This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Brenizer, Kline, Beelman, Coover, Bricker Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JaB.2ACE/2299.2491.1.1 Message Board Post: I have your David A. Brenizer b 3 July 1768 as the brother of my husband's Adam Brenizer b. 6 Sept. 1770 and the son of John Brenizer and his wife Christina. I would be interested in information about David's family and Barbara Bricker's as well. Other children in the family were Jacob, Margaretta John Christina, Barbara, George Martin, Mary, Michael and Simon.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Brenizer, Bricker Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JaB.2ACE/2299.2491.1 Message Board Post: I have Brenizers in my line, from Cumberland and Lancaster PA. The earliest I have is David A. Brenizer, born either @ 1766 or on 7/3/1768, m. Barbara Ann Bricker. Their son, John B. Brenizer, was born 9/3/1797 in PA - could your George be another son of theirs? Family Search has a David Brenizer listing, born on the 1768 date, father listed as George Michael Brenizer. Have not found anything further on him. Could this be the same line?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Burkhart - Diller - Grove - Knouse Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/2935.1 Message Board Post: I too have Burkhart's & Dillers of Frankford Twp. that I am researching. Please contact me.

You have to also go the ARIAS site, which presently has photocopies of the information cards the PHMC (Penn Hist Museum Comm) has for all of their Revolutionary service. Robert Weir appears on http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/archive.asp?view=ArchiveItems&Archive ID=13&FID=596442&LID=596541&FL=W&Page=3 , but the general address is http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/ . The State is paying to have these converted, might as well use them. Jerry -----Original Message----- From: jlongley@co.wayne.mi.us [mailto:jlongley@co.wayne.mi.us] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 11:45 AM To: PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACUMBER] Re: Revolutionary War/Cumberland Co. Militia This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Joseph, Stafford, Carhart, Walls, Stephenson, Davison Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/2988.1 Message Board Post: Some tax lists and *probably* militia rosters would have been published in the 3rd Series of the published "Pennsylvania Archives". Other items concerning Cumberland Co. may appear in correspondence published in the 1st Series of the published "Pennsylvania Archives" (editor for most of the series was Egle). Also if you'll locate the web site of the (governmental organization) Pennsylvania Archives in Harrisburg, there are links to very lengthy lists of its holdings concerning the various Counties: tax lists, land surveys, militia lists, etc. These lists note what was published in the above **published** "Pennsylvania Archives", by series, volume and pages' numbers. This will enable you to request the right volume(s) via inter-library loan, if you are not near a city that has a library that already has the very extensive published series. Inter-library loan costs a few dollars per volume for a book you can look at over the course usually of 2 weeks. Since these volumes are now over 100 years old, you probably will not be permitted to take one home. Be sure to ask to borrow the *index* book(s) for the series you're looking for! For the 3rd Series it's in 3 volumes. ______________________________

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/2988.2.1 Message Board Post: Note that the militia roster item in the card file is for a Robert Weir of Washington Co., PA. All men aged 16-60 were supposed to be in the County Militia. If the inquirer seeks this information in order to qualify for membership in an organization such as SAR or DAR, evidence of active duty or an active act of patriotism is required. The data on this particular card does not supply that evidence. This may or may not be the individual you were looking for; you'd have to prove it one way or another. Study of the history of formation of Pennsylvania counties will help you pinpoint where to look.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JaB.2ACE/2993.1 Message Board Post: Betty, I have a connection to some Derr family that came from Cumberland, Pa. to Holt cty, Missouri. These were William Alexander Derr b 1855, married my Ida Belle Young. They had children Thomas Fernand b 1881, Wilhelmina b 1884, Henry Smith b 1886, Nettie Mabel b 1888, and George Edward b 1891. I have not researched any townships in Holt cty. Maybe this is a clue. Good luck. John

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/2988.2 Message Board Post: You have to also go the the ARIAS site, which presently has photocopies of the information cards the PHMC (Penn Hist Museum Comm) has for all of their Revolutionary service. Robert Weir appears on http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/archive.asp?view=ArchiveItems&ArchiveID=13&FID=596442&LID=596541&FL=W&Page=3 , but the general address is http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/ . The State is paying to have these converted, might as well use them. Jerry

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Shupe Shoop Schupp Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/981.1058.1060.1063.1066.1068.1262.1270.1 Message Board Post: Do you know if Jacob and Catharina had a son, Jacob? I am trying to connect a Jacob Shupe/Shoop/Schupp from MD to PA. Thanks!

