If anyone is interested in "Old Chester," Delaware Co., PA for history, genealogy, pictures or you just want to take a step back in time, please go to: http://www.oldchesterpa.com/ This website was constructed by & the soul idea of John A. BULLOCK III Happy hunting, Helen P.S. It is fantastic & amazing!!

Dora, I believe that most of those on this list are well able to discuss many sides to the same question without rancor or unpleasantness. But, just a simple answer is often sufficient, without a long"discussion" of aspects that don't even particularly enter into that answer. No one needs or wants situations that foment disagreement, so let's all try to keep that in mind. I'm sure that's what the folks on the Berks and Brethren lists meant. -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith <tiggernut_48@yahoo.com> To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, July 24, 2000 1:38 AM Subject: Re: [PACHESTE] Mennonites >I checked this out. From all the printing, but >not indepth reading, I've done as I printed >Brethren history stuff out tonight, I think this >sect is a different one from the one that Mack >formed in Germantown around the same time, which >I'm pretty sure is the one Sandra cites with its >other two churches. > >I'll have to post to this list, too, when I get >it all figured out! > >The BRETHREN-L list is supposed to be a place to >go for info on history, as per their list >information - not everyone is real happy with >that. I had someone from the PABERKS list write >to me and ask me to please not get any historical > discussions going on the BRETHREN list! (grin) > >You were looking for genealogy - whoops! I think >you have to do history with genealogy, but not >everyone agrees. > >Yours, >Dora > > > >--- Charlie Parks <chazp@erols.com> wrote: >> The Church of the Brethren is not Mennonite. >> >> However, the United Brethren, which has no >> connection to >> the Church of the Brethren, was formed by a >> combination of >> Mennonites and German Reformed. A short >> history is given >> at >> http://www.feist.com/~pseward/main/ubhist.html >> >> I learned this by mistakenly joning the >> Brethren mailing >> list to look for my United Brethren ancestors. >> >> Charlie >> >> Sandra Ferguson wrote: >> > >> > Is the Church of the Brethren the same as >> the Mennonite? If so, there >> > were "3 churches between 1725 and 1785 built >> on the Schuylkill. These must >> > have been in Chester co, as the Montgomery co >> churches are included in other >> > districts. the oldest one is on the >> Schuylkill road, in East Coventry Twp, >> > abouyt 3 miles from Pottstown, dated 1728. >> > The first Mennonite church in the >> vicinity of Phoenixville, located on >> > the ridge mear the residence of the Heckel >> family. Erection date unknown. >> > In 1772 was erected the Mennonite >> meeting-house in Phoenixville, located >> > on Main Street. >> > This sect, driven from the homes of their >> ancestry by persecution was >> > once numerous among the German inhabitants of >> PA, but is gradually becoming >> > extinct. It's membership at Phoenixville >> has dwindled down to a few >> > people" [this was written in 1889]. >> > >> Sandra >> >> >> ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >> Check out other counties in PA! >> http://libertynet.org/~gencap/pacounties.html >> >> >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >To post a message to this list, send your message to >PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >

Dora, et al........I received this message 8 times.....is anyone else having this problem, or is it poetic "injustice" for my problem last week? S. -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith <tiggernut_48@yahoo.com> To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, July 24, 2000 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [PACHESTE] Mennonites > >included in other >districts. the oldest one is on the Schuylkill >road, in East Coventry Twp, >abouyt 3 miles from Pottstown, dated 1728. > The first Mennonite church in the vicinity > >Well, that sounds like the answer to teh Chester >County part. > >Dora > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > > >

In a message dated 7/24/00 12:14:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, REDSKI9136@aol.com writes: << In a message dated 7/19/00 2:29:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bjmac@wilmington.net writes: << Hey, Ya'll....... I'm searching for the surname OTTEY. John OTTEY m. Ann Iddings abt 1691 at Kingsessing +Christopher Ottey, married Elizabeth Godfrey +Richard Ottey +Thomas Ottey +Philip Ottey, b. 1701, married Sarah Baker (b. 18 Mar 1711 in Chester County) I have found Ann Iddings Ottey's will abstract, but searching for info on the rest of the family. Do these names ring a bell with anyone? >> Hi, I have John Ottey -m- to Ann Iddings Children are listed as follows: Phillip John Thomas Richard Eli Sarah Ann Lydiah Hannah No Christopher listed as child to John and Ann Richard -m- Sarah White Thomas -m- Hester Lee Mary Jane Carroll >> This was John's son. And his wife Ann (no last name) John Ottey and Ann Iddings- there children are: John Philip -m- Sarah Baker Richard -m- Elizabeth ? Thomas Christopher -m- Elizabth Godfrey SORRY FOR MISTAKE !!!! Mary Jane

