I'm sorry to hear about the harassment. I wasn't aware of the problems when I was there in April. I used the microfilm reader in the library and it all seemed to work well between the two bodies. I hope something can be worked out. Kathy --- Annette Lynch <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, Kathy - > > I wanted to reply to your comments. Like Bill, I am > a current HS board > member, and thus not exactly a neutral observer > First, I don't think the > library gives a fig about the potential loss (to the > library) of the HS > material They simply want our space, and want us > out. > > However, we are still negotiating with the library > board, and some of the > petty harassment seems to have come to an end, at > least for the time being. > > In addition to the financial considerations Bill > mentioned, we are also > keeping in mind the need for adequate, appropriate > accommodations for the HS > library and its collection. The MPL's initial offer > of space in another, > recently donated building sounded good on the > surface but included > restrictions which would have rendered the space > awkward and inadequate for > our needs, and tied our hands in the running of the > HS library. We are > hopeful that some of those restrictions will > dissolve during the > negotiations. > > The MPL is a lovely, handsome building, and I > understand the MPL's need for > space. However, their approach to the HS has been > to treat us as a > freeloading interloper which they could evict at > will. I think perhaps they > need a lesson in the intertwined "history" of the > two entities! > > Annette Lynch > CCHS board member > > > > > > > > > >From: Kathy Barnes <[email protected]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [Crawf'rd] report on trip to Crawford > Co. > >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:13:55 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Thank you Bill. I was in Meadville last April and > I > >know I only scratched the surface of the > information > >that is being held there in the historical society. > I > >used the microfilm reader in the library and > didn't > >realize the rift. It would be a great shame to > lose > >the historical society to a storage facility > >somewhere. > > > >Has anyone thought of reorganization? Joint > >ownership? > >I realize the library probably feels growing pains, > >but the loss of all of that wonderful material > would > >be a huge loss for the library. Would a newer > facility > >be out of the question? > > > >Kathy > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > This List is dedicated to Crawford County, > Pennsylvania. If have a problem, question, need > direction or to report a virus, please contact > Kathleen off-list at > [email protected] Thanks. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com

Hopefully this will lead to a solution to the problem faced by one of the finer historical societies, I've encountered. My original question is bringing in ideas from all over the world-and hopefully a solution can be found. (Hawaii is on the other side of the world....) Could a bond issue be brought to the voters? The wealth of information contained in the historical society is invaluable. What's the Meadville Tribune's snail mail address. Perhaps some letters to the editor will bring this problem to the forefront of the news in Meadville and more folks can be made aware of the issue of what's at stake here. Kathy Barnes Michigan Researching: Crawford Co. for Affentranger/Affantranger/Huff __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com

I am not familiar with your local political power structure in Meadville ...has anyone approached the college trustees of Allegheny College in re a cooperative agreement with the E.L. Pelletier Library ?

In a message dated 9/12/02 6:26:12 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > . I think perhaps they > need a lesson in the intertwined "history" of the two entities! > Hang in there Annette. We need you and the HS collection. Jack Moselle

Hi, Kathy - I wanted to reply to your comments. Like Bill, I am a current HS board member, and thus not exactly a neutral observer First, I don't think the library gives a fig about the potential loss (to the library) of the HS material They simply want our space, and want us out. However, we are still negotiating with the library board, and some of the petty harassment seems to have come to an end, at least for the time being. In addition to the financial considerations Bill mentioned, we are also keeping in mind the need for adequate, appropriate accommodations for the HS library and its collection. The MPL's initial offer of space in another, recently donated building sounded good on the surface but included restrictions which would have rendered the space awkward and inadequate for our needs, and tied our hands in the running of the HS library. We are hopeful that some of those restrictions will dissolve during the negotiations. The MPL is a lovely, handsome building, and I understand the MPL's need for space. However, their approach to the HS has been to treat us as a freeloading interloper which they could evict at will. I think perhaps they need a lesson in the intertwined "history" of the two entities! Annette Lynch CCHS board member >From: Kathy Barnes <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [Crawf'rd] report on trip to Crawford Co. >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:13:55 -0700 (PDT) > >Thank you Bill. I was in Meadville last April and I >know I only scratched the surface of the information >that is being held there in the historical society. I >used the microfilm reader in the library and didn't >realize the rift. It would be a great shame to lose >the historical society to a storage facility >somewhere. > >Has anyone thought of reorganization? Joint >ownership? >I realize the library probably feels growing pains, >but the loss of all of that wonderful material would >be a huge loss for the library. Would a newer facility >be out of the question? > >Kathy > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

