Pardon my soap box for a minute. I have in the past and currently belong to a number of organization(s) that provide quite a bit of service for free to many people that have fallen on hard times or simply can not afford much.. I'm not trying to criticize an organization of dedicated volunteers, but being a dedicated volunteer I personally would have a hard time imposing a fee because poor planning, decision making, or over an emotionally charged issue. I feel that if you make a decision, because you do not like your surroundings or how things are handled, it should not be up to the rest of us to pay for that decision. Not everyone has the where with all to pay. I originally sent out an email to try to find out what people think and also to see if anyone could put the situation into proper perspective. In light of the absence of this information it seems what your saying is that this information should be for those fortunate enough to be able to afford this fee no matter how it was arrived at. Also Erie, Just up the road from Meadville ( 45 miles north on I 90) has a Historical Society with a free library, the only fee is 0.30 cents per photocopy. How can they obtain this level of service, for free, such a short distance away and Crawford County Historical can not? It still comes down to this for me, are we being charged for poor decisions? Back in October the Historical Society Library was located in the Meadville Public Library ( info from this list October 2003). Why the move? Did the Library need more room? What was the issue for the Move? I do not mind paying the $5 for supporting any program, I also pay for my own mistakes and I'm not looking for a free ride. I also pay taxes, like everyone else, some of the tax money is returned in the form of grants for programs like this. I believe I read a while ago Crawford County Historical received some of these funds. What is really going on? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Palmer" <dpalmer@shentel.net> To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:49 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > Sounds like too many people are looking for a free ride. The most you have to > pay is $15 a year. Even one visit would be worth that to me. Instead of > criticizing an organization of dedicated volunteers, how about giving them some > financial and moral support for all the good work they do? > Dave Palmer > Mount Jackson, Virginia > > Rick Polaski wrote: > > > I'm Sorry Darla, I meant to send this to the List. > > > > > I wonder why Erie can have a massive library at their Historical Society > > and > > > Meadville can not. > > > Is it because of mis management, failure to plan, no grant writing > > > committee. Correct me if I'm wrong, but > > > didn't the CCHS have a falling out with their former host. With this in > > mind > > > it sounds if everyone will pay > > > for some bad decisions. If this is true I would have a hard time shelling > > > out $5 every visit. > > > What does anyone think? > > > > > > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Darla Mader" <dsmader@qwest.net> > > > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:18 PM > > > Subject: RE: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you Rob. I have never been able to go to Crawford County > > > > PA and I am a $15 dollar a year member too. I'm sure that they have > > > > expenses in the new place and I would be happy to pay $5 to get in the > > > > door. > > > > > > > > Darla Mader > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: waltonrp@bellsouth.net [mailto:waltonrp@bellsouth.net] > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 6:33 PM > > > > To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Subject: Re: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to say that everytime I have been at the Historical Society, the > > > > information that I was able to research was definately worth $5. I live > > > > near > > > > Miami, and plan to visit Crawford this year, I'll just become a member. > > > > $15 > > > > a year is a pretty good deal for all the information that they archive > > > > there. They should have charged a long time ago IMO. > > > > > > > > Rob WALTON > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just FYI, for all of you who have used or plan to use the Crawford > > > > County Historical Society - they now charge a $5.00 admission fee. They > > > > have not widely publicized this, but since their move to the new > > > > facility, this formerly free and open society is on the fast track to > > > > extinction. The new facility is smaller and much less user friendly > > > > than the old one. I had to work standing up for almost 2 hours. > > > > > > > > > > Having been there for 2 months now, they still have yet to put a sign > > > > out in front of the building. Even the paper sign on the door mentions > > > > nothing about the new entrance fee, but they approach you immediately > > > > upon entrance to demand it. > > > > > > > > > > I won't be visiting there again anytime soon, and will never again > > > > donate my work to them. It is sad to see the society go into decline so > > > > quickly. I would not be surprised to see them close permanently before > > > > long. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! The > > > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford > > County, > > > PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! The > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford County, PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

