Am hoping that one of you has this family in your database and can help me with some research. >From census 1880 (Mill Village, Erie County) and 1900 (Meadville, Crawford Co.) Enoch Beardsley, b OH 2/1836 Addie E., b 1/1841 Frankie, daughter, b ca 1866 R. D., son, b ca 1869 Cassius B., son, b ca 1876 Thank you! Barbara Seyler

Well said!

If you were talking about my reference to a free Library research room, it is the Erie county Historical Society, No major amount of county resources used, not affiliated with the Blasco Library. Free to anyone who would like to do some Historical, Genealogical research. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Sanders" <craigpsanders@hotmail.com> To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > Dave, > > I agree...I think, but I would not refer to the CCHS as a "business". The > CCHS is a non-profit volunteer organization providing a very unique service > to the community both locally and afar. I'm not sure why people expect to > get something for free. Wake up folks...it's 2004! We were all very lucky > that the Crawford County Library system sheltered them from normal operating > costs for so long. Things change and we all need to adjust. > > Also, to the person who made reference to the Erie Blascoe libary; your > example is at the sake of others in the community. Yes, the research room in > the Blascoe libary is free to use for genealogical research, but at what > cost to the citizens in Erie County? A majority of the county resources go > into supporting the Blascoe library (and its free reseach room) while > bunches of local libraries in Erie county are closing. Now families have to > drive (gas $$ and time) all the way to downtown Erie in order to have access > to a library. So where is the fairness to those people? > > Bottom line is if someone doesn't want to pay then don't, but stop acting > like someone owes you something for FREE. > > > From: David Palmer <dpalmer@shentel.net> > Reply-To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:10:45 -0500 > > Simple economics also tells us that any business that does not cover > operating > expenses won't stay in business very long either. > Dave Palmer > >

I totally agree with you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Polaski" <r.polaski@att.net> To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 5:50 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > Pardon my soap box for a minute. > > I have in the past and currently belong to a number of organization(s) that > provide quite a bit > of service for free to many people that have fallen on hard times or simply > can not afford much.. I'm not trying to criticize an organization of > dedicated volunteers, but being a dedicated volunteer I personally would > have a hard time imposing a > fee because poor planning, decision making, or over an emotionally charged > issue. > > I feel that if you make a decision, because you do not like your > surroundings or how things are handled, it > should not be up to the rest of us to pay for that decision. > Not everyone has the where with all to pay. > > I originally sent out an email to try to find out what people think and also > to see if anyone could put the > situation into proper perspective. > In light of the absence of this information it seems what your saying is > that this information should be for those fortunate enough to be able to > afford this fee no matter how it was arrived at. > > Also Erie, Just up the road from Meadville ( 45 miles north on I 90) has a > Historical Society with a free library, the only fee is 0.30 cents per > photocopy. How can they obtain this level of service, for free, such a short > distance away and Crawford County Historical can not? > It still comes down to this for me, are we being charged for poor decisions? > Back in October the Historical Society Library was located in the Meadville > Public Library ( info from this list October 2003). Why the move? Did the > Library need more room? What was the issue for the Move? > > I do not mind paying the $5 for supporting any program, I also pay for my > own mistakes and I'm not looking for a free ride. I also pay taxes, like > everyone else, some of the tax money is returned in the form of grants for > programs like this. I believe I read a while ago Crawford County Historical > received some of these funds. What is really going on? > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Palmer" <dpalmer@shentel.net> > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > > > Sounds like too many people are looking for a free ride. The most you > have to > > pay is $15 a year. Even one visit would be worth that to me. Instead of > > criticizing an organization of dedicated volunteers, how about giving > them some > > financial and moral support for all the good work they do? > > Dave Palmer > > Mount Jackson, Virginia > > > > Rick Polaski wrote: > > > > > I'm Sorry Darla, I meant to send this to the List. > > > > > > > I wonder why Erie can have a massive library at their Historical > Society > > > and > > > > Meadville can not. > > > > Is it because of mis management, failure to plan, no grant writing > > > > committee. Correct me if I'm wrong, but > > > > didn't the CCHS have a falling out with their former host. With this > in > > > mind > > > > it sounds if everyone will pay > > > > for some bad decisions. If this is true I would have a hard time > shelling > > > > out $5 every visit. > > > > What does anyone think? > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Darla Mader" <dsmader@qwest.net> > > > > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:18 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you Rob. I have never been able to go to Crawford > County > > > > > PA and I am a $15 dollar a year member too. I'm sure that they have > > > > > expenses in the new place and I would be happy to pay $5 to get in > the > > > > > door. > > > > > > > > > > Darla Mader > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: waltonrp@bellsouth.net [mailto:waltonrp@bellsouth.net] > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 6:33 PM > > > > > To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical > Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to say that everytime I have been at the Historical Society, > the > > > > > information that I was able to research was definately worth $5. I > live > > > > > near > > > > > Miami, and plan to visit Crawford this year, I'll just become a > member. > > > > > $15 > > > > > a year is a pretty good deal for all the information that they > archive > > > > > there. They should have charged a long time ago IMO. > > > > > > > > > > Rob WALTON > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just FYI, for all of you who have used or plan to use the Crawford > > > > > County Historical Society - they now charge a $5.00 admission fee. > They > > > > > have not widely publicized this, but since their move to the new > > > > > facility, this formerly free and open society is on the fast track > to > > > > > extinction. The new facility is smaller and much less user friendly > > > > > than the old one. I had to work standing up for almost 2 hours. > > > > > > > > > > > > Having been there for 2 months now, they still have yet to put a > sign > > > > > out in front of the building. Even the paper sign on the door > mentions > > > > > nothing about the new entrance fee, but they approach you > immediately > > > > > upon entrance to demand it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I won't be visiting there again anytime soon, and will never again > > > > > donate my work to them. It is sad to see the society go into > decline so > > > > > quickly. I would not be surprised to see them close permanently > before > > > > > long. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > > > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! > The > > > > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford > > > County, > > > > PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! The > > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? 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terri how do I get some research from you I am looking for morris malcom phelps He was born in penn line pa crawford co he is my grandpa flo blevins flo@vol.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "teri" <sanchoinc@houston.rr.com> To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 12:09 AM Subject: [PACRAWFO] FROM THE LIST ADMIN: ENOUGH on the Crawford County Historical Society > I think we've exhausted the subject of the Crawford County Historical Society. Please, no more discussion. > > Let's get back to finding our ancestors. > > Teri > List Admin > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford County, PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

DON'T you think we have hashed this over enough? Pay the $15.00 and be come a member. Other genealogy locations charge more than $5.00 a day. Besides I am getting tire of clearing all these e-mails. Ron Kelsey kssr2@comcast.net > I know you do but I don't have to pay to go through the door, either. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Palmer" <dpalmer@shentel.net> > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 3:07 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > > > I pay taxes for the court house services. The historical society depends > on fees and donations. > > Dave Palmer > > > > Pam Black wrote: > > > > > Would yopu feel the same way if you had to enter the court house to do > > > reserch on deeds , deaths and wills?????? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "David Palmer" <dpalmer@shentel.net> > > > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:49 AM > > > Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical > Society > > > > > > > Sounds like too many people are looking for a free ride. The most you > > > have to > > > > pay is $15 a year. Even one visit would be worth that to me. Instead > of > > > > criticizing an organization of dedicated volunteers, how about giving > > > them some > > > > financial and moral support for all the good work they do? > > > > Dave Palmer > > > > Mount Jackson, Virginia > > > > > > > > Rick Polaski wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm Sorry Darla, I meant to send this to the List. > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder why Erie can have a massive library at their Historical > > > Society > > > > > and > > > > > > Meadville can not. > > > > > > Is it because of mis management, failure to plan, no grant writing > > > > > > committee. Correct me if I'm wrong, but > > > > > > didn't the CCHS have a falling out with their former host. With > this > > > in > > > > > mind > > > > > > it sounds if everyone will pay > > > > > > for some bad decisions. If this is true I would have a hard time > > > shelling > > > > > > out $5 every visit. > > > > > > What does anyone think? > > > > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Darla Mader" <dsmader@qwest.net> > > > > > > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:18 PM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical > Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you Rob. I have never been able to go to Crawford > > > County > > > > > > > PA and I am a $15 dollar a year member too. I'm sure that they > have > > > > > > > expenses in the new place and I would be happy to pay $5 to get > in > > > the > > > > > > > door. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Darla Mader > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: waltonrp@bellsouth.net [mailto:waltonrp@bellsouth.net] > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 6:33 PM > > > > > > > To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical > > > Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to say that everytime I have been at the Historical > Society, > > > the > > > > > > > information that I was able to research was definately worth $5. > I > > > live > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > Miami, and plan to visit Crawford this year, I'll just become a > > > member. > > > > > > > $15 > > > > > > > a year is a pretty good deal for all the information that they > > > archive > > > > > > > there. They should have charged a long time ago IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob WALTON > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just FYI, for all of you who have used or plan to use the > Crawford > > > > > > > County Historical Society - they now charge a $5.00 admission > fee. > > > They > > > > > > > have not widely publicized this, but since their move to the new > > > > > > > facility, this formerly free and open society is on the fast > track > > > to > > > > > > > extinction. The new facility is smaller and much less user > friendly > > > > > > > than the old one. I had to work standing up for almost 2 hours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having been there for 2 months now, they still have yet to put > a > > > sign > > > > > > > out in front of the building. Even the paper sign on the door > > > mentions > > > > > > > nothing about the new entrance fee, but they approach you > > > immediately > > > > > > > upon entrance to demand it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I won't be visiting there again anytime soon, and will never > again > > > > > > > donate my work to them. It is sad to see the society go into > > > decline so > > > > > > > quickly. I would not be surprised to see them close permanently > > > before > > > > > > > long. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > > > > > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line > more! > > > The > > > > > > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new > Immigration > > > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn > more. > > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the > Crawford > > > > > County, > > > > > > PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new > Immigration > > > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn > more. > > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > > > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! > The > > > > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? 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I know you do but I don't have to pay to go through the door, either. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Palmer" <dpalmer@shentel.net> To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 3:07 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > I pay taxes for the court house services. The historical society depends on fees and donations. > Dave Palmer > > Pam Black wrote: > > > Would yopu feel the same way if you had to enter the court house to do > > reserch on deeds , deaths and wills?????? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Palmer" <dpalmer@shentel.net> > > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:49 AM > > Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > > > > Sounds like too many people are looking for a free ride. The most you > > have to > > > pay is $15 a year. Even one visit would be worth that to me. Instead of > > > criticizing an organization of dedicated volunteers, how about giving > > them some > > > financial and moral support for all the good work they do? > > > Dave Palmer > > > Mount Jackson, Virginia > > > > > > Rick Polaski wrote: > > > > > > > I'm Sorry Darla, I meant to send this to the List. > > > > > > > > > I wonder why Erie can have a massive library at their Historical > > Society > > > > and > > > > > Meadville can not. > > > > > Is it because of mis management, failure to plan, no grant writing > > > > > committee. Correct me if I'm wrong, but > > > > > didn't the CCHS have a falling out with their former host. With this > > in > > > > mind > > > > > it sounds if everyone will pay > > > > > for some bad decisions. If this is true I would have a hard time > > shelling > > > > > out $5 every visit. > > > > > What does anyone think? > > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Darla Mader" <dsmader@qwest.net> > > > > > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:18 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you Rob. I have never been able to go to Crawford > > County > > > > > > PA and I am a $15 dollar a year member too. I'm sure that they have > > > > > > expenses in the new place and I would be happy to pay $5 to get in > > the > > > > > > door. > > > > > > > > > > > > Darla Mader > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: waltonrp@bellsouth.net [mailto:waltonrp@bellsouth.net] > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 6:33 PM > > > > > > To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical > > Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to say that everytime I have been at the Historical Society, > > the > > > > > > information that I was able to research was definately worth $5. I > > live > > > > > > near > > > > > > Miami, and plan to visit Crawford this year, I'll just become a > > member. > > > > > > $15 > > > > > > a year is a pretty good deal for all the information that they > > archive > > > > > > there. They should have charged a long time ago IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob WALTON > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just FYI, for all of you who have used or plan to use the Crawford > > > > > > County Historical Society - they now charge a $5.00 admission fee. > > They > > > > > > have not widely publicized this, but since their move to the new > > > > > > facility, this formerly free and open society is on the fast track > > to > > > > > > extinction. The new facility is smaller and much less user friendly > > > > > > than the old one. I had to work standing up for almost 2 hours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having been there for 2 months now, they still have yet to put a > > sign > > > > > > out in front of the building. Even the paper sign on the door > > mentions > > > > > > nothing about the new entrance fee, but they approach you > > immediately > > > > > > upon entrance to demand it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I won't be visiting there again anytime soon, and will never again > > > > > > donate my work to them. It is sad to see the society go into > > decline so > > > > > > quickly. I would not be surprised to see them close permanently > > before > > > > > > long. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > > > > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! > > The > > > > > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford > > > > County, > > > > > PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! The > > > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? 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I feel that the material was donated to the Historical Soc.- that they should pay for it. All this stuff was donated, at least most of it. Including the building. now we all have to pay for the material that was donated to that society.. Its a shame it has to be boiled down to money again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <erlabri@cox.net> To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > Seems to me that the $15 annual fee is really cheap. My only suggestion is > that when someone comes through the door, they should give the visitor a > choice--$5 per visit or the annual membership at $15. Perhaps the problem is > that they aren't communicating that choice. Is th e membership considered a > donation that is tax-deductable? If so, they should mention that. > > Secondly, having the materials in a very user-friendly environment, with > chairs, etc, seems like it would be a first priority. Surely they can find a > means of providing a couple more chairs and a flat spot to work with a small > budget. Or is the space too cramped? I hope not. > > Jan G. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Evelyn" <jaea703@nauticom.net> > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 9:50 AM > Subject: Re: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > > > I agree with Rob Walton that the information available is well worth the > > fee. The newspaper abstracts and index are sources not to be found > anywhere > > else, and have provided many clues for me. The cemetery records save a lot > > of hunting too. > > > > The move to the new HQ did not allow a lot of planning, so it will take > the > > volunteers and staff some time to have everything in shape. I have no > doubt > > that more equipment, furniture, etc. is on their wish list. I think it is > > about time some of us who make extensive use of the library also take some > > responsibility for keeping it in place. If it means a small fee for use, > > then so be it. > > > > Evelyn > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > This List is dedicated to Crawford County, Pennsylvania. If have a > problem, question, need direction or to report a virus, please contact Teri > off list at sanchoinc@houston.rr.com > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! The > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Dave, I agree...I think, but I would not refer to the CCHS as a "business". The CCHS is a non-profit volunteer organization providing a very unique service to the community both locally and afar. I'm not sure why people expect to get something for free. Wake up folks...it's 2004! We were all very lucky that the Crawford County Library system sheltered them from normal operating costs for so long. Things change and we all need to adjust. Also, to the person who made reference to the Erie Blascoe libary; your example is at the sake of others in the community. Yes, the research room in the Blascoe libary is free to use for genealogical research, but at what cost to the citizens in Erie County? A majority of the county resources go into supporting the Blascoe library (and its free reseach room) while bunches of local libraries in Erie county are closing. Now families have to drive (gas $$ and time) all the way to downtown Erie in order to have access to a library. So where is the fairness to those people? Bottom line is if someone doesn't want to pay then don't, but stop acting like someone owes you something for FREE. From: David Palmer <dpalmer@shentel.net> Reply-To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:10:45 -0500 Simple economics also tells us that any business that does not cover operating expenses won't stay in business very long either. Dave Palmer Adina Roberts wrote: > Where we now have the privilege of using these for research? > > -----Original Message----- > From: JWB [mailto:jwb@surferie.net] > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 5:10 PM > To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > I believe everyone who wants to should pay the $15 a year, or $5 each time. > I simply don't want to. My way of supporting the Society was by donating my > books, as each was published. I won't be doing that any more, either. > > Those of you who wish to may certainly pay any fee you choose. I was just > pointing out that it will be an ever dwindling number, which seems to be the > exact opposite of what the Society should be doing. Simple economics > teaches us that a rise in cost will result in a decrease in demand. A > dramatic rise in cost will see a correspondingly dramatic decrease in > demand. Even when it was FREE, the Society was hardly overwhelmed with > patrons. I was just expressing my opinion that the Society will fail soon. > By their logic, if the number of patrons decreases by 50% due to the new > charges, they would have to RAISE the fee in order to compensate. No > business that ever tried that theory is still IN business. > > I still wish them well, as I do to those of you who will continue to > patronize them. I will just not be one of them. And I personally saw other > people walk out without paying, so I know I am not alone. And that was just > one day.... > > Jeffrey Blystone > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Palmer" <dpalmer@shentel.net> > > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 6:16 PM > > Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > > > > > > If you had been reading these emails last year, you would know that the > > historical society was forced out of the library. I don't > > > believe that anyone who owns a computer can't come up with $15 a year. > > > Dave Palmer > > > > > > Rick Polaski wrote: > > > > > > > Pardon my soap box for a minute. > > > > > > > > I have in the past and currently belong to a number of organization(s) > > that > > > > provide quite a bit > > > > of service for free to many people that have fallen on hard times or > > simply > > > > can not afford much.. I'm not trying to criticize an organization of > > > > dedicated volunteers, but being a dedicated volunteer I personally > would > > > > have a hard time imposing a > > > > fee because poor planning, decision making, or over an emotionally > > charged > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > I feel that if you make a decision, because you do not like your > > > > surroundings