Is there any way you could rent a building and get the county commissioners or city council to help fund it along with genealogy societies? Or is there another group that has a big enough building to share with you? I wish I could help you and give you a building but I'm in Texas. Good luck with your search. Jo Ann Clark

Bill, what can we do to help? Lisa Bail Kailua, HI -----Original Message----- From: Bill Moore [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 8:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Crawf'rd] report on trip to Crawford Co. Kathy: I won't pretend to be a disinterested reporter of the Library-Historical Society feud, since I've been a director of the Historical Society off and on for the last 20+ years. But since you asked what is going on, I thought I'd try to explain. The Meadville Public Library [MPL] leadership has decided that the Crawford Co. Historical Society [CCHS] is a freeloading tenant in the MPL building, since the MPL supplies one 20-hr./week staff member free of charge to the CCHS, and the CCHS pays no rent for the space. The MPL wants the CCHS space for library purposes, and wants to move CCHS into another library building 3 blocks away, and start charging the CCHS for staff and utilities. The CCHS cannot afford the cost [which would be about $20,000/yr. according to figures guess-timated by MPL last year, and that is more than 20% of the CCHS' present budget of $90,000/yr.] The CCHS has a modest endowment, and not many sources of income, so it is a struggle to meet the budget every year as it is. The CCHS' position is that BOTH the CCHS and the MPL are PART of the Meadville Library, Art and Historical Association [MLAHA]. The MLAHA was set up in 1879, and at that point included the MPL, the CCHS, and the now defunct Natural History Society and Art Society. The current building [built in 1925] is titled to the MLAHA, and originally housed the MPL, CCHS and the Art Society. Contributions to the MLAHA and its endowment were made by persons interested in any or all of the three organizations, as well as to the parts individually. The MPL leadership is now claiming that it is the SOLE owner of the MLAHA building and endowment, and that's why the CCHS has no right to be there. The CCHS claims that it is part of the MLAHA [as is the MPL] so it has a right to part of the building where it has been for 75 years--rent-free--as well as income from its part of the MLAHA endowment which should cover staff and upkeep costs. A gentleman in his 90's recently wrote to the editor of the Tribune and said he remembered the fund-raising campaign for the new building in 1925 and it was based on support for all three groups--the MPL, CCHS and Art Society--and NOT just the MPL. So that's the bone of contention. The CCHS would very seriously consider moving to other quarters to accomodate the MPL's space needs, if the CCHS could obtain the other space on the same terms as its present location--a free staff person and no rent. The MPL doesn't want to continue to provide the staff and space, and so the disagreement. Personally, I think it would cost the MPL substantially to build up a collection of historical books if the CCHS were no longer there. If the CCHS does have to leave the library building, and cannot afford the other space offered, I really don't know where it can go. Probably mostly into storage. CCHS does own an historic house--the Baldwin/Reynolds House museum--but, like most houses, its floors are not built to carry the weight of shelving, and the basement is too damp for book/document storage. If anyone would like to voice an opinion one way or the other--or offer suggestions--the appropriate persons would be: Ms. Gerry Deane Mr. Stephen Mizner President, CCHS President, MPL/MLAHA neither has a listed telephone number, so I presume the address for both should be 848 N. Main St., Meadville, PA 16335. Bill Moore Secretary, CCHS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Barnes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [Crawf'rd] report on trip to Crawford Co. > What's going on with the Historical Society??!! It > holds a wealth of knowledge and where better to have > it than in the library?! What can we do to help keep > it there or what will happen if it can't stay? Does > someone out there know? > > Kathy > in Michigan > Researching: Affentranger/Affantranger and Huff > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > This List is dedicated to Crawford County, Pennsylvania. 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.Annette, Is there a good way for those of us who don't live in the area but have made trips to the library for research, or have relatives and great Crawford board members that are willing to do research, can indicate that we would be highly displeased with the lose of the resource? I think many of us would be willing to help, even in small ways if we knew what was the best way to preserve this valuable resource.

I was in the Titusville, PA library this summer and was surprised to find so few Genealogy Books. My Henderson, Brawley, Mitchell, and Smith Family were from Crawford Co.,PA. I hope you find a suitable place for your books. Genealogy brings people to town. Diana M. Cronhardt of Borrego Springs, CA

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Here in Carlsbad, CA we had a lovely genealogical library sharing the mezanine at the Carlsbad Library. Since California is growing by leaps and bounds the city fathers decided to build a new main library and keep the original library as a branch. The genealogical library had outgrew the space that they were allowed on the mezanine floor. Now that the city has a new main library the genealogical library is now housed on the entire mezanine floor giving them much needed space. I have not been to Meadville and do not know the size of the town or the possibility of closed shops or buildings and etc. I suggest that you get a committee together of one or two, visit some of your more wealthy individuals that might own a building and see if they would donate the building to the historical society. Put an ad in the paper. You never kow what might turn up. In Wright Co., MO someone (who owned the building) donated an old, closed bank building to their historical society. They have a lovely sight across from the court house. This benefits you (the genealogical/historical society), the owner of the building, and the town. Where there is a will, there is a way. Sharie Oceanside, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Barnes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [Crawf'rd] report on trip to Crawford Co. > Thank you Bill. I was in Meadville last April and I > know I only scratched the surface of the information > that is being held there in the historical society. I > used the microfilm reader in the library and didn't > realize the rift. It would be a great shame to lose > the historical society to a storage facility > somewhere. > > Has anyone thought of reorganization? Joint > ownership? > I realize the library probably feels growing pains, > but the loss of all of that wonderful material would > be a huge loss for the library. Would a newer facility > be out of the question? > > Kathy > > > --- Bill Moore <[email protected]> wrote: > > Kathy: > > I won't pretend to be a disinterested reporter of > > the Library-Historical > > Society feud, since I've been a director of the > > Historical Society off and > > on for the last 20+ years. But since you asked what > > is going on, I thought > > I'd try to explain. > > The Meadville Public Library [MPL] leadership has > > decided that the Crawford > > Co. Historical Society [CCHS] is a freeloading > > tenant in the MPL building, > > since the MPL supplies one 20-hr./week staff member > > free of charge to the > > CCHS, and the CCHS pays no rent for the space. The > > MPL wants the CCHS space > > for library purposes, and wants to move CCHS into > > another library building 3 > > blocks away, and start charging the CCHS for staff > > and utilities. > > The CCHS cannot afford the cost [which would be > > about $20,000/yr. according > > to figures guess-timated by MPL last year, and that > > is more than 20% of the > > CCHS' present budget of $90,000/yr.] The CCHS has a > > modest endowment, and > > not many sources of income, so it is a struggle to > > meet the budget every > > year as it is. > > The CCHS' position is that BOTH the CCHS and the MPL > > are PART of the > > Meadville Library, Art and Historical Association > > [MLAHA]. The MLAHA was > > set up in 1879, and at that point included the MPL, > > the CCHS, and the now > > defunct Natural History Society and Art Society. > > The current building > > [built in 1925] is titled to the MLAHA, and > > originally housed the MPL, CCHS > > and the Art Society. Contributions to the MLAHA and > > its endowment were made > > by persons interested in any or all of the three > > organizations, as well as > > to the parts individually. The MPL leadership is > > now claiming that it is > > the SOLE owner of the MLAHA building and endowment, > > and that's why the CCHS > > has no right to be there. The CCHS claims that it > > is part of the MLAHA [as > > is the MPL] so it has a right to part of the > > building where it has been for > > 75 years--rent-free--as well as income from its part > > of the MLAHA endowment > > which should cover staff and upkeep costs. A > > gentleman in his 90's recently > > wrote to the editor of the Tribune and said he > > remembered the fund-raising > > campaign for the new building in 1925 and it was > > based on