This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/3555.1 Message Board Post: If he was a Civil War soldier, chances are good that his widow eventually filed for widow's pension based on his service. If she did, that file at NARA would tell you where she lived at various times until her death.

Hi Folks: There was in fact an 1890 Census. But... this census was only for the surviving Civil War soldiers and their spouses. Seeing that John was in the Civil War.... you may be able to find Susan listed as a surviving spouse. If she remarried, you may also find her by using her husband's Company and Regiment. Donna Heller Zinn of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 10:10 AM Subject: [PACUMBER] John P. Thumma / Cumberland Co., PA > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Thumma / Wolf > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/3555 > > Message Board Post: > > For years I have walked past the grave of John P. Thumma at the Rehobeth Cemtary near Walnut Bottom, Cumberland Co, PA thinking that the Thumma in the grave was probably some how related, but never thinking he was my Gr Gr Grandfather. After requesting military records, I found out very quickly that he was my Gr Gr Grandfather. He married, Susan Wolf - daugher of Joseph and Elizabeth Wolf - had two sons, served in the Civil War and died when the boys were not very old. He is last seen in the 1880 Census as Thummy. Of course without the 1890 I have no idea where Susan and the boys went. Do later find the boys with families, but would like to find out what happened to Susan. Any help greatly appreciated. Susan L. Ingram

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Thumma / Wolf Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/3555 Message Board Post: For years I have walked past the grave of John P. Thumma at the Rehobeth Cemtary near Walnut Bottom, Cumberland Co, PA thinking that the Thumma in the grave was probably some how related, but never thinking he was my Gr Gr Grandfather. After requesting military records, I found out very quickly that he was my Gr Gr Grandfather. He married, Susan Wolf - daugher of Joseph and Elizabeth Wolf - had two sons, served in the Civil War and died when the boys were not very old. He is last seen in the 1880 Census as Thummy. Of course without the 1890 I have no idea where Susan and the boys went. Do later find the boys with families, but would like to find out what happened to Susan. Any help greatly appreciated. Susan L. Ingram

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/3554 Message Board Post: Looking for information & parents on ELIZABETH MARGARET "LIZZIE" JONES, born May 1861. She married ALFRED A BARRICK before 1880 census was taken. In 1880 census with Alfred & Lizzie was his sister-in-law ELLIE JONES, age 12 (born c.1868). Does anyone have this line of Jones? I cannot find any clues as to parents. The only other reference from a family bible information is a reference to a JOHN JONES who died at age 72 (no dates given) and was a Civil War Veteran. I don't know relationship of John to Lizzie, his birth or death date. Any information or leads at all would be greatly appreciated!

Hello All, I have scanned and uploaded more pages of the book "Historical Sketch of Carlisle and Northwestern Pennsylvania". You can view it at http://www.midatlanticarchives.com Alan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/415 - Release Date: 8/9/2006

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/3553 Message Board Post: Can anyone tell me if their is a Middle Ridge in Cumberland Co. PA.??? thank you JIm Starr [email protected]

In a message dated 8/10/2006 9:06:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Map Guide to the U.S. Federal >Censuses 1790-1920 I just did a search on google and found a used bookstore that has 10 copies listed for sale at $3.00 plus shipping. Then another 15 copies available for $5.95. They have unused copies for $49.95 to $56.95. Now that is expensive! But I don't think you'll bet the $3.00 price. Connie

One of the best books I ever purchased is "Map Guide to the U.S. Federal Censuses 1790-1920" by William Thorndate & William Dollarhide. I am sure you can find it on the web some where, try google.com and put the name in the search box. This book is a map guide showing outline maps at ten-year intervals, the old county boundaries being superimposed over the modern lines. So at a quick glance you can see what counties the one you are working on was formed from. The maps start with 1790 and end with 1920. In the preface it says once the 1930 census is released they will be adding 1930 to any new editions. There may be sites on the Internet now that has the same maps but this book covers every state in the US and they are all in one book not on several different sites on the web. I do not remember what I paid for this book nor where I purchased it, I have had it for about 10 years. I can't tell you how many times I have referred to this book and it has been a great help in keeping me on track as to which county to look for records. The only thing it is lacking is the exact date of the formation for each counties. For PA that can be found at on the following website. http://www.pagenweb.org/formation.html

And it's available at various sources but very expensive! You'd do a lot better searching out websites. [email protected] wrote: >One of the best books I ever purchased is "Map Guide to the U.S. Federal >Censuses 1790-1920" by William Thorndate & William Dollarhide. I am sure you can >find it on the web some where, try google.com and put the name in the search >box. > >This book is a map guide showing outline maps at ten-year intervals, the old >county boundaries being superimposed over the modern lines. So at a quick >glance you can see what counties the one you are working on was formed from. The >maps start with 1790 and end with 1920. In the preface it says once the 1930 >census is released they will be adding 1930 to any new editions. There may >be sites on the Internet now that has the same maps but this book covers every >state in the US and they are all in one book not on several different sites on >the web. > >I do not remember what I paid for this book nor where I purchased it, I have >had it for about 10 years. I can't tell you how many times I have referred to >this book and it has been a great help in keeping me on track as to which >county to look for records. The only thing it is lacking is the exact date of >the formation for each counties. For PA that can be found at on the following >website. > > http://www.pagenweb.org/formation.html > > >==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > Search this mail list. > Just type in pacumber or PACUMBER. > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JaB.2ACE/3550.1 Message Board Post: Cumberland County was created in 1750 from Lancaster County. Northumberland Co. was created in 1752 from parts of Cumberland, Northampton, Lancaster, Berks, and Bedford Counties. PA evolved from a few original counties to the present 67 counties, so your ancestors could live in the same spot all their lives, but their records could be in 2, 3 or 4 counties because of the way the counties were created. Your library may have maps of PA at different years, showing how the counties appear.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: BALLEW Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/3552.1 Message Board Post: According to the U.S. Department of Military Affairs, BALLEW, HERBERT K PFC US Army World War II Born: 08/24/1918 Died: 09/30/1944 Buried at: Section MA Site 16 Indiantown Gap National Cemetery RR2, Box 484 Indiantown Gap Road Annville, PA 17003-9618 Picture of cemetery plot is attached. Hope this helps!

