Thanks for the favorable comments regarding my recent email. And also, thanks to COL Patterson for his Cumb. Co. Will Index research. It does give a good snap-shot as to where the population centers were in the early days. In my letter, for some unknown reason, my quotation marks became "mathematical equations!" So, if you have trouble reading my sentences, simply substitute quote marks for all of the numbers, etc.....Max

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: McKean, McClure Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/3508 Message Board Post: Looking for infomation on McKean family that emigrated from Northern Ireland, likely County Down, in about 1818 to Cumberland County. Father of family is Archibald McKean, wife Sarah _______, children: Margaret, Catherine, James, John, William, Samuel, Jane. In about 1820 the family moved on to Mercer Co., PA. What is known is that Archibald died between 1818-1820 in Newville, Cumberland Co. The family were Presbyterians. Can anyone help me with info on Archibald's death ? Or other Cumberland Co. info ? Thanks in advance Bob

Hi Max and Thera.... you never have to appologize for such great info. You caused me do something that I have been meaning to for a while. An analysis of some early cumberland Co wills. Did what we show on the web [from Thera!!] for Will Books A-B 1750-1776, which includes about 10-12 from the late 1740's from Lancaster Co. To be sure, not everyone had a will.... and those closer to the county seat of Carlisle were apt to have more than the outlying areas. But it gives some idea where people died, and therefor LIVED....... This is what is looks like..... OF special interest re Shippensburg..... which was in the Hopewell Township area before is gained a name as a town. Hopewell Township included the entire eastern part of Cumberland including a large section that became Franklin Co. First time Shippensburg appears as a location on a will was 1757 the earliest of the FOUR recorded wills during this 26 year period. [Hardly a town of 5000!!] Shippensburg listed wills: 22 June 1774. B. 171. 5 April 1770. B. 37-38. 8 November 1757. A. 46-8. 4 November 1760. A. 69. 2 Air Township. 5 Allen. 22 Antrim Township. 1 Armagh. 1 Bethel, Lancaster Co. 19 Carlisle 5 Cumberland Co. 15 East Pennsboro Township. 2 Fannett. 1 Fermanagh. 2 Guilford Township. 9 Hamilton Township. 26 Hopewell Township. 3 Juniata. 2 Lancaster Co., PA. 1 Lebanon Township, Lancaster Co. 1 Leck. 12 Letterkenney. 3 Lurgan. 1 Maxatony, Berks Co. 1 Middlesex, Middleton. 22 Middleton Township. 2 Milford. 1 Monohaun, York Co., Pa. 1 Newberry, York Co. 14 Newton Township. 16 Pennborough Twp. 21 Peters Township. 1 Plumstead. 2 Rye. 1 Shearman's Creek. 1 Shearman's Valley. 4 Shippensburg. 2 Toboyne. Tyboine Township. 1 Tuscarora Valley. 6 Tyrone. Terone Township. 1 Warwick Twp. 27 West Pennsboro Township. 257 Total wills with locations. 51 without location 308 total wills

