This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Wilson, Hays, Deem/Deems, Reimer, Balthaser, Shupe, Conrad, Dickson, Condon Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/2909 Message Board Post: I have a marriage record for Robert WILSON and Dorcas HAYS, 9 Mar 1802, Big Spring Presbyterian Church, Newville, Cumberland County, PA. These are the same names as my 4th great-grandparents, whose eldest daughter, Eliza, was b. 1804 in Pennsylvania, location unknown. In 1820, my Robert Wilson family was in Luzerne Twp., Fayette County, PA, living next to a Joseph Wilson, who was still living there at age 91 in 1850. >From 1830 through 1850, my Robert Wilson family was in Perry Twp., Tuscarawas County, Ohio. I am seeking to determine if my Wilsons were the Robert and Dorcas married in Cumberland County in 1802, and if so, their families of origin. Thanks for any small bits of info or hunches you can provide. Wilson is a hard family to research!

Thank you Barbara and Richard - I have a long line of Egolf's who were coopers and saddlers and harness-makers, teamsters and they married craftsmen. My Henry Egolf lived near Carlisle and was a wagoneer/teamster. They all had enough farm land to support a horse or two and the very necessary cow. The women and youngens grew vegetables, but the Egolf's were not farmers. I have seen barrels made in Kentucky and it is a wonderful sight to see. The master-barrel-maker picks up an armful of staves - he does it so quickly that you would think he was taking them at random. But then when he stands them up in the head truss ring they are found to be perfect in size and number - and fill out the ring making a perfect barrel. Amazing skill - an art - a craft. After the barrel was almost completed - they used the crozer to trim the staves and cut the croze (groves) for the head pieces. Very good of you to take the time - I apprecated the link to the tool page - I copied the photo of what I will call a crozer and the bung hole maker. Thanks again best regards Hal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara" <brivas1@cox.net> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] crozer croze > This site discusses the cooper's trade. The word used here is "crouse" - a "crouse knife" > > "Crouse Knife: V shaped blade used to cut a notch inside the barrel staves to > allow secure fitting of the barrel head. " > > Another site that sells old cooper's tools calls it a croze. > > This page has pictures of old cooper's tools. > > http://www.oldtools.com/ > http://www.oldtools.com/Coopers%20Tools.html > > (I have NO connection nor interest in the pages that are selling items.) > > http://phrontistery.50megs.com/index.html > Lists of strange, outdated, unique words > > http://phrontistery.50megs.com/c.html > croze groove in the staves of a cask > > > > > Hal Laube wrote: > > > In 1700 and today a cooper would use a crozer to cut and trim the ends of the barrel and to cut a croze for the head pieces. Could someone please tell me what is the origin of crozer and croze. Is it German? If not what is the name of the tool in German - or would a German call it crozer and croze? Thanks Hal > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe first check and see if you are getting list or digest mode then e-mail PALANCAS-L-request@rootsweb.com or PALANCAS-D-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in message. > > ______________________________

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I'm interest in the following Thumma family: Christopher Thumma Susan Smith...the lived and raised their family in Cumberland Co, near Carlisle, PA in 1851 they moved to Indiana...It's my understanding that the first five were born in PA...the rest were born in Indiana....I know it's sketchy, but at this point it's all I have...can anyone fill in any blanks... thanks...Susan Ingram Their children where: 1. Jacob Thuma (the only one of the family to spell it Thuma and not Thumma) Susanna d. 10-5-1865, age 78y 11m 24d 2. Philip Thumma dm. Sarah Kell (Philip is listed in 1900 Census age 77 living with his son) 3. Peter Thumma d. 10-29-1892, age 81y 11m 9d md. Eliza 4. John Thumma - b. 20 Dec 1810 md. Mary Briner and then md. Julia Ann Briner....moved to Perry Co., PA where they raised their family 5. Christopher Thumma b.1826 d. 1904 md. Sarah Brown b.1829 d. 1904 6. Abraham Thumma b.1816 d. 4 OCT 1896 md. Elizabath Shaw b. 31 JAN 1822 7. Mathias Thumma md. Mary Nickey 8. Henry Thumma d. 8-2-1842, b. 7-10-1820 9. Mary Thumma 1816-1850 10. Hannah Thumma b. Sept 4, 1818 died in Indiana 11. Susan Thumma md. Jacob Shambaugh...I believe they lived in Lexington, OH...

In 1700 and today a cooper would use a crozer to cut and trim the ends of the barrel and to cut a croze for the head pieces. Could someone please tell me what is the origin of crozer and croze. Is it German? If not what is the name of the tool in German - or would a German call it crozer and croze? Thanks Hal

This came from a list I am on. Please check it out to see if you find old lost Photo's of your family. I don't know this man. I hope it helps someone out here. Hope Engelmann In my travels, I see family photos lost in antique shops. I think this is sad, so I decided to do something about it. So I bought every family photo that I can find with a surname on it and set up a website so that the descendants of these people can reclaim their lost loved ones. I have been able to help many people. Check out my website. Maybe I can help you, as well. Robert D. King http://fourkings.freeyellow.com/Page3.html

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: GOOD/EASTMAN Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/1310.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks, Terry, for your input. This could well be the John J. GOOD you mentioned. Since my original posting, I have learned the ENBC also found on the back of some of the photos probably stands for "Eastman National Business College", which was located in Poughkeepsie, Chicago and New York City. Do you have any indication your great-uncle may have attended that school?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/86.1 Message Board Post: Is this D.R.Porter Kegerreis, son of Jacob and Sarah Royer Kegerreis,that you are researching ?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/1310.1 Message Board Post: Ann: I believe that this J.J. Good may be John J. Good, a brother to Hiram J., Anna, and Emma, all children of John and Maria (Mary) Good. John J. was born February 15, 1849 and died December 13, 1887 of consumption in Carlisle. He married Alice C. Darr who died March 12, 1927. Both are buried in Ashland Cemetery in Carlisle. According to his obituary, he and his brother ran a grocery store in Carlisle for a few years.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JaB.2ACE/2908 Message Board Post: I am searching for any information on the family of Hugh McLaughlin Sr., who appears in various records of Cumberland Co. in the 1770's. I put together the following from my research: Hugh McLaughlin Sr. The first known record of Hugh McLaughlin was as a witness to the will of James Allison of Newton Twp., Cumberland Co., PA, made March 28, 1770, and proven April 11, 1770. He next appears on the Newton Twp. tax list for 1774 as “Hugh McGlaughlin Senr.”, the sole listing for the family in the township. The assessment for 1775 states that he was taxed for 41 acres of land, two horses, three cows, and five sheep. There were no McLaughlins listed in Newton Twp. in 1776, and in 1778, the next extant assessment, there was listed only a “Widow McGlaughlin” with 24 acres and one cow. This would indicate that Hugh died in 1775 or 1776, and that his widow was forced of necessity to sell off much of their property over the next two years. But in 1779, when her name is given as “Isabella McLaughlin” , it appears that her fortunes were beginning to improve , for she is then listed with 50 acres, one horse, and one cow. By 1780, along with the 50 acres, she had two horses and four cows. That was the last record of her in the tax records. Evidently, she remarried about that time. There are no other McLaughlins listed in Newton Twp. until 1788, when “Daniel McGlaughlin” appears as a single freeman. Most likely this Daniel was the son of Hugh and Isabella. Other children may have included Hugh and Alexander, who, along with Daniel, rented pews as members of Big Spring Presbyterian Church in 1790. Also listed as members of the church in 1789 were “Sarah McGlaughlin and family”, perhaps the widow of a fourth son. It was perhaps she who married an R. McElwain that year. Many thanks, Thomas Ridenour restorer@shentel.net

