on new houses these stars are decorative. But on many older homes, they are really big washers and nuts. To control thrust, often a long rod would be placed through the building. On the outside they would need a large plate so the rod would not pull through the masonry. Many of these plates were made in a decorative style, such as a star.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JaB.2ACE/3542 Message Board Post: I'm very curious as to the origin/background of the stars on the sides of so many houses throughout cumberland and the surrounding communities. They are usually bronze but I have seen various colors and even some with flags painted. did this originate from war times showing support and it just continues to grow or is there some other reason? As far as it being simply ornate and decorative, this is the only area I have ever seen such a wide coverage of these on old and new houses.

I don't see the Irwin connection in your post. Can you provide it? Thanks John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 3:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PACUMBER] SAMUEL FICKES This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: FICKES, IRWIN Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/3539 Message Board Post: Anyone have information on Samuel Fickes, may have been born Cumberland county, PA in about 1790-1800? I need his parents. In 1850 he lived in Adams Twp., Coshocton, Ohio. Cannot find him after that. Did he die there? His wife and children went to Coles county, Illinois. Two of the daughters married in Coles County in the 1860's. Esther was there in 1870, living with daughter Mahala and her family. Esther died about 18 January 1885 at Fairchild, Eau Claire, Wisconsin. He later married Esther Irwin, also born in PA but I don't know where. Cannot find a marriage record, so no idea where they married. Pennslyvania, Ohio? Other? I also need Esther's parents. They had children Samuel, James, Martha, Hiantha and Mahala, all born in Ohio. ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== Visit Cumberland County USGenweb and get the latest updates! http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacumber/ ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

I think a key point has been overlooked... Carlisle England is in the north of England just south of the western end of the Scottish border. The border clans spanned both sides of the border with many living in/around Carlisle. Given Cumberland County was settled circa 1750 by Scots-Irish, I think it is safe to say they named their new town after one near and dear to their hearts. For those who want more detail, I suggest they read The Steel Bonnets which describes the border clans (English & Scottish) between 1503 & 1603. John -----Original Message----- From: Donna Heller Zinn [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 2:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACUMBER] Carlisle, PA Good hot afternoon folks: I believe that the town of Carlisle, Cumberland Co., PA. was actually named for a town/city in England also called Carlisle. As for the Indian School being in Carlisle - I think it was because of the "Military school" that was already there and also because it was in the "east". Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 10:29 PM Subject: [PACUMBER] Carlisle, PA > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/3538 > What person is Carlisle, PA named for and when did he arrive? I can't find an article that specifically gives his name. Why was this town chosen for the Indian School? Any help will be appreciated. Thank you. ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== Visit the USGenWeb PA Archives page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/pafiles.htm ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: BUCKWALTER/BUCHWOLTER, LEHMAN/LEAMON, RAMER/REAMER/ROMER Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JaB.2ACE/3540 Message Board Post: Trying to identify the Henry BUCKWALTER who was mentioned in the 1846 estate papers of Johan RO"MER of Buffalo Twnshp, Perry Co., PA as the guardians of Johan's grandchildren -- the children of Johan's dau Cathrine (b. abt 1786, d. bef 1838) and Jacob LEHMAN (dates unknown). No names for the children - yet. Am looking for Henry BUCKWALTER family that had LEHMAN children living with them or where they lived in close proximity (or married) thereafter. I understand that there is a Henry BUCKWALTER reposing at the Diller Cemetery, Newville, Cumberland County, PA. This would make great sense in that other members of the extended family (BURKHOLDER, etc) were residing in that area at that time. All spellings might be wrong. Any help will be most appreciated. Have been looking for a long time. No "rational" solution seems to work -- am open to longshots. Please respond by posting or directly by email @ [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/3539.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Fickes Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/3539.1 Message Board Post: Some things you may or may not already know???? cemetery index http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/il/coles/cemeteries/index/index-f.txt Weller Twp., Richland Co., Ohio land owners in 1853 Samuel Fickes 1853 Weller 2 2 Samuel Fickis [Fickes] 1853 Weller 11 2 http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohrichla/Land-WellerTwp1853.htm SAMUEL FICKES Died 10/02/1905 Coles Co., IL http://www.iltrails.org/Coles/deaths_fg.html 1879 Taxpayers of Coles County, Mattoon George Fickes,laborer Jacob Fickes, laborer SamuelFickes, laborer http://genealogytrails.com/ill/coles/1879taxpayers2.html 1871 DELINQUENT TAX LIST Coles Co., IL Town of Mattoon Samuel Fickis 7 60 $ 20.00 $ 1.18 http://genealogytrails.com/ill/coles/1871delinquenttaxlist2.html

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Irvine Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JaB.2ACE/2877.1.1.1 Message Board Post: My Andrew Irvine lived from 1749 - 1789, came to PA with brothers, Brig. Gen. William, Dr. Matthew and James. They were sons of James Irvine, Sr and Ann Armstrong. I'm trying to make the connection, although my sources tell me that Andrew married Agnes and they had no issue. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Am searching for information on Sweesy and Coulter and it's variants in Cumberland County, Greenwood and Rye Townships 1750 - 1800 Thanks in advance for any help.

