I posted this to the DENEWCAS list in case anyone there recognizes it. However, while it does appear that some of the family went to Wilmington, and that my own people lived there for a short time, it appears that they were from Pennsylvania, and it would make sense to think that most likely they lived in a part of Pennsylvania that bordered on both Maryland and nothern Delaware. Possibly they lived in Chester County or neighboring Delaware County. Also, I'd appreciate it if anyone with access to the Andrew Moore genealogy would look to see if I yet have enough informaiton to locate them in that book; the last time I had access to that book, I barely had Charles Moore's name. This was a huge Moore family group who lived in the area where the three states meet. Charles L. or S. Moore was born to Thomas Moore in 1859, allegedly in Pennsylvania. It is important to note that his wife is listed as having supplied the info on his death certificate and probably also supplied the DIFFERENT information that is on his gravestone, which has him born in either 1858, or 1860. (She bought the grave lots she and he are both buried in, it does appear that she took care of the business assocated with his deat.) Thomas Moore was allegedly born in Pennsylvania, too, and Charles' mother, whoever she was, was allegedly born in Maryland. Charles Moore is likely to have had a sister named Libby. This could have been a nickname. Charles Moore married Carrie B. Dehart in early 1880, either near Harrisburg, Dauphin Co, PA, or in or near Reading, Berks, PA. Her family lived in both places, and while they lived near Harrisburg, they still owned their considerable property in Reading. According to the 1910 census, they had four children, two of whom seem to have lived; Nellie, born in early 1886, and Bessie Mae, born in May 1884. Surviving pictures kept by a relative portray Bessie Mae and Nellie at respectively about ages eight and six, and no other children of that family. Charles Moore and Carrie lived in Berks or Dauphin County until atleast 1886. They lived in the city of Philadelphia by 1908, at 5222 Webster Avenue, where they lived in 1910, and in 1920, when Charles Moore died and his widow bought cemetery plots; what is more, according to the 1910 census, they owned the house, free and clear. Possibly on account of money that Carrie got or inherited from her family. They did not live at the same address in Philadelphia in 1900, and they did not live in Steelton or Highspire, or any nearby townships, in Dauphin County, in 1900, either, though they could have been living in Harrisburg. Charles Moore is supposed to have had relatives in Northern Delaware, possibly in or near Wilmington. A secnd cousin says her mother, who was born in 1885 and had her first child by 1910 and therefore was married and had a family by then, when she was staying with her beloved grandmother, her father's mother, in Steelton, in Dauphin County, used to travel by herself to visit her Aunt Carrie in Wilmington, Delaware. It is not impossible that she and family lived with her grandmother AFTER she married. But it is proven that Charles Moore and family lived in Philadelphia consistently from atleast 1908. Supposed to be some possibly tangled story of how they came to live in Philadelphia area. Therefore, I deduce that Charles Moore and family lived in (or near) Wilmington, Delaware, possibly with relatives, at some time between 1886 and 1908. Charles Moore may also have served in the army at some point; he had a flag engraved on his grave. Or his wife did. I think he himself had little to do with it. The grave lot was purchased by his wife at the time when he died, at age 60, of surgical shock. By trade, he was a steelworker, which makes perfect sense in the townships adjacent to Harrisburg and immediately west of it, and apparently it also made perfect sense in Philadelphia, where there was a substantial amount of heavy industry, which also employed "roller turners" at reworking steel. Also, there was something wrong with this family, though neither my father nor I could get out of the relatives what it was; my father, whose grandfather died the year before he was born and whose grandmother lived with his parents at times, ever heard of him only as "Charles Moore" and was told almost nothing about him. My queries why the relatives didn't like the Moores got some mixed up, rapidly rattled and never to be repeated tale about all the Dehart granddaughters liked to visit "Gamma Greene" who was the beloved grandmother my source's mother lived with when she visited Aunt Carrie in Wilmington, and some adult female Moore was sending teenaged Nellie "out in the clothes that her mother had", and Bessie Mae wasn't like that at all. On the 1880 census, "Carrie B. Moore" is listed as visiting in her parents' home, in Highspire, Dauphin County, and Charles Moore couldn't be found anywhere; again, I did not search the neighboring city of Harrisburg. He might have been in the army. She might have run home to Mommy and Daddy. It sounds as if she wasn't only staying for the night - but she could have been; certainly she hadn't just come over to borrow the sugar! For some reason the younger girl was said to have been born in Reading, which is the other town where Carrie's parents owned property, adn where they returned to when Carrie's father retired. Carrie, born in 1862, was just barely 18 in the witner and spring of 1880, and Charles Moore would have been only 20. (He was born during the summer of 1859, I have a date but don't know it off the top of my head.) It is not necessarily the case that Charles and Carrie BOTH were living in Wilmington at some point between 1886 and 1908 - but Carrie was definitely there, and it IS almost necessarily the case that she was staying with relatives of Charles Moore. Carrie's own people were entirely Pennsylvania Dutch going back for five generations, with the exception of those born in Switzerland and Germany, and I have no reason to think anyone closely related to her lived anyplace other than Berks and Dauphin Counties. Something that closely resembles the manic depression that I have and that killed my first cousin, is likely to have come from this family. Manic depression, which is a misnomer for a cycling mood disorder, is a recognized genetic disease, one of the most strongly genetic and least susceptible to environmental influence of all genetic medical conditions, and six genetic markers for this disorder have been identified. I do not want to hear from any Freudian psychologists on this. The strain of something similar that ran in my father's father's family and the nervous strain that ran in my father's mother's mother's family simply weren't as vicious as what most of my grandparents' descendants ended up with. Everyone with it had a very intense, moody, highstrung temperament and an extremely violent temper, and sometimes the characteristic repeated bouts of depression - though not everyone who gets depression knows they have it. My cousin shared my characteristic tendency to run off with a few thousand words in extreme, cold rage over very little, or even something imagined; he once scrawled such a note to my father, who he barely knew, in pencil, over something that, as my father tells it, made no sense at all. Manic depression is widely misunderstood, and often mild and vague, and prone to running for generations without being recognized. It is, however, always destructive. Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/