Hi Mary and Todd, Todd is close on the company's locations. The Meadville Malleable Iron Co. was west of French Creek between the B&LE RR tracks and Pennsylvania Ave (that is, in Kerrtown) and just across the tracks from the sewage treatment plant. Westinghouse, later Sunbeam, was east of French Creek between the B&LE RR tracks and the Erie RR tracks and on the south side of Mercer St. I worked there during the early 50's. Both are shown on the 1954 City Engineer's map I have, latest revision Feb, 1968. Meadville had more foundries in 1910 and your ancestor could have worked in any of the others, including the Erie RR shops. It sounds like the employer name is subject to interpretation. Ever onward and backward, Dale

Mary, A one time there was a company "Meadville Malleable Iron" ie 1940s. If I remember correctly the property became the "Westinghouse Furnace Division" which shut down c1956 and was taken over by Sunbeam about the time I left Crawford Co in 1958. Good Luck, Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Dobard" <mdobard@msn.com> To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 2:45 PM Subject: [PACRAWFO] Meadville Iron Works > Listers, > I found an ancestor on the 1910 census for Meadville. His occupation was listed as "moulder" and the employer was "iron" works or "gun" works. Is anyone familiar with companies that might have been considered as iron works > in that time frame? Or perhaps a gun manufacturer? > Appreciate any responses. > Mary > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford County, PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Listers, I found an ancestor on the 1910 census for Meadville. His occupation was listed as "moulder" and the employer was "iron" works or "gun" works. Is anyone familiar with companies that might have been considered as iron works in that time frame? Or perhaps a gun manufacturer? Appreciate any responses. Mary

If you can find a directory for that time frame, you should find it, or perhaps several qualifiers, there. And also your relative, listed at his residence. Jan G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Dobard" <mdobard@msn.com> To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 11:45 AM Subject: [PACRAWFO] Meadville Iron Works > Listers, > I found an ancestor on the 1910 census for Meadville. His occupation was listed as "moulder" and the employer was "iron" works or "gun" works. Is anyone familiar with companies that might have been considered as iron works > in that time frame? Or perhaps a gun manufacturer? > Appreciate any responses. > Mary > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford County, PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

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Here is the transcription of Wright Sheldon's biography from the 1885 Crawford County History. I find it interesting that there is mention that Wright Sheldon underwent cataract surgery in the 1880s. Being an optometrist, I can only imagine what his cataract surgery and recovery must have been like without the medications and surgical techniques that are available today. Bob Wheatall 1885 Crawford County History Pages: 1043-1044 Wright Sheldon, farmer, P. O. Springboro, was born in Addison County, Vt., January 15, 1806, son of Arad and Jerusha Sheldon, native of Connecticut, who came to this township in January, 1832. Their family numbered ten children, five now living. They were members of the Baptist denomination, of which church at Springboro, Mrs. Sheldon was an original member. He died in 1868 and his widow followed him in 1870. Our subject who is third in the family, came to this county with his wife and one child in March, 1832. He was married July 1, 1824, and reared eight children, seven of whom are now living. Their son Arad was a soldier for three years during the late war, in the One Hundred and Eleventh Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry. He contracted a disease, through hardships undergone, which caused his death in the fall of 1868. The names of those living are Patience, Samuel W. Levi, Eli M. ( was in the army nine months), Theodore, Phoebe (wife of R. C. Sloan), and Judson. Mr. And Mrs. Sheldon, two sons and one daughter are members of the Baptist Church at Springboro. Our subject is owner of 150 acres of well improved land. He was almost blind for nearly two years, owing to cataracts in both eyes, but by proper treatment has greatly recovered his eyesight. In politics he is a Democrat. _________________________________________________________________ Check out the great features of the new MSN 9 Dial-up, with the MSN Dial-up Accelerator. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/