Hello Thomas Sorry I am so slow in replaying. Dianna Lemon is my 5th great grandmother. I am going to be trying to find out more about Mary Harper and her family. I will let you know if I find any information on Maria, she is about the same age as Mary Lemon Harper. She may be the sister or cousin of Major John Harper the husband of Mary. I am going to be gathering more information on Major John Harper and I will keep my eyes open. Leon -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Ridenour [mailto:restorer@shentel.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 7:01 AM To: PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACUMBER] Mrs. Mary Harper d. 8-7-1865, age 67 Big Springs Presbyterian Graveyard I recorded the following in my notes while visiting Big Spring Cemetery 10 years ago: "Diana Lemon, died -- 12, 1837 aged 75 years mother of Mrs. Mary Harper died August 3, 1865 aged 67 years" It appears that the inscriptions are from the same stone, though I cannot recall exactly. My wife's ggg grandmother was Maria Harper McLaughlin (1805-1886), wife of Samuel McLaughlin (1796-1862), who are also buried at Big Spring ( though not listed on the USGENWEB site). I have been unsuccessful in determining Maria's parents and would appreciate any help I can get on the Harper line. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon M. Lemon" <leonlemon@attbi.com> To: <PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 3:00 AM Subject: [PACUMBER] Mrs. Mary Harper d. 8-7-1865, age 67 Big Springs Presbyterian Graveyard > The following information comes from the Big Spring Presbyterian Graveyard, > Newville, Cumberland Co., Pa. listing on the USGenWeb site: > > Harper, John d. 10-11-1846, b. 11-29-1793, Major > > Harper, Mary, Mrs. d. 8-3-1865, age 67y, > > w/o Major John Harper; d/o Diana Lewis > > Harper, Dianna L. d. 8-7-1829, age 6y 8m, > > d/o John & Mary L. Harper > > > My 3rd great grand father, William McClure Lemon studied to be a surveyor > with his uncle Major John Harper. William Lemon was born in Toboyne in what > is now Perry county. William has an aunt named Mary, who from looking at > both of William grandparents would have been the one married to Major John > Harper. All of the other aunts and uncles have known spouses. > > Mary Lemon's mother was Diana Lemon. Mrs. Diana Lemon is buried in this > same cemetery. I assume that she was living with her daughter Mary at the > time of her death. > > Graveyard Listing: > Lemon, Diana, Mrs. d. 12-00-1837, age 75y > > I think that the Diana Lewis listed as Mary Harpers mother could have been > Diana Lemon. I would greatly appreciate it if someone could verify what the > inscription reads on Mrs. Mary Harper's headstone. > > Thank you very much. > > Leon Lemon > leonlemon@attbi.com > > > ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > Visit Cumberland County USGenweb and get the latest updates! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacumber/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== A quick link to the complete list of PA USGenWeb County sites. http://www.pagenweb.org/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JaB.2ACE/2082.2079 Message Board Post: Terry,I have a Samuel that I thought until today that he always lived in York. Co. Pa. but I just found that his Son Christopher was Born in Maryland , but Christopher is in 1860 census in Ohio with children that matches with my family tree in Huron Co. Ohio. I am going to write to Huron Co. Ohio to see because several dates on the census don't match. It looks like Samuel was a travler and may have lived in Maryland and Ohio until he got his fathers plantation after 1814. I also have many Samuels listed on Family tree in every generation.Please E. mail at mveselak@sc.rr.com if any of this relates to you or interested. Mariannne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/575.576.641.698.106.1.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Cheryl, Thanks for the help. I have a copy of a will George did. I believe I got it from the Cambria Coubty Courthouse in Ebensburg, Pa. As I mentioned earlier I descend through George's son James Fredrick. James Fredrick was married to Phyllis Constable. Their son Philip George was my grandfather. Thanks for anything you can provide. Tom Withers

You can click on Frankford on this image map to see the USGS map of Frankford township. http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/maps/pa/county/cumber/usgs/ + Ed McClelland, Alexandria, Virginia.

there are two Thummas in the 1858 Atlas and two in the 1872 Atlas. Two in 1858 are a P. Thumma and an S. Thumma. only ones listed in the index. Both would be in lower Frankford on a current map. in 1872 at different locations, are an S. Thumma, from the business listings a Sa'l., probably a Samuel, a farmer and stock grower. Further west north above Bloserville, in present Upper Frankford is a C. Thumma. This atlas is not indexed.... -- joe

Where is Frankford Twp. in Cumberland Co.? I'm looking for Thumma/Thuma in Frankford Twp. thanks..

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: BOYER PALMER Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/575.576.641.698.106.1.2.1 Message Board Post: George Boyer b 27 Jul 1834 m 13 Apr 1856 Mary Palmer. I have have seven children listed for them, with some descendants. I can get more details this weekend when I'm at my parents' house in Ohio. We have Jacob's father being Frederick, and the grandfather is Philip. I have more information and will contact you next week.

Here is a link to maps and an explanation of the dates the various townships were formed Ame http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacumber/towns.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <s1ingram@aol.com> To: <PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:18 PM Subject: [PACUMBER] Franford TWP. > Where is Frankford Twp. in Cumberland Co.? > > I'm looking for Thumma/Thuma in Frankford Twp. > > thanks.. > > > ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > Search this mail list. > Just type in pacumber or PACUMBER. > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Ame, I have been to that cemetery, and there are several Oyster/Eysters there. A friend of mine is a decendent of the Oyster family and has much of it documented. If you contact me privately, I will give you his name and address. Linda Piekut

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/575.576.641.698.106.1.1.1 Message Board Post: No. Sorry.