or how things are handled, it > > > > should not be up to the rest of us to pay for that decision. > > > > Not everyone has the where with all to pay. > > > > > > > > I originally sent out an email to try to find out what people think > and > > also > > > > to see if anyone could put the > > > > situation into proper perspective. > > > > In light of the absence of this information it seems what your saying > > is > > > > that this information should be for those fortunate enough to be able > to > > > > afford this fee no matter how it was arrived at. > > > > > > > > Also Erie, Just up the road from Meadville ( 45 miles north on I 90) > has > > a > > > > Historical Society with a free library, the only fee is 0.30 cents per > > > > photocopy. How can they obtain this level of service, for free, such a > > short > > > > distance away and Crawford County Historical can not? > > > > It still comes down to this for me, are we being charged for poor > decisi > > ons? > > > > Back in October the Historical Society Library was located in the > > Meadville > > > > Public Library ( info from this list October 2003). Why the move? Did > > the > > > > Library need more room? What was the issue for the Move? > > > > > > > > I do not mind paying the $5 for supporting any program, I also pay for > > my > > > > own mistakes and I'm not looking for a free ride. I also pay taxes, > like > > > > everyone else, some of the tax money is returned in the form of grants > > for > > > > programs like this. I believe I read a while ago Crawford County > > Historical > > > > received some of these funds. What is really going on? > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "David Palmer" <dpalmer@shentel.net> > > > > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:49 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical > > Society > > > > > > > > > Sounds like too many people are looking for a free ride. The most > you > > > > have to > > > > > pay is $15 a year. Even one visit would be worth that to me. > Instead > > of > > > > > criticizing an organization of dedicated volunteers, how about > giving > > > > them some > > > > > financial and moral support for all the good work they do? > > > > > Dave Palmer > > > > > Mount Jackson, Virginia > > > > > > > > > > Rick Polaski wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I'm Sorry Darla, I meant to send this to the List. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder why Erie can have a massive library at their Historical > > > > Society > > > > > > and > > > > > > > Meadville can not. > > > > > > > Is it because of mis management, failure to plan, no grant > writing > > > > > > > committee. Correct me if I'm wrong, but > > > > > > > didn't the CCHS have a falling out with their former host. With > > this > > > > in > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > it sounds if everyone will pay > > > > > > > for some bad decisions. If this is true I would have a hard time > > > > shelling > > > > > > > out $5 every visit. > > > > > > > What does anyone think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Darla Mader" <dsmader@qwest.net> > > > > > > > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:18 PM > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical > > Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you Rob. I have never been able to go to > Crawford > > > > County > > > > > > > > PA and I am a $15 dollar a year member too. I'm sure that > they > > have > > > > > > > > expenses in the new place and I would be happy to pay $5 to > get > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > > door. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Darla Mader > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: waltonrp@bellsouth.net [mailto:waltonrp@bellsouth.net] > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 6:33 PM > > > > > > > > To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical > > > > Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to say that everytime I have been at the Historical > > Society, > > > > the > > > > > > > > information that I was able to research was definately worth > $5. > > I > > > > live > > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > Miami, and plan to visit Crawford this year, I'll just become > a > > > > member. > > > > > > > > $15 > > > > > > > > a year is a pretty good deal for all the information that they > > > > archive > > > > > > > > there. They should have charged a long time ago IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob WALTON > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just FYI, for all of you who have used or plan to use the > > Crawford > > > > > > > > County Historical Society - they now charge a $5.00 admission > > fee. > > > > They > > > > > > > > have not widely publicized this, but since their move to the > new > > > > > > > > facility, this formerly free and open society is on the fast > > track > > > > to > > > > > > > > extinction. The new facility is smaller and much less user > > friendly > > > > > > > > than the old one. I had to work standing up for almost 2 > hours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having been there for 2 months now, they still have yet to > put > > a > > > > sign > > > > > > > > out in front of the building. 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My goodness all this back and forth about $15.00 for a year¹s worth of research- imagine if the historical society wasn¹t there at all. Some much more would be lost. I¹m on the mailing list as I do a family research project so I¹ve been reading this flurry of email. I live in NYC and the information and general help from this organization and people who volunteer has been very generous. No one has yet asked for a fee to do basic research and I have been asking for real digging. There is also a wonderfully rich web site which costs money and skill to maintain yet no one has asked that I pay for that service. Small not for profit organizations usually exist in addition to our taxes. The fact that information is cared for and archived for future generations is an extremely generous motive. It requires labor and expertise to house and archive historical information. I would like my daughter to go there in twenty years and be able to find out the stories and facts about her great great grandparents as I have done. It is invaluable. Rae Grant Rae Grant raegrant@mindspring.com

I agree that this list is for genealogy and ancestors research. I am one of the volunteers at the Historical society and the move as been very time consuming for all of us. We could have made the decision to stay closed for a longer period of time, but decided to open and have longer hours for more access to the information, and I am one of them who has made the additional hours possible. Lets get behind that Historical Society in there efforts and all will benefit. We have a nice facility where we can make additional information available to the public, that was not available before. The volunteers have done as much as they can at this time to accomodate the public as we are still in the process of organizing and finishing our unpacking from the move. Good Luck to all who are researching in Crawford Co and I hope all continue to support our effort. Diana Crawford Co Researcher and Volunteer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd and Linda" <lllang18@comcast.net> To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 11:40 PM Subject: RE: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > I've stayed out of this discussion, but that last comment was insensitive. > I have a computer that I bought several years ago - not the fastest, but > serviceable. I was laid off from my job after coming back from surgery a > year ago and haven't been able to find another job, my husband is disabled, > and we're to the point of choosing between food, medications, and gas for > the car. I stay on the genealogy lists for enjoyment and research, not to > hear a bunch of whining and sniping. Certainly not for condescending > remarks about people's financial status. Please stop this argument and get > back to ancestors. > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > ROLL CALLS? Not permitted unless instituted by the List Admin. But post > your interests and areas of search often. New members join every day. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Amen!