WRIGHT SHELDON, farmer, P. O. Springboro, was born in Addison County, Vt., January 15, 1806, son of Arad and Jerusha Sheldon, natives of Connecticut, who came to this township in January, 1832. Their family numbered ten children, five now living. They were members of the Baptist denomination, of which church at Springboro, Mrs. Sheldon was an original member. He died in 1868 and his widow followed him in 1870. Our subject who is third in the family, came to this county with his wife and one child in March, 1832. He was married July 1, 1824, and reared eight children, seven of whom are now living. Their son Arad was a soldier for three years during the late war, in the One Hundred and Eleventh Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry. He contracted a disease, through hardships undergone, which caused his death in the fall of 1868. The names of those living are Patience, Samuel W., Levi, Eli M.(was in the army nine months), Theodore, Phoebe (wife of R. C. Sloan), and Judson. Mr. And Mrs. Sheldon, two sons and one daughter are members of the Baptist Church at Springboro. Our subject is owner of 150 acres of well improved land. He was almost blind for nearly two years, owing to cataracts in both eyes, but by proper treatment has greatly recovered his eyesight. In politics he is a Democrat. There are also the following entries: Harriet-Andrew wife (brother of Wright) Hiram- son of Arad and Jerusha Edgar- son of Andrew James- son of Andrew Alonzo Morley- father of Eli Sheldon’s wife Horace Clark-2nd husband of Harriet(sister-in-law of Wright) Let me know if you want any of the others. Nicole Mealy >From: "Lisa Bail" <baill001@hawaii.rr.com> >Reply-To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com >To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PACRAWFO] (Samuel) Wright Sheldon >Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 23:26:55 -1000 > >Would someone with a copy of History of Crawford County be so generous >as to do a lookup of WRIGHT SHELDON for me? The website at ><http://home.alltel.net/yoset/CCo/biography/1885/Spring.html> >http://home.alltel.net/yoset/CCo/biography/1885/Spring.html appears to >have an incomplete entry excerpted from the book and reports only the >following: > >pages 1043-44 > WRIGHT SHELDON, farmer, P. O. Springboro, was born in Addison >County, Vt., January 15, 1806, son of Arad and Jerusha Sheldon, natives >of Connecticut, who came to this township in January, 1832.... > >I'd like to know what the rest of the sentence says, especially about >Arad and Jerusha, since my understanding is that they were from Vermont >and then Danville, New York, not Connecticut. > >Aloha and mahalo (thanks), >Lisa Bail >Kailua, Hawaii > > > >==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== >Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford County, >PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Create your own personal Web page with the info you use most, at My MSN. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/

Would someone with a copy of History of Crawford County be so generous as to do a lookup of WRIGHT SHELDON for me? The website at <http://home.alltel.net/yoset/CCo/biography/1885/Spring.html> http://home.alltel.net/yoset/CCo/biography/1885/Spring.html appears to have an incomplete entry excerpted from the book and reports only the following: pages 1043-44 WRIGHT SHELDON, farmer, P. O. Springboro, was born in Addison County, Vt., January 15, 1806, son of Arad and Jerusha Sheldon, natives of Connecticut, who came to this township in January, 1832.... I'd like to know what the rest of the sentence says, especially about Arad and Jerusha, since my understanding is that they were from Vermont and then Danville, New York, not Connecticut. Aloha and mahalo (thanks), Lisa Bail Kailua, Hawaii

What Shafer is this person looking for? ----- Original Message ----- From: <RetBrenham@aol.com> To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 6:50 PM Subject: [PACRAWFO] Re: PACRAWFO-D Digest V04 #20 > > > Jan, that was an excellent service you did for someone. I have Shafer's in > the area but none of those names rang a bell! > > Jean > GBA > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford County, PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Jan, that was an excellent service you did for someone. I have Shafer's in the area but none of those names rang a bell! Jean GBA

Hi all, This is from a newspaper clipping, don't know what paper or date, probably the Erie, PA Times, recently, that was sent to me by someone who thought it might be mine - because I have family in this area. However my people in this area are not FRANKs and I don't relate to these so I am passing it on to the FRANK list and the CRAWFORD and VENANGO county lists. I do not know anything more than what is here: FRANK Addie LaDora MYERS FRANK, age 86, died Wednesday, January 24, 2004, in Venango, PA. Born on March 13, 1917, daughter of the late Maurice SHAFER and Edith M. OSBORN SHAFER. Wife of the late Harry Floyd MYERS and Robert A. FRANK. Mother of Edith HALL and her husband Robert of Corry; Lynda THERASSE and her husband John of Venango, PA, Ralph MYERS and his wife, Darla, of Edinboro; Dennis MYERS of Waterford. Mother of the late Paul T. MYERS and Frederick F. MYERS. Also surviving are 16 grandchildren and many greatgrandchildren. Friends may call at the Van Matre Family Funeral Home in Cambridge Springs on Thursday from 2-4 and 7-9 and are invited to attend funeral services there on Friday at 11:00 a.m. Interment will be at Venango Cemetery. Jan

Forwarded from the message boards: If you can help, please respond back through the board at the link below. ************************************************* This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TdB.2ACI/1762 Message Board Post: I'm looking for the obituary for a Cecil E. Lyons. He died on Feb 21, 2001 in crawford county. That is all the info that I have.

Forwarded from the message boards: If you can help, please respond back through the board at the link below. ************************************************* This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TdB.2ACI/1766 Message Board Post: Is there someone who has research on Swaney that can tell me where James Swaney, born about 1813 in PA , was born and who his parents are? He came to Allen Co, OH and married Sarah Lippincott on March 28, 1839. He is my great great great grandfather. No one has been able to go further than this with the Swaney side of our family. He died between 1850 and 1860. We can not find out when exactly or where he is buried. We are working on this. There aren't any family members left who even knew about him. I'd appreciate any help. I saw someone had posted something about John Swaney Jr. who was born around the same time as James, and lived in Crawford Co.

I've "rescued" an old photograph of Mr. S.K. STELLE of Venango, Crawford Co., Pennsylvania. The photograph was taken at the Langhorne Studio in Plainfield, NJ probably in the 1890's with Mr. STELLE appearing to be in his 30's at the time. An additional photograph obtained from the same source including the same handwriting is of Mrs. M.T. FREEMAN of Crossingsville, Crawford Co., PA. The two could be related, maybe brother and sister, though I don't know for certain. I'm hoping to locate someone from this STELLE Family so that the photograph can be returned to family. If you are a member of this family or know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley

The Sons of the American Revolution have started including pictures of Tombstones of Rev War Patriots and/or their spouses in the latest edition of their SAR Patriot Index CD. If any of you are taking pictures in cemeteries and run across a Rev War grave we would appreciate a picture of it for inclusion in the next edition of the SAR Patriot Index. There are only a few requirements: 1) We need the name and location of the cemetery 2) We need a transcript of the tombstone unless it is clearly legible in the picture 3) If you e-mail the picture as an attachment send it to PatriotIndex@cfl.rr.com - NOT this list 4) Individual pictures should be scanned to produce a file in the 300,000 to 500,000 byte range or if your using a digital camera set it to produce a picture in whatever the "Medium" setting is for your camera(i.e. we want as large a picture as possible to be able to read the stone) You can read more about this at http://www.sar.org/pat_idx/ TIA for all help Doug Little Chairman, NSSAR Patriot Index Committee __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

Hello there, I have some information to exchange with you. My Glenn, Chase, Barney, Wood lines all resided in Crawford County. There is a great deal of Brawley information out there as he was very prominent in the county. I have the Glenn information. Please contact me and let me know what you need. Joanne

