This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: home.earthlink.net/~nwebner/roots.html Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/2983 Message Board Post: I am looking for Jacob Grove b. 1818, Susanna Webner d. 1917, John Braun b. abt 1800-1810, Martin Fisher b. 1815 and married to Elizabeth Webner, Amanda Drumm b. abt 1830-1835. All have Cumberland Co.-area connections.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/2974.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I can't thank you enough for going through your book on the Cover family! I am sure it took a lot of time and I am MOST appreciative and I thank you wholeheartedly. Guess my Elizabeth Null is related to another Cover family. Thank you again for all your efforts. I can't thank you enough for everything. I will keep trying to break down my brick wall though.

It is only on rare occasions that I add a book to the list of "must haves" for the study of Scotch-Irish genealogy.  This one is for our friends with Pennsylvania connections and it is certainly a rare item.   Published in 1856 "by a descendant" it is titled: "A Tribute to the Principles, Virtues, Habits and Public Usefulness of the Irish and Scotch Early Settlers of Pennsylvania,"   Chambersburg, Pa., Printed by M. Kiefer & Co. 1856, 171 pages.   >From the preface the following:   "The writer of the Tribute contained in this work, had long desired to see from the Historical publications in Pennsylvania, a vindication of the character and principles of the Irish and Scotch early settlers of this great State and their descendants against reproach, as well as aspersion, cast upon them in some modern publications having pretensions to Historical accuracy...The writer, feeling as if the sand of his Time glass was nearly run out, and that he ere long must be laid aside from labor... has hastily thrown together in his leisure hours, taken from other avocations, the remarks contained in the subsequent pages." Those other avocations are Dr. Foote's Sketches of North Carolina and Virginia, Day's Historical collections, Dr. Smith's Old Redstone, Dr. Alexander's Log College, Dr. Miller's Life of Dr. Rogers, Dr. Elliott's Life of McCurdy and others, Craig's History of Pittsburgh, Hazard's Colonial Records and Archives of Pennsylvania, and American Archives by Force and Gordon's History of Pennsylvania, Mr Rupp's Histories of Lancaster, Cumberland and Franklin counties. The style of writing and knowledge of early Presbyterian history indicates the author may have been a member of the clergy*.  There is a lot of detail on the early members of the church as well as problems with the Indians and the struggle over land rights during the westward expansion.   The book reads a bit like Prof. Hagy's thesis on the early frontier settlement at Castle's Woods, Virginia and it is a combination of history, genealogy and geography. *I have been told recently that Judge Chambers is the author of this work. Listed below are the other books and manuscripts previously offered to the various surname lists that are predominately Scotch-Irish: The Laggan and its Presbyterianism and In the Days of the Laggan Presbytery, 1905,1908, by the Rev. Alexander Lecky, B.A., member of the Royal Sociey of Antiquaries of Ireland, Belfast, Davidson & McCormack, 54 Kings St.  211 pages    On our recent trip to Donegal we met J.B. Shannon, age 90, who assisted in the 1975 reprinting of this book.  He is the last living person who had anything to do with these books and he says they are still the BEST source for Ulster Presbyterian research.  From Lecky I quote, "The lists of names of former generations of Lagganeers, and their places of abode, that are given in the Appendixes, and which NEVER before appeared in print, whilst they may of necessity prove dull reading to those who have no acquaintance with the locality, will not, I hope, be altogether uninteresting to those who bear the same name, or live in the same places..." Fighters of Derry, Their Deeds and Descendants, being a Chronicle of Events in Ireland during the Revolutionary period 1688-1691, by William Young, Eyre and Spottiswoode, London, 350 pages.    One of the most difficult sources to locate, in fact almost impossible.  Months worth of reading and packed with great genealogy.  Contains the following biographical sketches:    1.  The leaders of the County Associations who, with their levies, took part in the preliminary operations and contributed much of the man power for the Defence. 2.  The Apprentice Boys and those responsible for shutting the gates on the 8th Dec. 1688. 3.  The actual Defenders during the 105 day siege (over 1200 genealogical sketches) 4.  Those engaged in the relief of the city A History of the Siege of Londonderry and Defense of Enniskillen in 1688 and 1689, with Historical Poetry and Biographical notes, by the Rev. John Graham, M.A. Rector of Magilligan in the Diocese of Derry.  Includes the Battles of the Boyne, Athlone, and Aughrim and the siege and Capitulation of Limmerick by Lord McCaulay, Toronto, 1869    The historical poems are family genealogies about those who were at Derry and where they came from.  Along with "Fighters of Derry" these two sources contain more actual genealogical information than any others I have seen. Three Hundred Years in Innishowen, Being More Particularly an Account of the Family of Young of Culdaff with Short Accounts of Many Other Families Connected with Them, by Amy Young, 1929, The Linenhall Press, Belfast, 311 pages.    Some of the names included are Young, Hart, Harvey, Cary, Vaughan, McLaughlin, Skipton, Richardson, Knox, Ussher, Smith, Nesbitt, Chichester, Ball, Lawrence, Crofton, Boyd, Stuart and many others. The Laggan and its People, by S.M. Campbell, privately printed. A look at the history of the Laggan (Presbyterian Derry/Donegal) through the eyes of a local historian. Draws on local lore, Abercorn papers, records from PRONI. The Tinkling Spring: Headwater of Freedom, A Study of the Church and Her People, 1732-1952, by Howard McKnight Wilson, 1954, Fisherville, Virginia 542 pages    The best source of information on the Scotch-Irish of Augusta/Rockbridge Counties in Virginia.  Includes the Baptismal Records of the Rev. Craig.  In-depth study of the early families of the Shenandoah Valley. Castle's Woods: Frontier Virginia Settlement, 1769-1799, a thesis presented to the Faculty of the Department of History, East Tennessee State University in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the Degree of master of Arts, by James W. Hagy, 1966, 150 pages.    The most popular of the documents offered, this covers the families who settled in Russell county, Virginia when it was considered the frontier.  If your ancestors came through southwestern Virginia, this document is the history of your family.  Contains information on specific families as well as the farmers, speculators, artisans, and preachers who resided there.  Lots on the Indian battles that were a daily feature of life on the frontier.  Names like Russell, Walker, Porter, Cowan, Houston, Boone, Montgomery, Fraley, Thompson, Anderson, Kilgore, and 50 or so other "Scotch-Irish" families make this an invaluable resource for your family history. The Reverend Samuel Houston, V.D.M., by George West Diehl, 1970, McClure Publishing Co. 125 pages History of the early Virginia Presbyterians through the life of the Rev. Samuel Houston, kin to Sam Houston of Texas fame. The Stirling Merchant Gild and Life of John Cowane, founder of Cowane's Hospital in Stirling, by David B. Morris, Town Clerk, Stirling, Jamieson & Munro, LTD. 1919, 367pages. This is really two books in one.   The first part deals with the Gild. Laws, history, struggle with Unfreemen and with the Crafts, Administration, Merchandising, Conditions of entry, etc. and the second part which is about the life of John Cowane, Dean of the Gild and his contributions to it. Well there you have it.  The best documents I have found.  If you are interested in purchasing any of the above items (I would like to make copies for free but I can't) contact me at cscunc@aol.com for  details. Regards, Robert Cowan 525 Harrogate Rd. Matthews, North Carolina 28105