Thanks, I will give them a try. Richard Ross Dubuque, Iowa <><----------------------------------------><> Websites & Projects I Host: Wayne County, IAGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~iawayne/ Iowa Local History Network http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~rkross/ia-alhn/ Iowa History & Genealogy Project http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~rkross/iowa/ Iowa Migrations Project http://www.geocities.com/iamigrations/index.html McLean County, ILGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmclean/ Lyme, Connecticut http://www.rootsweb.com/~ctclyme/ Missouri Local History Project http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~rkross/missouri/ Surname Project - ALHN http://www.geocities.com/a2z_alhn/ Wayne County Local History Project http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/rkross/ Ross Family History Project http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~rkross/ Hugh Ross of Cumberland County, Pennsylvania http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~rkross/Ross/ County Tyrone, Northern Ireland http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirtyr/ ----Original Message Follows---- From: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PACUMBER] Probate Acquisition Question Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 14:42:25 EDT Try the Cumberland County Courthouse in Carlisle Pa. You can find their address on the Cumberland County website. Good Hunting! Liz White ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== Visit Cumberland County USGenweb and get the latest updates! http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacumber/ ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Carlisle was named for the English town of Carlisle, and we are in Cumberland County, which is also an English county. After the Civil War, and several years as a training ground for cavalry, there evidently was no need or use for the "empty" Carlisle Barracks, so an army cavalry officer, Richard H. Pratt, received permission to establish the school. He rose from Lt to Brig. General and the school operated from 1879 to 1918.

Good hot afternoon folks: I believe that the town of Carlisle, Cumberland Co., PA. was actually named for a town/city in England also called Carlisle. As for the Indian School being in Carlisle - I think it was because of the "Military school" that was already there and also because it was in the "east". Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 10:29 PM Subject: [PACUMBER] Carlisle, PA > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/3538 > What person is Carlisle, PA named for and when did he arrive? I can't find an article that specifically gives his name. Why was this town chosen for the Indian School? Any help will be appreciated. Thank you.

The 1790 Cumberland census includes Halley, Lettey, 5 persons in Division of Hopewell, Newton, Toboyne, and West Pennsboro Townships Does anyone on the list know anything about her, or her family? When did she die? Who was her hushand? Who were her children? She has always facinated me- as a woman alone in what is now western Perry County. Barbara Lynn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: FICKES, IRWIN Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/3539 Message Board Post: Anyone have information on Samuel Fickes, may have been born Cumberland county, PA in about 1790-1800? I need his parents. In 1850 he lived in Adams Twp., Coshocton, Ohio. Cannot find him after that. Did he die there? His wife and children went to Coles county, Illinois. Two of the daughters married in Coles County in the 1860's. Esther was there in 1870, living with daughter Mahala and her family. Esther died about 18 January 1885 at Fairchild, Eau Claire, Wisconsin. He later married Esther Irwin, also born in PA but I don't know where. Cannot find a marriage record, so no idea where they married. Pennslyvania, Ohio? Other? I also need Esther's parents. They had children Samuel, James, Martha, Hiantha and Mahala, all born in Ohio.

Try the Cumberland County Courthouse in Carlisle Pa. You can find their address on the Cumberland County website. Good Hunting! Liz White

Carlisle, Cumberland Co., PA, was named after Carlisle, England, which was the former "county town" of Cumberland, one of the early English shires, or counties. Thus, the town and county in PA found their direct antecedents in the "mother country." The Act of 1974 altered the county boundaries for many English counties, eliminated some entirely, and created a few amalgams of previous counties. Carlisle is now in Cumbria, made up of the old shires of Cumberland and Westmoreland, as well as parts of Lancashire and Yorkshire. Like Cumberland before it, Cumbria is one of the most northern of English counties, situated along the Scottish border along with Northumberland (county town Durham). It can get a bit confusing, as Parliament in the interim has restored a little of what was lost in 1974, i.e. the return of Rutland! As to your question about the Carlisle Indian School, I'll copy and paste the opening paragraph from the article available on Wikipedia (just Google "Carlisle Indian School Wikipedia", and you'll get the proper link). I'd recommend reading the entire piece, as it's an easy to understand summation of its history. First, though, the opening paragraph: Carlisle Indian Industrial School, (1879 - 1918), in _Carlisle, Pennsylvania_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlisle,_Pennsylvania) , the first federally supported school for _Native Americans_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States) to be established off a _reservation_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_reservation) , was founded in _1879_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1879) by _Richard Henry Pratt_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Henry_Pratt) . Pratt had an intense distrust of the _Bureau of Indian Affairs_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Bureau_of_Indian_Affairs) , began to formulate a new school model based on the _Hampton Institute_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampton_University) . The first students arrived on _October 6_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_6) , 1879. Of the 15,000+ Indian children who attended the Carlisle school over its 39 year life span, almost all returned to the reservation; at the time, Indians were not generally permitted to live off of their reservation. Unfortunately, the skills they were taught at the school were difficult to employ on the reservations. Some of the returned students, much to Pratt's dismay, joined _Buffalo Bill Cody_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Bill) 's Wild West Show. Pratt disliked the Wild West shows and was upset that he was forced to share exhibition space with Cody at the _Columbian Exposition_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Columbian_Exposition) in 1893. Proud of the fine displays recognizing the stellar accomplishments of his Indian students, Pratt railed against the exploitation of Indians for show. Hope the above helps you out. David in Richmond, VA

Would anyone know who I would write to get a copy of probate records for 1820? Richard Ross Dubuque, Iowa

Carlisle, Pennsylvania PA, borough profile (Cumberland County) - hotels, festivals, genealogy, newspapers - ePodunk Try this site. It says that Carlisle was named after the city in England

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/3538 Message Board Post: What person is Carlisle, PA named for and when did he arrive? I can't find an article that specifically gives his name. Why was this town chosen for the Indian School? Any help will be appreciated. Thank you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Stache, Byers Classification: Obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JaB.2ACE/3537 Message Board Post: Searching for the orig obit on L. Byers died Aug in 1968