support for all > > three groups--the MPL, CCHS and Art Society--and NOT > > just the MPL. > > So that's the bone of contention. The CCHS would > > very seriously consider > > moving to other quarters to accomodate the MPL's > > space needs, if the CCHS > > could obtain the other space on the same terms as > > its present location--a > > free staff person and no rent. The MPL doesn't want > > to continue to provide > > the staff and space, and so the disagreement. > > Personally, I think it would cost the MPL > > substantially to build up a > > collection of historical books if the CCHS were no > > longer there. If the > > CCHS does have to leave the library building, and > > cannot afford the other > > space offered, I really don't know where it can go. > > Probably mostly into > > storage. CCHS does own an historic house--the > > Baldwin/Reynolds House > > museum--but, like most houses, its floors are not > > built to carry the weight > > of shelving, and the basement is too damp for > > book/document storage. > > If anyone would like to voice an opinion one way or > > the other--or offer > > suggestions--the appropriate persons would be: > > Ms. Gerry Deane Mr. > > Stephen Mizner > > President, CCHS > > President, MPL/MLAHA > > neither has a listed telephone number, so I presume > > the address for both > > should be 848 N. Main St., Meadville, PA 16335. > > Bill Moore > > Secretary, CCHS > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > http://news.yahoo.com > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > NO Virus warnings, seasonal greetings or private 'chit-chat' on this > list, okay! 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Thank you Bill. I was in Meadville last April and I know I only scratched the surface of the information that is being held there in the historical society. I used the microfilm reader in the library and didn't realize the rift. It would be a great shame to lose the historical society to a storage facility somewhere. Has anyone thought of reorganization? Joint ownership? I realize the library probably feels growing pains, but the loss of all of that wonderful material would be a huge loss for the library. Would a newer facility be out of the question? Kathy --- Bill Moore <[email protected]> wrote: > Kathy: > I won't pretend to be a disinterested reporter of > the Library-Historical > Society feud, since I've been a director of the > Historical Society off and > on for the last 20+ years. But since you asked what > is going on, I thought > I'd try to explain. > The Meadville Public Library [MPL] leadership has > decided that the Crawford > Co. Historical Society [CCHS] is a freeloading > tenant in the MPL building, > since the MPL supplies one 20-hr./week staff member > free of charge to the > CCHS, and the CCHS pays no rent for the space. The > MPL wants the CCHS space > for library purposes, and wants to move CCHS into > another library building 3 > blocks away, and start charging the CCHS for staff > and utilities. > The CCHS cannot afford the cost [which would be > about $20,000/yr. according > to figures guess-timated by MPL last year, and that > is more than 20% of the > CCHS' present budget of $90,000/yr.] The CCHS has a > modest endowment, and > not many sources of income, so it is a struggle to > meet the budget every > year as it is. > The CCHS' position is that BOTH the CCHS and the MPL > are PART of the > Meadville Library, Art and Historical Association > [MLAHA]. The MLAHA was > set up in 1879, and at that point included the MPL, > the CCHS, and the now > defunct Natural History Society and Art Society. > The current building > [built in 1925] is titled to the MLAHA, and > originally housed the MPL, CCHS > and the Art Society. Contributions to the MLAHA and > its endowment were made > by persons interested in any or all of the three > organizations, as well as > to the parts individually. The MPL leadership is > now claiming that it is > the SOLE owner of the MLAHA building and endowment, > and that's why the CCHS > has no right to be there. The CCHS claims that it > is part of the MLAHA [as > is the MPL] so it has a right to part of the > building where it has been for > 75 years--rent-free--as well as income from its part > of the MLAHA endowment > which should cover staff and upkeep costs. A > gentleman in his 90's recently > wrote to the editor of the Tribune and said he > remembered the fund-raising > campaign for the new building in 1925 and it was > based on support for all > three groups--the MPL, CCHS and Art Society--and NOT > just the MPL. > So that's the bone of contention. The CCHS would > very seriously consider > moving