If you had been reading these emails last year, you would know that the historical society was forced out of the library. I don't believe that anyone who owns a computer can't come up with $15 a year. Dave Palmer Rick Polaski wrote: > Pardon my soap box for a minute. > > I have in the past and currently belong to a number of organization(s) that > provide quite a bit > of service for free to many people that have fallen on hard times or simply > can not afford much.. I'm not trying to criticize an organization of > dedicated volunteers, but being a dedicated volunteer I personally would > have a hard time imposing a > fee because poor planning, decision making, or over an emotionally charged > issue. > > I feel that if you make a decision, because you do not like your > surroundings or how things are handled, it > should not be up to the rest of us to pay for that decision. > Not everyone has the where with all to pay. > > I originally sent out an email to try to find out what people think and also > to see if anyone could put the > situation into proper perspective. > In light of the absence of this information it seems what your saying is > that this information should be for those fortunate enough to be able to > afford this fee no matter how it was arrived at. > > Also Erie, Just up the road from Meadville ( 45 miles north on I 90) has a > Historical Society with a free library, the only fee is 0.30 cents per > photocopy. How can they obtain this level of service, for free, such a short > distance away and Crawford County Historical can not? > It still comes down to this for me, are we being charged for poor decisions? > Back in October the Historical Society Library was located in the Meadville > Public Library ( info from this list October 2003). Why the move? Did the > Library need more room? What was the issue for the Move? > > I do not mind paying the $5 for supporting any program, I also pay for my > own mistakes and I'm not looking for a free ride. I also pay taxes, like > everyone else, some of the tax money is returned in the form of grants for > programs like this. I believe I read a while ago Crawford County Historical > received some of these funds. What is really going on? > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Palmer" <dpalmer@shentel.net> > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > > Sounds like too many people are looking for a free ride. The most you > have to > > pay is $15 a year. Even one visit would be worth that to me. Instead of > > criticizing an organization of dedicated volunteers, how about giving > them some > > financial and moral support for all the good work they do? > > Dave Palmer > > Mount Jackson, Virginia > > > > Rick Polaski wrote: > > > > > I'm Sorry Darla, I meant to send this to the List. > > > > > > > I wonder why Erie can have a massive library at their Historical > Society > > > and > > > > Meadville can not. > > > > Is it because of mis management, failure to plan, no grant writing > > > > committee. Correct me if I'm wrong, but > > > > didn't the CCHS have a falling out with their former host. With this > in > > > mind > > > > it sounds if everyone will pay > > > > for some bad decisions. If this is true I would have a hard time > shelling > > > > out $5 every visit. > > > > What does anyone think? > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Darla Mader" <dsmader@qwest.net> > > > > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:18 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you Rob. I have never been able to go to Crawford > County > > > > > PA and I am a $15 dollar a year member too. I'm sure that they have > > > > > expenses in the new place and I would be happy to pay $5 to get in > the > > > > > door. > > > > > > > > > > Darla Mader > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: waltonrp@bellsouth.net [mailto:waltonrp@bellsouth.net] > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 6:33 PM > > > > > To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical > Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to say that everytime I have been at the Historical Society, > the > > > > > information that I was able to research was definately worth $5. I > live > > > > > near > > > > > Miami, and plan to visit Crawford this year, I'll just become a > member. > > > > > $15 > > > > > a year is a pretty good deal for all the information that they > archive > > > > > there. They should have charged a long time ago IMO. > > > > > > > > > > Rob WALTON > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just FYI, for all of you who have used or plan to use the Crawford > > > > > County Historical Society - they now charge a $5.00 admission fee. > They > > > > > have not widely publicized this, but since their move to the new > > > > > facility, this formerly free and open society is on the fast track > to > > > > > extinction. The new facility is smaller and much less user friendly > > > > > than the old one. I had to work standing up for almost 2 hours. > > > > > > > > > > > > Having been there for 2 months now, they still have yet to put a > sign > > > > > out in front of the building. Even the paper sign on the door > mentions > > > > > nothing about the new entrance fee, but they approach you > immediately > > > > > upon entrance to demand it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I won't be visiting there again anytime soon, and will never again > > > > > donate my work to them. It is sad to see the society go into > decline so > > > > > quickly. I would not be surprised to see them close permanently > before > > > > > long. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > > > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! > The > > > > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford > > > County, > > > > PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! The > > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford County, > PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford County, PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Oh? Only those that have computers are allowed to research? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Palmer" <dpalmer@shentel.net> To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 6:16 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > If you had been reading these emails last year, you would know that the historical society was forced out of the library. I don't > believe that anyone who owns a computer can't come up with $15 a year. > Dave Palmer > > Rick Polaski wrote: > > > Pardon my soap box for a minute. > > > > I have in the past and currently belong to a number of organization(s) that > > provide quite a bit > > of service for free to many people that have fallen on hard times or simply > > can not afford much.. I'm not trying to criticize an organization of > > dedicated volunteers, but being a dedicated volunteer I personally would > > have a hard time imposing a > > fee because poor planning, decision making, or over an emotionally charged > > issue. > > > > I feel that if you make a decision, because you do not like your > > surroundings or how things are handled, it > > should not be up to the rest of us to pay for that decision. > > Not everyone has the where with all to pay. > > > > I originally sent out an email to try to find out what people think and also > > to see if anyone could put the > > situation into proper perspective. > > In light of the absence of this information it seems what your saying is > > that this information should be for those fortunate enough to be able to > > afford this fee no matter how it was arrived at. > > > > Also Erie, Just up the road from Meadville ( 45 miles north on I 90) has a > > Historical Society with a free library, the only fee is 0.30 cents per > > photocopy. How can they obtain this level of service, for free, such a short > > distance away and Crawford County Historical can not? > > It still comes down to this for me, are we being charged for poor decisi ons? > > Back in October the Historical Society Library was located in the Meadville > > Public Library ( info from this list October 2003). Why the move? Did the > > Library need more room? What was the issue for the Move? > > > > I do not mind paying the $5 for supporting any program, I also pay for my > > own mistakes and I'm not looking for a free ride. I also pay taxes, like > > everyone else, some of the tax money is returned in the form of grants for > > programs like this. I believe I read a while ago Crawford County Historical > > received some of these funds. What is really going on? > > > > Rick > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Palmer" <dpalmer@shentel.net> > > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:49 AM > > Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > > > > Sounds like too many people are looking for a free ride. The most you > > have to > > > pay is $15 a year. Even one visit would be worth that to me. Instead of > > > criticizing an organization of dedicated volunteers, how about giving > > them some > > > financial and moral support for all the good work they do? > > > Dave Palmer > > > Mount Jackson, Virginia > > > > > > Rick Polaski wrote: > > > > > > > I'm Sorry Darla, I meant to send this to the List. > > > > > > > > > I wonder why Erie can have a massive library at their Historical > > Society > > > > and > > > > > Meadville can not. > > > > > Is it because of mis management, failure to plan, no grant writing > > > > > committee. Correct me if I'm wrong, but > > > > > didn't the CCHS have a falling out with their former host. With this > > in > > > > mind > > > > > it sounds if everyone will pay > > > > > for some bad decisions. If this is true I would have a hard time > > shelling > > > > > out $5 every visit. > > > > > What does anyone think? > > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Darla Mader" <dsmader@qwest.net> > > > > > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:18 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you Rob. I have never been able to go to Crawford > > County > > > > > > PA and I am a $15 dollar a year member too. I'm sure that they have > > > > > > expenses in the new place and I would be happy to pay $5 to get in > > the > > > > > > door. > > > > > > > > > > > > Darla Mader > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: waltonrp@bellsouth.net [mailto:waltonrp@bellsouth.net] > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 6:33 PM > > > > > > To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical > > Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to say that everytime I have been at the Historical Society, > > the > > > > > > information that I was able to research was definately worth $5. I > > live > > > > > > near > > > > > > Miami, and plan to visit Crawford this year, I'll just become a > > member. > > > > > > $15 > > > > > > a year is a pretty good deal for all the information that they > > archive > > > > > > there. They should have charged a long time ago IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob WALTON > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just FYI, for all of you who have used or plan to use the Crawford > > > > > > County Historical Society - they now charge a $5.00 admission fee. > > They > > > > > > have not widely publicized this, but since their move to the new > > > > > > facility, this formerly free and open society is on the fast track > > to > > > > > > extinction. The new facility is smaller and much less user friendly > > > > > > than the old one. I had to work standing up for almost 2 hours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having been there for 2 months now, they still have yet to put a > > sign > > > > > > out in front of the building. Even the paper sign on the door > > mentions > > > > > > nothing about the new entrance fee, but they approach you > > immediately > > > > > > upon entrance to demand it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I won't be visiting there again anytime soon, and will never again > > > > > > donate my work to them. It is sad to see the society go into > > decline so > > > > > > quickly. I would not be surprised to see them close permanently > > before > > > > > > long. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > > > > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! > > The > > > > > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford > > > > County, > > > > > PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! The > > > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford County, > > PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford County, PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford County, PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I've stayed out of this discussion, but that last comment was insensitive. I have a computer that I bought several years ago - not the fastest, but serviceable. I was laid off from my job after coming back from surgery a year ago and haven't been able to find another job, my husband is disabled, and we're to the point of choosing between food, medications, and gas for the car. I stay on the genealogy lists for enjoyment and research, not to hear a bunch of whining and sniping. Certainly not for condescending remarks about people's financial status. Please stop this argument and get back to ancestors.