Thanks for challenging my remarks about Shippensburg. It gives me an opportunity to defend the historical research done by my mentor, Rev. William T. Swaim. But first, let me say this is not an attack on the writer, Thera. She repeats what she has read from other sources, as we all do. One of the most important statements Swaim directed to me, was,”do not believe everything you read in 19th century history books. Especially the one by Rev. Conway Wing!” Wing is the person who fabricated the story about 1730 Shippensburg in his 1879 history.. Swaim found more than 2000 historical errors during his 20 years of research, I know of none that have been challenged and corrected! #1- Carlisle was the county seat selected in 1750, Shippensburg was not selected because, “As to Shippensburgh I have no occasion to say any Thing, the Lands being granted.. ...that the lands about it are unsettled for Want of Water...” PA Archives, S1. II, pg 43. (Surveyor Cookson’s report to the Governor when he recommened Carlisle). #2. There were only 7,598 inhabitants in all of western Cumberland County (Hopewell, Newton, Tyborn, West Pennsborough) when the 1790 census was taken, My estimate would be ca50-75 citizens in Shippensburg in 1750, certainly not 5000, which probably was not obtained until the late 1800s. You should also take into account that Samuel Blunston issued just 249 licenses from Jan, 1734 to July, 1736 for all of Cumberland and Franklin Counties. None to the immediate Shippensburg area in 1734, and just 16 licenses to the Middle Spring Presby. Church area, which is several miles north of Shippensburg. The log church was not built until 1737/38. It appears as if Thomas Wilson got the first license (1735) for 200 acres which might have included the Shippensburg area. Edward Shippen obtained this property 2 years later (1737) and it was located on the “Potomac Road at the half-way spring (meaning Middle Spring). #3. Widow Piper’s: Tavern Since the Great Road (current day Route 11) was not surveyed until 1743/44 and approved by Lancaster Court in May 1744. Piper’s Tavern did not exist in the 1730s. It, and two other stone mansions in Shippensburg, set exactly on the corners of Route 11 and some cross streets. The street layout came before the buildings. In addition, the surveyor’s map showed no town, even in 1744. #4. Edward Shippen was mayor of Philadelphia in 1744 and he owned land all over central Pennsylvania, he got some ground in the Hopewell Twp area but did not “develop” any of it in 1737. Stone houses were not being built in 1735 in Cumberland County, Piper’s Tavern was probably log until much later. It is unlikely that there were any Indian Tribes in the area after 1730. “Pexton Manor” (Camp Hill, Lemoyne area) was established prior to 1734 to “coax” the Indians to come back to Cumberland County. In my possession is a 75 page document by Swaim which literally demolishes the existence of Shippensburg before 1744. My apologies for such a looooong letter!......Wilmer Maxwell, Carlisle

What a fantastic letter. Thank you. I think we all needed a reminder that just because it's in a book doesn't make it true. This also goes with the biographical books so popular at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th centuries. The "facts" were told by family members, and while a lot might be accurate, an equal amount is probably not quite right. It's best to always check and double check and try to find as many supporting documents as you can find. If you can't provide proof, then at least label your research as "possible, probable, and conjecture". Barbara [email protected] wrote: >Thanks for challenging my remarks about Shippensburg. It gives me >an opportunity to defend the historical research done by my mentor, >Rev. William T. Swaim. But first, let me say this is not an attack on >the writer, Thera. She repeats what she has read from other >sources, as we all do. One of the most important statements Swaim >directed to me, was,”do not believe everything you read in 19th >century history books. Especially the one by Rev. Conway Wing!” >Wing is the person who fabricated the story about 1730 >Shippensburg in his 1879 history.. Swaim found more than 2000 >historical errors during his 20 years of research, I know of none that >have been challenged and corrected! >#1- Carlisle was the county seat selected in 1750, Shippensburg >was not selected because, “As to Shippensburgh I have no occasion >to say any Thing, the Lands being granted.. ...that the lands about it >are unsettled for Want of Water...” PA Archives, S1. II, pg 43. >(Surveyor Cookson’s report to the Governor when he recommened >Carlisle). >#2. There were only 7,598 inhabitants in all of western Cumberland >County (Hopewell, Newton, Tyborn, West Pennsborough) when the >1790 census was taken, My estimate would be ca50-75 citizens in >Shippensburg in 1750, certainly not 5000, which probably was not >obtained until the late 1800s. You should also take into account that >Samuel Blunston issued just 249 licenses from Jan, 1734 to July, >1736 for all of Cumberland and Franklin Counties. None to the >immediate Shippensburg area in 1734, and just 16 licenses to the >Middle Spring Presby. Church area, which is several miles north of >Shippensburg. The log church was not built until 1737/38. It >appears as if Thomas Wilson got the first license (1735) for >200 acres which might have included the Shippensburg area. >Edward Shippen obtained this property 2 years later (1737) >and it was located on the “Potomac Road at the half-way spring >(meaning Middle Spring). >#3. Widow Piper’s: Tavern Since the Great Road (current day >Route 11) was not surveyed until 1743/44 and approved by >Lancaster Court in May 1744. Piper’s Tavern did not exist in >the 1730s. It, and two other stone mansions in Shippensburg, >set exactly on the corners of Route 11 and some cross streets. >The street layout came before the buildings. In addition, the >surveyor’s map showed no town, even in 1744. >#4. Edward Shippen was mayor of Philadelphia in 1744 and he >owned land all over central Pennsylvania, he got some ground >in the Hopewell Twp area but did not “develop” any of it in >1737. Stone houses were not being built in 1735 in >Cumberland County, Piper’s Tavern was probably log until >much later. It is unlikely that there were any Indian Tribes in >the area after 1730. “Pexton Manor” (Camp Hill, Lemoyne area) >was established prior to 1734 to “coax” the Indians to come >back to Cumberland County. >In my possession is a 75 page document by Swaim which >literally demolishes the existence of Shippensburg before >1744. >My apologies for such a looooong letter!......Wilmer Maxwell, >Carlisle > > >==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > A quick link to the complete list of PA USGenWeb County sites. > http://www.pagenweb.org/ > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > >

Regarding the Benjamin Moore posting, here is some more data on the western end of "Olde" Cumberland County: The Penn family purchased the Cumberland Valley from the "six-nation" Indian tribe on October 11, 1736, Up until that date, white settlers were forbidden to purchase land tracts, however, in 1734 Samuel Blunston was authorized to issue licenses for the Valley tracts to over 200 settlers. The Cumberland Valley extended from the Susquehanna to the "setting sun." This was interpreted to mean where the sun set over the last mountain range (Blue Mtn) in Franklin County. Offical Pennsylvania maps show that the 1736 treaty covered all of present day Cumberland, Franklin, Adams and a northern portion of York County. Blunston issued licenses for nearly 300 tracts in these areas plus a large portion of York County, called Springettsbury Manor. This entire area belonged to Lancaster County until it established York County (including Adams) in 1749 and Cumberland (including Franklin) in 1750. Between 1736 and 1750, Lancaster established Hopewell and Pennsboro Townships with the dividing line at Newville's Big Spring. So all of current-day Franklin County was in Hopewell Twp. until 1741, 1743 when Antrim and Lurgan were formed. BENJAMIN MOOR (sic) got a Blunston license (#97) in September, 1734. It was located eight miles west of the confluence of the Middle Spring and Conodoguinet Creek. One more interesting fact, I have a deed for Maj. William Maxwell, 1748, for Rathmullen Twp., which later became Peters Twp. So Lancaster County may have had other names assigned to various areas!

have you tried to contact Bob Maley, the coordinator for Dauphin county. Believe his Maleys came from Cumberland and he may have some data on George?? Hope this helps Joe [email protected] wrote: >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Surnames: Miley/Meiley/Maley >Classification: Query > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/1006.1010.2 > >Message Board Post: > >Do you have any information on a George Maley/Meiley b. ~1798 in PA? I found him in the Cincinnati OH area in 1860 as a ME minister. I'm looking for the parents of a Benjamin Miley/Mayley/Meiley b. 1824 and thought that George may be his father. > > >==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > Search this mail list. > Just type in pacumber or PACUMBER. > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > >

This is extremely interesting information. I accessed a record last week that said that the land of Benjamin Moore (I assume the Indian trader Ben) was used as a boundary in 1741 between Antrim and Hopewell townships. Ben remained within the Hopewell townships. (When he was murdered in 1751 Shippen purchased his planation--as an interesting side note. I have Ben's estate papers from the Historical Society). But I think I have located one of his sons (Moses) in Middleton township and possibly more relatives in Peters townships. I just wish there was a way I could find out how close these townships were to each other--we are talking approximately 1750-1760. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 1:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Cumberland County map The question concerning Cumberland County townships in the mid 1750s raises many other questions! Many people do not realize that Cumberland County in 1750 stretched the entire distance across the state to OHIO. It is true that some of these western lands were still considered Indian territory (and in fact, Virginia claimed a huge chunk of PA) but it WAS Cumberland County until 1771. On that date, Bedford County was formed and it took the western half of Cumberland. This is important to genealogists because a birth. death. or marriage listed in Cumberland County (1750 to 1771) could have actually been located anywhere between the Susquehanna River and the state of Ohio. One other bothersome bit of data from the excellent Rootsweb map page is the 1733 date for settlement of Shippensburg. Referring to the Samuel Blunston license book, only one family lived near to current-day Shippensburg in 1734!!! Rev. William Swaim wrote a book calling the 1730 date a "hoax." He found that when the surveyors were laying out the "Great Road" in 1744, Shippensburg was not even mentioned, yet Rte 11 forms the main street in today's Shippensburg. This book is out of print but can be found in Carlisle and Newville historical society libraries. ______________________________

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Miley/Meiley/Maley Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/1006.1010.2 Message Board Post: Do you have any information on a George Maley/Meiley b. ~1798 in PA? I found him in the Cincinnati OH area in 1860 as a ME minister. I'm looking for the parents of a Benjamin Miley/Mayley/Meiley b. 1824 and thought that George may be his father.

Just wanted to make the point that Shippensburg was in existence before 1744: "The first Shippensburg Tavern of note was Widow Piper's Tavern located on the southwest corner of North Queen Street and East King Street. The stone house was built in 1735 by Samuel Perry on land that was formerly part of the Edward Shippen farm." (quoted from http://www.shippenplace.com/historichotels.html) "Little more than an Indian settlement near a quiet spring, the town of Shippensburg grew into a bustling village after Edward Shippen began developing the area in 1737. By 1750, nearly 5,000 Scottish and Irish people had small log cabins and dwellings in the town when it became the Cumberland County seat." (quoted from http://www.publicopiniononline.com/communities/overview/shiptour.html) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: Cumberland County map > The question concerning Cumberland County townships in the mid 1750s raises > many other questions! > Many people do not realize that Cumberland County in 1750 stretched the > entire distance across the state to OHIO. It is true that some of these > western lands were still considered Indian territory (and in fact, Virginia > claimed a huge chunk of PA) but it WAS Cumberland County until 1771. On that > date, Bedford County was formed and it took the western half of Cumberland. > This is important to genealogists because a birth. death. or marriage > listed in Cumberland County (1750 to 1771) could have actually been located > anywhere between the Susquehanna River and the state of Ohio. > One other bothersome bit of data from the excellent Rootsweb map page is > the 1733 date for settlement of Shippensburg. Referring to the Samuel Blunston > license book, only one family lived near to current-day Shippensburg in > 1734!!! Rev. William Swaim wrote a book calling the 1730 date a "hoax." He > found that when the surveyors were laying out the "Great Road" in 1744, > Shippensburg was not even mentioned, yet Rte 11 forms the main street in today's > Shippensburg. This book is out of print but can be found in Carlisle and > Newville historical society libraries. > > ______________________________

For the archives or researchers of this Ewing line: G. W. EWING Real Estate Broker Newport, Pa. Phone 567-6323 October 13, 1962 Mrs. Robert H. Hurlbutt 2319 LeClaire Street Davenport, Iowa Dear Mrs. Hurlbutt: I received your letter concerning relationship or possible connections. I don't think that we are of any relationship due to the fact that my father often said that his grandfather and one brother came into this country from Germany. I don't know what my great-grandfather's first name was; however, my grandfather's name was Samuel, and they settled in Juniata County near Port Royal. According to your letter, some of your relatives resided in Illinois. We lived in Illinois ourselves back in the early 1920's, but I am sure that they were of no relation, otherwise, I would have heard my father mention their names. There is a Howard Ewing living at 175 N. Main Street, Marysville. I understand he is an engineer on the Pannsylvania Rail Road. He is of no relationship of mine. In the Carlisle Court House the old 1800 Perry County Records are held, and not in New Bloomfield. Also residing in Carlisle there are several Ewings. The one you should contact would be William M. Ewing, Funeral Director, 630 S. Hanover Street, Carlisle, Pennsylvania. There are also an Esther M. at 712 N. Hanover Street, and a Pauline E. of 65 W. Louther Street. I am sure that these Ewings are all related, and it is very possible that you will be able to find something about your background or forefathers from either the Marysville Ewing or the Ewings from Carlisle. However, whenever, and wherever, you find a Ewing, you will find he evades hard work. Yours truly, /s/ G. W. Ewing Real Estate Broker GWE/ieh

The question concerning Cumberland County townships in the mid 1750s raises many other questions! Many people do not realize that Cumberland County in 1750 stretched the entire distance across the state to OHIO. It is true that some of these western lands were still considered Indian territory (and in fact, Virginia claimed a huge chunk of PA) but it WAS Cumberland County until 1771. On that date, Bedford County was formed and it took the western half of Cumberland. This is important to genealogists because a birth. death. or marriage listed in Cumberland County (1750 to 1771) could have actually been located anywhere between the Susquehanna River and the state of Ohio. One other bothersome bit of data from the excellent Rootsweb map page is the 1733 date for settlement of Shippensburg. Referring to the Samuel Blunston license book, only one family lived near to current-day Shippensburg in 1734!!! Rev. William Swaim wrote a book calling the 1730 date a "hoax." He found that when the surveyors were laying out the "Great Road" in 1744, Shippensburg was not even mentioned, yet Rte 11 forms the main street in today's Shippensburg. This book is out of print but can be found in Carlisle and Newville historical society libraries.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: CLARK Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/474.479 Message Board Post: Do you have any other info on the daughter Jane? Date of birth or anything else??