Trevor, the CD-Rom of SAR Patriots is worth every penny! I am secretary of our SAR Washingtonburg Chapter, in Carlisle, PA,, and I too was concerned about the content and quality. After receiving it and using it, there can be no question about its value.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Glover Alexander Curry Zimmer Simmers Blair Copperstone Handschu Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/2982 Message Board Post: I found the INDEX below on the web. All the family names in caps on the left are on the church roles, and they seem to be parallel to the Glover/Alexander family who went to VA, roughly 1800 or so. I'm not saying they are the same people as I've listed in brackets, but so many parallels seems to suggest something: INDEX TO SURNAMES Parish Registers of the First Evangelical Lutheran Church, Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA Pennsylvania 1788-1923 ALEXANDER [married a Glover brother in VA in 1815] BLAIR [first name of a Glover grandson in VA in 1875] COPPERSTONE (Coverstone) [married a Glover sister in VA in 1817] CURRY [married a Glover brother in VA in 1816] GLOVER [sometimes has an "i" in it—"Glovier"] TAYLOR [married a Glover sister in 1815] ZIMMER [several married Glover/Gloviers in VA in the early part 19th c.] [HANDSCHU, which means Glover in German] JDG jd-glover@attbi.com

John - Good suggestion about going to a LDS Family History library to look for the index However not every LDS church has one. If you want to locate the closest one to you - check out www.familysearch.org first - it may save you a trip. LHansen ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Irwin" <irwin@apci.net> To: <PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:27 PM Subject: RE: [PACUMBER] SAR Patriot Index > Go to local LDS church. I suspect they have it in hard copy which is a > 3 volume set. > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: chinacat@teleport.com [mailto:chinacat@teleport.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:53 AM > To: PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PACUMBER] SAR Patriot Index > > I am considering purchasing the SAR Patriot Index - 1999 Edition from > Progeny Software. Does anyone have experience using this cd-rom? Is > this a reputable company / source? Is this index a handy tool or is it > a waste of time and $$? > > I appreciate your help in advance. > > Trevor > > > > > ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > Search this mail list. > Just type in pacumber or PACUMBER. > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > Search this mail list. > Just type in pacumber or PACUMBER. > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Go to local LDS church. I suspect they have it in hard copy which is a 3 volume set. John -----Original Message----- From: chinacat@teleport.com [mailto:chinacat@teleport.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:53 AM To: PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACUMBER] SAR Patriot Index I am considering purchasing the SAR Patriot Index - 1999 Edition from Progeny Software. Does anyone have experience using this cd-rom? Is this a reputable company / source? Is this index a handy tool or is it a waste of time and $$? I appreciate your help in advance. Trevor ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== Search this mail list. Just type in pacumber or PACUMBER. http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

We have Elizabeth KINDER marrying George MEDER in the Lutheran Church of Carlisle, August 21, 1823. We speculate repeat speculate that she may have been the daughter of Conrad KINDER of Manchester Twp, York County. He seems top have died before 1820. Anyone have an interest in this KINDER/MEDER/MATER line?

I am considering purchasing the SAR Patriot Index - 1999 Edition from Progeny Software. Does anyone have experience using this cd-rom? Is this a reputable company / source? Is this index a handy tool or is it a waste of time and $$? I appreciate your help in advance. Trevor

I just wanted to let everyone know that the book Camp Hill A History by Robert Grant Crist has been reprinted. This book has been out of print for quite a while, and I know several people have been wondering if they could get copies of it. It was cited in the discussions of the Camp Hill cemeteries on this list last October. The reprint (2nd Edition, April 1985) is in softcover and is available for $20 at the Fredricksen Library in Camp Hill. I was told at the library that Mr. Crist's widow had 250 copies reprinted. Here is the library's contact information: FREDRICKSEN LIBRARY 100 N. 19th Street Camp Hill PA 17011 717-761-3900 <A HREF="http://www.ccpa.net/ls/FREhome.html">http://www.ccpa.net/ls/FREhome.html</A> Rae Neubaum

Therese, My club is currently working on the Longsdorf Cemetery in Silver Spring Township, Cumberland County. The records I have are as follows: LONGSDORF Jacob M b. 9 Apr 1836 d. 6 Jul 1918 Annie Lorena, d/o Henry A & Kate A b. 7 Jun 1877 d. 12 Feb 1880 John D b. 14 Oct 1875 d. 17 Oct 1875 Charles Elmer b. 12 Feb 1862 d. 1 Mar 1865 Adam S b. 22 Sep 1842 d. 5 Feb 1872 George b. 5 Mar 1800 d. 26 Dec 1878 Eliza w/o George b. 30 Jun 1805 d. 29 Apr 1888 John Adam b. 14 Feb 1796 d. 24 Nov 1847 Anna Margaretta w/o Martin b. 20 Apr 1756 d. 31 Oct 1830 Martin b. 12 May 1749 d. 17 Sep 1804 Children of John & Mary Longsdorf, ca. 1830 Elizabeth b. 26 Nov 1720 d. __ Dec __ Henrich b. 24 Feb 1714 d. 28 Jun 1792 John Philip b. 3 Jan 1784 d. 27 Mar 1807 Philip b. 3 May 1755 d. 3 Dec 1788 David E b. 11 Feb 1831 d. 5 Feb 1911 Florence E b. 11 Jul 1842 d. 15 Oct 1915 Miriam A b. 4 Sep 1864 d. 5 Aug 1871 George F b. 24 Mar 1834 d. 31 Dec 1901 Virginia b. 7 May 1850 d. 3 Apr 1911 Walter K b. 25 Oct 1870 d. 19 Apr 1905 Sorry--no Spahrs. Hope this helps! Linda

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/2974.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I decided to go through my copy of the Kober-Cover-Coover book, and found 63 references to John Cover or John Coover. I found no reference to an Elizabeth Null with any of them. Sorry. It was a lot a work, but worth a look.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JaB.2ACE/178.1 Message Board Post: Correction to this post: in 1930 he was called woodrow, 4 years old and living with George and Mary Bender (foster parents? guardians?) on Valley Street in Mechanicsburg. I am looking for cousins; or just general correspondence. Nancy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/2974.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks Russell for all the good info and insight in the Kober/Cover/Cober/Cover family name. I was trying to locate info through Elizabeth Null but hit a brick wall. Hence, the posting here. Thanks for everything, Russell. I am related on the Null side, and I have discovered there are about as many Null's as there are Smith's in the United States. I will keep trying. Thanks.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Longsdorff Spahr Hauck Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/115.187.1416 Message Board Post: If the Longsdorf Book has been published (I hope!) please forward my interest to the authors. I e-mailed you before but my e-address has changed. tdmoss@steeltown.com I descend from Mary Elisabeth Longsdorf b @ 1787 Carlisle d Nov 1865 Bridgeville. She married Johan Peter Spahr b 1784 Carlisle or as one source has it Huntingdon County d July 1853 Pittsburgh ( I don't know who his parents were among the gazillion Spahr names I've found!) Mary Elisabeth Longsdorff had a brother Michael (she cut him out of her Will!) Her father was Phillip Longsdorf of Cumberland County and mother was Anna W. (poss Hauck?) b Nov 1763 died May 24 1839. Anna W. is buried in Pittsburgh with this Spahr family-the stone and cemetery records make it clear she was Mary Elisabeths mother-whether she died in Pittsburgh is not known. Wherabouts of Phillip Longsdorf husband & father also unknown! Can you guide me on the Longsdorff? My branch of Spahrs? Thanks, what I have is out there www.gencircle.com/users/tadillman/3 Therese

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: STURGIS Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/2981 Message Board Post: Biographical accounts of the General indicate he was born in 1822 in Shippensburg, and some list his father as Amos. I have earlier and later information on this family but nothing about their stay in Cumberland County. Can anyone shed some light? Many thanks.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/2974.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I would guess that I am related to John Cover. However, his name makes it difficult to trace. It would be easier tracing him through his wife. I shall explain.... In 1730, Johannes Dieterich KOBER left Gemmingen, Baden (in what is now Germany), arriving with his wife in Philadelphia. They moved west to what is now Lebanon County, Pennsylvania. They had (off the top of my head, so this may not be totally accurate) 11 children, 7 boys and 4 girls. In some German communities, those days, it was traditional to give each son and daughter a "Saints" name as their first name, and a "calling" name as the second name. Dieterich, as Johannes Dieterich Kober was known, and his wife gave each son the first name John and each daughter the first name Anna. The children were usually known by their 2nd name. The spelling of family names, in those days, was not standardized as they are today, and each child had the option to change the spelling in whatever way they wished. In German, the letter "b" is pronounced as the letter "v" is in English. As today, the letter "k" and the letter "c" are frequently pronounced alike. So the German "Kober" became "KOVER", "COBER", and "COVER". "Cover" became the preferred spelling. But many of the 2nd and 3rd generation children were teased about the name, because in English, "Cover" has an actual meaning. Some, including my ancestors, added an additional "o" making the name "COOVER". Others stayed with "Cover". My ancestor was the 2nd son of Dieterich. His name became, eventually, John George Coover, and he was known as George. As an adult, he moved to Cumberland County, where he raised his family and gave his father, Dieterich, a place to live after retirement. Interestingly enough, Dieterich became known to his Grandchildren as "Grandpa John." It is probable that your John Cover is a descendant of Dieterich Kober and wife. However, there is a distinct possibility that your John Cover is not closely related to this family, but it is probable that his family name was, at one time Kober. Virtually all members of the Cover family I've corresponded with, if they knew much about their families history, told me that the name was originally Kober. Regarding your city's library - most libraries will take requests. I live in Orange County, California, and I requested the Orange County Library to find this book. They found it at the Seattle Library, borrowed it from them at no charge, and gave me a couple of weeks to explore it, before sending it back. I was able to find the birth of my Grandfather listed in the book, and was able to trace the family back to Dieterich Kober. Their are many John Covers listed in the book. So, as I said above, you'd have to find the one married to Elizabeth Null. I hope you are able to find your ancestors. My best to you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JaB.2ACE/2980 Message Board Post: I am researching my Kline family history. My mother's name was Lisa E. Kline. Her father's name is Harry F. Kline. I have 3 Uncles, Carl, Eric and Kurt. My grandfathers' father's name is Harold F. Kline. Harold has a twin brother. I have a great Aunt Emma in the Pittsburgh area. I was told that she is in her 90's. I know my grandfather was also born in that area. My uncle Carl and Kurt now reside in MD. My uncle Eric now reside in our home land of Germany. That is all of the information that I really have. If anyone has any more information or ways I could research to find more leads or direction, I would be very grateful. Sincerely, Leann F. Kline

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/2979 Message Board Post: They were in Cumberland Co from their marriage in 1746 til his death in 1762. Would appreciate ANY info on this couple

Jackie, The following are the only SIMONS found in the Mechanicsburg Cemetery to this point. None are as early as you need. SIMONS B. Estelle 1899 1954 SIMONS Cleo S. 1906 1986 SIMONS Ida F. 1892 1970 SIMONS Joyce M. 1943 1976 SIMONS Marshall 1942 SIMONS Peter 1881 1964 SIMONS William L., Jr. 1922 1923 SIMONS William L., Sr. 1899 1982