Hello, I have been watching all the e-mails about this subject and I don't know if it will help or even change anyones minds, but it seems to me instead of asking for a $5.00 entrance fee, I think it would have been better if they just asked for donations instead. I do agree what information they have is well worth the $5.00 entrance fee however, I am a strong believer in keeping genealogy free. I also wonder what right they have to charge for accessing this public information? Am I missing the mark or do they have to pay for the volunteers? It seems to me volunteers help organize and produce this information, and then the Historical Society wants to charge it's patrons, seems to me they are just trying to make a fast buck off of their decision to move, and how fair is it to the volunteers to donate their time and hard work, not to mention the researchers who have donated their material as well, while the Historical Society reaps the financial benefits? Just somethings to think about I guess. My two cents worth...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Polaski" <r.polaski@att.net> To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 5:50 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > Pardon my soap box for a minute. > > I have in the past and currently belong to a number of organization(s) that > provide quite a bit > of service for free to many people that have fallen on hard times or simply > can not afford much.. I'm not trying to criticize an organization of > dedicated volunteers, but being a dedicated volunteer I personally would > have a hard time imposing a > fee because poor planning, decision making, or over an emotionally charged > issue. > > I feel that if you make a decision, because you do not like your > surroundings or how things are handled, it > should not be up to the rest of us to pay for that decision. > Not everyone has the where with all to pay. > > I originally sent out an email to try to find out what people think and also > to see if anyone could put the > situation into proper perspective. > In light of the absence of this information it seems what your saying is > that this information should be for those fortunate enough to be able to > afford this fee no matter how it was arrived at. > > Also Erie, Just up the road from Meadville ( 45 miles north on I 90) has a > Historical Society with a free library, the only fee is 0.30 cents per > photocopy. How can they obtain this level of service, for free, such a short > distance away and Crawford County Historical can not? > It still comes down to this for me, are we being charged for poor decisions? > Back in October the Historical Society Library was located in the Meadville > Public Library ( info from this list October 2003). Why the move? Did the > Library need more room? What was the issue for the Move? > > I do not mind paying the $5 for supporting any program, I also pay for my > own mistakes and I'm not looking for a free ride. I also pay taxes, like > everyone else, some of the tax money is returned in the form of grants for > programs like this. I believe I read a while ago Crawford County Historical > received some of these funds. What is really going on? > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Palmer" <dpalmer@shentel.net> > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > > > Sounds like too many people are looking for a free ride. The most you > have to > > pay is $15 a year. Even one visit would be worth that to me. Instead of > > criticizing an organization of dedicated volunteers, how about giving > them some > > financial and moral support for all the good work they do? > > Dave Palmer > > Mount Jackson, Virginia > > > > Rick Polaski wrote: > > > > > I'm Sorry Darla, I meant to send this to the List. > > > > > > > I wonder why Erie can have a massive library at their Historical > Society > > > and > > > > Meadville can not. > > > > Is it because of mis management, failure to plan, no grant writing > > > > committee. Correct me if I'm wrong, but > > > > didn't the CCHS have a falling out with their former host. With this > in > > > mind > > > > it sounds if everyone will pay > > > > for some bad decisions. If this is true I would have a hard time > shelling > > > > out $5 every visit. > > > > What does anyone think? > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Darla Mader" <dsmader@qwest.net> > > > > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:18 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you Rob. I have never been able to go to Crawford > County > > > > > PA and I am a $15 dollar a year member too. I'm sure that they have > > > > > expenses in the new place and I would be happy to pay $5 to get in > the > > > > > door. > > > > > > > > > > Darla Mader > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: waltonrp@bellsouth.net [mailto:waltonrp@bellsouth.net] > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 6:33 PM > > > > > To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical > Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to say that everytime I have been at the Historical Society, > the > > > > > information that I was able to research was definately worth $5. I > live > > > > > near > > > > > Miami, and plan to visit Crawford this year, I'll just become a > member. > > > > > $15 > > > > > a year is a pretty good deal for all the information that they > archive > > > > > there. They should have charged a long time ago IMO. > > > > > > > > > > Rob WALTON > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just FYI, for all of you who have used or plan to use the Crawford > > > > > County Historical Society - they now charge a $5.00 admission fee. > They > > > > > have not widely publicized this, but since their move to the new > > > > > facility, this formerly free and open society is on the fast track > to > > > > > extinction. The new facility is smaller and much less user friendly > > > > > than the old one. I had to work standing up for almost 2 hours. > > > > > > > > > > > > Having been there for 2 months now, they still have yet to put a > sign > > > > > out in front of the building. Even the paper sign on the door > mentions > > > > > nothing about the new entrance fee, but they approach you > immediately > > > > > upon entrance to demand it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I won't be visiting there again anytime soon, and will never again > > > > > donate my work to them. It is sad to see the society go into > decline so > > > > > quickly. I would not be surprised to see them close permanently > before > > > > > long. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > > > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! > The > > > > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford > > > County, > > > > PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! The > > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford County, > PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford County, PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I totally agree with you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Polaski" <r.polaski@att.net> To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 5:50 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > Pardon my soap box for a minute. > > I have in the past and currently belong to a number of organization(s) that > provide quite a bit > of service for free to many people that have fallen on hard times or simply > can not afford much.. I'm not trying to criticize an organization of > dedicated volunteers, but being a dedicated volunteer I personally would > have a hard time imposing a > fee because poor planning, decision making, or over an emotionally charged > issue. > > I feel that if you make a decision, because you do not like your > surroundings or how things are handled, it > should not be up to the rest of us to pay for that decision. > Not everyone has the where with all to pay. > > I originally sent out an email to try to find out what people think and also > to see if anyone could put the > situation into proper perspective. > In light of the absence of this information it seems what your saying is > that this information should be for those fortunate enough to be able to > afford this fee no matter how it was arrived at. > > Also Erie, Just up the road from Meadville ( 45 miles north on I 90) has a > Historical Society with a free library, the only fee is 0.30 cents per > photocopy. How can they obtain this level of service, for free, such a short > distance away and Crawford County Historical can not? > It still comes down to this for me, are we being charged for poor decisions? > Back in October the Historical Society Library was located in the Meadville > Public Library ( info from this list October 2003). Why the move? Did the > Library need more room? What was the issue for the Move? > > I do not mind paying the $5 for supporting any program, I also pay for my > own mistakes and I'm not looking for a free ride. I also pay taxes, like > everyone else, some of the tax money is returned in the form of grants for > programs like this. I believe I read a while ago Crawford County Historical > received some of these funds. What is really going on? > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Palmer" <dpalmer@shentel.net> > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > > > Sounds like too many people are looking for a free ride. The most you > have to > > pay is $15 a year. Even one visit would be worth that to me. Instead of > > criticizing an organization of dedicated volunteers, how about giving > them some > > financial and moral support for all the good work they do? > > Dave Palmer > > Mount Jackson, Virginia > > > > Rick Polaski wrote: > > > > > I'm Sorry Darla, I meant to send this to the List. > > > > > > > I wonder why Erie can have a massive library at their Historical > Society > > > and > > > > Meadville can not. > > > > Is it because of mis management, failure to plan, no grant writing > > > > committee. Correct me if I'm wrong, but > > > > didn't the CCHS have a falling out with their former host. With this > in > > > mind > > > > it sounds if everyone will pay > > > > for some bad decisions. If this is true I would have a hard time > shelling > > > > out $5 every visit. > > > > What does anyone think? > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Darla Mader" <dsmader@qwest.net> > > > > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:18 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you Rob. I have never been able to go to Crawford > County > > > > > PA and I am a $15 dollar a year member too. I'm sure that they have > > > > > expenses in the new place and I would be happy to pay $5 to get in > the > > > > > door. > > > > > > > > > > Darla Mader > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: waltonrp@bellsouth.net [mailto:waltonrp@bellsouth.net] > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 6:33 PM > > > > > To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical > Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to say that everytime I have been at the Historical Society, > the > > > > > information that I was able to research was definately worth $5. I > live > > > > > near > > > > > Miami, and plan to visit Crawford this year, I'll just become a > member. > > > > > $15 > > > > > a year is a pretty good deal for all the information that they > archive > > > > > there. They should have charged a long time ago IMO. > > > > > > > > > > Rob WALTON > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just FYI, for all of you who have used or plan to use the Crawford > > > > > County Historical Society - they now charge a $5.00 admission fee. > They > > > > > have not widely publicized this, but since their move to the new > > > > > facility, this formerly free and open society is on the fast track > to > > > > > extinction. The new facility is smaller and much less user friendly > > > > > than the old one. I had to work standing up for almost 2 hours. > > > > > > > > > > > > Having been there for 2 months now, they still have yet to put a > sign > > > > > out in front of the building. Even the paper sign on the door > mentions > > > > > nothing about the new entrance fee, but they approach you > immediately > > > > > upon entrance to demand it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I won't be visiting there again anytime soon, and will never again > > > > > donate my work to them. It is sad to see the society go into > decline so > > > > > quickly. I would not be surprised to see them close permanently > before > > > > > long. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > > > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! > The > > > > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford > > > County, > > > > PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! The > > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford County, > PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford County, PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >