Good luck with your search! Debra On Oct 9, 2009, at 4:31 PM, RMeany@aol.com wrote: > Thank you, Debra. > > That 1870 Census showing Daniel as a 7 year old is the one I'm > trying to > confirm by locating Daniels obituary (22 Aug 1956). It could > mention him > being predeceased by his parents and/or siblings that I can match > to that > 1870 record, thereby confirming that Daniel as mine. > > I did not have those BOWMAN records, thanks ... with so many > Bowmans in > Cumberland and Dauphin Counties, I thought it better to locate her > obit first, > also. > > Bob > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACUMBER- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Debra. That 1870 Census showing Daniel as a 7 year old is the one I'm trying to confirm by locating Daniels obituary (22 Aug 1956). It could mention him being predeceased by his parents and/or siblings that I can match to that 1870 record, thereby confirming that Daniel as mine. I did not have those BOWMAN records, thanks ... with so many Bowmans in Cumberland and Dauphin Counties, I thought it better to locate her obit first, also. Bob

Hi, Bob: According to Heritage Quest Online's index for the 1880 census, there were 2 Alice Bowman listings in Cumberland County, PA. They were both shown in Upper Allen Twp. The one is shown as a 22-year-old servant in the household of Abm. Rupp and family. The other is: Series: T9 Roll: 1121 Page: 74 1880 - Upper Allen Twp., Cumberland Co., PA - 6/9/1880 Bowman, Jacob - w - m - 65 - head - married - farmer --- Elizabeth - w - f - 58- wife - married - keeping house --- Alice - w - f - 23 - dau. - single - at home --- Clara - w - f - 19 - dau. - single - at home --- Raymond - w - m - 12 - son - single - works on farm PA/PA/PA for all. If this is the right family, here they are again in 1870: Series: M593 Roll: 1333 Page: 536a & b 1870 - Shiremanstown P.O., Upper Allen Twp., Cumberland Co., PA - 8/1/1870 Bowman, Jacob - 55 - m - w - farmer - $9,550/1,640 --- Elizabeth - 47 - f - w - keeping house --- Sarah I. - 17 - f - w - at home --- Laura - 15 - f - w - at home - attended school within the year --- Alice E. - 13 - f - w - at home - attended school within the year --- Carrie E. - 10 - f - w - at home -attended school within the year --- William P. - 7 - m - w - attended school within the year --- Rayman - 3 - m - w Cocklin, George - 14 - m - w - labourer - attended school within the year PA for all. This might be your Daniel Crowl with his parents and siblings: Series: M593 Roll: 1469 Page: 97 1870 - Siddonsburg P.O., Monaghan Twp., York Co., PA - 7/15/1870 Crowl, William - 59 - m - w - farmer - $4,000/300 --- Belmina - 50 - f - w - keeping house --- John - 20 - m - w - farm laborer --- Joseph - 14 - m - w - farm laborer - attended school within year --- Daniel - 7 - m - w - farm laborer - attended school within year PA for all. Series: T9 Roll: 1205 Page: 211 1880 - Monaghan, York Co., PA - 6/14/1880 Crowl, William - w - m - 70 - head - married - retired farmer --- Bellmina - w - f - 60 - wife - married - keeping house - cannot read/cannot write --- John - w - m - 29 - son - single - farmer --- Daniel - w - m - 17 - son - single - works on the farm - attended school within year PA/PA/PA for all. Here's your Daniel & Alice: Series: T623 Roll: 1401 Page: 240 1900 - Upper Allen Twp., Cumberland Co., PA - 6/20/1900 Crowl, Daniel - head - w - m - 9/1861 - 38 - married 14 yrs. - lime burner - rent/free/house --- Alice - wife - w - f - 10/1860 - 39 - married 14 yrs. - 7 children/6 living --- Bella M. - dau. - w - f - 10/1887 - 12 - single --- Ester R. - dau. - w - f - 5/1892 - 8 - single --- Gertrude - dau. - w - f - 5/1894 - single --- Leeroy - son - w - m - 8/1898 - 1 - single PA/PA/PA for all. Series: T624 Roll: 1335 Page: 263 1910 - Upper Allen Twp., Cumberland Co., PA - 5/2/1910 Mohler, Clyde E. - head - m - w - 26 - 1st marriage/1 yr. - butcher/ own shop - rent/house --- Mary C. - wife - f - w - 23 - 1st marriage/1 yr. - 1 child/1 living --- Gean M. - dau. - f - w - 10 mos. - single Crowl, Roy - hired boy - m - w - 11 - single - laborer/odd jobs PA/PA/PA for all. next household on page: Crowl, Daniel - head- m - w - 48 - 1st marriage/24 yrs. - laborer/ stone quarry - own/mortgage/house --- Alice - wife - f -w - 48 - 1st marriage/24 yrs. - 8 children/6 living --- Samuel - son - m - w - 20 - single - laborer/railroad --- Gertrude M. - dau. - f - w - 16 - single - packer/noodle factory Hollinger, Esther R. - dau. - f - w - 18 - 1st marriage/0 yrs. - 1 child/1 living --- John A. - son-in-law - m - w - 23 - 1st marriage/0 yrs. - laborer/tin mill --- Maude E. - granddau. - f - w - 0 mos. - single PA/PA/PA for all. Series: T625 Roll: 1557 Page: 264 1920 - Upper Allen, Cumberland Co., PA - 1/7/1920 Hollinger, John - head - rent - m - w - 35 - married - laborer/tin factory --- Esther R. - wife - f - w - 27 - married --- Minnie - dau. - f - w - 9 - single --- Raymond - son - m - w - 7 - single --- Ruth - dau. - f - w - -4 - single --- Howard - son - m - w - 1 yr., 6 mos. - single Crowl, Daniel - father-in-law - m - w - 54 - widowed - laborer/tin factory PA/PA/PA for all. Hope there's something useful here. Good luck with your search! Debra On Oct 7, 2009, at 12:38 PM, RMeany@aol.com wrote: > My wife's great grandparents, Daniel CROWL (1860-1956) and Alice > (BOWMAN) > CROWL (1860-1918) are buried in Mechanicsburg Cemetery. Their > headstones > only provided the year of death for each, but I was able to find > out their > exact dates of death by a phone call to the cemetery. > > Alice died 17 December 1918, and Daniel died 22 August 1956. > > I know they were living in Upper Allen Township at the time of Alice's > death in 1918 and Daniel was still living their as of the 1930 > Census. Can > anyone tell me what newspaper would likely have carried their > obits? How > would I go about searching it ... inter-library loan? ... or would > a library or > genealogical society do lookups? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am hoping the obits will > shed > some light on just who their parents were. > > Bob Meany > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACUMBER- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: @@ywatkin@cox.net Surnames: Patterson/Weir Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/3012.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, I just by chance saw your message, I don't remember getting a notification someone had replied to my post. You ask about George Weir and daughter Sarah Ann. Have you ever exchanged info with Sandra or Alisa Weir? If you email me directly give you their email addresses. Do you know who Elizabeth Patterson's parents were? Yvonne Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

My wife's great grandparents, Daniel CROWL (1860-1956) and Alice (BOWMAN) CROWL (1860-1918) are buried in Mechanicsburg Cemetery. Their headstones only provided the year of death for each, but I was able to find out their exact dates of death by a phone call to the cemetery. Alice died 17 December 1918, and Daniel died 22 August 1956. I know they were living in Upper Allen Township at the time of Alice's death in 1918 and Daniel was still living their as of the 1930 Census. Can anyone tell me what newspaper would likely have carried their obits? How would I go about searching it ... inter-library loan? ... or would a library or genealogical society do lookups? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am hoping the obits will shed some light on just who their parents were. Bob Meany

Listers: ? ? I recently?saw a listing for?a dentist, a Dr. Frank D.?GEER, whose practice was located in Johnstown, PA, c. 1902.? This was from the Western PA Genealogical Society's? Fall quarterly, 2009.? The article is a list of Penn dentists in 1902.? It states his practice was in the Suppes Bldg and he graduated from the PA. Col. Dental Surg., 1899.? ? ? I have a 2x greatgrandmother, Mary GEER, b. abt. 1810, Cumberland, PA who married James CARSON, b. 1800 Carlisle, PA on the 18th of Dec 1828, at the Trinity Episcopal Cathedral, Pittsburgh, PA.? This couple's first two children, daus. Ellen B.?and Ann Virginia were born in Butler Co., PA, 1831 and 1837.? The family later lived in Old Allegheny/Allegheny City, as per Harris city directories and censuses.? This couple's d.o.d.'s were James 1875 and Mary 1885 and they are buried in the Allegheny Cemetery, Allegheny Co., PA. ? ? My question is could my Mary nee Geer Carson be an ancestor of the Dr. Geer, dentist, c. 1902?? I have no further data regarding Mary's parents or siblings.? ? If anyone is researching the Geer surname or has any further information and is willing to share, I would be most interested to hear from you. ? ?Thank you. ? Marybeth acmbjc@aol.com ?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LeePierre Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/840.937.