Sharon, The John Gay, that I am referring to is buried here in Pickaway Co. OHIO, We are restoring his grave his grave site. Don M. In a message dated 8/4/2006 7:14:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: This is not pertinent to your request, however: one of my ancestors, Jane Robinson, married (3) a John Gay Moore in KY. I don't know anything about him, but it appears as if he might have been named for a John Gay. Sharon Mills At 09:43 AM 8/2/2006, you wrote: >I am searching for information on John Gay, Sr. who served in the Cumberland >Co. Millitia in the Rev. War. I have an index to the Pennsylvania Archives, >Fifth Series, Volume VI. John Gay is listed in that index as being on pages >80 and 101. If any has access to this Volume VI, could you kindly look for >this John Gay and give me any particulars that this book may contain. > > Or does any one know if this information is on line > >Don Meenach > > >==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > Need to find a location?? >http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?p=118:1:9715852903400528014 > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >__________ NOD32 1.1685 (20060731) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== Visit Cumberland County USGenweb and get the latest updates! http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacumber/ ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/3552 Message Board Post: Looking for information on Cumberland County native Herbert K. Ballew (circa 1918 to 24 October 1944), the son of Oscar and Myrtle Ballew. Herbert was an Army Private First Class with the U.S. Army Finance Department in the Philippines when World War II statred. He was aboard the Japanese Hellship Arisan Maru on 24 October 1944 when it was torpedoed by the USS Shark. Herbert is still listed as Missing In Action. I have no connection with the Ballew Family. I'm conducting research for the U.S. Army Finance Corps. THANKS!! Richard [email protected] webmaster: www.military-heroes.com

Does anyone know if a man had to be a landowner to serve on a jury in the 1800's? what were the qualifications? Also, who could vote? Thanks, Ann [email protected]

This is not pertinent to your request, however: one of my ancestors, Jane Robinson, married (3) a John Gay Moore in KY. I don't know anything about him, but it appears as if he might have been named for a John Gay. Sharon Mills At 09:43 AM 8/2/2006, you wrote: >I am searching for information on John Gay, Sr. who served in the Cumberland >Co. Millitia in the Rev. War. I have an index to the Pennsylvania Archives, >Fifth Series, Volume VI. John Gay is listed in that index as being on pages >80 and 101. If any has access to this Volume VI, could you kindly look for >this John Gay and give me any particulars that this book may contain. > > Or does any one know if this information is on line > >Don Meenach > > >==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== > Need to find a location?? >http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?p=118:1:9715852903400528014 > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >__________ NOD32 1.1685 (20060731) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com

Hi Jack - The Big Spring Presbyterian Church was my family church as a teenager in Newville. This was Rev. Swaim's church and how I got to know him back in the early 1930s. In 1735, when the Cumberland Valley was part of Lancaster County, the valley was divided into Hopewell and Pennsboro Townships. So the Big Spring Church was definitely in Hopewell Twp, until Newton Twp. was formed in 1767. Then it was the Big Spring Presby. Church of Newton Twp. until Newville was established in 1790. Regarding your question about squatter's rights, I do not have any proof or source to check, but I do believe that they were able to sell their property when they found a buyer. This is probably when the term "buyer beware" first became popular. The Penn Family practically gave the land away, charging a few cents (annual quit rent) per acre per year. With the 1776-1783 Revolutionary War coming to an end, the Penns lost all of the state lands except the tracts that had been surveyed prior to 1776 into Manors or Proprietary Tenth. However, the new Pennsylvania authorities must have felt some guilt, so they also paid the Penn family about 160,000 pounds sterling to "buy" the remainder of the 45,000 square mile commonwealth. Glad you found your ancestors' farm tracts.........Max

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Good Mornin' Jim and fellow listers: There is a Northumberland Co. which lies northeast of Cumberland Co.. .... North east across the river above Dauphin Co.. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> > > Message Board Post: > > Was Cumberland Co. back in 1790-1800 also know as Northumberland Co.?? > > My records show Moses Starr bought land in Cumberland Co in the late 1700, but the 1790-1800 shows two Moses Starr's in Northumberland Co.??? > > thank you > Jim Starr [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Starr Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/3551 Message Board Post: Was Cumberland Co. back in 1790-1800 also know as Northumberland Co.?? My records show Moses Starr bought land in Cumberland Co in the late 1700, but the 1790-1800 shows two Moses Starr's in Northumberland Co.??? thank you Jim Starr [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Starr Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JaB.2ACE/3550 Message Board Post: Hi I have found my two Moses Starr's in the Census of 1790 and 1800. Shows them in Northcumberland Co. Was Cumberland Co. back in 1790-1800 also know as Cumberland Co. Jim Starr [email protected]