Sorry Eric, I gave you incorrect info. I descend from William Himes and Barbara Hetrick. William son of John George Jr. and Rosina Miller, son of John George Sr. got my Williams mixed up. I note that I have Jacob Himes b.5/25/1800 son of John William Himes and Elizabeth Krebs, married to Catherine Raybuck. I have only Jacob's death date source as Russel Himes' readding of grave stone. No other info on this couple except these notes: Information posted on GenForum places this Jacob with William Himes and Anna Heterick although other sources place Jacob born in 1800 with parents William Himes and Elizabeth Krebs. Source was Martha H. Breene cemhbreene@mail.usachoice.net but e-mail bounced back. I believe she has confused the son of William and Elizabeth with Jacob son of William and Anna. Their Jacob's birth date has not been deterimed. NOTE: HERE ARE MY NOTES ON JACOB MARRIED TO CATHERINE KOHLER WHICH DO GIVE SOURCE FOR jACOB'S BIRTH DATE: Other sources have birth date at 3/31/1782. Vada McCracken of Brookville, gives date of birth as 5/14/1782 and death as 6/20/1858.Tim Conrad of Allentown, PA gives the birth date as 3/14 and the baptism as 3/21. Himmel Church Records, on line at Rootsweb, giveS birth as 3/31/1782 & baptisms as 4/14/1782 Eric Swab states Jacob was married to Catherine Raybuck, b. 9/13/1785 and d 3/13/1858 and had a daughter Elizabeth who married David Swab. There is another Jacob married to Sarah Confer who was born around 1812 and is in the 1880 census as living in Elk county and buried at Brockport. Confusion about these two is evident. (end notes) I also have your note attached to Jacob Himes b 1782 son of John George Jr. and Rosina Miller and have him married to Catherine Kohler. I'm still confused! Mary in Ohio -- N2NET (http://www.n2net.net) ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Mary Boehnlein" <maryb@nacs.net> To: PACLARIO-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:31:19 -0500 Subject: RE: [CLARION] SWAB SWARTZ Photos > Eric, > Yes, it fits my family. I descend from William Himes son of Jacob > and Catherine. I was not the source of Rayburn, only name I have is > Kohler but I have in my notes that you gave her name as Rayburn. We > corresponded before about this. My grandmother Alice Himes used to > mention the Rayburns and that we were related to them but, of course, > I wasn't too interested in any of that then. > > Could you share more information on David and Elizabeth's children's > dates and their descendents? I have only their names and nothing > further. I will be gald to share with you the updated information I > have on Alice Himes' family as one of her sister's descendents > contacted me this year and gave me info on the Snyder/Himes line. > Mary in Ohio researching HIMES, NEWHOUSE, MAHER, MANNING, CROSSON, > DOHERTY, BOEHNLEIN, WEAVER ETC. > > -- > N2NET (http://www.n2net.net) > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > From: Eric Swab <eswab@adelphia.net> > To: PACLARIO-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 03:14:01 -0700 > Subject: RE: [CLARION] SWAB SWARTZ Photos > > > Mary, > > > > Yes, David wife was Elizabeth Himes daughter of Johann Jacob Himes > > and Catherine Raybuck/Kohler. I am not sure of the significance of > > the Raybuck/Kohler wheather she had been married before or my source > > was uncertain of her surname. That source may have been you, or > > Elaine Swab > > (this was back in the day before I realized the importance of > > documenting my sources). > > > > David's parents were Johannes Schwab 1770 - 24 Dec 1842 and Barbara > > > > (Kohler?) 1774 - After 1850. This comes from the settlement of > > Johannes Schwab's estate uncovered by Brian Hale. > > > > We know that Johannes and Barbara's oldest children were born in > > Northampton Co. the next several children were born in Westmoreland > > County before the family moved to Venango Co. > > > > Does this fit your family? > > > > Eric > > > > At 10:17 PM 11/30/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > >Eric, > > >Did David Swab marry Elizabeth Himes daughter of Jacob and Catherine? If > so > > >this is mt line too. who were David's parents? > > >Mary in Ohio > > > > > > > > >-- > > >N2NET (http://www.n2net.net) > > > > > > > > >---------- Original Message ----------- > > >From: Eric Swab <eswab@adelphia.net> > > >To: PACLARIO-L@rootsweb.com > > >Sent: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:20:12 -0700 > > >Subject: RE: [CLARION] SWAB SWARTZ Photos > > > > > > > Lori, > > > > > > > > The Elizabeth (Keck) Swartz in the picture was the daughter of > > > > George Keck > > > > b. 22-Oct-1804 d. 18-Jun-1866 and Susannah Yeany b. 16-Mar-1807 d. > > > > 20-Mar-1882. > > > > > > > > Theresa Swab was the d/o David Swab b. 23-Feb-1804 d. 06-Dec-1872 my > > > > great great grandfather. Until your email, I was only aware of the > > > > 1st 4 of their children. What is your source for Lottie and Emma? > > > > Do you have their dates. > > > > > > > > I also have a Harriet Stahlman b. 02-Jan-1851 d. 07-Oct-1880 who was > > > > the first wife of Levi Swab b. 27-Feb-1849 d. 02-May-1914. Levi was > > > > the brother of Theresa Swab. It would appear that sister and > > > > brother Theresa Swab and Levi Swab married brother and sister of the > > > > Stahlman family. What can you tell me about Gabriel and Elizabeth > > >Stahlman? > > > > > > > > The settlement of David Swab's estate was a long and well documented > > > > affair in which both Harriet and Columbus are mentioned. If you are > > > > interested I can send you copies petitions to the Orphan's Court for > > > > the sale of his property. By the way John Keck was the > > > > administrator or David Swab's estate. I am not quite sure where he > > > > fits yet. > > > > > > > > So were any of the pictures people you recognized? > > > > > > > > Thanks for your email. > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > At 11:25 PM 11/29/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >Eric, > > > > > > > > > >Thank you for fixing the site. Could Elizabeth (Keck) Swartz be the > > > > >daughter of David Keck? David's daughter Esther (1832-1906) married > > >Gabriel > > > > >Stahlman (1828-19060, S/O Jeremiah and Catherine Sarah (Young) > Stahlman. > > > > > > > > > >I do have a Harriet Stahlman 1851-1880 d/o Gabriel and Elizabeth > (Paul) > > > > >Stahlman, but have no record of a marriage. Her brother Columbus > > > > >(1851-1911) married Theresa Swab. They had 6 children: Clara Ann (23 > Mar > > > > >1865), Irvin, James Albert (9 Apr 1870), Emanuel, Lottie, Emma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Lori Terwilliger > > > > > > > > > >BEERS, BOWERSOX, GULNAC, HUMPHREY, MOODY, MYERS, POTTER, SHARP, SHOUP, > > > > >STAHLMAN, TERWILLIGER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== PACLARIO Mailing List ==== > > > > >Search the CLARION CO mailing list ARCHIVES > > > > >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > >Enter: PACLARIO > > > > > > > > Eric Swab > > > > Voice: 719/632-0251 > > > > Email: eswab@adelphia.net > > > > Website: http://users.adelphia.net/~eswab > > > > > > > > ==== PACLARIO Mailing List ==== > > > > JOIN the "Clarion County Historical Society" > > > > 18 Grant Street, Clarion, PA 16214 > > > > Phone / Fax: (814) 226-4450 > > > > Individual $10.00 Life $125.00 > > >------- End of Original Message ------- > > > > > > > > >==== PACLARIO Mailing List ==== > > >Visit the Newly updated CLARION County, PA USGen website! > > >http://www.pa-roots.com/~clarion/ > > > > Eric Swab > > Voice: 719/632-0251 > > Email: eswab@adelphia.net > > Website: http://users.adelphia.net/~eswab > > > > ==== PACLARIO Mailing List ==== > > Visit the Clarion County Historical Society website! > > http://www.csonline.net/cchs/ > > Lindsley Dunn > > Director-Curator > ------- End of Original Message ------- > > ==== PACLARIO Mailing List ==== > List suggestions or problems?? > Contact the listowner at <PACLARIO-admin@rootsweb.com> ------- End of Original Message -------
Mary, I have the John George Himes II and Rosina Miller as the parents of Johann Wilhelm Himes b. 27-Feb-1775 d. Circa 1831. Is this the William Himes that you descend from and that married Barbara Hetrick? I have Johann Jacob Himes b. 31-Mar-1782 d. 20-Jun-1858 as a brother of Johann Wilhelm Himes. This Jacob Himes is the one that married Catherine Koehler and were the parents of Elizabeth Himes b. 16-Mar-1807 d. 16-Jan-1878, the wife of my David Swab. I am just trying to get this straight. Other than some confusion about Jacob's birth date, do I have this right? Do you know the migration path of the Himes from Northumberland Co. to Clarion Co.? Eric At 03:11 PM 12/1/2004 -0500, Mary Boehnlein wrote: >Sorry Eric, I gave you incorrect info. I descend from William Himes and >Barbara Hetrick. William son of John George Jr. and Rosina Miller, son of >John George Sr. got my Williams mixed up. > >I note that I have Jacob Himes b.5/25/1800 son of John William Himes and >Elizabeth Krebs, married to Catherine Raybuck. I have only Jacob's death >date source as Russel Himes' readding of grave stone. No other info on this >couple except these notes: > >Information posted on GenForum places this Jacob with William Himes and Anna >Heterick although other sources place Jacob born in 1800 with parents >William Himes and Elizabeth Krebs. Source was Martha H. Breene >cemhbreene@mail.usachoice.net but e-mail bounced back. I believe she has >confused the son of William and Elizabeth with Jacob son of William and >Anna. Their Jacob's birth date has not been deterimed. NOTE: HERE ARE MY >NOTES ON JACOB MARRIED TO CATHERINE KOHLER WHICH DO GIVE SOURCE FOR jACOB'S >BIRTH DATE: > >Other sources have birth date at 3/31/1782. Vada McCracken of Brookville, >gives date of birth as 5/14/1782 and death as 6/20/1858.Tim Conrad of >Allentown, PA gives the birth date as 3/14 and the baptism as 3/21. Himmel >Church Records, on line at Rootsweb, giveS birth as 3/31/1782 & baptisms as >4/14/1782 > >Eric Swab states Jacob was married to Catherine Raybuck, b. 9/13/1785 and d >3/13/1858 and had a daughter Elizabeth who married David Swab. > >There is another Jacob married to Sarah Confer who was born around 1812 and >is in the 1880 census as living in Elk county and buried at Brockport. >Confusion about these two is evident. (end notes) > > > >I also have your note attached to Jacob Himes b 1782 son of John George Jr. >and Rosina Miller and have him married to Catherine Kohler. > >I'm still confused! >Mary in Ohio >-- >N2NET (http://www.n2net.net) > > >---------- Original Message ----------- >From: "Mary Boehnlein" <maryb@nacs.net> >To: PACLARIO-L@rootsweb.com >Sent: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:31:19 -0500 >Subject: RE: [CLARION] SWAB SWARTZ Photos > > > Eric, > > Yes, it fits my family. I descend from William Himes son of Jacob > > and Catherine. I was not the source of Rayburn, only name I have is > > Kohler but I have in my notes that you gave her name as Rayburn. We > > corresponded before about this. My grandmother Alice Himes used to > > mention the Rayburns and that we were related to them but, of course, > > I wasn't too interested in any of that then. > > > > Could you share more information on David and Elizabeth's children's > > dates and their descendents? I have only their names and nothing > > further. I will be gald to share with you the updated information I > > have on Alice Himes' family as one of her sister's descendents > > contacted me this year and gave me info on the Snyder/Himes line. > > Mary in Ohio researching HIMES, NEWHOUSE, MAHER, MANNING, CROSSON, > > DOHERTY, BOEHNLEIN, WEAVER ETC. > > > > -- > > N2NET (http://www.n2net.net) > > > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > > From: Eric Swab <eswab@adelphia.net> > > To: PACLARIO-L@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 03:14:01 -0700 > > Subject: RE: [CLARION] SWAB SWARTZ Photos > > > > > Mary, > > > > > > Yes, David wife was Elizabeth Himes daughter of Johann Jacob Himes > > > and Catherine Raybuck/Kohler. I am not sure of the significance of > > > the Raybuck/Kohler wheather she had been married before or my source > > > was uncertain of her surname. That source may have been you, or > > > Elaine Swab > > > (this was back in the day before I realized the importance of > > > documenting my sources). > > > > > > David's parents were Johannes Schwab 1770 - 24 Dec 1842 and Barbara > > > > > > (Kohler?) 1774 - After 1850. This comes from the settlement of > > > Johannes Schwab's estate uncovered by Brian Hale. > > > > > > We know that Johannes and Barbara's oldest children were born in > > > Northampton Co. the next several children were born in Westmoreland > > > County before the family moved to Venango Co. > > > > > > Does this fit your family? > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > At 10:17 PM 11/30/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Eric, > > > >Did David Swab marry Elizabeth Himes daughter of Jacob and Catherine? >If > > so > > > >this is mt line too. who were David's parents? > > > >Mary in Ohio > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >N2NET (http://www.n2net.net) > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- Original Message ----------- > > > >From: Eric Swab <eswab@adelphia.net> > > > >To: PACLARIO-L@rootsweb.com > > > >Sent: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:20:12 -0700 > > > >Subject: RE: [CLARION] SWAB SWARTZ Photos > > > > > > > > > Lori, > > > > > > > > > > The Elizabeth (Keck) Swartz in the picture was the daughter of > > > > > George Keck > > > > > b. 22-Oct-1804 d. 18-Jun-1866 and Susannah Yeany b. 16-Mar-1807 d. > > > > > 20-Mar-1882. > > > > > > > > > > Theresa Swab was the d/o David Swab b. 23-Feb-1804 d. 06-Dec-1872 my > > > > > great great grandfather. Until your email, I was only aware of the > > > > > 1st 4 of their children. What is your source for Lottie and Emma? > > > > > Do you have their dates. > > > > > > > > > > I also have a Harriet Stahlman b. 02-Jan-1851 d. 07-Oct-1880 who was > > > > > the first wife of Levi Swab b. 27-Feb-1849 d. 02-May-1914. Levi was > > > > > the brother of Theresa Swab. It would appear that sister and > > > > > brother Theresa Swab and Levi Swab married brother and sister of the > > > > > Stahlman family. What can you tell me about Gabriel and Elizabeth > > > >Stahlman? > > > > > > > > > > The settlement of David Swab's estate was a long and well documented > > > > > affair in which both Harriet and Columbus are mentioned. If you are > > > > > interested I can send you copies petitions to the Orphan's Court for > > > > > the sale of his property. By the way John Keck was the > > > > > administrator or David Swab's estate. I am not quite sure where he > > > > > fits yet. > > > > > > > > > > So were any of the pictures people you recognized? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your email. > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > At 11:25 PM 11/29/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > >Eric, > > > > > > > > > > > >Thank you for fixing the site. Could Elizabeth (Keck) Swartz be the > > > > > >daughter of David Keck? David's daughter Esther (1832-1906) married > > > >Gabriel > > > > > >Stahlman (1828-19060, S/O Jeremiah and Catherine Sarah (Young) > > Stahlman. > > > > > > > > > > > >I do have a Harriet Stahlman 1851-1880 d/o Gabriel and Elizabeth > > (Paul) > > > > > >Stahlman, but have no record of a marriage. Her brother Columbus > > > > > >(1851-1911) married Theresa Swab. They had 6 children: Clara Ann >(23 > > Mar > > > > > >1865), Irvin, James Albert (9 Apr 1870), Emanuel, Lottie, Emma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Lori Terwilliger > > > > > > > > > > > >BEERS, BOWERSOX, GULNAC, HUMPHREY, MOODY, MYERS, POTTER, SHARP, >SHOUP, > > > > > >STAHLMAN, TERWILLIGER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== PACLARIO Mailing List ==== > > > > > >Search the CLARION CO mailing list ARCHIVES > > > > > >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > >Enter: PACLARIO > > > > > > > > > > Eric Swab > > > > > Voice: 719/632-0251 > > > > > Email: eswab@adelphia.net > > > > > Website: http://users.adelphia.net/~eswab > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACLARIO Mailing List ==== > > > > > JOIN the "Clarion County Historical Society" > > > > > 18 Grant Street, Clarion, PA 16214 > > > > > Phone / Fax: (814) 226-4450 > > > > > Individual $10.00 Life $125.00 > > > >------- End of Original Message ------- > > > > > > > > > > > >==== PACLARIO Mailing List ==== > > > >Visit the Newly updated CLARION County, PA USGen website! > > > >http://www.pa-roots.com/~clarion/ > > > > > > Eric Swab > > > Voice: 719/632-0251 > > > Email: eswab@adelphia.net > > > Website: http://users.adelphia.net/~eswab > > > > > > ==== PACLARIO Mailing List ==== > > > Visit the Clarion County Historical Society website! > > > http://www.csonline.net/cchs/ > > > Lindsley Dunn > > > Director-Curator > > ------- End of Original Message ------- > > > > ==== PACLARIO Mailing List ==== > > List suggestions or problems?? > > Contact the listowner at <PACLARIO-admin@rootsweb.com> >------- End of Original Message ------- > > >==== PACLARIO Mailing List ==== >Visit the Newly updated CLARION County, PA USGen website! >http://www.pa-roots.com/~clarion/ Eric Swab Voice: 719/632-0251 Email: eswab@adelphia.net Website: http://users.adelphia.net/~eswab
Yes you are correct. Migration route-I will check History of Clarion county- I do know I have a book of church records from Schyhill-not sure of spelling- county where some of them were and I think it was originally part of Northumberland Co when they were there. New Holland, Rebuck, Upper Mannahoy but I do have Cristian born in Berks Co. in 1815-son of George and Rosina. George's brothers and sisters and himself are shown as being bo(see rest of this below-got separated in my cut and paste of notes) notes from john george sr. Northumberland Co. tax list for Mahanoy Twp. 1785 and in 1787 George and William (Wilhelm) had 100 acres each, John had 60 acres Source: Geraldine DeRose Campbell notes donated to The New Bethlehem Public Library, New Bethlehem, PA. Copied 3/21/2000 Linda M. Stitt THE HEIM, HEIMS, HIMES, etc. Family Ship's Lists Sources for these immigration records is Strassburger and Hinke's three volume work, The History of the Pennsylvania German Pioneers. In Volume 2 are signatures of theses immigrants. Volume 1, page 31-"William Heim arrived on the ship, Thistle of Glasgow, August 29, 1730. . . the above men all arrived on English ships (Thistle of Glasgow, St. Andrew, Wiezeter, Duke of Wittenburg, Anderson and Friendship), that sailed from harbor of Rotterdam and after a brief stop in England, finally landed in Philadelphia harbor. Most of the passengers on these ships were from the Palatine section of Germany. They were called the "Pennsylvania Dutch" by early settlers (English) and they really meant to say "Deutsch," meaning German. They applied this term to those German and Swiss who arrived here in the 1700's and settled in a certain area of Pennsylvania (roughly: south central and Eastern Pennsylvania." From The Abridged Compendium of American Biography, Vol. 4, Pg 274-Sketch on Joseph Hendrix Himes who was born at New Oxford, PA, August 15, 1885. He is a descendant of William (Heim)Himes who was from the Palatine and arrived here in 1730 on the "Thistle of Glasgow and settled in Lancaster County. Source: Tim Conrad, (December 3, , 1996). Genealogist Guide to Howerter's Church Including Early Himmel Church Records, Mahantango Roots, l.0. John George Heim was born in Germany in 1730 Arrived in Philadelphia, PA aboard the The Duke of Wurtemburg October 16, 1751 with two brothers, John and Andrew. Source Deborah Eater Buried in private garden in Klingerstown, PA without a marker. HEIM, George Klingerstown 1779 Capt Jac Whetstone Co 1780 Capt Jac Whetstone Co ______________ UPPER MAHANTONGO TOWNSHIP. ______________________________ Upper Mahantongo's first settlers were a German named Alexan- der Klinger and his four sons, who settled in 1780 at what has since been known as Klingerstown. Jacob Baum, Robert Clark, Seamon Shuman, Andrew Osman, and Gideon Williams (a Welshman) were other pioneers in different sections of the town. Peter Klock, who settled the Daniel Dungelberger place, is reported to have come into the neighborhood about 1775. The first grave-yard was opened on the John Schrob farm. The first school-house was built in 1805, and a school taught by a man named Hein. George Maurer kept the first store in Klingerstown, about 1811. John Reed built the first hotel in 1803, and sold it in 1804 to Jacob Wiest, by whom it was kept for many years. The next hotel was built by Jacob Stenner in 1812, and it is now standing and owned by John Wiest. It was not until 1840 that a practicing physician, named John Piffer, settled in Klingersotwn. The post-office in this place was established in 1850, and mails delivered once a week by way of Reading and Sunbury. The old post road ran near the present road to Sunbury, and was abandoned when the latter was built. The war with Great Britain in 1812 sent the recruiting sergeant to this quiet hamlet, and of the townspeople Sebastian Zimmerman, Jacob Wolfgang, John Kline, Abraham Zimmerman, Solomon Zimmerman, Henry Klock, George Geist, Henry Maurer and Adam Slobig enlisted, serving about four months at York, Pa., and Baltimore, Md. Klingerstown contains at present two hotels, one store, blacksmith shop, school-house, and five or six dwelling-houses. In 1830 the township contained 1,151 inhabitants; in 1840, 1,291; 1850, 1,656; 1860, 786; 1870, 761. The decrease was due to the reduction of its area by the erection of other townships from it. SCHOOLS. The conservatism of its people make Upper Mahantongo the last township in the county, and one of the last in the State, to accept the provisions of the present school laws, and not until the year 1865 were the educational interests of the town placed under its operations. Well adapted for grazing and the culture of roots and fruits, the township needs only the infusion of the fresh young blood, quickened by contact with its fellows, that is rapidly replacing the ultra caution and suspicion of its older inhabitants, to speedily bring it into the front ranks of the farm towns of the Schuylkill region. There was in 1880 but one church organization in town. This, known as Schwalm's church, has an edifice near the center of the township. Schwalm Union Church was organized in 1820, its meetings being held in the old log school-house near where the church now stands. Among its first members were John, Henry and George Maurer, Jacob Dressler, Jacob Bechtel, George Estman, Jacob Stagg, Neitling, Thomas and George Henninger, Peter Jacob Luck- ney, Henry Knorr, Adam Herb, George and Peter Schleyer, ____________end page 356.____________ page 357 NOTES ON GEORGE jR. 1778,1780, 1782,1785, 1787 George Heim Jr.- shows tax assessment on 100 acres Served in the Revolutionary War, Captain William Weirick's Rangers of the Frontier, 1778-1783 Christ Evangelical Lutheran Church Records, Stouchsburg, Berks Co., PA lists marriage of George Heim son of George Heim to Rosina Miller daughter of John Miller, May 15, 1774, both Augusta Twp., Northumberland Co. Many believe there was also another son named John born about the same time as children listed here.rn in Philadelphia, New Holland, Mahantango(now called Klingerstown) but parents died in Klingerstown. I would have to see an old map to trace this-i think maps re on Pa rootsweb site. History of Clarion tells of three brothers coming to Clarion Co. near Redbank and being original settlers. Mary -- N2NET (http://www.n2net.net) ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Eric Swab <eswab@adelphia.net> To: PACLARIO-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 11:53:10 -0700 Subject: RE: [CLARION] SWAB SWARTZ Photos > Mary, > > I have the John George Himes II and Rosina Miller as the parents of > Johann Wilhelm Himes b. 27-Feb-1775 d. Circa 1831. Is this the > William Himes that you descend from and that married Barbara > Hetrick? I have Johann Jacob Himes b. 31-Mar-1782 d. 20-Jun-1858 as > a brother of Johann Wilhelm Himes. This Jacob Himes is the one that > married Catherine Koehler and were the parents of Elizabeth Himes b. > 16-Mar-1807 d. 16-Jan-1878, the wife of my David Swab. I am just > trying to get this straight. Other than some confusion about > Jacob's birth date, do I have this right? > > Do you know the migration path of the Himes from Northumberland Co. > to Clarion Co.? > > Eric > > At 03:11 PM 12/1/2004 -0500, Mary Boehnlein wrote: > > >Sorry Eric, I gave you incorrect info. I descend from William Himes and > >Barbara Hetrick. William son of John George Jr. and Rosina Miller, son of > >John George Sr. got my Williams mixed up. > > > >I note that I have Jacob Himes b.5/25/1800 son of John William Himes and > >Elizabeth Krebs, married to Catherine Raybuck. I have only Jacob's death > >date source as Russel Himes' readding of grave stone. No other info on this > >couple except these notes: > > > >Information posted on GenForum places this Jacob with William Himes and Anna > >Heterick although other sources place Jacob born in 1800 with parents > >William Himes and Elizabeth Krebs. Source was Martha H. Breene > >cemhbreene@mail.usachoice.net but e-mail bounced back. I believe she has > >confused the son of William and Elizabeth with Jacob son of William and > >Anna. Their Jacob's birth date has not been deterimed. NOTE: HERE ARE MY > >NOTES ON JACOB MARRIED TO CATHERINE KOHLER WHICH DO GIVE SOURCE FOR jACOB'S > >BIRTH DATE: > > > >Other sources have birth date at 3/31/1782. Vada McCracken of Brookville, > >gives date of birth as 5/14/1782 and death as 6/20/1858.Tim Conrad of > >Allentown, PA gives the birth date as 3/14 and the baptism as 3/21. Himmel > >Church Records, on line at Rootsweb, giveS birth as 3/31/1782 & baptisms as > >4/14/1782 > > > >Eric Swab states Jacob was married to Catherine Raybuck, b. 9/13/1785 and d > >3/13/1858 and had a daughter Elizabeth who married David Swab. > > > >There is another Jacob married to Sarah Confer who was born around 1812 and > >is in the 1880 census as living in Elk county and buried at Brockport. > >Confusion about these two is evident. (end notes) > > > > > > > >I also have your note attached to Jacob Himes b 1782 son of John George Jr. > >and Rosina Miller and have him married to Catherine Kohler. > > > >I'm still confused! > >Mary in Ohio > >-- > >N2NET (http://www.n2net.net) > > > > > >---------- Original Message ----------- > >From: "Mary Boehnlein" <maryb@nacs.net> > >To: PACLARIO-L@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:31:19 -0500 > >Subject: RE: [CLARION] SWAB SWARTZ Photos > > > > > Eric, > > > Yes, it fits my family. I descend from William Himes son of Jacob > > > and Catherine. I was not the source of Rayburn, only name I have is > > > Kohler but I have in my notes that you gave her name as Rayburn. We > > > corresponded before about this. My grandmother Alice Himes used to > > > mention the Rayburns and that we were related to them but, of course, > > > I wasn't too interested in any of that then. > > > > > > Could you share more information on David and Elizabeth's children's > > > dates and their descendents? I have only their names and nothing > > > further. I will be gald to share with you the updated information I > > > have on Alice Himes' family as one of her sister's descendents > > > contacted me this year and gave me info on the Snyder/Himes line. > > > Mary in Ohio researching HIMES, NEWHOUSE, MAHER, MANNING, CROSSON, > > > DOHERTY, BOEHNLEIN, WEAVER ETC. > > > > > > -- > > > N2NET (http://www.n2net.net) > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > > > From: Eric Swab <eswab@adelphia.net> > > > To: PACLARIO-L@rootsweb.com > > > Sent: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 03:14:01 -0700 > > > Subject: RE: [CLARION] SWAB SWARTZ Photos > > > > > > > Mary, > > > > > > > > Yes, David wife was Elizabeth Himes daughter of Johann Jacob Himes > > > > and Catherine Raybuck/Kohler. I am not sure of the significance of > > > > the Raybuck/Kohler wheather she had been married before or my source > > > > was uncertain of her surname. That source may have been you, or > > > > Elaine Swab > > > > (this was back in the day before I realized the importance of > > > > documenting my sources). > > > > > > > > David's parents were Johannes Schwab 1770 - 24 Dec 1842 and Barbara > > > > > > > > (Kohler?) 1774 - After 1850. This comes from the settlement of > > > > Johannes Schwab's estate uncovered by Brian Hale. > > > > > > > > We know that Johannes and Barbara's oldest children were born in > > > > Northampton Co. the next several children were born in Westmoreland > > > > County before the family moved to Venango Co. > > > > > > > > Does this fit your family? > > > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > At 10:17 PM 11/30/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >Eric, > > > > >Did David Swab marry Elizabeth Himes daughter of Jacob and Catherine? > >If > > > so > > > > >this is mt line too. who were David's parents? > > > > >Mary in Ohio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > >N2NET (http://www.n2net.net) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- Original Message ----------- > > > > >From: Eric Swab <eswab@adelphia.net> > > > > >To: PACLARIO-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >Sent: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:20:12 -0700 > > > > >Subject: RE: [CLARION] SWAB SWARTZ Photos > > > > > > > > > > > Lori, > > > > > > > > > > > > The Elizabeth (Keck) Swartz in the picture was the daughter of > > > > > > George Keck > > > > > > b. 22-Oct-1804 d. 18-Jun-1866 and Susannah Yeany b. 16-Mar-1807 d. > > > > > > 20-Mar-1882. > > > > > > > > > > > > Theresa Swab was the d/o David Swab b. 23-Feb-1804 d. 06-Dec- 1872 my > > > > > > great great grandfather. Until your email, I was only aware of the > > > > > > 1st 4 of their children. What is your source for Lottie and Emma? > > > > > > Do you have their dates. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also have a Harriet Stahlman b. 02-Jan-1851 d. 07-Oct-1880 who was > > > > > > the first wife of Levi Swab b. 27-Feb-1849 d. 02-May-1914. Levi was > > > > > > the brother of Theresa Swab. It would appear that sister and > > > > > > brother Theresa Swab and Levi Swab married brother and sister of the > > > > > > Stahlman family. What can you tell me about Gabriel and Elizabeth > > > > >Stahlman? > > > > > > > > > > > > The settlement of David Swab's estate was a long and well documented > > > > > > affair in which both Harriet and Columbus are mentioned. If you are > > > > > > interested I can send you copies petitions to the Orphan's Court for > > > > > > the sale of his property. By the way John Keck was the > > > > > > administrator or David Swab's estate. I am not quite sure where he > > > > > > fits yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > So were any of the pictures people you recognized? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your email. > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:25 PM 11/29/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > > >Eric, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thank you for fixing the site. Could Elizabeth (Keck) Swartz be the > > > > > > >daughter of David Keck? David's daughter Esther (1832-1906) married > > > > >Gabriel > > > > > > >Stahlman (1828-19060, S/O Jeremiah and Catherine Sarah (Young) > > > Stahlman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I do have a Harriet Stahlman 1851-1880 d/o Gabriel and Elizabeth > > > (Paul) > > > > > > >Stahlman, but have no record of a marriage. Her brother Columbus > > > > > > >(1851-1911) married Theresa Swab. They had 6 children: Clara Ann > >(23 > > > Mar > > > > > > >1865), Irvin, James Albert (9 Apr 1870), Emanuel, Lottie, Emma. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Lori Terwilliger > > > > > > > > > > > > > >BEERS, BOWERSOX, GULNAC, HUMPHREY, MOODY, MYERS, POTTER, SHARP, > >SHOUP, > > > > > > >STAHLMAN, TERWILLIGER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== PACLARIO Mailing List ==== > > > > > > >Search the CLARION CO mailing list ARCHIVES > > > > > > >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > >Enter: PACLARIO > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric Swab > > > > > > Voice: 719/632-0251 > > > > > > Email: eswab@adelphia.net > > > > > > Website: http://users.adelphia.net/~eswab > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACLARIO Mailing List ==== > > > > > > JOIN the "Clarion County Historical Society" > > > > > > 18 Grant Street, Clarion, PA 16214 > > > > > > Phone / Fax: (814) 226-4450 > > > > > > Individual $10.00 Life $125.00 > > > > >------- End of Original Message ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== PACLARIO Mailing List ==== > > > > >Visit the Newly updated CLARION County, PA USGen website! > > > > >http://www.pa-roots.com/~clarion/ > > > > > > > > Eric Swab > > > > Voice: 719/632-0251 > > > > Email: eswab@adelphia.net > > > > Website: http://users.adelphia.net/~eswab > > > > > > > > ==== PACLARIO Mailing List ==== > > > > Visit the Clarion County Historical Society website! > > > > http://www.csonline.net/cchs/ > > > > Lindsley Dunn > > > > Director-Curator > > > ------- End of Original Message ------- > > > > > > ==== PACLARIO Mailing List ==== > > > List suggestions or problems?? > > > Contact the listowner at <PACLARIO-admin@rootsweb.com> > >------- End of Original Message ------- > > > > > >==== PACLARIO Mailing List ==== > >Visit the Newly updated CLARION County, PA USGen website! > >http://www.pa-roots.com/~clarion/ > > Eric Swab > Voice: 719/632-0251 > Email: eswab@adelphia.net > Website: http://users.adelphia.net/~eswab > > ==== PACLARIO Mailing List ==== > Search the CLARION CO mailing list ARCHIVES > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > Enter: PACLARIO ------- End of Original Message -------