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: CLARK, HOCH Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/3507 Message Board Post: Does anyone know who this person's parents are or researching CLARKs?? Jane CLARK b. 9-14-1800, d. 11-11-1881 married Joseph HOCH June 1, 1830 at Middle Spring Presbyterian Church...............I've never been able to find a link with any of her family................

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: CAMPBELL, LAUTSBAUGH, LATSBAUGH Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/3506 Message Board Post: Is anyone researching CAMPBELLs that had a daughter Elizabeth/Sarah born March 15, 1824 and died March 5, 1898 married John LATSBAUGH/ LAUTSBAUGH on Jan 9, 1840 at Middle Spring Presbyterian Church? I've never been able to find out who her parents are.............

http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacumber/towns.html Jill F Lackey wrote: >Does anyone have a web site for the location of Cumberland townships in the >mid to late 1700s? > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:00 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: PACUMBER-D Digest V06 #67 > > > >==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > Need to find a location?? >http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?p=118:1:9715852903400528014 > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > >

Does anyone have a web site for the location of Cumberland townships in the mid to late 1700s? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: PACUMBER-D Digest V06 #67

Hope this census material is helpful... Series: M432 Roll: 713 Page: 105 1850 - Wayne Twp., Montgomery Co., OH - 9/10/1850 Black, Betsy - 36 - f - OH --- Jacob - 14 - m - OH --- John - 12 - m - OH --- Mary A. - 10 - f - OH 2 households later on page: Black, Jas. - 65 - m - farmer - $4,800 - PA --- Catharine - 53 - f - PA --- Roda - 14 - f - PA McCarty, Patrick - m - Ireland Series: M653 Roll: 1014 Page: 265 1860 - Taylorsville P.O., Wayne Twp., Montgomery Co., OH - 6/4/1860 Black, Cath. - 75 - f - widow - $4,000/--- - PA --- Frank - 9 - m - OH - attended school within year next household on page: Black, Precila - 34 - f - widow - $2,000/--- - OH --- Mary - 13 - f - OH - attended school within year --- Ames - 5 - m - OH - attended school within year --- Jefferson - 22 - m - laborer - OH next household on page: Black, Margt. - 35 - f - Grass. Widow - $3,000/--- - OH --- Eliza - 15 - f - housework - OH - attended school within year --- Sarah - 14 - f - OH - attended school within year --- Amanda - 12 - f - OH - attended school within year --- Chas. - 6 - m - OH - attended school within year --- Infant - 1 mo. - m - OH Good luck with your search! Debra On Apr 7, 2006, at 12:09 PM, [email protected] wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Black or Swartz or Schwartz > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/3504 > > Message Board Post: > > Looking for any information on the following family: > > James Black was born Abt. 1777 in Pa., USA, and died 05 Mar 1858 > in Wayne Twp., Mont. Co., Ohio, USA.. He married Catharine [?????] > Bef. 1801 in Pa. She was born Abt. 1772 in Pa. and died 11 Dec > 1867 in Wayne Twp., Mont. Co. Ohio. > > > ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > Visit Cumberland County USGenweb and get the latest updates! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacumber/ > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JaB.2ACE/3505 Message Board Post: I would appreciate any assistance to locate an Obituary for the following: Godfrey R. PHASEY died on 3rd October 1938 at Camp Hill, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Black or Swartz or Schwartz Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/3504 Message Board Post: Looking for any information on the following family: James Black was born Abt. 1777 in Pa., USA, and died 05 Mar 1858 in Wayne Twp., Mont. Co., Ohio, USA.. He married Catharine [?????] Bef. 1801 in Pa. She was born Abt. 1772 in Pa. and died 11 Dec 1867 in Wayne Twp., Mont. Co. Ohio.