In a message dated 07/26/2000 8:22:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ferg@intelos.net writes: << In my first email back to someone I also tell tell them what info they need to include when placing ANY query.....this is what often gets me the "nasty" title. >> It's more then that, Sandy. You wear your title well and you've just proved it in your last e-mail. :)

Sandra I want to join the many researchers who appreciate your help. Thank You Bob Jordan

Actually, I think this conversation should have taken place off list. Yes, you both are extremely giving of your time and resources, but I can tell you if I were a new member to the list and had just received this, I would be too put off by the tone to ever ask for help. I would probably turn around and unsubscribe without ever giving you the opportunity to redeem yourselves. Yes, I can understand your frustration, but personally, from this email message, I can also see where the "title" comes from. Roni -----Original Message----- From: Sandra Ferguson [mailto:ferg@intelos.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 6:53 AM To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACHESTE] Re: Will lookup Chester Co., Pa. Karen, In my first email back to someone I also tell tell them what info they need to include when placing ANY query.....this is what often gets me the "nasty" title. I am suppose to be not only a free researcher but a mind reader. And, don't kid yourself that these are merely misguided folk, looking for "the way". The last fool who emailed, Ms. TN, informed me that she is a state coordinator, or some such thing, who most certainly should be well aware of what constitutes a answerable query. Many others simply want someone else to do their work for them, which then, many times, goes unacknowledged. Generally I think that the county help lists are set up pretty well, and many, if not most of the titles, are fairly self explanatory. Unfortunately, just because there are instructions above the names titles is NO guarantee that (1) anyone will read them or (2) anyone will obey them. Last week someone sent me one of those "tell me everything you know about Joe Blow" queries, and after 3 or 4 emails to try to get enough info to help, she sent me what was on the county site, which consisted of my name, full instructions for no blanket lookups, list title in the email, etc, and a list of titles under my name.....and then she said that there was nothing to indicate what I would use to help her, and how was she suppose to know.........so, often we are just dealing with "DUMB", or at least not thinking very logically, which translates into total frustration on this side of the query......I don't have any answers, other than periodically quitting lookups, to get a chance to "rest up" a bit for the next bunch of "fools" that are now, even as we speak, flexing their typing fingers to send off more of those maddening queries! S. -----Original Message----- From: Booboopies@aol.com <Booboopies@aol.com> To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [PACHESTE] Re: Will lookup Chester Co., Pa. >Sandra, > >Believe me, Sandra, I share your frustrations. I get requests like that every single day. I have found it much less aggravating to send a standard "form" response indicating that I cannot do research on Joe Smith if I don't have dates and locations. I also explain the limitations of the books people are hoping will have information. If I get a polite apology in return with the appropriate information, I'll go the extra mile for them. Otherwise, they simply get "Sorry, but I can't help you, try such and such." > >This happened just the other day, and with a simply reply from the requester, I had enough to go on to check sources other than just the original lookup request and got the individual back several generations. Not only that, but I also got a huge thank you and additional information that she subsequently found on her own as a result of the info I had provided. > >Bear in mind that many people making requests haven't got a clue what they're doing and are often taking a shot in the dark. > >In addition, the web pages that show lookup volunteers aren't set up to describe the content and/or dates of the published sources we're using. I've had to disappoint dozens and dozens of people who want information for 19th century church records because the Early Churches of Delaware County/Chester County are primarily Quaker and cover 1681-1800. > >Rather than getting ourselves all hot and bothered, since this appears to be an ongoing source of frustration both to the requestor and the researcher, maybe we should take the initiative and propose that the Rootsweb volunteer pages could be modified to include descriptions of the books offered for look-ups. While it might not eliminate all the problems, it might eliminate enough to make our volunteerism a little less painful. > >Anybody know how we can make such a suggestion? > >Karen Greim Mullian >booboopies@aol.com > >In a message dated Tue, 25 Jul 2000 8:51:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Sandra Ferguson" <ferg@intelos.net> writes: > ><< Did you all hear that noise?......it was me, pulling my hair out! Here >is yet another query I received this afternoon.....her second email >indicated that she felt this was sufficient, that I was nasty and she'd fix >me and take her query elsewhere.........rats, right? > I can't tell you how many emails I have had from other volunteers, >indicating that the same things happen to them, all the time, and how >maddening it is! Too bad there isn't a query form that people could print >out, and follow, when asking for help....I just don't know what makes it so >tough? I suppose if everyone always included, full name, occurrence >interested in(birth, death, marriage, will), geographic location and DATES, >all would be "right with the world"....or at least the world of >volunteering! > S. >, >>I'm ........ from Tn. and could you be so nice as to see if there is a >Round,Rownd, or Rowen-Rowan will listed in early Chester Co. or a Maroe >Will." >>> >> > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >Check out other counties in PA! >http://libertynet.org/~gencap/pacounties.html > > > > > >> > > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from regular mail mode on this list, send a message to: >PACHESTE-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >Put only the word unsubscribe in the body of your message. For digest >mode, send the message to PACHESTE-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > > > > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm

Justine: Here is a few lines of the Hawk Family, hopefully we will find more as to the Connection to Stoneback Family and George Hawk, his bakery business in Elverson & Honeybrook, Pa. 1890-1900. And where they lived. Hawk Famly from the Tri-County Historian Sara Bull 1776-1835 d/o Thomas Bull (m) Isaac Hawk 1773-1857 s/o Elijah Hawk of Churchtown Pa. 1. Rebecca Hawk 2. Mary (Polly) Hawk 1798-1880 3. Samuel Hawk 4. Elijah Hawk 5. Nancy Hawk 1806-1880 6. Eli Hawk 1809-1874 (m) Catherine ? 1818-1885 1. Mary A. Hawk (m) Joseph Weaver Jr 1834-1919 2. ? Hawk (m) ____Will 3. ? Hawk (m) ____Thompson 4 ? Hawk (m) ____Stover 5. Louisa Hawk 1850-1934 6. L.B. Hawk 7. Heber Hawk 7. John Hawk 1811-1887 8. Josiah Hawk -----1846 Robert Houck

Sandra I AGREE! I am one of only a few in my family to care about where we come from and about our ancestors.I share tidbits in my Christmas letters (teaser really) to get some family members interested or at least revive a memory or an old family story. On my side it isn't so bad since there aren't that many of us and I have everyone accounted for. On my husbands side -- I have cousins marrying cousins and the whole tree is a royal mess if you venture off on the sides. I know his straight lineal descent but I do love to play on the side too. His ancestors were some of the founders of Lancaster County so you can imagine how deluged I get with requests. I usually email back and forth a couple times sorting out what info they really want and then print out a family group sheet and a descendent chart for them. Almost always this has been enough. I have found most people only care about going straight back and not the side lines so to speak. I've helped a few people like this. All my, info by the way is documented. One other suggestion I have about documentation and sharing info -- if I get info on a branch that I'm fairly certain will fit in on some side branch then I keep it in a manila folder (NOT in my computer program) marked for that surname. Every once in a while I go through those folders (a different surname each month) and see if anything fits in anywhere. If so, I THEN write that person who submitted / offered that info and confirm. Hope that helps! Jeanne Have Fun and Earn $$$ this Summer! Sales Reps needed. Must be 18. E-mail avon@epix.net for more info. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@intelos.net> To: <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [PACHESTE] Lookups > I learned, the hard way, to ALWAYS ask for the person's line of descent > to the common ancestor, and their documentation for it, before sharing my > research....at least 1/2 the time the askee says, when questioned "I'm not > sure about this generation right here, but feel sure we're related", or "I > don't have actual proof of this marriage, but Aunt Emma say's it's so", > etc.....I'm all for sharing, but why waste your time and effort on someone > who isn't even sure of the relationship? When it becomes apparent that the > link is undocumented I then say "It seems to me that you need to direct > your energy on this unproved generation first....and, when you get it firmed > up let me know and I'll help you with the rest. It's silly to send a lot of > paperwork until you're sure you're related". Isn't that fair? Nor > according to lots of folks.... Believe it or not, I actually have had lots > of people then say "Well, send it to me anyway" , knowing full well that we > were talking, at times, about hundreds of pages of documentation! You know > what? My research is my own; I did it, and I am not required, nor are you, > to give it to ANYONE. One woman contacted me, knowing I am a researcher of > a certain Rev. Francis Doughty. She asked me to view her site and tell her > if I saw any errors. Well, it was a mess, to the point that she even had > brothers listed as father and son, etc. I wrote back and gave her the > correct generations, with dates places and mates. She wrote back, "but > where was so and so ", after I had explained the brothers "bit"....yet > another email about correcting generations, followed by hers, where she > STILL had the brothers as father and son! I emailed , finally, that I > didn't feel that I could be of any further help, and she said "fine.....just > send all your data so I can put it on my site". When I refused (I could > just imagine the mess she'd make of it) she sent email after email, telling > me how selfish I was, and how I had a "duty" to give it to others. I > thought she'd NEVER leave me alone. The moral is your research is yours, to > do with what you wish, and share when you want to. You don't owe it to > anyone........just be smart and make sure, first, that there is actually a > link. > S. > -----Original Message----- > From: Nadine Holder <nadin@C2i2.com> > To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 2:27 PM > Subject: [PACHESTE] Lookups > > > >Might as well jump in here - actually I enjoy these as much as the > genealogy. > >I recently made the mistake of posting my family files to Ancestry.com. I > am deluged with emails asking for everything I have on so-and-so. So-and-so > is usually a way far distant marriage partner or something and when I see > the name I haven't a clue where to look in my family files and am not about > to wade through the Ancestry.com files to find the connection. > > > >So add - asking for any kind of lookup anywhere to the fine list of > suggestions posted so far. > >Nadine > > > > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > >Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Check out the searchable US GenWeb Project Archives! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/usgwarch.html > > > >

