Steven, What Hockenberry line? My great-great-grandmother was a Hockenberry and most of us are related somehow. Justin Justin Kirk Houser Genealogist/Researcher of Central PA and Beyond Main Lines: Houser, Breon, Shawley, Ranio (and others) President, BAHS Class of 2003 Chair, Clinton County (PA) Genealogical Society Cemetery Project Listowner, PACENTRE-L@Rootsweb.com Member, Valley View United Methodist Church "Jesus is All the World to Me"

Hello all, A number of the earliest settlers of Brush Valley did in fact come from York Co. in the early 1790s. Yours could be part of this group, and then they migrated to Clinton County. Justin

Norm, It's not unusual at all for a person with connections toYork and Berks County to end up in Clinton County. Almost all of my Clinton County ancestors hailed from the SE counties of PA. Sugar Valley was actually settled from the SWest (the SW of Centre County, that is) - early settlers came from Brush Valley, Centre County. Many were from Rebersburg and surrounding areas. What took them to Centre County? Well, it's hard for me to understand these trends in migration but I read that some of my ancestors were given land in Centre Co. for Rev. War service. Generally speaking, Clinton County research usually leads one to Centre County - particularly when one is researching the early settlers of Clinton County. Joyce Diehl Norm Steffen wrote: > Dear Mary, > > Thank you very much. Unmarked just may be the case if Henry is there at > all. > > One of my biggest conundrums at the moment is trying to separate the fact > from fiction in the family histories that I have. I have a feeling that > even the fiction has some basis is fact. How much basis....I dunno. > > A question in my mind that begs an answer is why would a family that was > supposedly in York County with some Berks County connections have their > patriarch interred "way up north" in Clinton County? > > Nobody ever said this genealogy thing was easy.... but it sure is fun....:-) > > Thanks again, > Norm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Hoffer" <mhoffer@cub.kcnet.org> > To: <PACLINTO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 7:15 AM > Subject: St Paul's Cemetery > > > Dear Norm, > > After reading the responses to you request, I am finally answering. > > I was born and raised in Loganton, which is in Sugar Valley, and the > > 'Valley' remains close to my heart and interest. I know this 'Valley' > > very well. Yes, there is a Booneville, and also a Greenburr. In > > Greenburr, there are 2 cemeteries, one known as the Reformed and the > > other is and was associated with the Evangelical Church (now known as > > Methodist). About 1 mile west of Greenburr, is the cemetery you seek, > > Called St Paul's, Evangelical, situated next to a church by the same > > name, no longer in use. Also known as Miller's Church and is the second > > oldest burial ground in Sugar Valley. > > However, I could find no record of the name you seek. The name > > "Kahl" is familiar in the 3 cemeteries mentioned above, but no Kahler, > > and no Henry Kahl. Perhaps he lies in an unmarked grave. > > Mary > > > > > > ==== PACLINTO Mailing List ==== > > The West Branch of the Susquehanna River still covers some partial "BOOMS" > from the lumbering days. > > > > ============================== > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ > > > > ==== PACLINTO Mailing List ==== > >From 1795 to 1839 what is now Clinton County was Lycoming County > > ============================== > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/

Dear Mary, Thank you very much. Unmarked just may be the case if Henry is there at all. One of my biggest conundrums at the moment is trying to separate the fact from fiction in the family histories that I have. I have a feeling that even the fiction has some basis is fact. How much basis....I dunno. A question in my mind that begs an answer is why would a family that was supposedly in York County with some Berks County connections have their patriarch interred "way up north" in Clinton County? Nobody ever said this genealogy thing was easy.... but it sure is fun....:-) Thanks again, Norm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Hoffer" <mhoffer@cub.kcnet.org> To: <PACLINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 7:15 AM Subject: St Paul's Cemetery > Dear Norm, > After reading the responses to you request, I am finally answering. > I was born and raised in Loganton, which is in Sugar Valley, and the > 'Valley' remains close to my heart and interest. I know this 'Valley' > very well. Yes, there is a Booneville, and also a Greenburr. In > Greenburr, there are 2 cemeteries, one known as the Reformed and the > other is and was associated with the Evangelical Church (now known as > Methodist). About 1 mile west of Greenburr, is the cemetery you seek, > Called St Paul's, Evangelical, situated next to a church by the same > name, no longer in use. Also known as Miller's Church and is the second > oldest burial ground in Sugar Valley. > However, I could find no record of the name you seek. The name > "Kahl" is familiar in the 3 cemeteries mentioned above, but no Kahler, > and no Henry Kahl. Perhaps he lies in an unmarked grave. > Mary > > > ==== PACLINTO Mailing List ==== > The West Branch of the Susquehanna River still covers some partial "BOOMS" from the lumbering days. > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ >

Dear Norm, After reading the responses to you request, I am finally answering. I was born and raised in Loganton, which is in Sugar Valley, and the 'Valley' remains close to my heart and interest. I know this 'Valley' very well. Yes, there is a Booneville, and also a Greenburr. In Greenburr, there are 2 cemeteries, one known as the Reformed and the other is and was associated with the Evangelical Church (now known as Methodist). About 1 mile west of Greenburr, is the cemetery you seek, Called St Paul's, Evangelical, situated next to a church by the same name, no longer in use. Also known as Miller's Church and is the second oldest burial ground in Sugar Valley. However, I could find no record of the name you seek. The name "Kahl" is familiar in the 3 cemeteries mentioned above, but no Kahler, and no Henry Kahl. Perhaps he lies in an unmarked grave. Mary

Norm, Yes, those names are viable today. Loganton is in Sugar Valley, Clinton County, PA. Greenburr is a few miles from Loganton. There is a cemetery in Greenburr, but I never knew it to be called St. Paul's. St. Paul's Cemetery is right in Loganton. Joyce Diehl Norm Steffen wrote: > Just in case any one missed the middle and end of my lengthy epistle from > yesterday…. I would like to ask again. Might anyone on the list recognize > the location below? > > “Henry Kahler is buried at St. Paul’s Evangelical Church near Green Burr, > about three miles from Logantown, Clinton County, Pennsylvania” > > Are any of those names (St. Paul’s Evangelical Church / Green Burr / > Logantown) viable these days? > > Thanks, > Norm Steffen > > ==== PACLINTO Mailing List ==== > The West Branch of the Susquehanna River still covers some partial "BOOMS" from the lumbering days. > > ============================== > Ancestry.com now has more than 200,000 subscribers! To celebrate, > access to ALL of Ancestry.com will be free from July 18 to July 31! > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/freepromo.asp?sourcecode=A11AM

Thanks Justin, Looking more and more promising....:-) (the rise before the fall if my luck hold true...:-) Thanks again, Norm ----- Original Message ----- From: <JKHouser84@aol.com> To: <PACLINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 8:53 AM Subject: Re: St. Paul's Evangelical Church near Green Burr near Logantown > Norm, > > Yes, Greenburr still exists, three miles from Loganton (minus the "w"). I am > having computer troubles and do not have my cemetery lists at hand at > present. . . so can't say anything about cemeteries in Greenburr, but it > strikes me from memory that there is a United Methodist Cemetery there, and, > of course, before 1946, that would have been Evangelical. Hope this is of > help. > > The Clinton County Genealogical Society is at present trying to record all of > Clinton County's cemeteries but as of yet we have not visited this one. > > Justin Houser > > > ==== PACLINTO Mailing List ==== > From 1772 to 1795 what is now Clinton County was Northumberland County > > ============================== > Ancestry.com now has more than 200,000 subscribers! To celebrate, > access to ALL of Ancestry.com will be free from July 18 to July 31! > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/freepromo.asp?sourcecode=A11AM >

Thank you....:-) I will have to go see what there is to see there. Norm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry McCloskey" <jrm18@psu.edu> To: <PACLINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 7:56 AM Subject: Re: St. Paul's Evangelical Church near Green Burr near Loganto wn > Hi Norm, > Yes, I know where Green Burr is my wifes great-uncle lived there till his > death. It is located between Loganton and Booneville as for the church > there is one at the intersection where you turn to go to Green Burr and it > has a cemetery. > > Sincerely, > Jerry R. McCloskey > > ============================================================ > =================== > At 09:37 PM 7/31/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >Just in case any one missed the middle and end of my lengthy epistle from > >yesterday.. I would like to ask again. Might anyone on the list recognize > >the location below? > > > >"Henry Kahler is buried at St. Paul's Evangelical Church near Green Burr, > >about three miles from Logantown, Clinton County, Pennsylvania" > > > > > >Are any of those names (St. Paul's Evangelical Church / Green Burr / > >Logantown) viable these days? > > > >Thanks, > >Norm Steffen > > > > > > > >==== PACLINTO Mailing List ==== > >The West Branch of the Susquehanna River still covers some partial "BOOMS" > >from the lumbering days. > > > >============================== > >Ancestry.com now has more than 200,000 subscribers! To celebrate, > >access to ALL of Ancestry.com will be free from July 18 to July 31! > >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/freepromo.asp?sourcecode=A11AM > > Jerry R. McCloskey > 5496 Jacksonville Rd. > Howard, PA 16841-3820 > ------------------------------ > E-mail address's: > jrm18@psu.edu > or > jmcc72@yahoo.com > --------------------------- > Clinton Co. Genealogical Society - Member > Surname's: McCloskey, Yarnell, Decker, Wadsworth, Mentzer/Menser, DeHaas, > McGhee/McGee, Waggoner/Wagner, Leitch/Leech, Butler's of Clarion Co., PA > > > ==== PACLINTO Mailing List ==== > The Great Island divides the West Branch of the Susquehanna within the limits of Clinton County > > ============================== > Ancestry.com now has more than 200,000 subscribers! To celebrate, > access to ALL of Ancestry.com will be free from July 18 to July 31! > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/freepromo.asp?sourcecode=A11AM >

Hi Norm, Yes, I know where Green Burr is my wifes great-uncle lived there till his death. It is located between Loganton and Booneville as for the church there is one at the intersection where you turn to go to Green Burr and it has a cemetery. Sincerely, Jerry R. McCloskey ============================================================ =================== At 09:37 PM 7/31/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Just in case any one missed the middle and end of my lengthy epistle from >yesterday…. I would like to ask again. Might anyone on the list recognize >the location below? > >“Henry Kahler is buried at St. Paul’s Evangelical Church near Green Burr, >about three miles from Logantown, Clinton County, Pennsylvania” > > >Are any of those names (St. Paul’s Evangelical Church / Green Burr / >Logantown) viable these days? > >Thanks, >Norm Steffen > > > >==== PACLINTO Mailing List ==== >The West Branch of the Susquehanna River still covers some partial "BOOMS" >from the lumbering days. > >============================== >Ancestry.com now has more than 200,000 subscribers! To celebrate, >access to ALL of Ancestry.com will be free from July 18 to July 31! >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/freepromo.asp?sourcecode=A11AM Jerry R. McCloskey 5496 Jacksonville Rd. Howard, PA 16841-3820 - ---------------------------- E-mail address's: jrm18@psu.edu or jmcc72@yahoo.com --------------------------- Clinton Co. Genealogical Society - Member Surname's: McCloskey, Yarnell, Decker, Wadsworth, Mentzer/Menser, DeHaas, McGhee/McGee, Waggoner/Wagner, Leitch/Leech, Butler's of Clarion Co., PA

Norm, Yes, Greenburr still exists, three miles from Loganton (minus the "w"). I am having computer troubles and do not have my cemetery lists at hand at present. . . so can't say anything about cemeteries in Greenburr, but it strikes me from memory that there is a United Methodist Cemetery there, and, of course, before 1946, that would have been Evangelical. Hope this is of help. The Clinton County Genealogical Society is at present trying to record all of Clinton County's cemeteries but as of yet we have not visited this one. Justin Houser

Just in case any one missed the middle and end of my lengthy epistle from yesterday…. I would like to ask again. Might anyone on the list recognize the location below? “Henry Kahler is buried at St. Paul’s Evangelical Church near Green Burr, about three miles from Logantown, Clinton County, Pennsylvania” Are any of those names (St. Paul’s Evangelical Church / Green Burr / Logantown) viable these days? Thanks, Norm Steffen

Hi Pennsylvania folks. I have been trying to track down info about my GGGG Grandfather Herni KA(H)LER/KEHLER.and his family in the late 1700’s and early 1800’s. My good fortune is that I have two family histories written by Henri’s great grandson, Samuel P. Kaler. One dated 1887 the other 1899. If you care to browse the earlier one you can find it at http://www.kneller.com/WhitleyIN/ My bad fortune is that the facts he offers are uh… um…. a bit confused (and maybe emblished) in a few areas…. like who Henry married. I hope Henry had it right…:-) Also I doubt that Henri was General Nathaniel Greens #1 man as I can’t find him in any of Greene’s bios. Nor have I found him in any of the DAR info I can lay my hands on. But…never fear…according to Samuel…. In the 1887 manuscript “His wife Jane Hammond was a blooming Quaker lass of 18 and like her husband, an orphan… They were married at Mr. Leeden's house in Baltimore, on the evening of February 16, 1788 by Rev. Gutschalf, pastor of the First Lutheran Church of that city.” And… “Within a few days after their marriage Henry set out for the interior of the country in search of a home, for he had saved a few hundred dollars, as near as we can ascertain, about five hundred dollars. He journeyed to Monheim township, York county, Pennsylvania, and purchased 68 acres of land, quite well improved and paid for it in cash $450.00 in gold, which he carried along sowed up in his nether garment.” And… “His ashes sleep in the old church yard in Monheim Township. The spot, says Mr. Clark, is faintly marked by a crumbling sandstone, placed there away back in the forties, by some one, he knows not who.” In the 1899 manuscript: “Gen. Greene secured him employment with a man in Baltimore named Leedon, where he worked and lived economically until 1788 when he married Catherine Frien, who was a domestic in Mr. Leedon’s family. This marriage was solemnized by Rev Gutschaff and thereafter, on the advice of the officiating clergyman he wrote his name Kahler” And… “Within a few days after the marriage he went to Monheim township, York County, Pennsylvania and bout sixty-eight acres of land paying for it $240 in gold.” (Hey…he got a break on the price…:-) And… “Henry Kahler is buried at St. Paul’s Evangelical Church near Green Burr, about three miles from Logantown, Clinton County, Pennsylvania”. Well to make a long story even longer I had been looking in York County and finding NADA. Then, while making motel reservations to take my daughter to a horse show I thought was in Hershey I discovered that the motel was in Manhiem, Lancaster County, PA. Owww…my head hurts…too many Manhiems. I think I have learned that in SE PA there are Manhiems a bunch and the counties have been re-arranged a couple of times. If any of this makes any sense to anyone I sure would appreciate a pointer in the right direction. Sincerely, Norm Steffen

Hi - I am looking for information on Franklin M. Noecker and his descendants. He was born July 22, 1864 in Schuylkill Co., PA. In 1915 he was living in Renovo, Clinton Co., PA. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Gregory

Unfortunately I cannot attend either. Sure wish I could also. I agree with Barb's request, please lets know if any one attends. Dave <snip> > Would be nice if someone who attends this meeting would post any ideas, etc. that they learn about. Wish I could go <sob, sob> > > Barb

Would be nice if someone who attends this meeting would post any ideas, etc. that they learn about. Wish I could go <sob, sob> Barb ------Original Message------ From: "Dave Wallace" <dwallace@cub.kcnet.org> To: PACLINTO-L@rootsweb.com Sent: July 26, 2000 11:10:08 PM GMT Subject: Announcement > "Internet Resources for Genealogists," a free presentation and > discussion > given by the Genealogical Computing Association of Pennsylvania (GenCAP), > will be held at 10:00am on Saturday, August 12th, in the Winsor

Hi listers, The State coordinator and GenCAP has requested all list managers post the following to their list. Thank You, Dave Wallace List manager, paclinto-L@rootsweb.com Webmaster Clinton County, PA, Genealogy http://www.kcnet.org/~history/ Vice Pres. Clinton County Genealogical Society PO Box 193 Castanea PA, 17726 <SNIP> > "Internet Resources for Genealogists," a free presentation and > discussion > given by the Genealogical Computing Association of Pennsylvania (GenCAP), > will be held at 10:00am on Saturday, August 12th, in the Winsor Room of the > Me > morial Library of Radnor Township, 114 W. Wayne Ave., Wayne (Delaware Co.), > PA, and is open to the public. GenCAP board members will identify and > describe a selection of websites that aid in researching one's family > history. Among these will be the LDS (Mormon) Church's FamilySearch > Internet > Genealogy Service, the Pennsylvania GenWeb network of county websites and > the > Ancestry.com/RootsWeb collection of databases. The meeting will be > informal, > allowing attendees time to share ideas and ask questions. > Public parking is available and the meeting room is handicap accessible. > For directions to the library, see > http://www.delco.lib.pa.us/radnor/gen_directions.html > The Genealogical Computing Association of Pennsylvania (GenCAP), founded > in 1986, is a not-for-profit educational association of genealogists who use > computers in their work. GenCAP is open to all who have an interest in the > application of computers to genealogical research or the organization and > reporting of that research. The association publishes a quarterly newsletter > containing instructive and informative articles of interest to beginners as > well as to very experienced computer users. Many of the examples used in the > newsletter focus on Pennsylvania families, but there is no geographic > boundary for membership.

The following 1850 Clinton Co. census may be Sarah (Summerson) Smith, daughter of David Summerson Jr. & Elizabeth (Shaffer) Summerson, who married Samuel Smith on Dec. 23, 1845. Sarah was born abt 1824 Lycoming Co., & died Feb. 15, 1911, but I do not know where. 1850 Lumber Twp., Clinton Co., PA., pg 92, dwelling #13, family #13: Smith, Samuel 26yrs male Lumber maker born PA. ..."...., Sarah 26yrs female ..."...., Hiram 4yrs male ..."...., John E. 2yrs male The next household is Jacob Smith 53yr & Eliza (spouse) 46yr. & their children. Is there anyone on this list that researched this Smith family, that could tell us whether or not, these are the parents of the above Samuel Smith, and if this Samuel Smith is the correct one that married Sarah Summerson? Thanks Everyone! Dianne Croak

I have the Lock Haven Express obit on the above Flemington woman. I was wondering if anyone knows of other newspapers that may have written an obituary on her and if so, how might I obtain it. Thank you, George Reamer **************************************************************************** ********* George Reamer P.O. Box 101 Garden City NY 11530-0101 sum1@optonline.net (sum1 as in someone) formerly greamer@netmonger.net Member: Clinton County Historical Society Centre County Genealogical Society National Genealogical Society and holder of program certificate in genealogy SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL GENEALOGICAL AND HISTORICAL SOCIETIES1 **************************************************************************** *******

Roslyn, If you send me your postal, I will send a hand-drawn map of the Big Island or Great Island in the Susquehanna river within the boundaries of Dunnstown, PA. Please use ddeise@bigfoot.com for all mail Dick Deise, 199 Carolyn Road, Union, NJ 07083-9402 ddeise@bigfoot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "The McLendon's" <nonny984@home.ffni.com> To: <PACLINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 3:34 PM Subject: Dunns Island > Has anyone every heard of Dunn's Island or a family of Dunns that owned a > sawmill on Dunn's Island around the time of the revolutionary war? Thanks, > Roslyn > > > ==== PACLINTO Mailing List ==== > Several attempts were made to form Clinton County, the name applied for on the failed attempts was Eagle County > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi >

Has anyone every heard of Dunn's Island or a family of Dunns that owned a sawmill on Dunn's Island around the time of the revolutionary war? Thanks, Roslyn