This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: delval97 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/3459.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Allen, I have photos taken non-digitally several years ago of the Barbour and Varner graves. I can make copies and send to you if you want them. Contact me at larrycolbert@msn.com Larry Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello Fellow Listers: I've been trying to help my friend and distant relative do his family tree and just realized (with all of the postings about the BARBOUR clan on the lists) that his mother's name was Betty BARBOUR. Betty was to be married to Thurston Edward CLINE (b.16-Sep-1915 d.Aug-1968 bd.Bendersville Cemetery, Adams Co., PA.). Is anyone familiar with this Betty BARBOUR?????? Donna Heller Zinn of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: sararupnik Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/478.110.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: How nice to hear from you, Marcia! Here's what I have: Michael Moore came form Cork, Ireland and served in the War for Independence as a private in Col. Stephen Moylan's Cavalry , Continental Line. (Recorded July 4, 1781). After the war, it is believed he lived with his family on a seventy-five acre farm in Fermanagh Township, Cumberland County, PA (now Juniata County) until his death in 1785.Deborah was widowed at age thirty-fve upon the death of Michael, who was forty-three. They had been married eight years and had Joseph, 4, and Garret, 6 . Deborah then married John Davis in 1791, and they settled in Clinton Twp., Butler Co. Joseph Moore was born 6 Mar 1781 and died 24 Aug 1829. He married Rebecca Watson (her brother, James, married Mary Davis, daughter of Deborah and John Davis!)on 16 Aug 1803. Garret Moore was born in 1779 and died in 1861. He moved with his wife Sarah from Deer Creek Township, Allegheny County, to the farm previously owned by his mother and step-father, Deborah and John Davis, in south Clinton Township, Butler County. John R Moore, their only son, died on the farm in 1866. Garret and Sara are buried in Westminster Presbyterian Church Cemetery in Clinton Twp. Joespeh and Garret both served in the War of 1812. Please email for more discussion on Deborah's ancestry. I think she might be Irish, rather than German. Do you know? I'd be happy with whatever you can send me. Sara sararupnik@hotmail.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dkohlerx2_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/3459.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Just found this on findagrave.com, so this shows a connection to the Shannon family: Edward M Barbour Birth: 1863 Death: 1952 Excerpt from obituary in News Comet (East Berlin, PA) of January 18, 1952: Edward M. Barbour, 83, died at home of niece Alice Shannon whom he was visiting in Newville, after being ill for a week. Born July 7, 1863, in Mt Holly Springs to the late John and Elizabeth Peters Barbour. Survived by daughter Mrs C Blanche Varner and brother William Barbour. Rev. Charles H Davis officiated with burial in Mt Holly Cemetery. Burial: Mount Holly Springs Cemetery Mount Holly Springs Cumberland County Pennsylvania, USA Plot: row 2 N There are quite a few Barbours shown as buried at Mt. Holly Springs Cemetery. Because of the above info showing Edward's mother's name as Elizabeth, I checked the 1860 census and found: Series: M653 Roll: 1102 Page: 818 1860 - Carlisle P.O., S. Middleton Twp., Cumberland Co., PA - 7/11/1860 Barber, John C. - 27 - farm laborer - $400/150 -- Elizabeth - 26 -- Mary - 6 -- Anna - 3 -- Margaret - 1 -- William - 84 - cooper PA for all. Since Edward's mother shows up in the 1880 as Ann E., I suspect that this Elizabeth is the same person as Anna (1870) and Ann E. (1880). Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dkohlerx2_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/3459.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Allen: You're welcome. We don't know if Annie claimed 2 children in 1900, the enumerator could have assumed that the girls were hers. We don't know if the Annies of 1900, 1910, & 1920 were all the same person. In 1900, they were shown as married 3 yrs.; in 1920, the couple was shown as married 10 yrs. Edward's age was consistent (37/46/56), but Annie's age wasn't consistent (30/46/49). I rechecked the 1910 to see if I misread her age, it clearly says 46, I was hoping it said 40... The children issue wasn't consistent and Annie and her parents' birthplaces showed a slight variation in 1920 (PA/PA/PA vs. PA/Germany/PA). So, it may have been one Annie, or he may have married more than one Annie. Unfortunately, for the 1910, I couldn't read which number marriage this was for Edward. Annie's clearly said "1", but Edward's had a mark that I couldn't decipher. That might have helped. I have access to Heritage Quest Online through my public library system. I can access the info from my home using my library card number. I don't understand what your question is regarding FamilySearch. Debra Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jpatter65 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/3459.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: in the USGenWeb archives for Cumberland in the Mt. Holly Cem, Barbour, Edward M., 1863-1952, Row 2N wife, Emma M. Shannon, 1865-1894 wife, Anna Behrings, 1870-1924 wife, A. Hazel, 1887-1903 Barbour, Emma M. Shannon, 1865-1894, wife of Edward M., Row 2S It appears the A Hazel was a daughter from your posts. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AllenFrantz Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/3459.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: ARGGGHH. I thought I had this figured out... Was Emma a wife? What evidence did Larry see that said so? Hmmm. Annie claims 2 children/2 living in 1900. then 0/0 in 1910. OK, so Anna was wife in 1900, '10 and '20. She died in '24. Ed's 'Widowed' in 1930. Other marriage data from census seems to be flawed. I do appreciate the find on the various spellings. I'm learning. Thanks. I've looked at the Heritage Quest site. may I ask how is it that you have/get access? And what's the story on FamilySearch? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AllenFrantz Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/3459.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: ARGGGHH. I thought I had this figured out... Was Emma a wife? What evidence did Larry see that said so? Hmmm. Annie claims 2 children/2 living in 1900. then 0/0 in 1910. OK, so Anna was wife in 1900, '10 and '20. She died in '24. Ed's 'Widowed' in 1930. Other marriage data from census seems to be flawed. I do appreciate the find on the various spellings. I'm learning. Thanks. I've looked at the Heritage Quest site. may I ask how is it that you have/get access? And what's the story on FamilySearch? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AllenFrantz Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/3459.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sorry, no info on Ed's parents. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AllenFrantz Surnames: Barbour, Behrens [Behrings], Shannon, Varner Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/3459.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes, Hazel was a daughter, and yes, it was a great help! Thank You! However, now you've presented me with a problem. Who was the mother of the daughters, Emma or Anna? My guess is that Emma was Ed's first wife and they had Blanche and Hazel. But Emma was only 29 when she died and the girls 7 and 10. Ed then found a wife, Anna - 8 yrs his senior - to help raise his girls. I guess the next place to knock is the ???? Church or cemetery records. Perhaps a local paper would have reported on weddings, births, deaths and obits. Would that be only the Carlisle paper? I have been spoiled by HAHS library's indexed extracts of the Hummelstown Sun from it's beginning to 1955. A lot of dedicated work by a few great ladies. Another interesting item, I worked with a Varner (Blanche's husband's surname) from that Mt Holly area on the RR. I'll be making a call tomorrow. My life is an unending tale of serendipities of "It's a Small World." Larry, are your records photo or text? I collect tombstone photos if you have them. Thanks again. - Allen Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dkohlerx2_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/3459.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Series: T623 Roll: 1400 Page: 24 1900 - N. Bedford St., Carlisle Boro., Cumberland Co., PA - 6/6/1900 Barber, Edward - head - 6/1862 - 37 - married 3 yrs. - day laborer - rent/house -- Annie - wife - 5/1870 - 30 - married 3 yrs. - 2 children/2 living -- Blanch - dau. - 3/1884 - 16 - turner/shoe factory -- Hazel - dau. - 1/1887 - 13 - at school PA/PA/PA for all. Series: T624 Roll: 1335 Page: 28 1910 - 335 N. East St., 1-WD Carlisle 2-PCT, Cumberland Co., PA - 4/22 & 25/1910 Babar, Edward - head - 46 - ... marriage/10 yrs. - labor/R.R. - rent/house -- Annie - wife - 46 - 1st marriage/10 yrs. - 0 children/0 living Stout, Mary - boader - 67 - widowed - 8 children/6 living PA/PA/PA for all. Series: T625 Roll: 1556 Page: 42a & b 1920 - 127 E. Penn St., 1-WD Carlisle, Cumberland Co., PA - 1/10/1920 Barbour, Edward M. - head - rent - 56 - PA/PA/PA - laborer/frig works -- Annie - wife - 49 - PA/Germany/PA Hope this is helpful. Debra Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dkohlerx2_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/3459.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Larry, Is this the right Edward M. Barbour? Series: M593 Roll: 1333 Page: 487 1870 - Boiling Springs P.O., S. Middleton, Cumberland Co., PA - 7/13/1870 Barber, John - 37 - laborer -- Anna - 36 -- Mary - 16 -- Anna - 13 -- Margaret - 10 -- Edward - 6 -- William - 4 PA for all. Series: T9 Roll: 1122 Page: 287 1880 - Mt. Holly Springs, Cumberland Co., PA - 6/4/1880 Barber, Ann E. - 50 - head - widowed - keeping house -- Mary F. - 26 - dau. - married - keeping house -- Annie V. - 23 - dau. - single - works in paper mill -- Alice M. - 21 - dau. - single - works in paper mill -- Edward M. - 17 - son - single - laborer -- William F. - 15 - son - single - laborer -- Cambridge P. - 5 - son - at home PA/PA/PA for all. Good luck with your search! Debra Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: delval97 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/3459.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Allen, I am trying to connect Edward M. Barbour to my Barbour family. My ancestor is Jeremiah (Jerry) Barbour 1849-1927, whose wife was Catherine Bailey 1867-1928. Do you know who Edward's parents were, or any of his siblings? Jerry and Catherine and some of their family members are buried in Mt Holly Springs Cemetery, also. I note that Hazel was a sister to Blanche. Larry Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: delval97 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/3459.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Allen, Yes, I did find a tombstone for an Edward M. Barbour, 1863-1952, and his wives, Emma M. Shannon, 1865-1894, Anna M. Behrings, 1870-1924, also listed was A. Hazel, 1887-1903. Would A. Hazel be a daughter? The stone is fairly weathered and a bit difficult to read, but I think I got the names and dates right. Hope this helps you. Larry Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I am looking for William POWEL(L) who showed up as owner of fifty acres in Dickinson Township, Washington County, 1787. Next door to William lived Widow POWELL. As added information: Isaac POWELL, another William POWELL, John POWELL and Joseph POWELL showed up on the Dickinson tax lists between 1787 and 1789. Anybody researching the POWEL(L) families of Cumberland who could possibly provide a clue/source/information? There is no land record for William POWELL in Westmoreland County. TIA Rick Powell

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AllenFrantz Surnames: Barbour, Behrens, Varner Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/3459.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Larry, that helps confirm Blanche and Laura. Did you have any tombstones for Blanche's dad, Edward M Barbour, b. 6/1862, or Blanche's son, Edward B Varner? Also looking for Anna Mae nee Behrens 5/1870, EMB's wife who died before 1920. Hazel was a sister to Blanche. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: delval97 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/3459.2.1.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Several years ago, we took a drive out to Mt. Holly Springs, Cumberland Co., PA, and visited the Mount Holly Springs Cemetery. While checking out the grave sites of Barbour, Grimes and Bailey's, who were my ancestors, there was a gravestone for Varner, C. Blanche March 31, 1884/June 9, 1963 and Laura H., January 18, 1905/April 8, 1997. Larry Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dkohlerx2_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/3459.2.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Allen: You're quite welcome. Regarding Laura: Since I only found Edward in 1920, I was wondering if the 1st time they show up together was in the 1930. And, considering their ages, if they were shown as single or married. Unfortunately, Heritage Quest Online does not have the 1930 census indexed, and there's a few wards to Carlisle in 1930, so I did not have easy access to that particular information. But, I just did a search for Blanche in 1920 and found her with Laura: Series: T625 Roll: 1556 Page: 21 1920 - 1-WD Carlisle, Cumberland Co., PA - 1/5/1920 Varner*, Blanche - head - rent - f - w - 35 - married - beader/shoe factory -- Laura - dau. - f - w - 15 - single - none PA/PA/PA for both. *indexed as Varne, looks like Varner to me. Good luck with your search! Debra Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AllenFrantz Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.cumberland/3459.2.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Too busy to sit down here, but didn't want to delay the "THANK YOU!" any longer. Your two replies to my posts were very helpful. I'm missing the comment about Laura, though. I don't understand. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello Fellow Listers: Just came across the following obituary from my aunt Romayne TONER HELLER's collection and thought someone on this list might be interested. This obituary would have probably came out of an Adams County, PA. newspaper as that is where most of the locations that are listed in the obituary are located. Donna Heller Zinn of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA. *************************** July 20, 1965 Mrs. Harold F. Clouse Mrs. Viola A. Clouse, 56, Gardners R. 2, wife of Harold F. Clouse, died suddenly at 11:15 o'clock Tuesday night at her home in S. Middleton Twp., Cumberland County. She was a former resident of the Idaville section but had moved to Cumberland County about a year and a half ago. She was a native of Juniata County and was a daughter of late Jacob and Barbara (Brown) Dietz. She was a member of Cline's Church. Surviving in addition to her husband are two sons, Dean, of Mt. Holly Springs, and Harold E., at home; two daughters, Mrs. Elmer Rickrode, Gardners R. 2, and Mrs. Betty Sanno, Newville; three foster children; three brothers, John Dietz, Millerstown R.D.; Cloyd, Richfield, Pa., and Lawrence, Liverpool, and a sister Mrs. Ezra Minium, Millerstown R.D.. There are seven grandchildren. Funeral services will be held Saturday afternoon at 2 o'clock at the Pittenturf Furneral Home at York Springs. The Rev. Gerald Roberts will officiate. Interment will be made in the Mt. Victory Cemtery. Friends may call at the funeral home Friday evening from 7 to 9 o'clock.