Simple economics also tells us that any business that does not cover operating expenses won't stay in business very long either. Dave Palmer Adina Roberts wrote: > Where we now have the privilege of using these for research? > > -----Original Message----- > From: JWB [mailto:jwb@surferie.net] > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 5:10 PM > To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > I believe everyone who wants to should pay the $15 a year, or $5 each time. > I simply don't want to. My way of supporting the Society was by donating my > books, as each was published. I won't be doing that any more, either. > > Those of you who wish to may certainly pay any fee you choose. I was just > pointing out that it will be an ever dwindling number, which seems to be the > exact opposite of what the Society should be doing. Simple economics > teaches us that a rise in cost will result in a decrease in demand. A > dramatic rise in cost will see a correspondingly dramatic decrease in > demand. Even when it was FREE, the Society was hardly overwhelmed with > patrons. I was just expressing my opinion that the Society will fail soon. > By their logic, if the number of patrons decreases by 50% due to the new > charges, they would have to RAISE the fee in order to compensate. No > business that ever tried that theory is still IN business. > > I still wish them well, as I do to those of you who will continue to > patronize them. I will just not be one of them. And I personally saw other > people walk out without paying, so I know I am not alone. And that was just > one day.... > > Jeffrey Blystone > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Palmer" <dpalmer@shentel.net> > > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 6:16 PM > > Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > > > > > > If you had been reading these emails last year, you would know that the > > historical society was forced out of the library. I don't > > > believe that anyone who owns a computer can't come up with $15 a year. > > > Dave Palmer > > > > > > Rick Polaski wrote: > > > > > > > Pardon my soap box for a minute. > > > > > > > > I have in the past and currently belong to a number of organization(s) > > that > > > > provide quite a bit > > > > of service for free to many people that have fallen on hard times or > > simply > > > > can not afford much.. I'm not trying to criticize an organization of > > > > dedicated volunteers, but being a dedicated volunteer I personally > would > > > > have a hard time imposing a > > > > fee because poor planning, decision making, or over an emotionally > > charged > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > I feel that if you make a decision, because you do not like your > > > > surroundings or how things are handled, it > > > > should not be up to the rest of us to pay for that decision. > > > > Not everyone has the where with all to pay. > > > > > > > > I originally sent out an email to try to find out what people think > and > > also > > > > to see if anyone could put the > > > > situation into proper perspective. > > > > In light of the absence of this information it seems what your saying > > is > > > > that this information should be for those fortunate enough to be able > to > > > > afford this fee no matter how it was arrived at. > > > > > > > > Also Erie, Just up the road from Meadville ( 45 miles north on I 90) > has > > a > > > > Historical Society with a free library, the only fee is 0.30 cents per > > > > photocopy. How can they obtain this level of service, for free, such a > > short > > > > distance away and Crawford County Historical can not? > > > > It still comes down to this for me, are we being charged for poor > decisi > > ons? > > > > Back in October the Historical Society Library was located in the > > Meadville > > > > Public Library ( info from this list October 2003). Why the move? Did > > the > > > > Library need more room? What was the issue for the Move? > > > > > > > > I do not mind paying the $5 for supporting any program, I also pay for > > my > > > > own mistakes and I'm not looking for a free ride. I also pay taxes, > like > > > > everyone else, some of the tax money is returned in the form of grants > > for > > > > programs like this. I believe I read a while ago Crawford County > > Historical > > > > received some of these funds. What is really going on? > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "David Palmer" <dpalmer@shentel.net> > > > > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:49 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical > > Society > > > > > > > > > Sounds like too many people are looking for a free ride. The most > you > > > > have to > > > > > pay is $15 a year. Even one visit would be worth that to me. > Instead > > of > > > > > criticizing an organization of dedicated volunteers, how about > giving > > > > them some > > > > > financial and moral support for all the good work they do? > > > > > Dave Palmer > > > > > Mount Jackson, Virginia > > > > > > > > > > Rick Polaski wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I'm Sorry Darla, I meant to send this to the List. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder why Erie can have a massive library at their Historical > > > > Society > > > > > > and > > > > > > > Meadville can not. > > > > > > > Is it because of mis management, failure to plan, no grant > writing > > > > > > > committee. Correct me if I'm wrong, but > > > > > > > didn't the CCHS have a falling out with their former host. With > > this > > > > in > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > it sounds if everyone will pay > > > > > > > for some bad decisions. If this is true I would have a hard time > > > > shelling > > > > > > > out $5 every visit. > > > > > > > What does anyone think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Darla Mader" <dsmader@qwest.net> > > > > > > > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:18 PM > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical > > Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you Rob. I have never been able to go to > Crawford > > > > County > > > > > > > > PA and I am a $15 dollar a year member too. I'm sure that > they > > have > > > > > > > > expenses in the new place and I would be happy to pay $5 to > get > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > > door. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Darla Mader > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: waltonrp@bellsouth.net [mailto:waltonrp@bellsouth.net] > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 6:33 PM > > > > > > > > To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical > > > > Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to say that everytime I have been at the Historical > > Society, > > > > the > > > > > > > > information that I was able to research was definately worth > $5. > > I > > > > live > > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > Miami, and plan to visit Crawford this year, I'll just become > a > > > > member. > > > > > > > > $15 > > > > > > > > a year is a pretty good deal for all the information that they > > > > archive > > > > > > > > there. They should have charged a long time ago IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob WALTON > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just FYI, for all of you who have used or plan to use the > > Crawford > > > > > > > > County Historical Society - they now charge a $5.00 admission > > fee. > > > > They > > > > > > > > have not widely publicized this, but since their move to the > new > > > > > > > > facility, this formerly free and open society is on the fast > > track > > > > to > > > > > > > > extinction. The new facility is smaller and much less user > > friendly > > > > > > > > than the old one. I had to work standing up for almost 2 > hours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having been there for 2 months now, they still have yet to > put > > a > > > > sign > > > > > > > > out in front of the building. 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