Hi Rosalie It has been some time since we exchanged e-m's on the QUINNs. I have not forgotten but only recent input from family members on a visit to Buffalo, NY and the answer to a query to the Philadelphia Archdiocese have now allowed me to make a further contribution to that exchange, as follows: My QUINNs came to Phoenixville (probably) from Coy. Derry in Northern Ireland in 1847. They stayed until about 1860 and moved on to Buffalo NY. The composition of the family was: Descendants of James QUINN 1 James QUINN b: October 07, 1813 in Coy Derry, Ireland d: August 12, 1873 in Buffalo, NY .. +Ann CONWAY b: Abt. 1810 in Coy Derry, Ireland d: July 14, 1897 in 251 Sandusky St. (O'Connell), Buffalo, NY ......... 2 Thomas QUINN b: December 18, 1841 in Coy Derry ?, Ireland d: April 15, 1894 in Buffalo, NY ............. +Margaret McNAMARA d: June 21, 1929 in Buffalo, NY ......... 2 Arthur QUINN b: December 12, 1843 in Coy Derry ?, Ireland d: May 09, 1905 in Buffalo, NY ............. +Mary WALSH ......... 2 Margaret QUINN b: 1845 in Coy Derry ?, Ireland d: November 08, 1907 in Buffalo, NY ............. +Peter HAGAN d: March 23, 1913 ......... 2 James QUINN b: January 04, 1848 in Phoenixville, Chester Coy, PA d: January 01, 1922 ............. +Margaret REED/REID ......... 2 Peter J. QUINN b: 1851 in Phoenixville, Chester Coy, PA d: September 10, 1897 ......... 2 Patrick J. QUINN b: February 10, 1854 in Phoenixville, Chester Coy, PA d: March 22, 1893 in 682 Exchange St., Buffalo, NY ............. +Helen McCLOSKEY b: September 1854 in Buffalo, NY d: August 23, 1900 in Buffalo Hospital, Sisters of Charity, Buffalo, NY ......... 2 Elizabeth QUINN b: December 16, 1859 in Phoenixville, Chester Coy, PA d: August 29, 1893 ............. +John HAGAN d: Bet. August 19, 1893 - 1931 Patrick was baptized at St. Mary of the Assumption RC Church on 1/21/1854 by Rev. P. O'FARRELL and his godparents were Edward CONWAY and Catherine McKEOWN. In 1861 Arthur enlisted in the Union Army in the California Regiment (later known as Company K, 1st Regiment, Pennsylvania Infantry) in Philadelphia and was captured at Fredericksburg in December 1862. He rejoined the family in Buffalo in 1865 and became a detective in the Buffalo Police Dept. Note: Beth Petronis posted a response on 3/31 that seems to fit Arthur QUINNs service record. She noted he deserted, while he was actually captured in December 1862, paroled as a POW to a Convalescent Camp and deserted from there in April 1863. He's listed as having mustered out in July 1864. She also mentions a Peter QUINN but Arthur's brother was probably too young to serve. Patrick entered the Buffalo Police Department in July 1877 as a patrolman and was promoted to captain in June 1888 and died in 1893. Rosalie Sommer wrote: > (Snip) > My interest in the QUINN family has been because of James and Ann QUINN > who were godparents in 1884. They are probably either brother and sister > or husband & wife because they were godparents to the same child. The Archdiocese also provided record of an Eliza Ann QUINN born and baptized on 12/11/1858 to James and Ann <nee McCONERY> QUINN and the sponsors are Andrew MEEHAN and Ann McCULLOGH. These may be the QUINNs you are looking for. > (Snip)1850 JAMES QUINN FAMILY PHOENIXVILLE > > 1850 CENSUS: 1850 US Federal Census, James Quinn family; Phoenixville, > Chester county, PA; James Quinn 36, male, puddler, b. Ireland; Ann, 36, > female b. Ireland; Thomas 9, male, b. Ireland; Arthur 7, male, b. > Ireland; Margaret 5, female b. Ireland; James 2, male, b. PA; 1850 US > Federal Census, James Quinn family; Phoenixville, Chester county, PA; p. > 97A; lines 27-32. > James Quinn 36 b. about 1814 Ireland puddler > wife: Ann, 36 b. about 1814 Ireland > ch: Thomas 9 b. about 1841 Ireland > Arthur 7 b. about 1843 Ireland > Margaret 5 about 1845 Ireland > James 2 b. about 1848 PA This is definitely the family and I had found this record as well. > (Snip) > 1860 JAMES QUINN FAMILY, PHOENIXVILLE > > 1860 CENSUS: 1860 US Federal Census; Phoenixville, Chester county, PA; > James Quinn family; James Quinn, 65, laborer, born Ireland; Nancy 65, > born Ireland; Thomas 18, helper, born Ireland; Arthur 16, born Ireland; > James 11, born Ireland; Peter 9, born Pa.; Patrick 7, born Pa; Eliza, 1 > born Pa; 1860 US Federal Census; Phoenixville, Chester county, PA; James > Quinn family; 251-255; FHL #0020569. > James Quinn 65, born Ireland about 1795 > wife Nancy 65, born Ireland about 1795 > ch: Thomas Quinn 18, born Ireland about 1842 > Arthur Quinn 16, born Ireland about 1844 > James Quinn 11, born Ireland about 1849 > Peter Quinn 9, born PA about 1851 > Patrick Quinn 7 born PA about 1853********** > Eliza Quinn 1, born PA about 1859 This still could be the same family but there are also some serious discrepancies. The parents have aged by an extra twenty years and your later comments on name Nancy for mother need to be verified -- was the name illegible and could still be Ann? Irish ages are frequently off but a discrepancy of twenty years I think would be way beyond the normal range of error. Also, they usually get younger; not older. Margaret is missing and would have been only 15 yrs old but you're right, she could be living with family or others. This would also have been just before the family's move to Buffalo. > (Snip) >From this point on there's lots of additional QUINN candidates but they are all too late to be members of the above James QUINN family but two additional points are relevant. There is great potential for interrelationships among the QUINN families and there appear to have been quite a few in the area. For example, the 1900 Census in Buffalo NY lists a number of QUINN families but the following two in particular stand out because they show PA roots: 1. Frank QUINN Head b. Jan 1858 Age 42 b. PA Saloon Keeper Flora wife b. Feb. 1864 Age 36 b. PA Mary M. daughter b. Jun 1882 Age 17 b. PA at school Nicholas (???? maybe brother) Age 34 b. PA Carriage Painter 2. John QUINN Head b. Dec 1836 b. PA RR Margaret wife b. 1864 5 children 3 alive Eugene son I am also now interested in the Conway and McKEOWN names that appear as sponsors in Patrick's 1854 baptism. The Conway is probably related to Ann QUINN. Is there any information on these families in Chester? In your earlier e-m's you mentioned that you had your QUINN census and other records on a computer program. If you can produce a GEDCOM file, I would very much appreciate a copy of it. Scanning of hard copies can also produce files that can be sent as e-m attachments or, as last resort, if you would photocopy what you have, I would be happy to reimburse the costs of sending me copies. Finally, it would be very helpful to be able to confirm from where in Ireland the QUINNs emigrated. Family sources say "maybe" Derry but Karen Barth (in e-m dated 3/12/2000) pointed out the relationship of the Phoenixville Irish with those in Norristown, Montgomery Coy. and noted that Coy Tyrone was a possible point of origin in Ireland. How can one go about checking this out further? For example, the mention of naturalization by Phoenixville Irish in Norristown could produce some very valuable records, including place of origin. I'm looking forward to moving my search in Phoenixville up another level and would appreciate any help that might be available. Regards Jack DUKESBURY Jakarta, Indonesia