I've read today's dialogue with great interest....sounds like the same complaints about "the Public" I hear at my restaurant...people either don't have or don't use common sense, and certainly many have forgotten the manners they were taught when small...or maybe they weren't taught?? How far a please and thank you will go - I have used lookup volunteers to help me and am amazed at how much info and help they can give - I always thank them after they email me, even if they find nothing. I know I want to be appreciated - who doesn't? Sorry for the length - I think you're all a great help and THANK YOU!!! Anne in Maine

I learned, the hard way, to ALWAYS ask for the person's line of descent to the common ancestor, and their documentation for it, before sharing my research....at least 1/2 the time the askee says, when questioned "I'm not sure about this generation right here, but feel sure we're related", or "I don't have actual proof of this marriage, but Aunt Emma say's it's so", etc.....I'm all for sharing, but why waste your time and effort on someone who isn't even sure of the relationship? When it becomes apparent that the link is undocumented I then say "It seems to me that you need to direct your energy on this unproved generation first....and, when you get it firmed up let me know and I'll help you with the rest. It's silly to send a lot of paperwork until you're sure you're related". Isn't that fair? Nor according to lots of folks.... Believe it or not, I actually have had lots of people then say "Well, send it to me anyway" , knowing full well that we were talking, at times, about hundreds of pages of documentation! You know what? My research is my own; I did it, and I am not required, nor are you, to give it to ANYONE. One woman contacted me, knowing I am a researcher of a certain Rev. Francis Doughty. She asked me to view her site and tell her if I saw any errors. Well, it was a mess, to the point that she even had brothers listed as father and son, etc. I wrote back and gave her the correct generations, with dates places and mates. She wrote back, "but where was so and so ", after I had explained the brothers "bit"....yet another email about correcting generations, followed by hers, where she STILL had the brothers as father and son! I emailed , finally, that I didn't feel that I could be of any further help, and she said "fine.....just send all your data so I can put it on my site". When I refused (I could just imagine the mess she'd make of it) she sent email after email, telling me how selfish I was, and how I had a "duty" to give it to others. I thought she'd NEVER leave me alone. The moral is your research is yours, to do with what you wish, and share when you want to. You don't owe it to anyone........just be smart and make sure, first, that there is actually a link. S. -----Original Message----- From: Nadine Holder <nadin@C2i2.com> To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 2:27 PM Subject: [PACHESTE] Lookups >Might as well jump in here - actually I enjoy these as much as the genealogy. >I recently made the mistake of posting my family files to Ancestry.com. I am deluged with emails asking for everything I have on so-and-so. So-and-so is usually a way far distant marriage partner or something and when I see the name I haven't a clue where to look in my family files and am not about to wade through the Ancestry.com files to find the connection. > >So add - asking for any kind of lookup anywhere to the fine list of suggestions posted so far. >Nadine > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > >

Another point that I find very helpful with lookups. Many of us are listed on various county lists, along with the books and CDs that we are willing to do lookups in. Obviously, by sending me an email you must have thought that one of the things with my name might be of help to you....right? Then put the name of that book,CD, etc in the subject slot or in the 1st line of the message of your query. That way I will know, up front, what book to grab from the shelf, rather than have to read through your whole email to figure it out. Putting lookup in the subject slot is useless..might as well leave it blank.....another aspect about using the titles; many see, I guess, Marriages of Chester co 1690-1812, for instance, in the lookup list, but apparently don't bother to read the years offered. If they would make it a practice to put the tile in the subject slot they would have seen that the years covered weren't the ones they were interested in, thereby saving them, and me, time and effort. So many many people assume that where ever they found your name is the only place you do lookups for, and so don't think it necessary to tell you the location. I've found that many of us do lookups in multiple places....I do them in 4 different states, so don't assume anything! Goodness, all these instructions......but, it's all in an effort to use our own time to better purpose, and to be better able to help you . S. -----Original Message----- From: Mary D. Taffet <mdtaffet@mailbox.syr.edu> To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [PACHESTE] How to write a query or ask for a lookup... >Hi there, > >There is one additional element that should really be included to make the >best query possible. This is a standard item to be included on many of >the mailing lists that I am aware of when someone wants to ask for >information. > >In addition to the items suggested by Cheska, you should also include any >references that you have already checked. After all, there's no sense in >having somebody else recheck a source that you yourself have already >checked. > >I have read the policies for some of the professional mailing lists used >by reference librarians. They are pretty much required to list what >sources have already been checked, or their query won't even be posted to >the list. > >-- Mary Taffet > > >On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Cheska Wheatley wrote: > >> I also do look-ups for several counties and am also a >> list manager for a number of lists. I can certainly >> share Sandra's frustration in receiving requests for >> lookups as well as viewing many inadequate queries >> that are posted to lists. >> >> I think there are basic elements that should be >> included in almost every query and before anyone >> hits the send button, they should read their query >> to make sure each element is included: >> >> WHO: a specific given name and surname. >> (Not, "I'm looking for all Smiths") >> >> WHAT: what information do you hope to find, e.g., >> birth, marriage, death, will record, etc. >> (Not: "anything you have on..." >> >> WHEN: give specific dates when known or at least >> a time frame. >> >> WHERE: specify where the individual last lived >> or in the case of Quakers the monthly meeting >> they last belonged to. >> >> WHY: describe what you hope the information will >> lead to, e.g. trying to establish parents of >> the specified individual. I just might have >> other references that will provide the >> information you need but I won't check them >> if you can't tell me what your research >> objective is. >> >> When you reread your query and cannot find at least >> three of the five elements, you are probably wasting >> your time by asking the wrong question not to mention >> wasting the time of the people who you hope will >> respond to your query. >> >> [snip] > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from regular mail mode on this list, send a message to: >PACHESTE-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >Put only the word unsubscribe in the body of your message. For digest >mode, send the message to PACHESTE-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > > > > > >

Hi there, There is one additional element that should really be included to make the best query possible. This is a standard item to be included on many of the mailing lists that I am aware of when someone wants to ask for information. In addition to the items suggested by Cheska, you should also include any references that you have already checked. After all, there's no sense in having somebody else recheck a source that you yourself have already checked. I have read the policies for some of the professional mailing lists used by reference librarians. They are pretty much required to list what sources have already been checked, or their query won't even be posted to the list. -- Mary Taffet On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Cheska Wheatley wrote: > I also do look-ups for several counties and am also a > list manager for a number of lists. I can certainly > share Sandra's frustration in receiving requests for > lookups as well as viewing many inadequate queries > that are posted to lists. > > I think there are basic elements that should be > included in almost every query and before anyone > hits the send button, they should read their query > to make sure each element is included: > > WHO: a specific given name and surname. > (Not, "I'm looking for all Smiths") > > WHAT: what information do you hope to find, e.g., > birth, marriage, death, will record, etc. > (Not: "anything you have on..." > > WHEN: give specific dates when known or at least > a time frame. > > WHERE: specify where the individual last lived > or in the case of Quakers the monthly meeting > they last belonged to. > > WHY: describe what you hope the information will > lead to, e.g. trying to establish parents of > the specified individual. I just might have > other references that will provide the > information you need but I won't check them > if you can't tell me what your research > objective is. > > When you reread your query and cannot find at least > three of the five elements, you are probably wasting > your time by asking the wrong question not to mention > wasting the time of the people who you hope will > respond to your query. > > [snip]