to other quarters to accomodate the MPL's > space needs, if the CCHS > could obtain the other space on the same terms as > its present location--a > free staff person and no rent. The MPL doesn't want > to continue to provide > the staff and space, and so the disagreement. > Personally, I think it would cost the MPL > substantially to build up a > collection of historical books if the CCHS were no > longer there. If the > CCHS does have to leave the library building, and > cannot afford the other > space offered, I really don't know where it can go. > Probably mostly into > storage. CCHS does own an historic house--the > Baldwin/Reynolds House > museum--but, like most houses, its floors are not > built to carry the weight > of shelving, and the basement is too damp for > book/document storage. > If anyone would like to voice an opinion one way or > the other--or offer > suggestions--the appropriate persons would be: > Ms. Gerry Deane Mr. > Stephen Mizner > President, CCHS > President, MPL/MLAHA > neither has a listed telephone number, so I presume > the address for both > should be 848 N. Main St., Meadville, PA 16335. > Bill Moore > Secretary, CCHS __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com

Thank you for explaining it Bill. I also received a copy of a newspaper article which says that the Library will start returning the CCHS mail to the post office, and will remove them from the website. These steps will certainly cause problems for genealogists. I hope the library director will rethink this if he has not already. It seems to me that the library benefits from the historical materials available through the CCHS. Also, I wonder what would become of the newspaper microfilms. Who owns them? In Beaver Falls I recently spent a couple of days using the Research Center for Beaver County and Local History, which is located in the Carnegie Free Library. They also have wonderful materials for researchers. They are partially funded by the Beaver County Commissioners, and the library "generously provides the space, utilities, and other services." Marilyn Mills Hesse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Moore" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 2:49 AM Subject: Re: [Crawf'rd] report on trip to Crawford Co. | Kathy: | I won't pretend to be a disinterested reporter of the Library-Historical | Society feud, since I've been a director of the Historical Society off and | on for the last 20+ years. But since you asked what is going on, I thought | I'd try to explain. | The Meadville Public Library [MPL] leadership has decided that the Crawford | Co. Historical Society [CCHS] is a freeloading tenant in the MPL building, | since the MPL supplies one 20-hr./week staff member free of charge to the | CCHS, and the CCHS pays no rent for the space. The MPL wants the CCHS space | for library purposes, and wants to move CCHS into another library building 3 | blocks away, and start charging the CCHS for staff and utilities. | The CCHS cannot afford the cost [which would be about $20,000/yr. according | to figures guess-timated by MPL last year, and that is more than 20% of the | CCHS' present budget of $90,000/yr.] The CCHS has a modest endowment, and | not many sources of income, so it is a struggle to meet the budget every | year as it is. | The CCHS' position is that BOTH the CCHS and the MPL are PART of the | Meadville Library, Art and Historical Association [MLAHA]. The MLAHA was | set up in 1879, and at that point included the MPL, the CCHS, and the now | defunct Natural History Society and Art Society. The current building | [built in 1925] is titled to the MLAHA, and originally housed the MPL, CCHS | and the Art Society. Contributions to the MLAHA and its endowment were made | by persons interested in any or all of the three organizations, as well as | to the parts individually. The MPL leadership is now claiming that it is | the SOLE owner of the MLAHA building and endowment, and that's why the CCHS | has no right to be there. The CCHS claims that it is part of the MLAHA [as | is the MPL] so it has a right to part of the building where it has been for | 75 years--rent-free--as well as income from its part of the MLAHA endowment | which should cover staff and upkeep costs. A gentleman in his 90's recently | wrote to the editor of the Tribune and said he remembered the fund-raising | campaign for the new building in 1925 and it was based on support for all | three groups--the MPL, CCHS and Art Society--and NOT just the MPL. | So that's the bone of contention. The CCHS would very seriously consider | moving to other quarters to accomodate the MPL's space needs, if