The Winebrennerians - Church of God has a nice web page - http://www.mun.ca/rels/restmov/wine.html Marcia Fronk ----- Original Message ----- From: <LTCMAX117@aol.com> To: <PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 11:51 AM Subject: [PACUMBER] Church of God > Regarding the Church of God discussion; one of the very earliest ministers > was Rev. David Maxwell from the Cumberland/Franklin Co area. Does anyone > have data on this preacher, especially who his parents were????????

You can see Path Valley and Upper Path Cemetery and Lower Path Cemetery in Fannett and Metal Townships in Franklin County. From the index map, click on the townships. http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/maps/pa/county/frankl/usgs/ Ed McClelland, Alexandria, Virginia.

Regarding the Church of God discussion; one of the very earliest ministers was Rev. David Maxwell from the Cumberland/Franklin Co area. Does anyone have data on this preacher, especially who his parents were????????

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Joseph, Stafford, Carhart, Walls, Stephenson, Davison Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/2988.1 Message Board Post: Some tax lists and *probably* militia rosters would have been published in the 3rd Series of the published "Pennsylvania Archives". Other items concerning Cumberland Co. may appear in correspondence published in the 1st Series of the published "Pennsylvania Archives" (editor for most of the series was Egle). Also if you'll locate the web site of the (governmental organization) Pennsylvania Archives in Harrisburg, there are links to very lengthy lists of its holdings concerning the various Counties: tax lists, land surveys, militia lists, etc. These lists note what was published in the above **published** "Pennsylvania Archives", by series, volume and pages' numbers. This will enable you to request the right volume(s) via inter-library loan, if you are not near a city that has a library that already has the very extensive published series. Inter-library loan costs a few dollars per volume for a book you can look at over the course usually of 2 weeks. Since these volumes are now over 100 years old, you probably will not be permitted to take one home. Be sure to ask to borrow the *index* book(s) for the series you're looking for! For the 3rd Series it's in 3 volumes.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JaB.2ACE/2993 Message Board Post: I am trying to find any information about some Derr's from Cumberland County, PA. My step grandfather was Frances Earl Derr b. 5-28-1904, info that I have was that he had a brother named Walter and sisters named Mary and Anna, father George and mother is Mabel, or May Abraham. Walnut Bottom was mentioned as a town or township, this information may be flawed but if someone has anything I would be very appreciative.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: KUHN--SMITH--MYERS--WINGERD--SHENCK Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/2992 Message Board Post: Am looking for info.on the family of Eli KUHN and Anna SMITH. Eli died 1915. Have no death date for Anna SMITH KUHN. They are the parents of my great-grandmother Adda/Ada KUHN born 1878--died 1931 in Carlisle who married Harry MYERS born 1872--died 1949 also in Carlisle. Harry was the son of Frederick MYERS who was born 1847 and died 1915 and Maria DUNCAN--dates unknown. KUHN--SMITH and MYERS names are a good combination of hard to find names. Any help appreciated. Thanks Joanne

That was well put, Bill. The only thing I'll add is a little background on the Church of God. A Reformed pastor John Wienbrenner left the Salem Reformed Congregation in Harrisburg and several years later (around 1826) began his own congregation, first calling themselves the Winebrennarian Church and then the Church of God. Marcia Fronk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Hawk" <whsaxman@philly.infi.net> To: <PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [PACUMBER] Lutheran or Reformed? > Hal, > According to Fraise and Durand's "History of Cumberland County", Peace > Church near Shiremanstown was a German Reformed congregation. The COG in > Cumberland County started in Shippensburg as The "Union Christian Church" > about 1828, and changed its name to Church of God in 1834-35. I don't have a > specific ref. to the UCC church in Mechanicsburg, but the UCC of today grew > out of the German Reformed church. > > "Union" churches were built usually by a Reformed Congregation and a > Lutheran Congregation when neither of them could afford to go it alone. They > used the one building alternatly for services. As far as I can see, when > they got big enough to afford their own church, these buildings would later > end up being held by one of the congregations, and the other one would build > a new one. > > Anybody else care to chime in? > > Bill

Hal, According to Fraise and Durand's "History of Cumberland County", Peace Church near Shiremanstown was a German Reformed congregation. The COG in Cumberland County started in Shippensburg as The "Union Christian Church" about 1828, and changed its name to Church of God in 1834-35. I don't have a specific ref. to the UCC church in Mechanicsburg, but the UCC of today grew out of the German Reformed church. "Union" churches were built usually by a Reformed Congregation and a Lutheran Congregation when neither of them could afford to go it alone. They used the one building alternatly for services. As far as I can see, when they got big enough to afford their own church, these buildings would later end up being held by one of the congregations, and the other one would build a new one. Anybody else care to chime in? Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hal Laube" <zzurlauben@mindspring.com> To: <PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:56 PM Subject: [PACUMBER] Lutheran or Reformed? > In the east end of Cumberland County in the early 1800's were St. Paul's > United Church of Christ, Mechanicsburg and nearby Camp Hill Church of God > Lutheran or Reformed? Or maybe United meant union? I understand these > churches were splinters or children of Peace Church. .....

We have from Shenk's Cemetery Katharine KINDER dying in 1817. It appears that her spouse Philip had died previously. Were they the parents of the Elizabeth Kinder who married George Mater in Evangelical Lutheran Church, Carlisle, August 21, 1823. She seems to have been an orphan at the age of 22. Did she go to Cumberland County to live with a married sister? Hal

Hi Marjorie: Well... that's a good question! I thought I'd be able to go to the censuses and find the parents of Sarah E. LOGAN - but it's not going to be that easy! I found Sarah E. LOGAN living with her grandparents, George and Elizabeth KNOUSE in 1880 and 1870. I then found George and Elizabeth with their own children in 1860. Transcribe censuses below: 1880 Cumberland Co., PA. Census pg.10; Frankford Twp.; 5&7-Jun-1880 KNOUSE George 59 Farmer PA/PA/PA " Elizabeth 63 Wife " " " LOGAN Sarah E. 13 G-Daugh. Single Servant Attended School Can't Write PA/PA/PA 1870 Cumberland Co., PA. Census pg.61; Frankford Twp.; PO: Bloserville; 14-Jul-1870 KNOUSE George 45 Farmer b.PA Male Citizen of US " Elizabeth 51 Keeping House RE$1600 PE$300 b.PA " George W. 14 b.PA Attended School " Susan 11 " " " " LOGAN Sarah E. 3 " " 1860 Cumberland Co., PA. Census pg.338; Mifflin Twp.; PO: Newville; 6-Jul-1860 NOUSE George 37 Farmer PE$200 b.PA " Eliz 40 " " Leah 13 " Attended School " Saml. 10 " " " " Geo. 6 " " " " John 6 " " Susan 1 " Looking over the other LOGANs that were in the township and were having children - there could be several possibilities: James (b.ca.1808 d.pre 1880) and Lida E. (b.ca.1833 - after her husband's death she married James R. WALKER) LOGAN ---- or ---- James D. (b.1794 d.1869) and Lydia Catherine (b.1828) LOGAN. I was unable to find other LOGANs in Frankford Twp. to see if they had any other children about the same age as Sarah E. - in 1870. Do you by chance know when Sarah E. LOGAN died? And where buried? If so, you can request her Death Certificate if she died after 1905 in Pennsylvania. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marjorie White" <white@lindsaycomp.on.ca> To: <PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [PACUMBER] LOGAN - PECK - MORRISON - READER - HARTMAN > Hi Donna: > The LOGAN that I am looking for is Sarah E. Logan, Grandaughter of George & > Elizabeth Knouse in the 1880 Census for Frankford Twp. Sarah would have > been born about 1867 and was living with her Grandparents at that time. Do > not know who her parents were. Any information would be greatly > appreciated. > Marjorie White, > Ontario, Canada > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Heller Zinn" <djzinn@pa.net> > To: <PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 5:01 PM > Subject: [PACUMBER] LOGAN - PECK - MORRISON - READER - HARTMAN > > > > Hi Marjorie and fellow Listers: > > > > I am researching the LOGANs also. My connection is through Anna Margaret > > LOGAN (b.27-Sep-1859 Cumb.Co. d.27-Dec-1922 West Pennsboro Twp., Cumb.Co. > > bd. in Plainfield Bethel Graveyard, West Pennsboro Twp., Cumb.Co. d/o > James > > D. and Lydia Catherine PECK LOGAN) who md. 8-Apr-1880 in St. Matthias' > > Lutheran Church, Carlisle Springs, Middlesex Twp., Cumb.Co. to George > Wesley > > [Westley] MORRISON (b.27-Mar-1856 d.26-Feb-1935). > > > > James D[ouglas] LOGAN (b.28-Apr-1794 d.30-May-1869 bd. in Salem Stone > > Church Cemetery, Lower Frankford Twp., Cumb.Co.) md. Lydia Catherine PECK > > (b.8-Jan-1828 in Cumb.Co. d.17-Dec-1909 Frankford Twp., Cumb.Co. bd. in > > Salem Stone Church Cemetery d/o Frederick and Catharine READER PECK). > > > > ** James D. and Lydia Catherine PECK LOGAN had the following children: > > ** Cora E. (b.1845 d.pre.1909) > > ** Mary E. "Margaretta" (b.1848 d.post 1909) > > ** George W. (b.1850 d.pre.1909) > > ** James H.[A.] (b.1851 d.post 1909) > > ** Elizabeth J. (b.1855 d.pre.1909) > > ** Anna Margaret (see above) > > ** Laura F. (b.12-Jul-1861 d.12-Mar-1895 > > md. Adolphus Gustaves MORRISON (brother to George Westley above) > > ** Martha A[lice] (b.1864 d.post 1909 md. _____ HARTMAN) > > > > Anything look familiar? > > Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Marjorie White" <white@lindsaycomp.on.ca> > > To: <PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:30 PM > > Subject: [PACUMBER] Surname Interests > > > > > > > I'm new to your List. The Surnames I am looking for are: > > > > > > Grove > > > Diller > > > Knouse > > > Logan > > > > > > all of Frankford Twp., Cumberland County. > > > > > > Would love to hear from anyone researching these names. > > > > > > Marjorie White, > > > Ontario, Canada > > > > > > > > > ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > > > Search this mail list. > > > Just type in pacumber or PACUMBER. > > > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > > Need to find a location?? > > http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > Visit Cumberland County USGenweb and get the latest updates! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacumber/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

In the east end of Cumberland County in the early 1800's were St. Paul's United Church of Christ, Mechanicsburg and nearby Camp Hill Church of God Lutheran or Reformed? Or maybe United meant union? I understand these churches were splinters or children of Peace Church. Would it be fair to say that the congregation of Peace Church at that time could not make up their mind which they were? regards to the list Hal

Hi Kathy and fellow listers: This PATCH VALLEY is more than likely PATH VALLEY. Path Valley is in two parts now - Upper and Lower. These valley's can be found in the area of western Juniata Co. / northeastern Franklin Co. / southeastern Huntingdon Co.. Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumb.Co., PA. ----- Original Message ----- From: <KKelly106@aol.com> To: <PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:44 AM Subject: [PACUMBER] Patch Valley > Has anyone ever heard of this place? Reference was made to it from a Rev. > War document, so it may be in another county formed from Cumberland. > > Thanks, > Kathy > > > ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > Search this mail list. > Just type in pacumber or PACUMBER. > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >