Hi Peggy, Thank you so much. More pieces to put together! Belinda Murray was John Alexander Murray's mother. His father, William, died when he was young and as the only surviving son he took care of his mother until her death -with the exception of the time he spent fighting in the Civil war (he was present at Appomatix when Lee surrendered.) When he returned home Sarah Jane and children had gone to Nebraska with her father and his new wife - when I read they went there it did not make sense that George Kyler who I thought was her father, being as old as he was, would start such a new adventure. John Murray went to get his family and all returned to Clearfield County where I was born and raised. Belinda was a daughter of Neimiaha Mains. LDS is all over the Mains family from Clearfield. They decend from the Plymoth Colony - -not the Mayflower but from the second ship arriving the following April. I don't know any of them. Christina was a Schimmel by birth and married George Kyler. LDS has them listed as Sarah Jane's parents rather than her grandparents. I am grateful for Larry Blooms information that cleared that up for me. I would love to know who George Murray and Amelia Shimel are. Probably relatives from both sides. When I come home again, soon I hope, I will have to explore more about the Schimmel and Kyler relationships. Do you know anything about the Clearfield Historical Society. Should I start there? Thank you, Sue Carns

Sue, I just did some digging and found John A. Murray and Sarah J. on the 1860 census in Bradford, Clearfield, PA. Listed with them is Amelia SHIMEL, age 3, George Murray, age 33 and Belinda Murray, age 56. I then went to the Clearfield Marriage Book and looked under Shimmel and there are quite a few listed. Although I see no Christina's attached to any of the Shimmel men. I also checked the Murray's and find no Belinda marrying a Murray. I did find something interesting tho. Listed is a J. Kyler Murray & Ada Stewart who were married 12/28/1882. I'm like the person who throws a box of matches at you and tells you to find one that's different from all the rest. I'm hoping some of this helps. On 1/24/07, Peggy DeHoog <wletto@gmail.com> wrote: > > I emailed you about Sarah's relationship with Joseph & Hannah. DId you > receive an email from Larry Bloom? That's the only Larry I know who might > have this info. > > Anyway, to answer your question, I simply used the census to track Sarah. > I don't have a connection with Christina. To be honest I don't know why I > have this Kyler listed. MY database sometimes gets ahead of me. I'm a Bloom > descendent and I know that there are Kylers who are either ancestors or > descendents of Blooms so somewhere along the line someone gave these names > and I neglected to add the source to the name. > > Another question was just raised by my looking at the Marriages of > Clearfield County book. There is listed an Anderson Murray who married > Peninah Kyler. Have I got Sarah married to the wrong person? > > Also, this book has no Schimmels. > > I'm sorry if I have confused the issues, although I do have John Alexander > Murray married to Sarah. The children of this union are Elmer E., Lillian M. > Amos, James I, Mabel V., Grace Mae, Fanny Lucinda, Lois and Martha. This is > confirmed by the 1880 census of Goshen, Clearfield, PA. > > I may have raised more questions than I have answered and would like to > have my info corrected if you or anyone can. > > Thanks > Peggy > > > On 1/24/07, SueCarns@aol.com <SueCarns@aol.com> wrote: > > > > Hi, are you a relation of either the Schimmel or the Kylers? My > > ggrandmother > > was Sarah Jane Kyler Murray. Larry has just e-mailed me and told me her > > > > parents were Joseph Kyler and Hannah Hammacher. Do you know anything > > about the > > relationship between Joseph Kyler and George and Christina Schimmel > > Kyler? > > Hoping to hear from you. > > Sue > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PACLEARF-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

I emailed you about Sarah's relationship with Joseph & Hannah. DId you receive an email from Larry Bloom? That's the only Larry I know who might have this info. Anyway, to answer your question, I simply used the census to track Sarah. I don't have a connection with Christina. To be honest I don't know why I have this Kyler listed. MY database sometimes gets ahead of me. I'm a Bloom descendent and I know that there are Kylers who are either ancestors or descendents of Blooms so somewhere along the line someone gave these names and I neglected to add the source to the name. Another question was just raised by my looking at the Marriages of Clearfield County book. There is listed an Anderson Murray who married Peninah Kyler. Have I got Sarah married to the wrong person? Also, this book has no Schimmels. I'm sorry if I have confused the issues, although I do have John Alexander Murray married to Sarah. The children of this union are Elmer E., Lillian M. Amos, James I, Mabel V., Grace Mae, Fanny Lucinda, Lois and Martha. This is confirmed by the 1880 census of Goshen, Clearfield, PA. I may have raised more questions than I have answered and would like to have my info corrected if you or anyone can. Thanks Peggy On 1/24/07, SueCarns@aol.com <SueCarns@aol.com> wrote: > > Hi, are you a relation of either the Schimmel or the Kylers? My > ggrandmother > was Sarah Jane Kyler Murray. Larry has just e-mailed me and told me her > parents were Joseph Kyler and Hannah Hammacher. Do you know anything > about the > relationship between Joseph Kyler and George and Christina Schimmel Kyler? > Hoping to hear from you. > Sue > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACLEARF-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, are you a relation of either the Schimmel or the Kylers? My ggrandmother was Sarah Jane Kyler Murray. Larry has just e-mailed me and told me her parents were Joseph Kyler and Hannah Hammacher. Do you know anything about the relationship between Joseph Kyler and George and Christina Schimmel Kyler? Hoping to hear from you. Sue

Larry, you've seen my email, is my info correct? I just noticed another Sarah J. and siblings born 1838 but with no parents, well, not living with Kylers. On 1/24/07, SueCarns@aol.com <SueCarns@aol.com> wrote: > > Hi Larry > Our e-mails are crossing. I just sent you a request for the kind of info > that I am sure you do not have. Can I ask, tho, how you know so much and > are not > related to either family? > Thanking you again, > Sue > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACLEARF-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Larry Our e-mails are crossing. I just sent you a request for the kind of info that I am sure you do not have. Can I ask, tho, how you know so much and are not related to either family? Thanking you again, Sue

Hi, I'm not a Kyler or a Schimmel, but what little info I have on Sarah is that she is the daughter of Joseph Kyler (age 41) and Hannah Hommacher (age37). I have her birthdate as 1843. The 1850 Census for GIrard, Clearfield, PA dated 14 Aug 1850, has Joseph & Hannah on the bottom of one page and the children on the top of the next. They are listed as: Elizabeth, age 16 Levi, age 15 George, age 12 Benjamin, age 11 Richard, age 9 Sarah J., age 7 James K., age 3 Joseph, age 1 Hope this helps. On 1/24/07, SueCarns@aol.com <SueCarns@aol.com> wrote: > > Looking up information on Johann George Schimmel. My grandmother, Sarah > Jane > Kyler Murray is a descendent from his daughter, Christina. However > internet > research on LDS indicates she is a daughter of Christina and George Kyler. > Problem! Christina would have been 55years old when Sarah was born. I > believe > an intermittent marriage must have occured and Sarah Jane's father was > Joseph > A. Kyler meaning she was Christina's granddaughter not her daughter. Any > information on Joseph Kyler or Johann Schimmel or would be greatly > appreciated. > > Hoping to hear form the Kylers or the Schimmels. > Thank you - Sue > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACLEARF-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Looking up information on Johann George Schimmel. My grandmother, Sarah Jane Kyler Murray is a descendent from his daughter, Christina. However internet research on LDS indicates she is a daughter of Christina and George Kyler. Problem! Christina would have been 55years old when Sarah was born. I believe an intermittent marriage must have occured and Sarah Jane's father was Joseph A. Kyler meaning she was Christina's granddaughter not her daughter. Any information on Joseph Kyler or Johann Schimmel or would be greatly appreciated. Hoping to hear form the Kylers or the Schimmels. Thank you - Sue

Francis Henri (Fronce also called France)'s descendants now go by the surname LaBalle. Fronce was only 33 when he died in 1917. His wife Gerdy Dora Beckwith LaBalle was a proprietor of a restaurant on Main Street, Vintondale Borough on the 1920 census records. Fronce's parents brought his brother Ernest, sister Mary Ann & him from France in 1878. It is believed Fronce's father died within the first year after arriving in the United States. The family was then found in the 1880 census records in the Village of Sterling, Houtzdale, PA Clearfield County as step children under the house hold of Peter Lacourt [Lacour] & mother Josephine. Ernest 12 years, working in the mines. Mary Ann was 10. Francis was listed under Henry in this census record at age 6; & Mary Jane was rounded off to 6 months, however was at least 8 or closer to 9 months. This record shows the children under the name of LaBolle. Ernest married Mary Ann Johncour. Mary Ann married Peter Johncour. Fronce of course is listed above & Mary Jane married Alexander Lann. The 3 Mary's above were so confusing to the people that wrote about them. Very rarely was the correct Mary put in the correct position that the people were writing about. LaBelle, in one article alone was spelled 3 different ways. There are several records listing Fronce as Lacour. The 1910 census records listed him under the household of Peter Lacour. He was 26 then so I am sure no one probably specified step son then. I am sure there were probably others that only knew the person that raised Fronce as Peter Lacour & naturally thought he was his biological parent. Then, since he had employment records under the name of Lacour, I guess it didn't matter what name you used back then & Fronce was listed on the majority of the written records. Hope that was explained ok & I didn't confuse you more. Susan NCN, Dec 12, 1902 MARRIAGE LICENSES Virginia Sheets of MARION MINE, SUSQUEHANNA TOWNSHIP and Fedelis Gray of Spangler. Note: Does anyone know where Marion Mine was located in Susquehanna Township? This is the first I have heard of it, although the Census had a Marion Mine Road. LOCALS: Fronce LaBelle drove over from Cherrytree Friday afternoon. Note: He is LaBelle here and LeCour otherwise. Which is correct? NCN Sept 12, 1902 PERSONAL MENTION: Mr. and Mrs. Frantz [sic] LaCour of Glenn Campbell were in town on Wednesday. NCN, September 10, 1902 PERSONAL MENTION Torres Beckwith and Fronce LaCour, formerly of this place, have purchased the hotel at Cherrytree. Mr. Beckwith was a visitor in town on Tuesday. Miss Ella Beckwith, of Glen Campbell, spent Sunday with friends in town. North Cambria News, Friday, July 3, 1902 PERSONAL MENTION; Torres Beckwith and Stephen Ross, of Pittsburg[h] are in town for the Fourth. ________________________________________________________________________

Researchers of Emanuel Ebbs I I have just come across some valuable Ebbs family information that I would like to share. This shows connections of our PA Ebbs to Ebbs aIl over the county. It is just to much of a job for me to take on without taking forever. I would like to pass on what I have in hopes of not only helping someone else out there that might be looking for something, but possibly to also help the rest of us put some pieces together a little faster. It could also be that this is information some of you might already have I don't know. It's just an exciting find for me & of course a lot of work perfecting all those pieces. If anyone is interested in this information, please respond to new e-mail address slbearer@comcast.net Susan

I need to find parents for Alice SHOCKEY b 1879 and res Pike Twp Clearfield Co in 1880 census with Abraham and Delilah OWENS BLOOM. She is listed as an orphan. Are they related? Is she an illegitimate child of Nannie R SHOCKEY, d/o John Valentine SHOCKEY and wife Mary Ann ORT? Mary Ann is listed as married and res with Nannie R and William FISHER in DuBois in 1880, and John V is living in Ada, Hardin Co, OH, with son Abraham C and other family members, and is also listed as married. Alice Balest nee Shockey

Hello All, I scanned and uploaded another 20 pages (220-240) of the book "Pennsylvania Colony and Commonwealth". For those interested in reading the book it's at http://www.midatlanticarchives.com Alan RESEARCHING: Buckingham, Gilpin, Eastburn, Jeanes, Nowland, Wade, Creswell, Vansant and related families -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.2/641 - Release Date: 1/20/2007 10:24 AM

The animals then were a direct threat to livestock. Predatory animals are smarter than we give them credit for and when they can bring down prey with little or no effort i.e., sheep, cows etc, then they will do so instead of stalking deer in the wild. Most of the panthers were not hunted out of malice but out of fear for loss of livestock. Rob Barrett >From: Reneelwaring@aol.com >Reply-To: paclearf@rootsweb.com >To: paclearf@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PACLEARF] Stories of Pennsylvania Animals >Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:40:59 EST > >In a message dated 1/13/07 11:22:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, >suerenkert@gci.net writes: >It is a very interesting read. The article is specific to the Central >Pennsylvania mountains, and tells of the various species of wild animals, >many >already hunted to extinction, that were commonplace during the lifetime of >out >ancestors. > >I think many of you will find this interesting. > >Sue >Thank you Sue. I have seen a newspaper article with a photo of my Waring >family with a barn side filled with black panther pelts. We supposedly >killed >the last black panther in Clearfield County. I don't believe it since they >have >been seen since then but the number of hides nailed to the side of that >barn >is enough to make you cry. Definitly NOT something to be proud of but it >does >give you an idea of how the inhabitants felt about this animal at that >time. >We've come a long way (I hope) towards having empathy towards this >beautiful >animal and others naturally found in this habitat. > >Renee Waring > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PACLEARF-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get live scores and news about your team: Add the Live.com Football Page www.live.com/?addtemplate=football&icid=T001MSN30A0701

In a message dated 1/13/07 11:22:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, suerenkert@gci.net writes: It is a very interesting read. The article is specific to the Central Pennsylvania mountains, and tells of the various species of wild animals, many already hunted to extinction, that were commonplace during the lifetime of out ancestors. I think many of you will find this interesting. Sue Thank you Sue. I have seen a newspaper article with a photo of my Waring family with a barn side filled with black panther pelts. We supposedly killed the last black panther in Clearfield County. I don't believe it since they have been seen since then but the number of hides nailed to the side of that barn is enough to make you cry. Definitly NOT something to be proud of but it does give you an idea of how the inhabitants felt about this animal at that time. We've come a long way (I hope) towards having empathy towards this beautiful animal and others naturally found in this habitat. Renee Waring

In a message dated 1/13/2007 11:21:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, suerenkert@gci.net writes: http://www.altoonalibrary.org/books/stories%20of%20pa%20animals/stories%20of%2 0pa%20animals-html.htm ........Grant Berry We fail to see the vital point, That 'tis the eighth most deadly sin, To wail "The World is out of joint!" And not attempt to put it in. SURGE OUR TROOPS HOME !!! "...to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is the meaning of success." - Ralph Waldo Emerson Great works are performed not by strength but by perseverance. - Samuel Johnson "I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no feet." ~ Indian Proverb "The way you shout into the woods is the way the echo comes back." German saying meaning the way you treat others is the way they will treat you.

An extensive article, "Stories of Pennsylvania Animals" by Henry W. Shoemaker, is online at http://www.altoonalibrary.org/books/stories%20of%20pa%20animals/stories%20of%20pa%20animals-html.htm It is a very interesting read. The article is specific to the Central Pennsylvania mountains, and tells of the various species of wild animals, many already hunted to extinction, that were commonplace during the lifetime of out ancestors. I think many of you will find this interesting. Sue (in Alaska where we still have beavers in the back yard!)

Hello All, I scanned and uploaded another 20 pages (200-220) of the book "Pennsylvania Colony and Commonwealth". For those interested in reading the book it's at http://www.midatlanticarchives.com Alan RESEARCHING: Buckingham, Gilpin, Eastburn, Jeanes, Nowland, Wade, Creswell, Vansant and related families -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: 1/12/2007 2:04 PM

I show a McCartney in Clearfield County, Jordan Township in a 1900 listing of cities, boroughs and villages of Pennsylvania. Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: <SueCarns@aol.com> To: <paclearf@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [PACLEARF] McCartney > Hi Beth, > > Interesting about McCartney, Pa. I was born and raised in Clearfield Cty. > (have been gone for many years but come back frequently.) My mothers > family > were McCartans, very proud of their Irish ancestry. Because of this, I > think I > would have heard of Mccartney, Pa. Have some old maps and will check it > out. > Do you know what township it is in? > > Sue Carns. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACLEARF-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi: December 1994 Volume 1 The Progress Presents A View From A collection of stories about local communities Annie Lynn, Correspondent McCartney----The small town , nestled among rolling hills and trees and memories, is a reminder now of glory days long gone, except in the recollections of those who hold it dear. McCartney, located 5 miles from Madera, was once a thriving mining town. Portions of a coal tipple and vestiges of the railroad bed are all that are left to tell of those days. In 1994 " Currently there are 23 homes in McCartney, one church. and one business. Students attend the Moshannon Valley Schools." The article does not mention how it got it's name.. It's a nice article on McCartney. Some names mentioned, George Coleman, Ed Gallagher, Angelo Flasko (Frisko). If anyone wants further info please email me Kathy ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

McCartney is (or was) in Jordan township in the extreme east corner of the township. That's according to "Pennsylvania Atlas and Gazetteer" copyrighted 1996 by DeLorme. Jim in Clearfield County ----- Original Message ----- From: <SueCarns@aol.com> To: <paclearf@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [PACLEARF] McCartney > Hi Beth, > > Interesting about McCartney, Pa. I was born and raised in Clearfield Cty. > (have been gone for many years but come back frequently.) My mothers > family > were McCartans, very proud of their Irish ancestry. Because of this, I > think I > would have heard of Mccartney, Pa. Have some old maps and will check it > out. > Do you know what township it is in? > > Sue Carns. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACLEARF-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >