It seems that charging a fee was one of the suggestions frequently heard when the Society was trying to figure out how to make ends meet if they moved to the new facility. It will take some time to get everything organized-don't give up yet!

Just FYI, for all of you who have used or plan to use the Crawford County Historical Society - they now charge a $5.00 admission fee. They have not widely publicized this, but since their move to the new facility, this formerly free and open society is on the fast track to extinction. The new facility is smaller and much less user friendly than the old one. I had to work standing up for almost 2 hours. Having been there for 2 months now, they still have yet to put a sign out in front of the building. Even the paper sign on the door mentions nothing about the new entrance fee, but they approach you immediately upon entrance to demand it. I won't be visiting there again anytime soon, and will never again donate my work to them. It is sad to see the society go into decline so quickly. I would not be surprised to see them close permanently before long. _____________ Jeffrey W. Blystone >From the Southern Shore of beautiful Lake Erie. jwb@surferie.net http://www.surferie.net/jwb Insert Meaningless Platitude Here My fax # (603) 619-0252 ____________ For BLYSTONE books or shirts, click below: http://www.surferie.net/jwb/gift.html For BLYSTONE information, click below: http://www.surferie.net/jwb/page4.html

In the 1800 US census index there is a Jacob James in Leacock, Lancaster Co. In 1810 there are two Jacob James - one in Salisbury, Lancaster Co., and one in Dunbar, Fayette County. Maybe this will be helpful. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom & Bev Bennett<mailto:Tom.Bennett@netcare-il.com> To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 9:57 AM Subject: [PACRAWFO] Re: PACRAWFO-D Digest V04 #29 Well, we had this in family records but I admit not a birth certificate. I just trusted in the info! I now question it. Is there any way I can find out for sure? John James Sr. and his father Jacob were found in the 1820 census in Crawford, PA. Maybe I need more help than I even realized. Bev ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== ROLL CALLS? Not permitted unless instituted by the List Admin. But post your interests and areas of search often. New members join every day. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237<http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237>

Well, we had this in family records but I admit not a birth certificate. I just trusted in the info! I now question it. Is there any way I can find out for sure? John James Sr. and his father Jacob were found in the 1820 census in Crawford, PA. Maybe I need more help than I even realized. Bev

Bev: How do you know James was b. in Crawford Co. in 1802? It would be very unusual for someone to traipse all the way back east across the state to marry in 1827 in Northampton or Lehigh Co. Are you sure he wasn't born there? Bill Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom & Bev Bennett" <Tom.Bennett@netcare-il.com> To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:54 PM Subject: [PACRAWFO] Flickinger Query > List, > > I would appreciate any help on a puzzle in our family for many years now. I am searching for any siblings, and parents for John James Flickinger b. 1802 in Crawford Co, PA. He married Mary (Polly) Bevelheimer in 1827 in Northampton, Lehigh Co, PA. > > Family lore says his father's name was Jacob. I have found that almost every Flickinger/Flickner family had/has a Jacob in every generation. I cannot get back to any of the known Flickingers who came in the 1700's from Switzerland, Holland or Russia. > > Our family lore says we were from Germany and Switzerland seems the best bet there. I would appreciate any help you could give me. Bev Bennett in IL > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford County, PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Do you have the info from the History of Crawford County PA 1885? If not I can send it to you. Just let me know. Nicole >From: "teri" <sanchoinc@houston.rr.com> >Reply-To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com >To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PACRAWFO] forward::: BALDWIN - BROWN - GREEN - STANTON >Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:51:03 -0600 > >Forwarded from the message boards. If you can help, please respond back on >the board, through the link below: > >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Surnames: Baldwin, Brown, Green, Stanton >Classification: Query > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TdB.2ACI/1770 > >Message Board Post: > >I am searchig for any information on the family of Thomas Waters green who >married Mary Emeline Baldwin. >Thomas was born 1 May 1822 in Jefferson County, New York. >He settled in Richmond Township in 1840. >He married Mary Emeline Baldwin, July 7, 1845 and they had seven children: >Sarah, b. about 1847 >Pembroke, b.10 Sep 1850 m. Matilda Gertrude Brown (5 children) >Rhoda, b. about 1854 >Ann or Anna, b. about 1856 had a child names Oliver Stanton >Charles, b. about 1858 m. Mary and had at least 2 children (Thomas A. and >Abby M.) >Francis G., b. Aug 1861 m. Cora M. >Bertha Roxana, b. about 1866 > > >==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== >~ SUBJECT LINES ~ >Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! The >4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Say “good-bye” to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/

List, I would appreciate any help on a puzzle in our family for many years now. I am searching for any siblings, and parents for John James Flickinger b. 1802 in Crawford Co, PA. He married Mary (Polly) Bevelheimer in 1827 in Northampton, Lehigh Co, PA. Family lore says his father's name was Jacob. I have found that almost every Flickinger/Flickner family had/has a Jacob in every generation. I cannot get back to any of the known Flickingers who came in the 1700's from Switzerland, Holland or Russia. Our family lore says we were from Germany and Switzerland seems the best bet there. I would appreciate any help you could give me. Bev Bennett in IL

Could you please post this onto your list? I know many people appreciate knowing about these events. Thanks, Elissa --------------- Below are several genealogical educational opportunities in the Region. All welcome the public to participate and may be worth traveling to for their unique offerings! Permission is granted to crosspost. My apologies for the length but a lot of wonderful things are happening this spring! Saturday, February 21, 2004, 10:30 a.m. until 12:30 p.m. POINTers in Person Chapter 20 will meet in the Third Floor Meeting Room of the Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh, 4400 Forbes Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15213-4080. Free and open to the public. “Alphabet Soup or rather, Minestrone” is the title of our gathering as we welcome representatives from a sampling of Pittsburgh’s Italian American Organizations. The guests will give us a brief history and background of their group and explain what their main goals and yearly activities are. They will let us know about membership and meetings. Included are :Anthony J. DiNardo, President, CIAO (Coalition of Italian American Organizations), Nicholas Ciotola, Curator Italian American Exhibits, Heinz History Center, Vittorio Pugliano, President of the Calabria Club of Pittsburgh and Albert Silvio, Vice President, ISDA Western PA Italian (Sons & Daughters of America). For more information contact Rose at Rmlaudato@aol.com. Saturday, February 21, 2004, 10:00 a.m. until 12:00 p.m., Cranberry Genealogical Society will meet at the Cranberry Municipal Center, Room 6, Rochester Road, Cranberry Township, Butler County, PA. Free and open to the public. "Evaluating Sources on the Internet" will be presented by Elissa Scalise Powell, CGRS and will discuss how to best determine what you find is fact or fiction. Examples included will come from the Ellis Island database, the Bureau of Land Management database, Ancestry.com, Rootsweb, and FamilySearch. For more information contact Kara at gordonkara@zoominternet.net. Sunday, February 22 through Sunday March 28 from 1:30 p.m. to 4:30 p.m. at CCAC North Campus, 8701 Perry Highway, Pittsburgh, PA 15237, a Genealogy Course will be held which will discuss the various records that are available to researchers and how to find them on-line and in libraries and other repositories. For more information or registration you may view www.CCAC.edu under the Lifetime Learning link for course YCA-007 or call (412) 369-3700 or 412-244-5206 . Walk-ins are also welcome and there is no surcharge for out-of-county residents. "Get started on learning how to trace your ancestors and where they came from. Census, courthouse records, passengers lists, and Internet sources will all be discussed. A hands-on field trip may be taken." Monday, March 1, 2004, 7 p.m. at the Beaver County Courthouse Jury Room. Beaver County Genealogical Society meets the first Monday of each month with a very interesting program. Monday, March 8 to Monday April 5, at the Westmoreland County Historical Society's new building, 41 W. Otterman St., Greensburg, PA 15601. A set of classes will be held on Mondays beginning March 8 at 10 a.m. with tours of the Historical Society's Library and the various departments of the Westmoreland County Courthouse as well as the Greensburg-Hempfield Library. The subsequent Monday classes will be held at the WCHS beginning at 1 p.m. and include: Benefits and Drawfacks of Family, County, and Community Histories; Church and Cemetery Records; Using the Colonial Records and Pennsylvania Archives; Evaluating Sources on the Internet; Using the Federal Census, Industrial Records and Professional Genealogical Researchers. Fee is $15 for WCHS members and $20 for non-members or the entire 5 sessions for $45 members, $65 non-members. Please see www.starofthewest.org for more information. Please call 724-836-1800 to register as the website may not be up-to-date. Tuesday, March 16, 7 p.m. the North Hills Genealogists will meet at the McKnight United Methodist Church, on Braunlich Road just off McKnight Road, Pittsburgh, PA. Free and open to the public. "Coming From the Reich - Part 2" presented by Ruth Kittner is about the history of Germany and what drove our ancestors to emigrate. This month we continue on the topic of German History, with the focus on the Northside Swiss/Germans, how some of them got here, what they did when they got here, other German "encampments" around here, the role of the church in the community, etc. For more information please see www.NorthHillsGenealogists.org. Saturday, March 20, 2004, 10:30 a.m. until 12:30 p.m. POINTers in Person Chapter 20 will meet in the Third Floor Meeting Room of the Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh, 4400 Forbes Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15213-4080. Free and open to the public. For those who want to meet others with Italian heritage and learn how to research. POINT stands for Pursuing Our Italian Names Together. For more information contact Rose at Rmlaudato@aol.com. Saturday, April 17, at the Sheraton Four Points, Warrendale, PA (at the intersection of I-79 and I-76 Cranberry exit), Western PA Genealogical Society will have its Spring Seminar featuring Dr. John Philip Colletta of Washington, DC who will give four lectures. A hot buffet luncheon is included in the modest price of $35 WPGS members and $40 non-members. Topics include "Libraries, Archives and Public Record Offices: Understanding Resource Repositories," "Passenger Arrival Records," "How to Prepare for a Successful Research Trip in European Records," and "Turning Biographical Facts into Real-life Events: How to Build Historical Context." This is one worth travelling for as John Colletta is extremely knowledgeable. He is author of the books "They Came In Ships" (recognized as the how-to bible for passenger lists), "Italian Genealogy" and "Only a Few Bones." This will also be the April meeting of POINTers in Person Chapter 20. Please see www.WPGS.org for more information Tuesday, April 20th, 7 p.m., the North Hills Genealogists will meet at the McKnight United Methodist Church, on Braunlich Road just off McKnight Road, Pittsburgh, PA. Free and open to the public. "Genetic Genealogy Researching using DNA Testing." will be presented by Russ Cooper. Russ created the North East Ohio - Computer-Aided-Genealogy Society [NEOCAG] and served as President, now serving in an active Retiring President mode. Weekly volunteer at Cleveland's WRHS (Western Reserve Historical Society). Was also Program Vice President for Cleveland's ECCGS (East Cuyahoga County Genealogical Society) where programming was directed to providing "how to" monthly! For more information and directions see www.NorthHillsGenealogists.org The value of DNA testing is aiding an ability to help find “Genetic Cousins” by comparing the results of as few as two people. Males are able to see if another male is a descendant from their direct paternal line; or if a spelling change or adoption confuses relationship; is there a relationship with another family in another region or with individuals in other lineage groups. Women, thru separate testing, can establish or disprove sequencing relatedness of ancestor females. Discussion will include what is DNA testing, as a scientific tool, which involves many facets such as facilitating a unique family fingerprint; DNA signature matching and interpretation of results for surname groups or lineages; generation distance; surname/clan reconstruction and regional migration. Deciphering the terminology such as markers, mutation rates, Haplogroups, MRCA, etc. can help understanding and take the mystery out of this new genealogy tool. And how I can use public service DNA databases to further matching of my results with other DNA submitters using other commercial services for testing. Thursday April 22 through Saturday April 24, 2004, The Ohio Genealogical Society will have its annual conference in Wilmington, Ohio. With 7 lectures per hour no genealogist will lack from an interesting and educational experience. Sales exhibits will let you see products and discuss their merits before purchasing. Dr. Tom Jones, CG, CGL is the keynote speaker giving the opening lecture "Seven Habits of Highly Effective Genealogist" as well as "Five Proven Techniques for Finding Your Ancestor's European Origins" and "Solving the Myster of the Disappearing Ancestor." For more information and registration (Early Bird special until April 4) please see www.OGS.org under the 2004 conference brochure link. Saturday, May 15, 2004, 10:30 a.m. until 12:30 p.m. POINTers in Person Chapter 20 will meet in first floor Director's Room of the Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh, 4400 Forbes Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15213-4080. Free and open to the public. "Evaluating Sources on the Internet" will be presented by Elissa Scalise Powell, CGRS and will discuss how to best determine what you find is fact or fiction. Examples included will come from the Ellis Island database, the Bureau of Land Management database, Ancestry.com, Rootsweb, and FamilySearch. For more information contact Rose at Rmlaudato@aol.com Sunday June 20 through Friday June 25, The Ohio Genealogical Society will sponsor a Summer Workshop at the OGS Library in Mansfield, Ohio. Each day's theme will be presented by knowledgeable lecturers on the subjects: Basics Day, A Sense of Place, Migration Trails into Ohio, Church and State, and High Voltage Genealogy. Students will have exclusive use of the library during the evenings. Although it is possible to register for single days ($50 each day), space is limited and preference will be given to those who register for the entire workshop ($215 for OGS members, $245 for non-members). 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Forwarded from the message boards. If you can help, please respond back on the board, through the link below: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Baldwin, Brown, Green, Stanton Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TdB.2ACI/1770 Message Board Post: I am searchig for any information on the family of Thomas Waters green who married Mary Emeline Baldwin. Thomas was born 1 May 1822 in Jefferson County, New York. He settled in Richmond Township in 1840. He married Mary Emeline Baldwin, July 7, 1845 and they had seven children: Sarah, b. about 1847 Pembroke, b.10 Sep 1850 m. Matilda Gertrude Brown (5 children) Rhoda, b. about 1854 Ann or Anna, b. about 1856 had a child names Oliver Stanton Charles, b. about 1858 m. Mary and had at least 2 children (Thomas A. and Abby M.) Francis G., b. Aug 1861 m. Cora M. Bertha Roxana, b. about 1866

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Thank you, Rick, but my Mitchell was deceased by the 1940's. Regards, Mary

I will check to see what we have at the Historical Society on Thursday. Diana Volunteer for Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Dobard" <mdobard@msn.com> To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 4:56 PM Subject: [PACRAWFO] C.d., Census, and Connaut Lake > Diana, > Thank you so much for looking in the c.d. for Signor and Mitchell plus the census. I do have the 1910 census which lists Harry as residing on Market St. as a boarder - occupation "moulder". (That relates to my earlier msg about iron works.) He must have been missed in the city directory. I may have a clue, however, as on some old family notes is written "he saw Curtis fly in his machine from water". This relates to Glen Curtis, father of aviation I believe) who had a flying machine (boat) which he flew from the lake in PA. Is the Lake in Crawford County? I'll bet this relative saw Curtis and decided to learn to fly. Perhaps even did some barnstorming himself. > > Wonder if the Historical Society has the stories of Glen Curtis and his flying machine? It could account for the missing years prior to residing in Erie. He signed his WWI draft papers from Pleasant St. Erie. I have the 1920 census and some c.d.information from 1920 though 1926. > > When you go to Erie on the 23rd, IF you have time I would appreciate a look-up for the 1916-1920 city direct. for Addie Mitchell. > Please let me know what I can do for you. I do have access to the 1910 census through my local library. > Mary > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! The > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Diana, Thank you so much for looking in the c.d. for Signor and Mitchell plus the census. I do have the 1910 census which lists Harry as residing on Market St. as a boarder - occupation "moulder". (That relates to my earlier msg about iron works.) He must have been missed in the city directory. I may have a clue, however, as on some old family notes is written "he saw Curtis fly in his machine from water". This relates to Glen Curtis, father of aviation I believe) who had a flying machine (boat) which he flew from the lake in PA. Is the Lake in Crawford County? I'll bet this relative saw Curtis and decided to learn to fly. Perhaps even did some barnstorming himself. Wonder if the Historical Society has the stories of Glen Curtis and his flying machine? It could account for the missing years prior to residing in Erie. He signed his WWI draft papers from Pleasant St. Erie. I have the 1920 census and some c.d.information from 1920 though 1926. When you go to Erie on the 23rd, IF you have time I would appreciate a look-up for the 1916-1920 city direct. for Addie Mitchell. Please let me know what I can do for you. I do have access to the 1910 census through my local library. Mary

Forwarded from the Message Boards. If you can help, please respond back to the board through the link below: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: SAUNDERS - SCOTT - ROSWELL Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TdB.2ACI/1768 Message Board Post: I need Help- SAUNDERS family lived in Athens twp and raised thier familys. Warren Saunders born 1822,Pa. Farmer,parents born conn. h/w Clarrisa Born 1826 and children :Lyman Saunders-?, Willard Saunders b. 1850, Lynn son born 1857, dau-Elizabeth born 1861 dau, Alice born 1862 and Mary b.1858 also his sister Mary Saunders born 1824 Pa. liveing with them in 1880. William Saunders - born 1829 Pa parents born Conn. h/w Nancy ( Roswell?) her parents born England, she born 1840.they had son Ernest born 1867. son Fred born 1874. They had sister Elizabeth Saunders Scott- born 1815 w/o Oliver Scott ( 1860) Athens twp: they had children, Phebe Scott b.1838 and David Scott.b. 1846+ Norman Scott born 1835 I would be greatfull for any help on these familys - Historys of Saunders and Scotts of Athen twp. Pa. and any burial places or records or family descendants. I will be happy to share any information I have with anyone interested."Thank-You". Virginia D. White- Smith.

I have no immediate recollection of receiving them. Did she send them to the Genealogical Society, or me personally? When did she send them? When the GS receives such unidentified photos, we usually donate them to the Historical Society, because it has a photographic collection. Annette >From: "Pam Black" <pam045@alltel.net> >Reply-To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com >To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PACRAWFO] Annette Lynch >Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:46:41 -0500 > >I was talking to a lady Bev she went by the name of cookjar on the computer >and I talked to her on the phone this morning, she telld me she sent you >some pictures that have no names on them of a person in a sailer suit and >of a band in the park along with several others. I have reason to believe >that they could be of my fathers side. I was wondering how I may be able >to see them to see for sure. I am from Meadville and I live outside there. > Please write me. Thanks. Pam > > >==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== >Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford County, >PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Choose now from 4 levels of MSN Hotmail Extra Storage - no more account overload! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/

The Crawford County Historical Society has almost a complete set of 20th century Meadville city directories. I do not believe the Meadville Public Library keeps more than a few back years. CCHS does not yet have an operation e-mail system, after its move from the Meadville Public Library, though the technocrats keep saying it will arrive any day! Bill Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Dobard" <mdobard@msn.com> To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:41 PM Subject: [PACRAWFO] City Directories > Thank you all again for your information which I really appreciate. > My next question is: Does the Meadville Public library have city directories for the 1900 -1920 years? I have the address but would like to be sure they have the books before I write. I noticed that the Crawford Historical Society has the nineteenth century but didn't mention those for the twentieth century. > Thankful for all help. > Mary > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > ----------> ALL CAPS or UPPER CASE Letters Permissible Use <---------- > When typing a surname? YES! Absolutely! A must! For general text? NO! > It's shouting, bad manners (Netiquette) and hard to find surnames. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Thank you all again for your information which I really appreciate. My next question is: Does the Meadville Public library have city directories for the 1900 -1920 years? I have the address but would like to be sure they have the books before I write. I noticed that the Crawford Historical Society has the nineteenth century but didn't mention those for the twentieth century. Thankful for all help. Mary

The Phoenix Iron Works was in operation for many years. My father in law worked there after WWI. It later became Mead-Penn unit of the Pa. Engineering Corp. It grew out of a co. formed before the Civil War to manufacture David Dick's anti-friction press. Nancy Lorz Researching Albaugh, King, Moninger

I was talking to a lady Bev she went by the name of cookjar on the computer and I talked to her on the phone this morning, she telld me she sent you some pictures that have no names on them of a person in a sailer suit and of a band in the park along with several others. I have reason to believe that they could be of my fathers side. I was wondering how I may be able to see them to see for sure. I am from Meadville and I live outside there. Please write me. Thanks. Pam

Thanks to Jan G. and Todd for their helpful responses to my questions. I will act on them right away. Mary