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I, too, am a descendant of John Shirey, born 24 Nov 1773 in Franklin Co., PA. His fifth child was Augustus (not Augusta as many claim), born ~1817 in Greencastle, Franklin Co., PA. His first born was Charles, born ~1838 in Greencastle, died in 1864 in the Civil War. He married Rebecca Braham on 1 Dec 1861. They had a son, Elmer C. Shirey, born 15 July 1862 in Jefferson Co., PA (?). What I have been able to piece together is that after Charles' death, Rebecca quickly remarried a Mr. Rupley, who was also killed in the Civil War! Rebecca Rupley can be found in the 1880 US Census living with her first in-laws, Augustus and Maria Shirey then living in GreenCastle, Franklin Co., PA. Her son, Elmer C. Shirey is found in the 1870 US Census living with Rebecca's parents! However, the transcriber lists him as Elmer Skerry, but when you look at the actual page, you can see that the enumerator spelled it correctly as Elmer Shirey! In 1880 he is listed independently as a student. I am still waiting to receive a copy of the Civil War widowers and orphans documents that will prove my "theory." Unfortunately, most Shirey researchers list my great grandfather ! (Elmer C.) as a child of Alexander Shirey who had a son named Elmer G. Shirey very close to the same birth date for Elmer C....but Elmer G. died young and is NOT the same as Elmer C.!! I don't even know if you are still active on this site...I hope you are and that I get a reply from you! I am very interested in knowing more about John and his family. Are they from Switzerland or Germany? Was his father a Shirey or a Scheurer or a Scheurar??? Did John have more than one wife (as some suggest?) other than Anna Maria Ruthrauff? I look forward to your reply. Blessings, Lee-Pierre Shirey son of Jacob Lee Shirey, son of Howard Lee Shirey, son of Elmer C. Shirey! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JeanieW79 Surnames: Anderson, Carothers, Dunbar, Kenny, Black, Chambers, Crocket, Forbes, Greason, Henderson, Kinkeads, Laird, Parker, McAllister, McCullochs, McFarlane, McKeehan, McKnight, Sanderson, Thomson, Weakley, Young Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/5482/mb.ashx Message Board Post: News article written in the Carlisle, PA Sentinel newspaper, 4 Oct. 2009. http://www.cumberlink.com/articles/2009/10/04/community/tour_through_time/doc4ac6c1c7a2448323588474.txt Many Revolutionary War Vets, and Civil War vets buried here. The church has meticulously restored many tombstones and restored the cemetery from old records from the Cumberland County Historical society. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: drbrownlee Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/3427.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Amos B. Sharretts is pictured as a flight cadet in the 1942-K yearbook of Bruce Field in Ballinger, Texas. I'm not kin but thought this might help another researcher. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello Listers. I am trying to locate an obituary for my wife's great grandfather, Daniel CROWL and his wife, Alice. Here is what I know about them: 1. He was born in September 1861and married Alice BOWMAN in 1886. She was born in October 1860. 2. They are enumerated in the 1900 Census, living in Upper Allen Twp with their children: Bella M., Esther R., Gertrude, and Leroy. 3. The 1910 finds Daniel and Alice still in Upper Allen Twp., with children: Samuel, Gertrude M., and Esther with her husband, John Hollinger and their daughter, Maude E. Hollinger. 4. According to her headstone in the Mechanicsburg Cemetery, Alice (Bowman) CROWL died in 1918. 5. In the 1920 Census, Daniel CROWL is living in Upper Allen Twp. with daughter Esther Hollinger and her family. 6. In the 1930 Census, Daniel is found still living in Upper Allen Twp., but with his son Roy L. CROWL and his family. 7. According to his headstone in the Mechanicsburg Cemetery, he died in 1956. I feel that the obituaries would be valuable in ascertaining their parents names. I suspect that Daniel is the son of William H. CROWL whom I find in the 1880 Census in Monaghan Twp in York Co., PA. There are too many Bowmans to be certain I've found my Alice in the 1880 Census ... there are a few possibilities, though and parents names would pinpoint her. With only the years of their deaths, how can I find obituaries for Daniel in 1956, and Alice in 1918. Does Pennsylvania have a searchable death index? As I'm writing this, the thought occurs to me that the cemetry might have interment dates for Daniel and Alice which would narrow it down quite a bit. I will call them ... any other suggestions? Are there any genealogical societies that will do obituary searches? Thanks for your help. Bob

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: vidlock Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/3012.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi I realize this query is old. I recently tracked my lineage back to a Elizabeth Patterson b 1788? and George Weir b 1759 married Cumberland Co PA in 1806. Dtr Sarah Ann Weir b 1815 I know the later relatives had traveled through KY and I was wondering if you came across any of these names in your searching. Thanks! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DeanStermer Surnames: Hildebrand, Bowman Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/1397.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have been researching info on Philip Hildebrand. All I know is that Philip married "Catherine Elizabeth" (no last name) and this couple had a daughter named Barbara born 1806, died 1892. Barbara married Daniel Lewis Bowman, and they had 7 children. Do you have any information for Philip or Barbara Hildebrand that fits this description? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kevinreynolds136 Surnames: Krugh, Reynolds, France , Eau Claire, Michigan, New York, Brown, Simmons, Carpenter, Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/630.439.449.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hoping for look up on the marriage of Elizabeth Krugh b 1904 Eau Claire, Michigan d/o Corwin & Viola (Brown) Krugh & Edward L Reynolds b France/New York State parents unk Their first child was born in 1925 so the time frame would be 1923??-1925 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 109th Surnames: Ditlow, Evans Classification: lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/2280.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Google has scanned in a document from US District Court, Southern District of New York titled "The American Bell Telephone Co. and others vs The Peoples Telephone Co. and others." It is "Defendants Sur-rebutting Testimony", Harrisburg PA, starting Oct 23, 1883. It directly confirms that my Great-Grandfather Joseph Ditlow had brothers George and David. It gives a pretty good picture of life in the area Southeast of Harrisburg in the 1870's and 80's. I would like to hear from any descendants of Abraham, George or David Ditlow. I have info to share about Ditlow and Evans families. wa8eow@arrl.net Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: KimDavis903 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/5478.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You may be interested in a posting/research done by Sam D. Lawson at http://fulton.pa-roots.com/davis/Davis.htm He provided information and sources about this particular subject that involved the Indian attacks at the James' residence. Hope this helps! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: victorpm1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/3559.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for the information. I am only about 2 hours from Cumberland County and will plan to visit the historical library next time i'm out that way. Thanks again. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: stevemullin_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/3559.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello there I looked back in my records and Alexander Mullen had 13 children from his first wife and 4 children from his second wife. He did have a son Alexander born 8/3/1822 which could have been the father of your Alexander born in 1848/9. Alexander did live in the Cumberland country area and there is a historical library in the county that has information on Alexander's family when they lived in the area during that time. If your close to the area you could get copies of the file to see if it matches your information. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: APCAMPLESE Surnames: Mundorf Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/524.2129.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I just found this very old post from you. Have we corresponded in the past? Samuel Mundorf and Lucinda Fahs were my my ggg-grandparents. James Emanuel Mundorf and Susan E. Ziegler were my gg-grandparents. Their son, K. Emanuel Mundorf, was my great-grandfather. I knew William Armit Mundorf and his wife, Alice, when I was a child. Would be interested in hearing from you. Anita Camplese Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Thank you for the site with the book. I also found it on a CD on ebay. Looked over the names in the index - my line is not there. Thank you again, Janet

unfortunately, the bios part of the book was not transcribed. If you have a library card which has access to Heritage Quest, the book in online there. Joe On Sep 19, 2009, at 11:41 AM, rkreklow@mindspring.com wrote: > Hello................ > > If that is the 1887 version of the book, it can be found online at: > > http://usgwarchives.net/pa/franklin/wbeerstoc.htm > > More and more books are being digitized and placed online which is > great. The only problem is finding them. > > Cheers, > > Rebel Kreklow