This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/575.576.641.698.106.1.2 Message Board Post: Cheryl, Thanks for the information on Swartz. This will give me something to work on the next time I'm in Pa. Do you know anything of the Palmer family? Mary Palmer married George Palmer, son of Jacob Boyer and Anna (Nancy) Swartz. I note you are in the Boyer family. Do you have info on Jacob Boyer's parents, grandparents, etc? >From a family source I show Jacob's father as Fredrick, however I believe his father was Philip. Thanks again. Tom Withers

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Boyer/Eckert Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/575.576.641.698.106.1.1 Message Board Post: Do you have any info on a Deed for the Boyer Farm in Cumberland/Perry Co. that involved Eckert?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: engle/garman Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/2907 Message Board Post: i am searching for this needle, in a haystack..... Henry Engle born somewhere around 1812-22 in PA. married Elizabeth Garman in PA> Had two sons PA. Moved to clark county, had a son, John, OHIO> Moved to darke county, on 1850 census. Moved to INDIANA, Adams County, blue creek township, 1960 census. Both of Henry's parents are born in PA also. So this puts their birth at or before the 1800's in PA> Yes, that is correct...... somewhere in PA, amongst the trillion engles, with all the same names. there is a henry... and there is an elizabeth I cannot find them on an 1840 PA census, however that search is incomplete at the usgenweb project. And that census only names heads of households. There are quite a few Henry Engles out there you know...lol I looked for henry at some of the online engle sites but cannot find my henry yet. he was a farmer, this i know. so he must have come from a farm in PA, i am guessing. He and his sons were very good at horticulture and quite the woodsmen as well. apparently they drove cattle from indiana to michigan. however my sister said that that was a bunch of bull, that my grandmother said it was "A COW" LOL. My link to him is through his son George W. Engle. who moved to Petoskey, Northern Michigan, in 1891. He had Charles, Charles had Clarence and Clarence had Jake,my father. does anyone have anything that resembles this ???? henry or elizabeth??? engle/garman please let me know if you do. thanks judi engle

I don't know the answer to this. I'm sorry. The one who may have been able to answer it died quite a while ago and I don't know what happened to his research. Cheryl > Might Anna and/or Leonard SWARTZ be related to Margaret E. SWARTZ who > married Isaac KOONS c1790? Do you have any dates for your SWARTZes? > Thanks. > > Kathy in Indiana > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <twither1@tampabay.rr.com> > To: <PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:58 PM > Subject: [PACUMBER] Re: BOYER,SWARTZ > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > > Classification: Query > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/575.576.641.698.106 > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > Cheryl, > > I recently came across info you provided another person regarding Jacob > Boyer and Anna (Nancy) Swartz. I am descended from Jacob Boyer through son > George, then James Fredrick, then Philip George, then Ethel Boyer Withers. > > > > You indicated Anna (Nancy) as child of Leonard Swartz and Elizabeth Boyer > and said you have additional info on Swartz. Can you tell me who Leonard's > parents were and where they lived, or came from? > > > > Thanks > > > > Tom Withers > > > > > > ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > > Visit Cumberland County USGenweb and get the latest updates! > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacumber/ > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > Visit Cumberland County USGenweb and get the latest updates! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacumber/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Might Anna and/or Leonard SWARTZ be related to Margaret E. SWARTZ who married Isaac KOONS c1790? Do you have any dates for your SWARTZes? Thanks. Kathy in Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: <twither1@tampabay.rr.com> To: <PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: [PACUMBER] Re: BOYER,SWARTZ > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/575.576.641.698.106 > > Message Board Post: > > Cheryl, > I recently came across info you provided another person regarding Jacob Boyer and Anna (Nancy) Swartz. I am descended from Jacob Boyer through son George, then James Fredrick, then Philip George, then Ethel Boyer Withers. > > You indicated Anna (Nancy) as child of Leonard Swartz and Elizabeth Boyer and said you have additional info on Swartz. Can you tell me who Leonard's parents were and where they lived, or came from? > > Thanks > > Tom Withers > > > ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > Visit Cumberland County USGenweb and get the latest updates! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacumber/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/575.576.641.698.106.1 Message Board Post: This goes back a long time in research for me! I would have to dig to find my paper notes. Here's what I have recorded on my computer, but the bad part is that I don't have my documentation written down. I remember that this came from a Swartz family researcher in the early 70's, and we did lots of correspondence with various Pennsylvania county court houses. He had lots more information and only shared data on my line with me. Maybe it will be enough to get you going more. Nicholas Swartz b bt 1715-1720 in Bavaria, Germany Sons: Jacob Swartz b bt 1755-1765 Cumberland, PA Leonard Swartz, b 1758 Cumberland, PA Leonard (1758 - 1806--Mannsville, PA) m Elizabeth Boyer (various spellings), dau of Johann Heinrich Beyer (b 28 Dec 1729 d Dec 1798 PA) AND Elizabeth ? Children: Leonard--b 1798 George b c 1800 Anna (called Nancy) b 10 Mar 1802 Jacob b c 1804 Catharine b c 1806 Hope this helps. Cheryl