Hello, Below in quotes is about Alexander Mack and the German Baptist Brethren of Germantown from http://www.cob-net.org/docs/groups.htm, Conrad Beissel split from this group and founded the Ephrata Cloister, the Schneebergers split from Ephrata and founded the Snow Hill nunnery. They were also known as Dunkards and Tunkers from their dunking 3 times during baptism for the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, Triune immersion. The United Brethren are totally seperate from this Brethren sect. "Established 1708 near Schwarzenau, Germany, by Alexander Mack who founded a community of eight believers through adult baptism. They were heavily influenced by Pietism, and Anabaptist conventions from an earlier century. Schwarzenau Brethren often experienced religious persecution, and found refuge among Mennonites, an older persecuted Anabaptist group who had establish havens over many years, such as Krefeld (Germany) and Germantown (Pennsylvania). Brethren were also influenced by them, and many beliefs and practices remain similar into the modern era. Following a resurgence of persecution, splinter groups evolved and the Mack party emigrated in 1729 to Pennsylvania in the wake of co-worker Peter Becker's earlier group of 1719. The first American congregation was founded near Germantown with adult baptisms on Christmas Day, 1723. Enjoying their new world freedom from religious persecution, many congregations were established." Marty Graybill > -----Original Message----- > From: Dora Smith [mailto:tiggernut_48@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 10:25 PM > To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PACHESTE] Mennonites > > > > > > --- Sandra Ferguson <ferg@intelos.net> wrote: > > Is the Church of the Brethren the same as > > the Mennonite? If so, there > > were "3 churches between 1725 and 1785 built > > on the Schuylkill. These must > > have been in Chester co, as the Montgomery co > > churches are included in other > > > > Oh, no, here we go again! We're having quite a > discussion on the PABERKS list on this topic. > > Probaly a gentleman named Ray Honaker will jump > in and call me ignorant - and then partially > answer your question, but I'm going to risk it > anyway (grin). No, the Church of the Brethren > isn't the same thing as the Mennonites. I'm new > meaning to unclear on which of the Brethren sects > was the Chruch of the Brethren. Mean to > straighten it out months from now when I can get > my hands on teh appropriate books. Some Brethren > sects had Mennonite roots. I think that all > ultimately had Anabaptist roots. But some > apparently, from what I can tell, came from a > Pietist movement in Germany that was concerned > mostly with revitalizing religion. If they had > other concerns, too, I haven't learned about them > yet. There was a Brethren group who organized in > Germantown I think around the 1720's. There were > also a number of sects, like the Ephrata Cloister > and the Moravians, who were loosely associated > with both Pietism and the Brethren via their > founders had at one time belonged to those > churches, and were sometimes called Brethren. > There were also Dunkers and German Baptists, who > Ive seen some people and some sources insist they > were the same thing as the Brethren, and others > insist they had nothing to do with the Brethren. > I'm afriad I can't help you with what Brethren > went to Chester County. I thought they kind of > went west to places settled by Pennylvania Dutch. > > There is a BRETHREN-L list at Rootsweb. Also, > you might want to look at the site, > http://www.cob-net.org (possibly that's cobb). > Also, you can use the search engines to look for > Brethren. There's a guy named Donald I think it > is Durnbaugh who recently published a couple of > really good books on the Brethren and their > history - if you have that level of interest and > you can get ahold of them. > > Also, alot of the Brethren denominations have > archived records from teh congregations for > people doing genealogy. > > Yours, > Dora > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > >

Paula, I can answer your first question. The first date is the date the will was written, and the second date is the date the will was proved. The only thing you can say regarding the date of death is that it most likely occurred a short time before the second date, but there is rarely more specific info than that. Chances are that A. 48 is a number that you can use to request a copy of the actual will itself, you can get them from the Chester County Archives. -- Mary Taffet mdtaffet@syr.edu PPicken@aol.com wrote: > > Sandra, > > Even though I did not ask...in your response you listed the will of my 9G > Grandmother Elizabeth Paggott Newlin.. I hope this is not a redundant > question- There are two dates at the beginning of the paragraph. One is > August 18, 1714, and the second is February 10, 1717. I assume that the > first date is the date of the will and the second date is the death date. A. > 48 represents age? Is this at the time the will was drawn up or death? > > Thank you for the bonus! You are wealth of information as aways. > > Paula Lewis Picken > > LEWIS, WARREN, CRUTTENDEN, NEWLIN, MENDENHALL, LANDIS, EMMICK, WOODWARD, > SHARPLESS, IDDINGS, DUFFY, SNOVER, INGERSOLL > > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Visit the US GenWeb Master States Index Page > http://www.usgenweb.org