Correction, Lavilla was married to "Perry Shontz". I so, that explains the family relationship to the Vickers Family. My grandfather was hard of hearing from age 12, thus he did not always have his facts straight. Thanks, Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "coral" <towering.oaks@dslextreme.com> To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [PACRAWFO] Fw: Abner Frame > I think Lavinna A. and Lavilla A. were twins. It shows them in the 1870 > census as age 24 and the 1860 census as 14. There was another daughter very > young in the 1960 census. I can't put my hands on it at the moment, but she > must have died as she doesn't show up in the 1870 census. > > According to Susanna's will, Lavinna was married to William H. Vickers and > Lavilla was married to Peter Shontz. Susanna (Susan) left everything > equally to those two daughters----- The will was dated 2 Apr 1887 and was > never probated. > > I recieved an email from Virgil Calvin and he stated that Susan's maiden > name was Turner. He said he took it from the Frame family bible. > > Coral in California > > > From: "Annette Lynch" <all_lynch@hotmail.com> > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 8:26 AM > Subject: Re: [PACRAWFO] Fw: Abner Frame > > > > There is a marriage announcement for Lavilla A. Frame, daug. of Abner and > > Susanna, 1 Jan. 1877, to Perry Shontz, son of Samuel and Mary Meyler > Schontz > > (Meadville Evening-Republican, 6 Jan. 1877). > > > > Don't know Susanna's maiden name, sorry. > > > > Annette > > > > > > >From: "Bob Todd" <bobtodd32@comcast.net> > > >Reply-To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [PACRAWFO] Fw: Abner Frame > > >Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 19:53:14 -0500 > > > > > >Annette, while we're on the Frame family. > > > > > >1. Was Lavilla A "Ville" Frame Shontz (1846-1925) the wife of Perry > > >Shontz > > >the daughter of Abner and Sasanna Frame? > > > > > >2. What was Siusanna Frame's maiden name? > > > > > >Thanks in advance, Bob Todd > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Annette Lynch" <all_lynch@hotmail.com> > > >To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 7:32 PM > > >Subject: RE: [PACRAWFO] Fw: Abner Frame > > > > > > > > > > Okay, here it is. Abner Frame did not kill anyone. He was considered > > > > eccentric, did some odd things, was jealous of his wife and thought > her > > > > unfaithful with a deceased neighbor, whose ghost he supposedly thought > > >he > > > > chased through an orchard with a shotgun. He died 14 Nov. 1883, and is > > > > buried with his wife Susanna in Frame Cemetery. > > > > > > > > Abner Frame's younger sister Allie married Jonathan Hover, Jr. Among > > > > Allie's children was a son Abner Frame Hover. > > > > > > > > Abner Frame Hover's grandson, Alton V. Hover, shot his wife, Cora May > > >Foy, > > > > on 27 Dec. 1908, in Cleveland, Ohio. Alton was tried twice, > convicted, > > >and > > > > hanged at Erie, PA, on 23 Feb. 1911. Some said Alton was perfectly > > >normal, > > > > and one doctor said (about some of the odd things reported of Alton) > > >that > > > > "between puberty and full manhood, most men do a lot of mighty foolish > > > > things." However, it was conceded that he had a drinking problem, and > > > > possibly syphilis and epilepsy. There seemed to be no question that > he > > >shot > > > > his wife. > > > > > > > > The Frame and Hover families seem to have a lot of quirks, several > > >suicides, > > > > and eccentric family members. However, poor Abner Frame certainly > > >wasn't > > > > responsible for anything criminal. > > > > > > > > Annette Lynch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "coral" <towering.oaks@dslextreme.com> > > > > >Reply-To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >Subject: [PACRAWFO] Fw: Abner Frame > > > > >Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:13:34 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: coral > > > > >To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 2:54 PM > > > > >Subject: Abner Frame > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Still searching for the infamous Abner Frame------ > > > > > > > > > >I traced back to my 4th gr. grandmother who was Martha Frame , > married > > >to > > > > >Matthew Ralston. > > > > >She was born in 1798 to Thomas Frame and Mary in Fallowfield, > Crawford > > > > >County. > > > > >She had a brother named Abner born abt 1804 but I traced him thru the > > > > >censuses to 1870 listed with wife Susanna. I found an unprobated will > > >of > > > > >Susanna written in 1887 stating that Abner was deceased, so if indeed > > >he > > > > >murdered his wife, I have the wrong Abner. > > > > > > > > > >Martha and Abner had a brother named James whose son was named Abner. > I > > > > >found him in the > > > > >1870 census with wife Cevilla with two children, Edward and Charles. > > >but > > > > >they were in Mercer county. > > > > > > > > > >I am really stumped on this one. Would really appreciate any help I > can > > >get > > > > >about this. > > > > > > > > > >Thank You, > > > > >Coral > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > >----------> ALL CAPS or UPPER CASE Letters Permissible Use > <---------- > > > > >When typing a surname? YES! Absolutely! A must! For general text? > NO! > > > > >It's shouting, bad manners (Netiquette) and hard to find surnames. > > > > > > > > > >============================== > > > > >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up - fast & reliable Internet access with > > >prime > > > > features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? 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There is a marriage announcement for Lavilla A. Frame, daug. of Abner and Susanna, 1 Jan. 1877, to Perry Shontz, son of Samuel and Mary Meyler Schontz (Meadville Evening-Republican, 6 Jan. 1877). Don't know Susanna's maiden name, sorry. Annette >From: "Bob Todd" <bobtodd32@comcast.net> >Reply-To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com >To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PACRAWFO] Fw: Abner Frame >Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 19:53:14 -0500 > >Annette, while we're on the Frame family. > >1. Was Lavilla A "Ville" Frame Shontz (1846-1925) the wife of Perry >Shontz >the daughter of Abner and Sasanna Frame? > >2. What was Siusanna Frame's maiden name? > >Thanks in advance, Bob Todd > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Annette Lynch" <all_lynch@hotmail.com> >To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 7:32 PM >Subject: RE: [PACRAWFO] Fw: Abner Frame > > > > Okay, here it is. Abner Frame did not kill anyone. He was considered > > eccentric, did some odd things, was jealous of his wife and thought her > > unfaithful with a deceased neighbor, whose ghost he supposedly thought >he > > chased through an orchard with a shotgun. He died 14 Nov. 1883, and is > > buried with his wife Susanna in Frame Cemetery. > > > > Abner Frame's younger sister Allie married Jonathan Hover, Jr. Among > > Allie's children was a son Abner Frame Hover. > > > > Abner Frame Hover's grandson, Alton V. Hover, shot his wife, Cora May >Foy, > > on 27 Dec. 1908, in Cleveland, Ohio. Alton was tried twice, convicted, >and > > hanged at Erie, PA, on 23 Feb. 1911. Some said Alton was perfectly >normal, > > and one doctor said (about some of the odd things reported of Alton) >that > > "between puberty and full manhood, most men do a lot of mighty foolish > > things." However, it was conceded that he had a drinking problem, and > > possibly syphilis and epilepsy. There seemed to be no question that he >shot > > his wife. > > > > The Frame and Hover families seem to have a lot of quirks, several >suicides, > > and eccentric family members. However, poor Abner Frame certainly >wasn't > > responsible for anything criminal. > > > > Annette Lynch > > > > > > > > >From: "coral" <towering.oaks@dslextreme.com> > > >Reply-To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: [PACRAWFO] Fw: Abner Frame > > >Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:13:34 -0800 > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: coral > > >To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > > >Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 2:54 PM > > >Subject: Abner Frame > > > > > > > > >Still searching for the infamous Abner Frame------ > > > > > >I traced back to my 4th gr. grandmother who was Martha Frame , married >to > > >Matthew Ralston. > > >She was born in 1798 to Thomas Frame and Mary in Fallowfield, Crawford > > >County. > > >She had a brother named Abner born abt 1804 but I traced him thru the > > >censuses to 1870 listed with wife Susanna. I found an unprobated will >of > > >Susanna written in 1887 stating that Abner was deceased, so if indeed >he > > >murdered his wife, I have the wrong Abner. > > > > > >Martha and Abner had a brother named James whose son was named Abner. I > > >found him in the > > >1870 census with wife Cevilla with two children, Edward and Charles. >but > > >they were in Mercer county. > > > > > >I am really stumped on this one. Would really appreciate any help I can >get > > >about this. > > > > > >Thank You, > > >Coral > > > > > > > > >==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > >----------> ALL CAPS or UPPER CASE Letters Permissible Use <---------- > > >When typing a surname? YES! Absolutely! A must! For general text? NO! > > >It's shouting, bad manners (Netiquette) and hard to find surnames. > > > > > >============================== > > >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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My name is Diana Cronhardt, I am the granddaughter of Pearl L. HENDERSON b 1876 in Greeley, Colorado.d/o William Lee HENDERSON b 1850 in Oil Creek Twp, Crawford Co., PA, and Roseland V. CLARK.b 1855 in Louisa Co, Iowa or Connersville, Fayette Co, IN. d/o William M Clark and Sarah Anne Neal. GG granddaughter of William Mitchell HENDERSON b 1816 Oil Creek Twp, Crawford Co PA.and Mary Jane BRAWLEY b 1819 Randolph Twp, Crawford Co, PA d/o James BRAWLEY b 1778 and Mary"Polly" GLENN. b 1780 GGG granddaughter of Samuel HENDERSON b 1790 of and Rebecca MITCHELL b 1790 d/o Thomas MITCHELL and Mary CUNNINGHAM both buried in Oil Creek twp, Crawford Co, Pa. Samuel HENDERSON was the son of James HENDERSON who died in 1795 Mifflin Co, PA. and Sarah PARK who died in 1830 in Venango Co, PA. I would love to exchange information and collect any family stories about the early days in Crawford County and Venango County, PA. Diana of Borrego Springs, CA.