the CCHS | could obtain the other space on the same terms as its present location--a | free staff person and no rent. The MPL doesn't want to continue to provide | the staff and space, and so the disagreement. | Personally, I think it would cost the MPL substantially to build up a | collection of historical books if the CCHS were no longer there. If the | CCHS does have to leave the library building, and cannot afford the other | space offered, I really don't know where it can go. Probably mostly into | storage. CCHS does own an historic house--the Baldwin/Reynolds House | museum--but, like most houses, its floors are not built to carry the weight | of shelving, and the basement is too damp for book/document storage. | If anyone would like to voice an opinion one way or the other--or offer | suggestions--the appropriate persons would be: | Ms. Gerry Deane Mr. Stephen Mizner | President, CCHS President, MPL/MLAHA | neither has a listed telephone number, so I presume the address for both | should be 848 N. Main St., Meadville, PA 16335. | Bill Moore | Secretary, CCHS |

Kathy: I won't pretend to be a disinterested reporter of the Library-Historical Society feud, since I've been a director of the Historical Society off and on for the last 20+ years. But since you asked what is going on, I thought I'd try to explain. The Meadville Public Library [MPL] leadership has decided that the Crawford Co. Historical Society [CCHS] is a freeloading tenant in the MPL building, since the MPL supplies one 20-hr./week staff member free of charge to the CCHS, and the CCHS pays no rent for the space. The MPL wants the CCHS space for library purposes, and wants to move CCHS into another library building 3 blocks away, and start charging the CCHS for staff and utilities. The CCHS cannot afford the cost [which would be about $20,000/yr. according to figures guess-timated by MPL last year, and that is more than 20% of the CCHS' present budget of $90,000/yr.] The CCHS has a modest endowment, and not many sources of income, so it is a struggle to meet the budget every year as it is. The CCHS' position is that BOTH the CCHS and the MPL are PART of the Meadville Library, Art and Historical Association [MLAHA]. The MLAHA was set up in 1879, and at that point included the MPL, the CCHS, and the now defunct Natural History Society and Art Society. The current building [built in 1925] is titled to the MLAHA, and originally housed the MPL, CCHS and the Art Society. Contributions to the MLAHA and its endowment were made by persons interested in any or all of the three organizations, as well as to the parts individually. The MPL leadership is now claiming that it is the SOLE owner of the MLAHA building and endowment, and that's why the CCHS has no right to be there. The CCHS claims that it is part of the MLAHA [as is the MPL] so it has a right to part of the building where it has been for 75 years--rent-free--as well as income from its part of the MLAHA endowment which should cover staff and upkeep costs. A gentleman in his 90's recently wrote to the editor of the Tribune and said he remembered the fund-raising campaign for the new building in 1925 and it was based on support for all three groups--the MPL, CCHS and Art Society--and NOT just the MPL. So that's the bone of contention. The CCHS would very seriously consider moving to other quarters to accomodate the MPL's space needs, if the CCHS could obtain the other space on the same terms as its present location--a free staff person and no rent. The MPL doesn't want to continue to provide the staff and space, and so the disagreement. Personally, I think it would cost the MPL substantially to build up a collection of historical books if the CCHS were no longer there. If the CCHS does have to leave the library building, and cannot afford the other space offered, I really don't know where it can go. Probably mostly into storage. CCHS does own an historic house--the Baldwin/Reynolds House museum--but, like most houses, its floors are not built to carry the weight of shelving, and the basement is too damp for book/document storage. If anyone would like to voice an opinion one way or the other--or offer suggestions--the appropriate persons would be: Ms. Gerry Deane Mr. Stephen Mizner President, CCHS President, MPL/MLAHA neither has a listed telephone number, so I presume the address for both should be 848 N. Main St., Meadville, PA 16335. Bill Moore Secretary, CCHS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Barnes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [Crawf'rd] report on trip to Crawford Co. > What's going on with the Historical Society??!! It > holds a wealth of knowledge and where better to have > it than in the library?! What can we do to help keep > it there or what will happen if it can't stay? Does > someone out there know? > > Kathy > in Michigan > Researching: Affentranger/Affantranger and Huff > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > This List is dedicated to Crawford County, Pennsylvania. If have a problem, question, need direction or to report a virus, please contact Kathleen off-list at [email protected] Thanks. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Betty Lyman P Greene in Troy Twp is on the census as Green. different children living with different families. Names of others look like Breed & Haben. Troy Twp, Crawford Co, PA 8-9-1850 557 J H Breed ...38...m...b.PA ...farmer Catherine Breed ...42...f...b.NY Lyman Green........21...m..b.NY Orin Green.............11...m..b.NY Elizabeth Breed........3...f....b.PA C M Breed...........6/12..m..b.PA 558 C H Bromley...49 b. NY..(wife-Polly & 4 children) 559 C W Haben.....39 b.NY ..(&Elizabeth 27) 560 S J Bromley............26..m...b.NY....farmer Mary H Green........17 ..f....b.NY W D Haben............16..m...b.NY 561 H Green..................43 m...b.NY ...farmer Jane C Green..........31 f ...b.NY E J Robison..............8..f....b.NY E A Robison.............7..f....b.NY D E Green...........6/12..f....b.NY 562 L P Green...............29..m..b..NY...farmer Dorcas Green..........30..f....b..PA Sidney Baugher........11..m...b.PA C M Green................2..f....b.PA 563 Tho. Patterson family Evelyn

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Hi Betty, 1850, Crawford Co, Troy twp, pg 284 Lyman Green is age 21, no occupation listed, born NY, he is enumerated with J. H. Breed, age 38, farmer, value $1,000, born PA,; Catharina, age 42, born NY; then Lyman,; then Orin Green, age 11, born NY, in school,; Elizabeth Breed, age 3 born NY,; & C. M. Breed 6/12 , female, b. PA. There are other Green's and Breed's on the same page including Mary H. Green, age 17, born NY; a family with H. Green, age 43, farmer, value $200, born NY; Jane C. age 31 b. NY, E. J. Robison, age 8, female, E. A. Robison age 7, female, and D. E. Green age 6/12 all born NY. L. P. Green, age 29, farmer, value $350, born NY, Dorces age 20, Sidney Baugher, age 11, C. M. Green age 2, all born PA. If this is your family, you might want to read the actual census and check pgs before this one and after for extended family and to double check initials because some of them were hard to decipher.. Hope this helps. Rose -----Original Message----- From: Betty G. Tripp <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, September 09, 2002 9:12 PM Subject: [Crawf'rd] Lyman P. Greene >Hi >Can anyone send me the 1850 census information for Lyman P. Greene living >in Troy Twp? Thanks--Betty

Thank you, Arlene. Dick ---------------------------- Richard M. Straw Talent, OR 97540 <[email protected]> ----- Original Message ----- From: Arlene Johnson To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [Crawf'rd] Clara B. (Straw) Kepler The "Peiffer Family Tree" on file in the Crawford County Library Shows that Clara Straw married Earl Kepler, son of Newton and Hannah (Peiffer) Kepler. Newton Kepler may have served in the Civil War, Co K 150th Pa. Regiment. Peiffer records show that he died in 1894. No Hannah Kepler or Newton Kepler were found on the 1880 Census. There is a L. H. Kepler (1838-1894) son of Jacob and Margaret (Peiffer?) Kepler buried in the Vanango Cemetery. His wife, Hannah (1840-1905) is also buried there. Arlene in Utah ----- Original Message -----

The "Peiffer Family Tree" on file in the Crawford County Library Shows that Clara Straw married Earl Kepler, son of Newton and Hannah (Peiffer) Kepler. Newton Kepler may have served in the Civil War, Co K 150th Pa. Regiment. Peiffer records show that he died in 1894. No Hannah Kepler or Newton Kepler were found on the 1880 Census. There is a L. H. Kepler (1838-1894) son of Jacob and Margaret (Peiffer?) Kepler buried in the Vanango Cemetery. His wife, Hannah (1840-1905) is also buried there. Arlene in Utah ----- Original Message ----- From: LINDA GRAHAM <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Crawf'rd] Clara B. (Straw) Kepler > Dick, there IS a family in the 1880 census, Vanango Township, Crawford, Pennsylvania > consisting of: > Michal [sic] J. Straw, age 32 > Sarah Straw, age 22 > Clara Straw, age 2. > This little family would probably be where the story came that Michael J. Straw and Sarah were Clara's parents. There was, obviously, a Clara Straw born to Michael and Sarah. She would be 22 in 1900, and if she were the child the family you found in 1900, she would be away from home already. We never know how a person "hears" what the census taker says. If she "heard" the census taker say "How many children do you have and how many are still living AT HOME, her answer would have been accurate, and Clara might be hers. But, I feel I have probably just added to the confusion. At least you know that Michael, Sarah, and Clara were a family in 1880. Linda in Utah > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dick Straw > Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Crawf'rd] Clara B. (Straw) Kepler > > I seek information on the parents and husband of Clara B. Straw, who is shown in the records of the Venango Cemetery as born in 1878 and died 9 Jan 1972 under the name Clara B. (Straw) Kepler (received from James Acker, secretary of the cemetery association). She has been identified as a child of Michael J. Straw and Sarah (Gillis?). The records in the 1900 census for Venango Boro indicate that this couple was married about 1876 (24 years earlier), when they were 27 and 21 years old, resp. and Sarah reported in this census that she had had six children of whom four were living in 1900, their names listed as Walter J, Jenny G, Blanch E and Robert C., ages 4 to 18. On this basis it is doubted that Michael and Sarah were the parents of Clara B. Straw. It has been suggested that Clara was the wife of James Kepler, but I have found no evidence on this at this time. > The issue is somewhat confused by the appearance of a Clara A. Kepler in the Erie County, PA, census records. In 1900 she is listed as a daughter of Harriet Brundage, and born March 1860, age 40. She appears again in the 1920 census at age 60. > Any clues will be much appreciated. > > Dick > ---------------------------- > Richard M. Straw > Talent, OR 97540 > <[email protected]> > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > *** Tired of this LIST? Going on vacation, a business trip? *** > Send an email with one word, UNSUBSCRIBE, in the Subject and Message > area to: [email protected] Digest? Replace "L" with "D". > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > Have you visited the *NEW* RootsWeb/Ancestry Message Boards yet? Take a > tour soon & learn how time-saving those "Gateway" messages are compared > to trying to find the *new* ones on your own. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Marilyn: Thank you so much for the info. I e-mailed the Crawford County Historical Society (they are doing research for me also) and gave them your info so they can send me a copy of the page. I really appreciate your help! Darla Mader -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Hesse [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 5:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Crawf'rd] EWING/ MCMICHAEL family in Crawford County Hi Darla- One of the things I found on a recent trip to the Historical Society in the Meadville Library was "A Complete Directory of Crawford County, Pennsylvania, 1879-80...Giving the name, residence, occupation and post office address of every citizen." It was reprinted by Closson Press in July 1998. The index lists both T. Harvey McMICHAEL and Alvin McMICHAEL. They are on page 94. Unfortunately I didn't copy those pages. Perhaps someone else has it - or you could contact the Historical Society. Marilyn Mills Hesse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darla Mader" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 6:37 PM Subject: [Crawf'rd] EWING/ MCMICHAEL family in Crawford County | | I am looking for any relatives of MARGARET JANE EWING born 1832- in PA, | died 1913, in Lincoln Kansas, married to THOMAS HARVEY MCMICHAEL born | 1832 in Crawford County PA - died 1911 in Lincoln, KS. They were | married in about 1855 and had 6 children that I know of, all born in | Crawford County, PA. ALVIN EWING MCMICHAEL, born 1856, MARY MCMICHAEL, | born about 1858, MATTHEW MCMICHAEL,born 1860, JOHN MCMICHAEL,born 1863, | OSCAR RANDOLPH MCMICHAEL, born 1866 and AGNES MCMICHAEL,born 1869. | Some of them moved to Lincoln, Kansas around 1886. | | I am hoping there is someone out there familiar with this family. I am | looking for Margaret's parents and family. I would like any information | that any one has about either family. | | Thanks very much, | Darla Mader | [email protected] | | ----- | ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== Uh-Oh!!! <----- Missed or deleted a post that would put a crack in your wall? Remember, day and night, the RootsWeb Archives are always there to browse or search from http://www.rootsweb.com . ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237