In a message dated 7/19/00 2:29:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bjmac@wilmington.net writes: << Hey, Ya'll....... I'm searching for the surname OTTEY. John OTTEY m. Ann Iddings abt 1691 at Kingsessing +Christopher Ottey, married Elizabeth Godfrey +Richard Ottey +Thomas Ottey +Philip Ottey, b. 1701, married Sarah Baker (b. 18 Mar 1711 in Chester County) I have found Ann Iddings Ottey's will abstract, but searching for info on the rest of the family. Do these names ring a bell with anyone? >> Hi, I have John Ottey -m- to Ann Iddings Children are listed as follows: Phillip John Thomas Richard Eli Sarah Ann Lydiah Hannah No Christopher listed as child to John and Ann Richard -m- Sarah White Thomas -m- Hester Lee Mary Jane Carroll

Sandra, Even though I did not ask...in your response you listed the will of my 9G Grandmother Elizabeth Paggott Newlin.. I hope this is not a redundant question- There are two dates at the beginning of the paragraph. One is August 18, 1714, and the second is February 10, 1717. I assume that the first date is the date of the will and the second date is the death date. A. 48 represents age? Is this at the time the will was drawn up or death? Thank you for the bonus! You are wealth of information as aways. Paula Lewis Picken LEWIS, WARREN, CRUTTENDEN, NEWLIN, MENDENHALL, LANDIS, EMMICK, WOODWARD, SHARPLESS, IDDINGS, DUFFY, SNOVER, INGERSOLL

I checked this out. From all the printing, but not indepth reading, I've done as I printed Brethren history stuff out tonight, I think this sect is a different one from the one that Mack formed in Germantown around the same time, which I'm pretty sure is the one Sandra cites with its other two churches. I'll have to post to this list, too, when I get it all figured out! The BRETHREN-L list is supposed to be a place to go for info on history, as per their list information - not everyone is real happy with that. I had someone from the PABERKS list write to me and ask me to please not get any historical discussions going on the BRETHREN list! (grin) You were looking for genealogy - whoops! I think you have to do history with genealogy, but not everyone agrees. Yours, Dora --- Charlie Parks <chazp@erols.com> wrote: > The Church of the Brethren is not Mennonite. > > However, the United Brethren, which has no > connection to > the Church of the Brethren, was formed by a > combination of > Mennonites and German Reformed. A short > history is given > at > http://www.feist.com/~pseward/main/ubhist.html > > I learned this by mistakenly joning the > Brethren mailing > list to look for my United Brethren ancestors. > > Charlie > > Sandra Ferguson wrote: > > > > Is the Church of the Brethren the same as > the Mennonite? If so, there > > were "3 churches between 1725 and 1785 built > on the Schuylkill. These must > > have been in Chester co, as the Montgomery co > churches are included in other > > districts. the oldest one is on the > Schuylkill road, in East Coventry Twp, > > abouyt 3 miles from Pottstown, dated 1728. > > The first Mennonite church in the > vicinity of Phoenixville, located on > > the ridge mear the residence of the Heckel > family. Erection date unknown. > > In 1772 was erected the Mennonite > meeting-house in Phoenixville, located > > on Main Street. > > This sect, driven from the homes of their > ancestry by persecution was > > once numerous among the German inhabitants of > PA, but is gradually becoming > > extinct. It's membership at Phoenixville > has dwindled down to a few > > people" [this was written in 1889]. > > > Sandra > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Check out other counties in PA! > http://libertynet.org/~gencap/pacounties.html > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

included in other districts. the oldest one is on the Schuylkill road, in East Coventry Twp, abouyt 3 miles from Pottstown, dated 1728. The first Mennonite church in the vicinity Well, that sounds like the answer to teh Chester County part. Dora __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

--- Sandra Ferguson <ferg@intelos.net> wrote: > Is the Church of the Brethren the same as > the Mennonite? If so, there > were "3 churches between 1725 and 1785 built > on the Schuylkill. These must > have been in Chester co, as the Montgomery co > churches are included in other > Oh, no, here we go again! We're having quite a discussion on the PABERKS list on this topic. Probaly a gentleman named Ray Honaker will jump in and call me ignorant - and then partially answer your question, but I'm going to risk it anyway (grin). No, the Church of the Brethren isn't the same thing as the Mennonites. I'm new meaning to unclear on which of the Brethren sects was the Chruch of the Brethren. Mean to straighten it out months from now when I can get my hands on teh appropriate books. Some Brethren sects had Mennonite roots. I think that all ultimately had Anabaptist roots. But some apparently, from what I can tell, came from a Pietist movement in Germany that was concerned mostly with revitalizing religion. If they had other concerns, too, I haven't learned about them yet. There was a Brethren group who organized in Germantown I think around the 1720's. There were also a number of sects, like the Ephrata Cloister and the Moravians, who were loosely associated with both Pietism and the Brethren via their founders had at one time belonged to those churches, and were sometimes called Brethren. There were also Dunkers and German Baptists, who Ive seen some people and some sources insist they were the same thing as the Brethren, and others insist they had nothing to do with the Brethren. I'm afriad I can't help you with what Brethren went to Chester County. I thought they kind of went west to places settled by Pennylvania Dutch. There is a BRETHREN-L list at Rootsweb. Also, you might want to look at the site, http://www.cob-net.org (possibly that's cobb). Also, you can use the search engines to look for Brethren. There's a guy named Donald I think it is Durnbaugh who recently published a couple of really good books on the Brethren and their history - if you have that level of interest and you can get ahold of them. Also, alot of the Brethren denominations have archived records from teh congregations for people doing genealogy. Yours, Dora __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Frazer isn't a township. The general location is where Rt. 352 dead-ends at Rt. 30 (Lancaster Pike). It's in East Whiteland Township. I tried the USGS GNIS site for the cemetery and didn't come up with anything. This was the only Frazer that was listed for the whole state of PA on the GNIS site. Marge Green

Harold: I don't recognize your Montgomery's, but I do have a few of tehm, from London Britain township and thereabouts, at my web site, at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/5127/fathersfam/genealogy.html. If Yahoo tells you oops, no such page, wait awhile and clear your browser cache before you try again. Also, my father said his Aunt Mayme Smith (Smiths of White Clay Creek on the state lines) used to visit someone in West Chester, I think he said, named Le Fevre. You don't have any clue who that would be, do you? The Lefevre's wre Quaker, and Aunt Mayme's mother was a Thompson. (THe Mill Creek and New Garden ones) Yours, Dora Smith --- HELefevre@aol.com wrote: > I'm searching for Shadrack MONTGOMERY, b 26 Jan > 1791. According to his obit > he was born in Chester Co, PA. Died 18 Oct > 1871; Van Buren Twp., Shelby Co. > Ohio. I know nothing of Shadrack's parents > beyond that his mother remarried > (don't know if in PA or OH). She married a > gentleman named SPRINGER. Again > no given name. Shadrack was living in OH prior > to the War of 1812. He > served several tours of duty in the war both in > the Ohio militia and in the > regular army (using the name of MONTGOMERY as > well as SPRINGER). He was > captured by the British at Detroit and was > forced to march to Fort Niagara > where he was later paroled. He has an > extensive pension file which indicates > that he married Isabella McCULLOUGH in Madison > Co. OH on 07 Sept 1816. Does > anyone have any knowledge of Shadrack's parents > or siblings or confirmation > that he was born in Chester Co. PA? Any help > would be appreciated. Thanks. > > Harold Lefevre > HELefevre@aol.com > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from regular mail mode on this > list, send a message to: > PACHESTE-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > Put only the word unsubscribe in the body of > your message. For digest > mode, send the message to > PACHESTE-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

I was interested in your Jetts and Bowens, as I have both, in Old Rappahannock and King George counties, VA. Their wills prove that they were there early on, and my first with documentation is John, who died in Old Rappahannock co, in 1688. His son, Stephen married Susannah Pratt, and their daugher Rebecca married Peter Jett, in 1737. I am including the wills of John and son Stephen, as many children are listed, which might be a clue for you. Sandra John Bowen Will, Rappahannock Co, VA, dated 1 April 1688, Proved 5 May 1686, recorded 17 May 1686; Abstracts: Wife: "my loving wife" - not named; Two sons under 21: Mathew and John Bowen; (250 acres where I now live divided between them when... they shall live to the age of twenty one years; Other two sons under 21: Stephen and Alexander Bowen; (parcel of land lying in the forke bought by Alexander Doniphan and myself of George Jones containing 500 acres, divided between them when ... they shall live to the age of twenty one years); Daughter: Martha Mentions: "the child my wife goeth with." Wife, Executrix & son Matthew, Executor; Witnesses: Moses Hubbert, Alex'r Doniphan, Stephen Bowens will is proven August 25, 1749 and registered in King George County. In the name of God Amen. I Stephen Bowen of the county of King George being sick and weak of body but of perfect sence and memory thanks be to God for it and as touching my worldly estate wherewith it hath pleased Almighty god to Bless me with all I doe dispose of after the following manner. Item: I give and bequeath unto my son Mathew Bowen one Negro woman named Fillis and 1 negro girl named Jenney. Item: I give and bequeath unto my loving son William Bowen one Negro boy named David and one negro girl named Frank. Item: I give unto my aforesaid sone Mathew Bowen my still, tub and worm. item: I give and bequeath unto my loving daughter Susanna Bowen one young horse about 3 years old. Item: I give and bequeath unto my sonn Stephen Bowen all my cyder caske of what size soever and one gun. Item: I give and bequeath unto my son Stephen Bowen five shillings to be paid by my executors. Item: I give and bequeath unto my daughter Rebecka Jett five shilllings to be paid as aforesaid. Item: I give and bequeath unto my daughter Elizabeth Hughs five shillings to b paid as aforesaid. Item: I give and bequeath unto John Jett's five children which he had by my daughter Margaret Bowen five shillings to be paid by my executor when they shall come to age to demand it. Item: I give and bequeath all the rest of my estate to be equally divided between my two sons Mathew and William and my two daughters Mary and Susanna Bowen. And I do appoint my two sons Mathew Bowen and William Bowen my whole and sole executors of this my last will and testament as witness my hand and seal this 25th day fo August 1747 -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Bowen <katbowen@earthlink.net> To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, July 23, 2000 2:46 PM Subject: [PACHESTE] Major Edward R. Bowen, from PA? He connects to Culpeper, VA Bowens? >Hello, > >I think I have found an elusive BOWEN connection..... > >A year or so ago, a cousin mailed me a packet of "This and That" notes she >had collected on BOWEN and some allied lines in the Culpeper environs. Most >entries were notes and anecdotes that older, now deceased, relations had >passed on to her. I know that the Bowen surname is Welsh (and a couple of >notes refer to James' "Welsh temper") but I had been advised that they came >from other states previous to settling in VA....possibly Pennsylvania, as >there were other Bowens in Augusta and Boutetort Co that came from PA and it >was thought that the Culpeper Bowens were related to them (and I still have >no definite proof of the connections to other VA Bowen lines: King >George/Old Rappahannock, Augusta, Boutetort....) So, one of the "This and >That' notes I have kept in mind as I search for when my Bowen line came to >Culpeper. It relates that a "Major Bowen" came to Culpeper County during >the Civil War and that he was the son of the brother of James Bowen (James >Bowen, b. 1790, in Culpeper?, d. 1870; mrd. Ann T. Foushee. I presently >only list one brother for James: Joseph Bowen who mrd. Sally Nalle......I >don't know if Joseph and Sally had any children - does anyone on this list >know? ) and that he gave "aunt Tie Bowen" (Vashti Catherine Bowen, a >granddaughter to James Bowen) "...a golden ring." The note doesn't say >WHERE Major Bowen came from..... > >Recently, a Jett researcher, Bob Kammen, posted a great URL for Cornell >University's "Making of America" special collection and I have enjoyed it >immensely (It's at >http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/moa/index.html - have fun!) > >While searching for Bowen & Culpeper, I get a hit from the book "The war of >the rebellion: a compilation of the official records of the Union and >Confederate armies. / Series 1 - Volume 29 (Part I)" published in 1890. >Pages 756/7 has a journal report from "Major Edward R. Bowen, One hundred >and fourteenth Pennsylvania Infantry." He lists his HDQRS as "...Brandy >Station, A. and A. R. R., Va., Dec. 6, 1863...marching up Mine Run, some >distance beyond Robertson's Tavern....on the 29th ultimo....I rejoined the >brigade in the woods at my right...marching at dark to the plank road and on >that to Culpeper's crossing on the Rapidan, which place we reached at >daylight...we moved a short distance...when we marched to Brandy Station and >went into our former camp, a detail of 75 men and 3 officers....am happy to >be able to report no casualties in my regiment...E. R. Bowen, Major, >Commanding 114th Pennsylvania Volunteers." There are also other references >to the Bowen home being used by some officers and troops.....There is a >Bowen home in Brandy, right behind what is known as Bailey's Store, just 1/8 >of a mile from the RR tracks and Station! My father was born there in 1919. > >Does the fact that this Major Edward R. Bowen commanded a Pennsylvania unit >(the 114th) indicate he was from Pennsylvania? I know many of the enlisted >folks of the Civil War in my Virginia lines all seemed to belong to Virginia >units/companies....but would it work similarly for officers fo that era? > >Here are 2 census citations for an Edward Bowen in 1850 in PA: > >Bowen, Edward PA Armstrong Freeport Township 1850 749 119 (Labourer, age 46, >val of RE = $500, b, PA) > >Bowen, Edward PA Chester Tredyffrin Township 1850 764 363 (Laborer, age 39, >val of RE = $200, b. PA) > >So, if anyone has any ideas or suggestions, I would love to hear them! > >Thanks for any help or information anyone may be able to share..... > >Kathleen in Ridge Manor, Florida - Genealogy: It's Relative!! >katbowen@earthlink.net or kbowen@hotmail.com >http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/o/w/Kathleen-E-Bowen >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=katbowen > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > >

Hello, Would like any information about James & John Lynch who lived in East Nottingham about 1830 to 1842. Looks as if a John Lynch was in East Nottingham at least as early as 1823. Is any one researching this line? Thanks in advance for any help. Sincerely, Gordon Lynch

The Church of the Brethren is not Mennonite. However, the United Brethren, which has no connection to the Church of the Brethren, was formed by a combination of Mennonites and German Reformed. A short history is given at http://www.feist.com/~pseward/main/ubhist.html I learned this by mistakenly joning the Brethren mailing list to look for my United Brethren ancestors. Charlie Sandra Ferguson wrote: > > Is the Church of the Brethren the same as the Mennonite? If so, there > were "3 churches between 1725 and 1785 built on the Schuylkill. These must > have been in Chester co, as the Montgomery co churches are included in other > districts. the oldest one is on the Schuylkill road, in East Coventry Twp, > abouyt 3 miles from Pottstown, dated 1728. > The first Mennonite church in the vicinity of Phoenixville, located on > the ridge mear the residence of the Heckel family. Erection date unknown. > In 1772 was erected the Mennonite meeting-house in Phoenixville, located > on Main Street. > This sect, driven from the homes of their ancestry by persecution was > once numerous among the German inhabitants of PA, but is gradually becoming > extinct. It's membership at Phoenixville has dwindled down to a few > people" [this was written in 1889]. > Sandra

If this is indeed the case, then there are no Church of the Brethren , as such, listed in F & C. -----Original Message----- From: Marty Graybill <mbg4@sierranv.net> To: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@intelos.net> Date: Sunday, July 23, 2000 4:53 PM Subject: RE: [PACHESTE] Mennonites >Hello, > >No the Brethren are not the same as Mennonites, though some Mennonites >became Brethren as did my 3rd GGF but this was because there was no >Mennonite Church in Iowa near him so he became United Brethren, his son my 2 >GGF became 7th Day Adventist > >The Mennonite Church dates from about 1525, called Anabaptist then, the >Brethren Church from the early 1700s > >Marty > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sandra Ferguson [mailto:ferg@intelos.net] >> Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 1:33 PM >> To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [PACHESTE] Mennonites >> >> >> Is the Church of the Brethren the same as the Mennonite? If so, there >> were "3 churches between 1725 and 1785 built on the Schuylkill. >> These must >> have been in Chester co, as the Montgomery co churches are >> included in other >> districts. the oldest one is on the Schuylkill road, in East >> Coventry Twp, >> abouyt 3 miles from Pottstown, dated 1728. >> The first Mennonite church in the vicinity of Phoenixville, located on >> the ridge mear the residence of the Heckel family. Erection date unknown. >> In 1772 was erected the Mennonite meeting-house in >> Phoenixville, located >> on Main Street. >> This sect, driven from the homes of their ancestry by persecution was >> once numerous among the German inhabitants of PA, but is >> gradually becoming >> extinct. It's membership at Phoenixville has dwindled down to a few >> people" [this was written in 1889]. >> Sandra >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----Original Message----- >> From: Larry Cook <l.cook@mindspring.com> >> To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: Sunday, July 23, 2000 1:52 PM >> Subject: [PACHESTE] Looking for COOK PA Ancestors >> >> >> >I am trying to track down my Pennsylvania ancestors. >> > >> >Henry COOK (b. 1825, d. 1912) married Mary HOLLOWBUSH (or Hollabush) on >> >about >> >11-27-1851 in a Church of the Brethren in Chester County, PA. >> > >> >I learned just this week that Henry's father is Samuel COOK, who married >> >Hannah REIFSNYDER. I learned this by obtaining a copy of Henry's death >> >certificate. >> >The only other information given about Samuel and Hannah is that >> they were >> >both born in Prussia. >> >The information on Henry's death certificate came from his son, >> John Wilson >> >Cook, I, so >> >I believe it is highly credible. >> > >> >Does anyone have Samuel and Hannah COOK in their tree, or know >> of any other >> >trees having these names? >> >Does anyone know how I can get any information about the Chester County >> >congregation of the Church of the Brethren? >> >I have posted an inquiry on the Brethren's mailing list, as >> well. I've also >> >reviewed their web site, but can't find any information on this >> >congregation. >> > >> >Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks. >> > >> > >> > >> >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >> >Visit the PA GenWeb Archives at >> >http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/pafiles.htm >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >> Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm >> >> >> >> > >

Is the Church of the Brethren the same as the Mennonite? If so, there were "3 churches between 1725 and 1785 built on the Schuylkill. These must have been in Chester co, as the Montgomery co churches are included in other districts. the oldest one is on the Schuylkill road, in East Coventry Twp, abouyt 3 miles from Pottstown, dated 1728. The first Mennonite church in the vicinity of Phoenixville, located on the ridge mear the residence of the Heckel family. Erection date unknown. In 1772 was erected the Mennonite meeting-house in Phoenixville, located on Main Street. This sect, driven from the homes of their ancestry by persecution was once numerous among the German inhabitants of PA, but is gradually becoming extinct. It's membership at Phoenixville has dwindled down to a few people" [this was written in 1889]. Sandra ----Original Message----- From: Larry Cook <l.cook@mindspring.com> To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, July 23, 2000 1:52 PM Subject: [PACHESTE] Looking for COOK PA Ancestors >I am trying to track down my Pennsylvania ancestors. > >Henry COOK (b. 1825, d. 1912) married Mary HOLLOWBUSH (or Hollabush) on >about >11-27-1851 in a Church of the Brethren in Chester County, PA. > >I learned just this week that Henry's father is Samuel COOK, who married >Hannah REIFSNYDER. I learned this by obtaining a copy of Henry's death >certificate. >The only other information given about Samuel and Hannah is that they were >both born in Prussia. >The information on Henry's death certificate came from his son, John Wilson >Cook, I, so >I believe it is highly credible. > >Does anyone have Samuel and Hannah COOK in their tree, or know of any other >trees having these names? >Does anyone know how I can get any information about the Chester County >congregation of the Church of the Brethren? >I have posted an inquiry on the Brethren's mailing list, as well. I've also >reviewed their web site, but can't find any information on this >congregation. > >Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks. > > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >Visit the PA GenWeb Archives at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/pafiles.htm > > > > >

In answer to yesterday's query by HELefevre@aol, my source citations for Shadrach Montgomery's birth are The History of Auglaize Co/Wm J McMurray c.1923 HistoricalPubCo of IndplsIN; History of Western Ohio and AuglaizeCo/C W Wanson c.1905 Press of WmLinn&Sons Clbs,OH "born in Western PA in 1789"; Wapakoneta Courant 11/2/1871 obituary; and, strangely enough, LDS Family Group Record submitted by Harold E Lefevre :) Your summary sounds like pretty much what i have, but i am planning a trip to clbs this wk to do further research. we'll see what surfaces. Thanks for your help. John Yochum bijou@bright.net

These are the only mentions of the name Titlow that I can find...nothing for the spelling Titlo, and none in Lancaster co. I've included the Urner will mentions, also.... I hope there might be a clue in there somewhere. S. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 Berks Co. BEGHTLE, DANIEL, Union. July 10, 1802 - August 28, 1802. Provides for wife Barbara. Plantation to be sold and all estate for her use. Mentions his sister Anna and brother Joseph BEGHTLE's children. Refers to a number of bonds due from Jacob MALSBERGER, Jr. Exrs: Friends David TITLOW of Coventry and Christian BEERY. Wits: Bartholomew WAMBACH and Sebastian STUBBLEBEIN. Chester Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 HOUCK, FREDERICK. Coventry. December 6, 1794. March 20, 1795. Provides for wife Sarah. To daughter Catharin Houck my place in Coventry for which land of 47 acres she is to pay £160 specie. To daughter Elizabeth, wife of John Miller, and grandson Thomas Watts £10 each. To son Frederick and daughter Mary, wife of William Watts, 20 shillings each. Executors: Henry Christman, John Titlow. Wit: Henry Steits and "a duchman." Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 MUNSHOWER, JOHN. Coventry. February 16, 1802: April 17, 1802. To Wife Elizabeth the plantation whereon I live and all other estate during life, and at her decease sold and proceeds divided as follows: To son Jacob $3, he having had his share. Remaining equally divided among other children, Christiana, David and Henry Munshower, Elizabeth Shenkle, John, Susanna and Mary Munshower. Executors: Wife Elizabeth and son-in-law Martin Shenkle. Wits.: Philip Miller, John Titlow, Simon Meredith. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 BRUMBACK, HENRY. Vincent. May 20, 1804: August 24, 1804. Plantation in Vincent and Coventry to be divided between sons Benjamin and Peter at appraised value, and all estate equally divided between 5 children, John, Peter, Benjamin, Hannah Snider and Susanna Prizer. Executors: Sons John, Peter, and Benjamin Brumback. Signed with mark. Wits.: John Titlow, Roger Davis, John Ralston. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 GRUBB, DAVID. Vincent. August 13, 1809: October 14, 1809. Provides for wife Catherine. Executors to sell tract of 40 acres in Coventry and divide proceeds, one-third to son David, and two-thirds to daughter Elizabeth Brownback. To granddaughter Caty Brownback £20 after wife's decease, and remainder to above named son and daughter in equal shares. Executors: David Grubb and Benjamin Brownback. Wits.: Conrad Grubb, John Titlow. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 HOOBER, JACOB. Coventry. February 9, 1804: December 27, 1809. To wife Catharina all estate during life: After her decease all estate to be sold. To Presbyterian Church in Coventry, called Brownbacks £50. Remainder in equal shares to the orphan children of John Kaylor, deceased, son of my brother-in-law Jacob Kaylor, "supposed to be 5 shares if they should all be alive." Executor: Friend, John Titlow. Test signed in German, Huber. Wits.: Philip Miller, Abraham Titlow. Philadelphia Co Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 RUSH, DANIEL. Northern Liberties. Philadelphia County. Farmer. May 3, 1822. June 28, 1822. 7.499. Son: Land purchased of Jacob Kirk. Daughter: Susanna, now wife of Jacob Taylor land in Northern Liberties adjoining ground late of Daniel Sheetz. Daughters: Sarah now wife of Christian Fance, Elizabeth Humphreys, property in said Liberties. Sons in law: Jacob Taylor, Christian Fance land which I purchased of John Childs and of Jacob Smith in trust for my daughter Catharine now the wife of Jacob Titlow. Granddaughters: Susan Humphreys, Susan Titlow, Susan Rush. Exec: Sons in law: Jacob Taylor, Christian Fance. Witnesses: Robert Whitehead, Joseph Young, Nathan W. Eyre. Codicil May 13, 1822. Exrs. to sell land in Frankford, Philadelphia County. Witnesses: Robert Whitehead, Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 URNER, MARTIN. Coventry. May 5, 1798. June 18, 1799. To eldest son Martin part of my plantation whereon I live [des], containing 87 acres, reserving a tract out of the same, containing 80 perches, to George Price and John Bough in trust for the use of a school and meeting place for the Religious Society called the first day Baptists "of which Society I am a member." To youngest son Jonas the remainder of my plantation, containing 140 acres, he paying to my daughter Mary Rinehart £200 and to daughter Elizabeth Titloe £400. Executors: Son Jonas, Friend John Rinehart. No record of letters. Wit: Rudolph Herey (Hervy?), Martin Rinehart, Abraham Rinehart. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 RINEHART, MARTIN. Coventry. May 3, 1820. June 8, 1820. Provides for wife Elizabeth. Real & personal estate to be sold and rem. divided in 9 equal shares: one each to Matthias, Esther, wife of Abraham Zublin, Peter, Elizabeth, wife of Benjamin Harley, Martin, Hannah, Mary, one share to children of son Owen, December'd., viz: Oliver, Ephraim, and Reuben, and the remianing share to my executors in trust for use of dau. Salomy, wife of Rowland Crouse. Executors: Friends Abraham Rinehart and Daniel Urner. Wits: George Prise, Isaac Reinhart, Jacob Ecker. Philadelephia Co Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 URNER, MARTIN. Co. of Chester, Penna. March 24, 1755. April 10, 1755. K.284. Wife: Barbara. Child: Mary. Grandchildren: David and Jacob Urner, John, Andrew and Martin Wolf. Daughter-in-Law: Barbra Urner. Son-in-Law: Andrew Wolf. Exec: Martin Urner, Jr. and Jacob Freek. Witnesses: John Sliner, Stephen Bower, George Croft. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 GOGENOUR, HENRY. Co. of Chester, Penna. Miller. January 2, 1762. February 12, 1762. M.245. Children: George and Elizabeth. Beneficiaries: The poor of Coventry, Chester Co., Penna. Exec: Son George. Witnesses: John Switzar, Andrew Hath, Martin Urner. -----Original Message----- From: c r honaker <crhonaker@compuserve.com> To: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@intelos.net>; Stan <stant@atlassigns.com> Cc: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, July 23, 2000 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [PACHESTE] Titlow Message text written by "Sandra Ferguson" >Abraham Titlow, of Lancaster County, was married to Elizabeth Urner, daughter of Martin Urner, the second preacher and bishop of the Coventry Brethern's Church from 1755 to 1799. The Isaac N. Urner family came originally from canton Uri, in Switzerland, as the name implies. Three brothers, John, Martin and Jacob, sons of Uriah, came from the province of Alsace, having been driven out of Switzerland by the persecutions of 1672. They probably came over in about 1708, as colonial records show them to have been here in 1712." A George Titlo (another spelling of the name, without the final w) was listed in the Coventry taxables in 1753. Also buried at Brownback's is "John Titlow b. 1751 d. 1827, son of Henry." Sandra< Sandra, Thanks. I have a will dated 1799 by Martin Urner, Coventry where he lists his daughter Elizabeth Titlow--so, it must be this one that married Abraham. This helps me know how the Titlows got to Lancaster Cty. Obviously, Abraham was from Coventry, married Elizabeth Urner and moved to Lancaster. I wonder who his father might have been. Abraham Titlow who was in Salford, Montgomery in 1734 had a son named Abraham who was born circa 1731 but my records have him married to an Anna Clara? and living in Bucks County. Henry Titlow (b 1719 and buried at Brownsback) had a son Abraham who was married to Catherine Scholl. So, this leaves the possibility of Abraham who married Elizabet Urner (like my ancestor David Titlow) being theson of George Titlo---? I would love to get the information on George's family. Thanks again, Ray