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/575.576.641.698.106 Message Board Post: Cheryl, I recently came across info you provided another person regarding Jacob Boyer and Anna (Nancy) Swartz. I am descended from Jacob Boyer through son George, then James Fredrick, then Philip George, then Ethel Boyer Withers. You indicated Anna (Nancy) as child of Leonard Swartz and Elizabeth Boyer and said you have additional info on Swartz. Can you tell me who Leonard's parents were and where they lived, or came from? Thanks Tom Withers

Thanks, I hassuspected that was the situation. Ame ----- Original Message ----- From: <Annieb201@comcast.net> To: <PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [PACUMBER] Poplar Church Cemetery > Poplar Church Cemetery is very old, ver small and probably difficult to read > at this time. Zeamer recorded this cemetery circa 1900 or so. CCHS should > have his transcription. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janice" <janbuff@comcast.net> > To: <PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 9:54 PM > Subject: Re: [PACUMBER] Poplar Church Cemetery > > > > I was unable to find an online list for this cemetery. It is my next > trip, > > maybe this coming weekend. Who are you looking for? If I go, I will look > > for you. It is very close to the Oyster Point area we have been > discussing. > > I'm not sure how big it is but if possible, I will record all the names > > there. It's hard to see the whole cemetery from Poplar Church Road, so > I'm > > not sure of the size. > > > > Janice > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ame Willis Ivanov" <ame@alaska.net> > > To: <PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 12:02 AM > > Subject: [PACUMBER] Poplar Church Cemetery > > > > > > > Is there a list (hopefully, on line) of the graves in the Poplar Church > or > > Old Poplar Cemetery in Camp Hill near Holy Spirit? I saw the name on the > > list of cemeteries in Cumberland County in the PaGenWeb archives, but did > > not see a list on line. Ame > > > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > > > > ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > > Need to find a location?? > > http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > Visit the USGenWeb PA Archives page: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/pafiles.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Poplar Church Cemetery is very old, ver small and probably difficult to read at this time. Zeamer recorded this cemetery circa 1900 or so. CCHS should have his transcription. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice" <janbuff@comcast.net> To: <PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [PACUMBER] Poplar Church Cemetery > I was unable to find an online list for this cemetery. It is my next trip, > maybe this coming weekend. Who are you looking for? If I go, I will look > for you. It is very close to the Oyster Point area we have been discussing. > I'm not sure how big it is but if possible, I will record all the names > there. It's hard to see the whole cemetery from Poplar Church Road, so I'm > not sure of the size. > > Janice > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ame Willis Ivanov" <ame@alaska.net> > To: <PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 12:02 AM > Subject: [PACUMBER] Poplar Church Cemetery > > > > Is there a list (hopefully, on line) of the graves in the Poplar Church or > Old Poplar Cemetery in Camp Hill near Holy Spirit? I saw the name on the > list of cemeteries in Cumberland County in the PaGenWeb archives, but did > not see a list on line. Ame > > > > ______________________________ > > > > ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > Need to find a location?? > http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I was unable to find an online list for this cemetery. It is my next trip, maybe this coming weekend. Who are you looking for? If I go, I will look for you. It is very close to the Oyster Point area we have been discussing. I'm not sure how big it is but if possible, I will record all the names there. It's hard to see the whole cemetery from Poplar Church Road, so I'm not sure of the size. Janice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ame Willis Ivanov" <ame@alaska.net> To: <PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 12:02 AM Subject: [PACUMBER] Poplar Church Cemetery > Is there a list (hopefully, on line) of the graves in the Poplar Church or Old Poplar Cemetery in Camp Hill near Holy Spirit? I saw the name on the list of cemeteries in Cumberland County in the PaGenWeb archives, but did not see a list on line. Ame > > ______________________________

Janice: I am curious if Abraham Oyster,1775-1864 is buried there. His wife, Maria Kiesecker Oyster, 1790-1865, and at least three of his children and three of his son George's are in that cemetery according to my mother's records. Mother listed 17 Oysters buried there all told, including Abraham Jr. (1824-3) [I am pretty sure that she actually went to the cemetery, although she may have consulted some records as well. She does not have any written records footnoted.] Perhaps Abraham was buried there and his stone has deteriorated too much to read when she was there in the 1960's. This is not really urgent, so don't go to any real trouble, but let me know if you see his grave. Thanks, Ame ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice" <janbuff@comcast.net> To: <PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [PACUMBER] Poplar Church Cemetery > I was unable to find an online list for this cemetery. It is my next trip, > maybe this coming weekend. Who are you looking for? If I go, I will look > for you. It is very close to the Oyster Point area we have been discussing. > I'm not sure how big it is but if possible, I will record all the names > there. It's hard to see the whole cemetery from Poplar Church Road, so I'm > not sure of the size. > > Janice > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ame Willis Ivanov" <ame@alaska.net> > To: <PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 12:02 AM > Subject: [PACUMBER] Poplar Church Cemetery > > > > Is there a list (hopefully, on line) of the graves in the Poplar Church or > Old Poplar Cemetery in Camp Hill near Holy Spirit? I saw the name on the > list of cemeteries in Cumberland County in the PaGenWeb archives, but did > not see a list on line. Ame > > > > ______________________________ > > > > ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > Need to find a location?? > http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Fellow Listers: Here's a transcript of a Marriage License I found in the Snyder Co., PA. Court House. Hope it helps someone! Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA. N. A. BROWNAWELL; carpenter; born in Middlesex Twp., Cumberland Co., PA.; residence - Allen, Cumberland Co.; 46 years of age; never married before; parents - O. F. [b.Cumberland Co.] and Mary KUNKLE [b.Perry Co.] BROWNAWELL [both parents deceased] .... married on 12-Oct-1920 in Mt. Pleasant Mills, Snyder Co., PA. by Rev. E. E. GILBERT to... Jennie L. GOODLING; domestic; born in Perry Twp., Snyder Co.; residence - Meiserville, Snyder Co.; 39 years of age; parents - Lewis [b.Snyder Co.] and Mary DARR [b.Snyder Co.] GOODLING [both parents deceased]

Hi Mary: I think you posted a message to a message board I had posted to previously but am answering you here as Ron may be interested too. Yes, I have info on Samuel TROUP who m. Elizabeth ZETLER. What are you interested in knowing? Bobby Troup robert.e.troup@verizon.net My Website: http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/mapleave

http://www.rootsweb.com/~pawsygc/ The Camp Hill Cemetery was just read and the people that did it worked with the Borough office and it was recently put online, see address above. Bobby Troup robert.e.troup@verizon.net My Website: http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/mapleave

thanks for the leg work Janice..... the front door address is http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/cumberland/ and look under cemeteries Direct ftp addy is ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/cumberland/cemeteries/camphillplot.txt -- joe

OK, after reading the postings I received yesterday, I couldn't take the suspense anymore, so I got in the car and went to the Camp Hill Cemetery this morning. It has been a while since I was there, and I had many more names to look for - mostly Bowmans. I was not disappointed since there are so many. Anyway, I walked to the far corner (away from 23rd street - I think the northeast corner) and there under a huge pine tree/bush were tombstones, almost hidden from view. The inscriptions faced into the bush, and I was able to climb in there and identify Maria Nichols and Ann Nichols. There were 3 others beside it . One was definitely Jacob, but the last name looked like it started with an "S". The end of it looked like "berger" but the top of the "b" had a right hook to it. I believe it may be in German, but it is almost unreadable. The one beside it also looks to be the same last name, but I can't read the first name. The third on in this group is undreadable and is broken. There are a few other broken stones and one stone that looks like it was just a blank stone marker near these. Another note - there were new American Flags placed by the tombstones of Anna NICHOLS and Maria NICHOLS. There was also a new flag in a Revolutionary War holder placed by the stone for Jacob. Is there a special reason the flags would have been placed by the womens' graves? I have Anna HERSHBERGER's will and in it she officially establishes the Oyster's Point cemetery and says her husband is already buried there. She directs her executors to place stones on each of their graves. I am sure their name was HERSHBERGER or a variant spelling. I also have her deed (via executors) transferring the land per her will to Samuel, Ann and Maria Nichols. An abstract of Anna HERSHBERGER'S father's will (FUNK) says his daughter Anna is intermarried with Jacob HERSBERGER. So, why were the burials recorded with a different name, and why do the stones look like the names begin with an "S"? I guess it is within the realm of possibility the names were spelled incorrectly on the stone since they may have been done at the same time. I have seen the file on USGenWeb showing the transcription as Martzbager. I can't figure out how the names begin with an "M"- the stones don't look like an "M". Maybe a typo or a fancy H that either looked like an M or one of the sides looked like an S? The Abraham FUNK listed is Anna HERSHBERGER's brother. I believe the Christiana MAY listed is her daughter, but I don't have that documented/sourced yet. I am curious - where is there a plot listing of the Camp Hill Cemetery? Is it available for review? There were quite a few Bowman and Wolf stones that I couldn't read. The boro only has the plot holder cards and the layout of the cemetery. Thanks to everyone for all the information, you've been a tremendous help! Janice Buffington ----- Original Message ----- From: <PACUMBER-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <PACUMBER-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 9:00 PM Subject: PACUMBER-D Digest V02 #250

Any chance you have any maps, etc. for 1880? I would be very interested in hearing more about the Thummas of Monroe Twp... thanks...Susan

Is there a list (hopefully, on line) of the graves in the Poplar Church or Old Poplar Cemetery in Camp Hill near Holy Spirit? I saw the name on the list of cemeteries in Cumberland County in the PaGenWeb archives, but did not see a list on line. Ame

It was the Wolfs who were in Monroe Twp.. There are 3. C. Wolf is in the NW corner along Trindle Springs Road near the Churchtown Road which runs at right angle to the Trindle Spring Road. G. Wolf is in Roxbury town. L. Wolf is just south of the Yellow Breeches on the western side of the township. Two Thummas are in Lower Frankford. P.Thumma is along the Conodoguinet and S. Thumma in the same area, but along a branch of Stine's Run. Sorry, this is pretty imprecise. I don't know these townships well. I have no later map except Camp Hill. Maybe someone else hasd one. Ame ----- Original Message ----- From: <s1ingram@aol.com> To: <PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 5:12 PM Subject: [PACUMBER] Thumma / Wolf / 1880 > Any chance you have any maps, etc. for 1880? > > I would be very interested in hearing more about the Thummas of Monroe Twp... > > thanks...Susan > > > ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > Need to find a location?? > http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

This information for Michael and Elizabeth is different from what I have in my data base - is it new to the list? The source is given below. Many thanks to those who have undertaken the effort to make this information available on-line. EGOLFF, Elizabeth, w/o Michael, Sept 8-1795, 66y Michael, April 8-1817, 91y 6m 6d EGOLF, Corpl. W. A., Co. E. 84th N.Y. Inf. G. A. R. Thos., Co. E. 84th N.Y. Inf. Jane Graham, Jan 7-1847? EGOLF, Valentine d 10th Dec. 1832, aged 42 yrs. http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/cumberland/cemet.htm Cemeteries: Carlisle's Old Graveyard: Carlisle, Cumberland Co, PA Contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by the grandchildren of Sarah Woods Parkinson. Kindly transcribed by Sharon Houck Frank. sharon1@cfl.rr.com Copyrighted in 1930 was a book "Memories of Carlisle's Old Graveyard" published by Mary Kirtley Lamberton, and written by Sarah Woods Parkinson, our Grandmother. ARCHIVIST'S NOTE: This 1930 book was based on an 1898 reading of this Cemetery. We, the descendants, in the interest of genealogy, acknowledge that the information contained in this book could be of great value to many persons. Therefore, we feel that the contents of this book should be put into public domain. Elizabeth Winifred Hoffman Helen Parkinson Moore William Sterrett Parkinson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Another source is the Resourrce listing of Church and Cemetery records - in the Cumberland County Historical Society. This latter source also has Michael listed twice and the two soldiers in their index - Michale Egolf died 1817 and Elizabeth Egolf, died 1795, are found in Necrology, Cumberkland County. Other researchers gave me "Marriages and Deaths from the Carlisle Gazette and the Western Repository of Knowledge, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, 1786-1800 - suppose this is the reference. Maybe I misinterpreted the death date but I had Micheal; dying September 9, 1795, born October 2, 1727. And I had no information for his wife, Elizabeth. This was probably my mistake. What I now have from the above cemetery records - Micheal EGOLFF death: April 8, 1817. From his age 91 y, 6 d, 6 m, I caculate his birth date October 2, 1725. And Elizabeth died: Sept 8, 1795 at age 66 y. Therefore born: 1729. I would appreciate an Egolf seeker's comments. This may not be new but in any case I would appreciate confirmation of these dates. Does anyone know where the two soldiers fit? Regards Hal