First, the HS did not want to move from the second floor of the public library, and did not do so by choice. The library wanted to expand, and basically told us to find another facility. After lengthy negotiaitons, and through the generosity of the Barco/Duratz family, we were able to relocate to the new building. The layout is different, and it does not appear as spacious as the old facility, but we are happy to be in a modern building at a central location in town, roughly two blocks from the court house, with some off-street parking, which we did not have in the past. Contrary to what as been mentioned, we do have furniture. There are tables and chairs, shelves, and more on order, if I remember correctly. I cannot imagine why anyone had to stand for two hours, and I am sure the staff would have found seating for the visitor, had they known. I know that many of the major genealogical/historical societies charge entrance fees. Western Reserve HS has been doing this for years, and charges substantially more. Our $5.00 fee is about the price of two cups of coffee at some fancy coffee shop, I think. The decision to charge an entrance fee was discussed at length. It did not come about because of "poor planning, decision making, or over an emotionally charged issue." The HS gets no public funding. We still have to pay for utilities, maintenance, supplies, etc., etc., and a small entrance fee is one of the few ways we have to cover those costs. We do pursue and obtain grants, but these are usually for specific things - evaluation of the railroad collection, for example, or publication of a specific book. The grants do not cover daily operating expenses. We do have some local fundraising events, but out-of-town researchers would most likely not be involved in those. I am sorry that someone was startled and offended by the change, and I agree that the fee should be clearly posted at the door. Otherwise, unfounded insinuations about the HS, its planning, organization, motivation, etc., do not really offer any positive input. Annette Lynch >From: "Rick Polaski" <r.polaski@att.net> >Reply-To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com >To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society >Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:50:01 -0500 > > > Pardon my soap box for a minute. > >I have in the past and currently belong to a number of organization(s) that >provide quite a bit >of service for free to many people that have fallen on hard times or simply >can not afford much.. I'm not trying to criticize an organization of >dedicated volunteers, but being a dedicated volunteer I personally would >have a hard time imposing a >fee because poor planning, decision making, or over an emotionally charged >issue. > >I feel that if you make a decision, because you do not like your >surroundings or how things are handled, it >should not be up to the rest of us to pay for that decision. > Not everyone has the where with all to pay. > >I originally sent out an email to try to find out what people think and >also >to see if anyone could put the >situation into proper perspective. >In light of the absence of this information it seems what your saying is >that this information should be for those fortunate enough to be able to >afford this fee no matter how it was arrived at. > >Also Erie, Just up the road from Meadville ( 45 miles north on I 90) has a >Historical Society with a free library, the only fee is 0.30 cents per >photocopy. How can they obtain this level of service, for free, such a >short >distance away and Crawford County Historical can not? >It still comes down to this for me, are we being charged for poor >decisions? >Back in October the Historical Society Library was located in the Meadville >Public Library ( info from this list October 2003). Why the move? Did the >Library need more room? What was the issue for the Move? > >I do not mind paying the $5 for supporting any program, I also pay for my >own mistakes and I'm not looking for a free ride. I also pay taxes, like >everyone else, some of the tax money is returned in the form of grants for >programs like this. I believe I read a while ago Crawford County >Historical >received some of these funds. What is really going on? > >Rick > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Palmer" <dpalmer@shentel.net> >To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:49 AM >Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > > > Sounds like too many people are looking for a free ride. The most you >have to > > pay is $15 a year. Even one visit would be worth that to me. Instead >of > > criticizing an organization of dedicated volunteers, how about giving >them some > > financial and moral support for all the good work they do? > > Dave Palmer > > Mount Jackson, Virginia > > > > Rick Polaski wrote: > > > > > I'm Sorry Darla, I meant to send this to the List. > > > > > > > I wonder why Erie can have a massive library at their Historical >Society > > > and > > > > Meadville can not. > > > > Is it because of mis management, failure to plan, no grant writing > > > > committee. Correct me if I'm wrong, but > > > > didn't the CCHS have a falling out with their former host. With this >in > > > mind > > > > it sounds if everyone will pay > > > > for some bad decisions. If this is true I would have a hard time >shelling > > > > out $5 every visit. > > > > What does anyone think? > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Darla Mader" <dsmader@qwest.net> > > > > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:18 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical >Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you Rob. I have never been able to go to Crawford >County > > > > > PA and I am a $15 dollar a year member too. I'm sure that they >have > > > > > expenses in the new place and I would be happy to pay $5 to get in >the > > > > > door. > > > > > > > > > > Darla Mader > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: waltonrp@bellsouth.net [mailto:waltonrp@bellsouth.net] > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 6:33 PM > > > > > To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical >Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to say that everytime I have been at the Historical >Society, >the > > > > > information that I was able to research was definately worth $5. I >live > > > > > near > > > > > Miami, and plan to visit Crawford this year, I'll just become a >member. > > > > > $15 > > > > > a year is a pretty good deal for all the information that they >archive > > > > > there. They should have charged a long time ago IMO. > > > > > > > > > > Rob WALTON > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just FYI, for all of you who have used or plan to use the >Crawford > > > > > County Historical Society - they now charge a $5.00 admission fee. >They > > > > > have not widely publicized this, but since their move to the new > > > > > facility, this formerly free and open society is on the fast track >to > > > > > extinction. The new facility is smaller and much less user >friendly > > > > > than the old one. I had to work standing up for almost 2 hours. > > > > > > > > > > > > Having been there for 2 months now, they still have yet to put a >sign > > > > > out in front of the building. Even the paper sign on the door >mentions > > > > > nothing about the new entrance fee, but they approach you >immediately > > > > > upon entrance to demand it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I won't be visiting there again anytime soon, and will never >again > > > > > donate my work to them. It is sad to see the society go into >decline so > > > > > quickly. I would not be surprised to see them close permanently >before > > > > > long. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > > > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line >more! >The > > > > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new >Immigration > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford > > > County, > > > > PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new >Immigration > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! >The > > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? 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I believe that I will end with the following. Thanks to all I've enjoyed the discussion. I do not believe that I made any insinuations. If so please point them out. I was asking questions and did not intend to insinuate. It seems ambiguous to say the Library wanted to expand so we had to go. If the Library was going to expand there would be more room added on correct?, or am I missing what an expansion is? Or were they expanding room by the removal of the HS? Would not most libraries appreciate having this type of information for their patrons? The Albion Pa library has just accepted a large donation of Genealogy data. I'm not positive but I believe they even put it in the local rag. How can you say HS did not do so by choice and then go on to quote that there was no " emotionally charged issue". Being asked to leave when it was not by choice did not evoke any emotions? After what you have explained it seems to me that some one would have been upset. No poor planning? It is obvious that there was no contingency plan. Let me understand this correctly, you have access to a facility with free rent and it never crossed anybody's mind that this gift would one day end? If the HS was paying rent I couldn't imagine that the Library would rid itself of funding. Currently most libraries seem to be screaming for funding. You go on to mention that large Historical Societies have cover charges, that's great. But they are also dealing with a larger scale operation. There was no comment on how Erie HS could run their operation with out a cover charge, I'm sure their organization is close to the same scale as Crawford County HS,this seemed to be conveniently omitted. I have done some grant writing and you can have daily operating expenses covered with some grants, you can ask for anything in a grant, it is how the subject is approached. I believe the same can be said with public funding. Also, there was a lot of positive input that was generated by the many emails over this issue. If you are a member of the Historical Society you have just received a number of opinions of potential customers, for free. This should be quite valuable. Maybe we should thank Jeff and everyone else that chimed in on the discussion for their opinion. You now have some idea how people feel Is the glass half empty or half full? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Annette Lynch" <all_lynch@hotmail.com> To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > First, the HS did not want to move from the second floor of the public > library, and did not do so by choice. The library wanted to expand, and > basically told us to find another facility. After lengthy negotiaitons, and > through the generosity of the Barco/Duratz family, we were able to relocate > to the new building. The layout is different, and it does not appear as > spacious as the old facility, but we are happy to be in a modern building at > a central location in town, roughly two blocks from the court house, with > some off-street parking, which we did not have in the past. > > Contrary to what as been mentioned, we do have furniture. There are tables > and chairs, shelves, and more on order, if I remember correctly. I cannot > imagine why anyone had to stand for two hours, and I am sure the staff would > have found seating for the visitor, had they known. > > I know that many of the major genealogical/historical societies charge > entrance fees. Western Reserve HS has been doing this for years, and > charges substantially more. Our $5.00 fee is about the price of two cups of > coffee at some fancy coffee shop, I think. The decision to charge an > entrance fee was discussed at length. It did not come about because of > "poor planning, decision making, or over an emotionally charged issue." > > The HS gets no public funding. We still have to pay for utilities, > maintenance, supplies, etc., etc., and a small entrance fee is one of the > few ways we have to cover those costs. We do pursue and obtain grants, but > these are usually for specific things - evaluation of the railroad > collection, for example, or publication of a specific book. The grants do > not cover daily operating expenses. We do have some local fundraising > events, but out-of-town researchers would most likely not be involved in > those. > > I am sorry that someone was startled and offended by the change, and I agree > that the fee should be clearly posted at the door. Otherwise, unfounded > insinuations about the HS, its planning, organization, motivation, etc., do > not really offer any positive input. > > Annette Lynch > > > > > >From: "Rick Polaski" <r.polaski@att.net> > >Reply-To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > >To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > >Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:50:01 -0500 > > > > > > Pardon my soap box for a minute. > > > >I have in the past and currently belong to a number of organization(s) that > >provide quite a bit > >of service for free to many people that have fallen on hard times or simply > >can not afford much.. I'm not trying to criticize an organization of > >dedicated volunteers, but being a dedicated volunteer I personally would > >have a hard time imposing a > >fee because poor planning, decision making, or over an emotionally charged > >issue. > > > >I feel that if you make a decision, because you do not like your > >surroundings or how things are handled, it > >should not be up to the rest of us to pay for that decision. > > Not everyone has the where with all to pay. > > > >I originally sent out an email to try to find out what people think and > >also > >to see if anyone could put the > >situation into proper perspective. > >In light of the absence of this information it seems what your saying is > >that this information should be for those fortunate enough to be able to > >afford this fee no matter how it was arrived at. > > > >Also Erie, Just up the road from Meadville ( 45 miles north on I 90) has a > >Historical Society with a free library, the only fee is 0.30 cents per > >photocopy. How can they obtain this level of service, for free, such a > >short > >distance away and Crawford County Historical can not? > >It still comes down to this for me, are we being charged for poor > >decisions? > >Back in October the Historical Society Library was located in the Meadville > >Public Library ( info from this list October 2003). Why the move? Did the > >Library need more room? What was the issue for the Move? > > > >I do not mind paying the $5 for supporting any program, I also pay for my > >own mistakes and I'm not looking for a free ride. I also pay taxes, like > >everyone else, some of the tax money is returned in the form of grants for > >programs like this. I believe I read a while ago Crawford County > >Historical > >received some of these funds. What is really going on? > > > >Rick > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "David Palmer" <dpalmer@shentel.net> > >To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:49 AM > >Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > > > > > > Sounds like too many people are looking for a free ride. The most you > >have to > > > pay is $15 a year. Even one visit would be worth that to me. Instead > >of > > > criticizing an organization of dedicated volunteers, how about giving > >them some > > > financial and moral support for all the good work they do? > > > Dave Palmer > > > Mount Jackson, Virginia > > > > > > Rick Polaski wrote: > > > > > > > I'm Sorry Darla, I meant to send this to the List. > > > > > > > > > I wonder why Erie can have a massive library at their Historical > >Society > > > > and > > > > > Meadville can not. > > > > > Is it because of mis management, failure to plan, no grant writing > > > > > committee. Correct me if I'm wrong, but > > > > > didn't the CCHS have a falling out with their former host. With this > >in > > > > mind > > > > > it sounds if everyone will pay > > > > > for some bad decisions. If this is true I would have a hard time > >shelling > > > > > out $5 every visit. > > > > > What does anyone think? > > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Darla Mader" <dsmader@qwest.net> > > > > > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:18 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical > >Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you Rob. I have never been able to go to Crawford > >County > > > > > > PA and I am a $15 dollar a year member too. I'm sure that they > >have > > > > > > expenses in the new place and I would be happy to pay $5 to get in > >the > > > > > > door. > > > > > > > > > > > > Darla Mader > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: waltonrp@bellsouth.net [mailto:waltonrp@bellsouth.net] > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 6:33 PM > > > > > > To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical > >Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to say that everytime I have been at the Historical > >Society, > >the > > > > > > information that I was able to research was definately worth $5. I > >live > > > > > > near > > > > > > Miami, and plan to visit Crawford this year, I'll just become a > >member. > > > > > > $15 > > > > > > a year is a pretty good deal for all the information that they > >archive > > > > > > there. They should have charged a long time ago IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob WALTON > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just FYI, for all of you who have used or plan to use the > >Crawford > > > > > > County Historical Society - they now charge a $5.00 admission fee. > >They > > > > > > have not widely publicized this, but since their move to the new > > > > > > facility, this formerly free and open society is on the fast track > >to > > > > > > extinction. The new facility is smaller and much less user > >friendly > > > > > > than the old one. I had to work standing up for almost 2 hours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having been there for 2 months now, they still have yet to put a > >sign > > > > > > out in front of the building. Even the paper sign on the door > >mentions > > > > > > nothing about the new entrance fee, but they approach you > >immediately > > > > > > upon entrance to demand it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I won't be visiting there again anytime soon, and will never > >again > > > > > > donate my work to them. It is sad to see the society go into > >decline so > > > > > > quickly. I would not be surprised to see them close permanently > >before > > > > > > long. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > > > > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line > >more! > >The > > > > > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new > >Immigration > > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford > > > > County, > > > > > PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new > >Immigration > > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! > >The > > > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? 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Note to Jeffrey Blystone: Just wonder if you would explain WHY you had to stand for two hours? Was it due to lack of seating space, or rules regarding use of files, or what?

I've stayed out of this discussion, but that last comment was insensitive. I have a computer that I bought several years ago - not the fastest, but serviceable. I was laid off from my job after coming back from surgery a year ago and haven't been able to find another job, my husband is disabled, and we're to the point of choosing between food, medications, and gas for the car. I stay on the genealogy lists for enjoyment and research, not to hear a bunch of whining and sniping. Certainly not for condescending remarks about people's financial status. Please stop this argument and get back to ancestors.

I think we've exhausted the subject of the Crawford County Historical Society. Please, no more discussion. Let's get back to finding our ancestors. Teri List Admin

Hello, I have been watching all the e-mails about this subject and I don't know if it will help or even change anyones minds, but it seems to me instead of asking for a $5.00 entrance fee, I think it would have been better if they just asked for donations instead. I do agree what information they have is well worth the $5.00 entrance fee however, I am a strong believer in keeping genealogy free. I also wonder what right they have to charge for accessing this public information? Am I missing the mark or do they have to pay for the volunteers? It seems to me volunteers help organize and produce this information, and then the Historical Society wants to charge it's patrons, seems to me they are just trying to make a fast buck off of their decision to move, and how fair is it to the volunteers to donate their time and hard work, not to mention the researchers who have donated their material as well, while the Historical Society reaps the financial benefits? Just somethings to think about I guess. My two cents worth...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Polaski" <r.polaski@att.net> To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 5:50 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > Pardon my soap box for a minute. > > I have in the past and currently belong to a number of organization(s) that > provide quite a bit > of service for free to many people that have fallen on hard times or simply > can not afford much.. I'm not trying to criticize an organization of > dedicated volunteers, but being a dedicated volunteer I personally would > have a hard time imposing a > fee because poor planning, decision making, or over an emotionally charged > issue. > > I feel that if you make a decision, because you do not like your > surroundings or how things are handled, it > should not be up to the rest of us to pay for that decision. > Not everyone has the where with all to pay. > > I originally sent out an email to try to find out what people think and also > to see if anyone could put the > situation into proper perspective. > In light of the absence of this information it seems what your saying is > that this information should be for those fortunate enough to be able to > afford this fee no matter how it was arrived at. > > Also Erie, Just up the road from Meadville ( 45 miles north on I 90) has a > Historical Society with a free library, the only fee is 0.30 cents per > photocopy. How can they obtain this level of service, for free, such a short > distance away and Crawford County Historical can not? > It still comes down to this for me, are we being charged for poor decisions? > Back in October the Historical Society Library was located in the Meadville > Public Library ( info from this list October 2003). Why the move? Did the > Library need more room? What was the issue for the Move? > > I do not mind paying the $5 for supporting any program, I also pay for my > own mistakes and I'm not looking for a free ride. I also pay taxes, like > everyone else, some of the tax money is returned in the form of grants for > programs like this. I believe I read a while ago Crawford County Historical > received some of these funds. What is really going on? > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Palmer" <dpalmer@shentel.net> > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > > > Sounds like too many people are looking for a free ride. The most you > have to > > pay is $15 a year. Even one visit would be worth that to me. Instead of > > criticizing an organization of dedicated volunteers, how about giving > them some > > financial and moral support for all the good work they do? > > Dave Palmer > > Mount Jackson, Virginia > > > > Rick Polaski wrote: > > > > > I'm Sorry Darla, I meant to send this to the List. > > > > > > > I wonder why Erie can have a massive library at their Historical > Society > > > and > > > > Meadville can not. > > > > Is it because of mis management, failure to plan, no grant writing > > > > committee. Correct me if I'm wrong, but > > > > didn't the CCHS have a falling out with their former host. With this > in > > > mind > > > > it sounds if everyone will pay > > > > for some bad decisions. If this is true I would have a hard time > shelling > > > > out $5 every visit. > > > > What does anyone think? > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Darla Mader" <dsmader@qwest.net> > > > > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:18 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you Rob. I have never been able to go to Crawford > County > > > > > PA and I am a $15 dollar a year member too. I'm sure that they have > > > > > expenses in the new place and I would be happy to pay $5 to get in > the > > > > > door. > > > > > > > > > > Darla Mader > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: waltonrp@bellsouth.net [mailto:waltonrp@bellsouth.net] > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 6:33 PM > > > > > To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical > Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to say that everytime I have been at the Historical Society, > the > > > > > information that I was able to research was definately worth $5. I > live > > > > > near > > > > > Miami, and plan to visit Crawford this year, I'll just become a > member. > > > > > $15 > > > > > a year is a pretty good deal for all the information that they > archive > > > > > there. They should have charged a long time ago IMO. > > > > > > > > > > Rob WALTON > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just FYI, for all of you who have used or plan to use the Crawford > > > > > County Historical Society - they now charge a $5.00 admission fee. > They > > > > > have not widely publicized this, but since their move to the new > > > > > facility, this formerly free and open society is on the fast track > to > > > > > extinction. The new facility is smaller and much less user friendly > > > > > than the old one. I had to work standing up for almost 2 hours. > > > > > > > > > > > > Having been there for 2 months now, they still have yet to put a > sign > > > > > out in front of the building. Even the paper sign on the door > mentions > > > > > nothing about the new entrance fee, but they approach you > immediately > > > > > upon entrance to demand it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I won't be visiting there again anytime soon, and will never again > > > > > donate my work to them. It is sad to see the society go into > decline so > > > > > quickly. I would not be surprised to see them close permanently > before > > > > > long. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > > > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! > The > > > > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? 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Simple economics also tells us that any business that does not cover operating expenses won't stay in business very long either. Dave Palmer Adina Roberts wrote: > Where we now have the privilege of using these for research? > > -----Original Message----- > From: JWB [mailto:jwb@surferie.net] > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 5:10 PM > To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > I believe everyone who wants to should pay the $15 a year, or $5 each time. > I simply don't want to. My way of supporting the Society was by donating my > books, as each was published. I won't be doing that any more, either. > > Those of you who wish to may certainly pay any fee you choose. I was just > pointing out that it will be an ever dwindling number, which seems to be the > exact opposite of what the Society should be doing. Simple economics > teaches us that a rise in cost will result in a decrease in demand. A > dramatic rise in cost will see a correspondingly dramatic decrease in > demand. Even when it was FREE, the Society was hardly overwhelmed with > patrons. I was just expressing my opinion that the Society will fail soon. > By their logic, if the number of patrons decreases by 50% due to the new > charges, they would have to RAISE the fee in order to compensate. No > business that ever tried that theory is still IN business. > > I still wish them well, as I do to those of you who will continue to > patronize them. I will just not be one of them. And I personally saw other > people walk out without paying, so I know I am not alone. And that was just > one day.... > > Jeffrey Blystone > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Palmer" <dpalmer@shentel.net> > > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 6:16 PM > > Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical Society > > > > > > > If you had been reading these emails last year, you would know that the > > historical society was forced out of the library. I don't > > > believe that anyone who owns a computer can't come up with $15 a year. > > > Dave Palmer > > > > > > Rick Polaski wrote: > > > > > > > Pardon my soap box for a minute. > > > > > > > > I have in the past and currently belong to a number of organization(s) > > that > > > > provide quite a bit > > > > of service for free to many people that have fallen on hard times or > > simply > > > > can not afford much.. I'm not trying to criticize an organization of > > > > dedicated volunteers, but being a dedicated volunteer I personally > would > > > > have a hard time imposing a > > > > fee because poor planning, decision making, or over an emotionally > > charged > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > I feel that if you make a decision, because you do not like your > > > > surroundings or how things are handled, it > > > > should not be up to the rest of us to pay for that decision. > > > > Not everyone has the where with all to pay. > > > > > > > > I originally sent out an email to try to find out what people think > and > > also > > > > to see if anyone could put the > > > > situation into proper perspective. > > > > In light of the absence of this information it seems what your saying > > is > > > > that this information should be for those fortunate enough to be able > to > > > > afford this fee no matter how it was arrived at. > > > > > > > > Also Erie, Just up the road from Meadville ( 45 miles north on I 90) > has > > a > > > > Historical Society with a free library, the only fee is 0.30 cents per > > > > photocopy. How can they obtain this level of service, for free, such a > > short > > > > distance away and Crawford County Historical can not? > > > > It still comes down to this for me, are we being charged for poor > decisi > > ons? > > > > Back in October the Historical Society Library was located in the > > Meadville > > > > Public Library ( info from this list October 2003). Why the move? Did > > the > > > > Library need more room? What was the issue for the Move? > > > > > > > > I do not mind paying the $5 for supporting any program, I also pay for > > my > > > > own mistakes and I'm not looking for a free ride. I also pay taxes, > like > > > > everyone else, some of the tax money is returned in the form of grants > > for > > > > programs like this. I believe I read a while ago Crawford County > > Historical > > > > received some of these funds. What is really going on? > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "David Palmer" <dpalmer@shentel.net> > > > > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:49 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Fw: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical > > Society > > > > > > > > > Sounds like too many people are looking for a free ride. The most > you > > > > have to > > > > > pay is $15 a year. Even one visit would be worth that to me. > Instead > > of > > > > > criticizing an organization of dedicated volunteers, how about > giving > > > > them some > > > > > financial and moral support for all the good work they do? > > > > > Dave Palmer > > > > > Mount Jackson, Virginia > > > > > > > > > > Rick Polaski wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I'm Sorry Darla, I meant to send this to the List. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder why Erie can have a massive library at their Historical > > > > Society > > > > > > and > > > > > > > Meadville can not. > > > > > > > Is it because of mis management, failure to plan, no grant > writing > > > > > > > committee. Correct me if I'm wrong, but > > > > > > > didn't the CCHS have a falling out with their former host. With > > this > > > > in > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > it sounds if everyone will pay > > > > > > > for some bad decisions. If this is true I would have a hard time > > > > shelling > > > > > > > out $5 every visit. > > > > > > > What does anyone think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Darla Mader" <dsmader@qwest.net> > > > > > > > To: <PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:18 PM > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical > > Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you Rob. I have never been able to go to > Crawford > > > > County > > > > > > > > PA and I am a $15 dollar a year member too. I'm sure that > they > > have > > > > > > > > expenses in the new place and I would be happy to pay $5 to > get > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > > door. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Darla Mader > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: waltonrp@bellsouth.net [mailto:waltonrp@bellsouth.net] > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 6:33 PM > > > > > > > > To: PACRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [PACRAWFO] NEW FEES - Crawford County Historical > > > > Society > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to say that everytime I have been at the Historical > > Society, > > > > the > > > > > > > > information that I was able to research was definately worth > $5. > > I > > > > live > > > > > > > > near > > > > > > > > Miami, and plan to visit Crawford this year, I'll just become > a > > > > member. > > > > > > > > $15 > > > > > > > > a year is a pretty good deal for all the information that they > > > > archive > > > > > > > > there. They should have charged a long time ago IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob WALTON > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just FYI, for all of you who have used or plan to use the > > Crawford > > > > > > > > County Historical Society - they now charge a $5.00 admission > > fee. > > > > They > > > > > > > > have not widely publicized this, but since their move to the > new > > > > > > > > facility, this formerly free and open society is on the fast > > track > > > > to > > > > > > > > extinction. The new facility is smaller and much less user > > friendly > > > > > > > > than the old one. I had to work standing up for almost 2 > hours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having been there for 2 months now, they still have yet to > put > > a > > > > sign > > > > > > > > out in front of the building. Even the paper sign on the door > > > > mentions > > > > > > > > nothing about the new entrance fee, but they approach you > > > > immediately > > > > > > > > upon entrance to demand it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I won't be visiting there again anytime soon, and will never > > again > > > > > > > > donate my work to them. It is sad to see the society go into > > > > decline so > > > > > > > > quickly. I would not be surprised to see them close > permanently > > > > before > > > > > > > > long. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > > > > > > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line > > more! > > > > The > > > > > > > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without > 'em! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new > > Immigration > > > > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn > > more. > > > > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the > > Crawford > > > > > > County, > > > > > > > PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new > > Immigration > > > > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn > > more. > > > > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > > > > > > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line > more! > > The > > > > > > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new > Immigration > > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford > > County, > > > > PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? Visit the Crawford > > County, PA USGenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacrawfo > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== PACRAWFO Mailing List ==== > > > Looking for your ancestors in Crawford County? 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Just for the record, I volunteer every Monday at the Clay County Archives in Liberty, Missouri. We receive free rent from the city for the use of a former library but have to pay for all utilities. Our fee for use of the facilities is $5.00 a day or $15.00 for a years membership. Of course, copy work is additional. Most visitors seem to understand when we tell them we have to pay for all the utilities. And of course, there is always someone at the Archives to give help and assistance to our visitors. Jack Moselle