Speaking as a newbee in the world of genealogy, I would like to say how very much I appreciate the help and patience of more experienced researchers. Sandra and others on this list are a wealth of information and I am constantly amazed at what they manage to find and post on this list. Sandra I would love to visit your library, you wouldn't happen to live close to Colorado would you? :) Gail, not all newbees are rude, the last thing I would want to do is insult someone I am trying to learn from. My inexperience might seem silly to some but I hope that I never seem rude. Email is so wonderful but I know the tone of the words are in the readers head so smileys come in handy. ;) Again a very grateful THANKS to all for your help and patience with my less experienced queries! Vickie Beaver VLB2709@aol.com Looking for DAVIS and GRAY in Chester County.

Might as well jump in here - actually I enjoy these as much as the genealogy. I recently made the mistake of posting my family files to Ancestry.com. I am deluged with emails asking for everything I have on so-and-so. So-and-so is usually a way far distant marriage partner or something and when I see the name I haven't a clue where to look in my family files and am not about to wade through the Ancestry.com files to find the connection. So add - asking for any kind of lookup anywhere to the fine list of suggestions posted so far. Nadine

There is nothing for the surname Dye..... Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 COX, PETER, Heidelberg. March 6, 1813. Adm. to Abigail the widow and Jacob FREY her son. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 COX, WALTER. Cock of Marlborough. January 20, 1726/7. Adm. to Robert Jones. [Walter Cock left widow Rebecca who married -- Feagan and only issue James Cock. See deed book M. 75.] Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 COCK, BENJAMIN. Thornbury. July 4, 1780. February 19, 1783. To sons James, Moses and Benjamin 5 shillings each. To daughter Ann, wife of Thomas Marshall, 10 shillings and to said Thomas 5 shillings. All remainder of estate to wife Ann and sons John and Joseph Cock. Wife's share for life only. Executors: Son Moses, Brother-in-law John Brinton. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 COX (COCK), BENJAMIN. Chester Co. Mary 23, 1818. Thomas Cox, administrator. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 EAVENSON, RICHARD. Thornbury. August 30, 1739. November 19, 1739. B. 49. Provides for wife not named. To son Nathaniel the plantation I now live on containing 352 acres in Thornbury and Westtown when 21, also the lot of land in the Valley where Jacob Taylor liveth being part of the 100 acres I bought of Jacob Wright. Refers to a tract of 100 acres leased to John Stanton for 999 years being a part of the Society land on Brandywine Creek, gives to wife during life and afterward to daughter Mary, also said daughter £100 at 21. Remainder to wife son. Nathaniel and daughter Mary. Gives to son Richard Eavenson, "if he recover from the illness he is now ins," a desk and the dutch boy named Hance Adam Smith now living with him. Executors: brothers Ralph Eavenson and John Newlin. Witnesses: John Townsend, Edith Newlin, Kath. Eavenson. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 EAVENSON, RALPH. Concord. March 24, 1744. April 9, 1744. B. 157. To son Jacob the plantation formerly George Lees except 50 acres of the east end, he providing for his mother Grace during her widowhood. To son Joseph the plantation I now live on and the 50 acres above mentioned subject to provision for his mother. To daughter Phebe Eavenson and grandson Enoch Woodward my lot in Wilmington. To daughter Hannah Woodward 20 shillings. Executors: wife and son Joseph. Witnesses: Jos. Eavenson, John Palmer, John Cheyney. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 EAVENSON, JACOB. February 12, 1744/5. Adm. to Joseph Eavenson. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 EAVENSON, JOSEPH. Concord, yeoman. March 12, 1744/5. April 23, 1745. B. 179. To mother Grace Eavenson during life the plantation left me by my father Ralph Eavenson during life, afterward to my sister Phebe Guess also that plantation left by my father to my brother Jacob Eavenson. To kinswoman Mary Arnold £5. To kinsman Enoch Woodward £1. Remainder to mother. Executors: mother Grace Eavenson and brother in law James Guess. Witnesses: Henry Pierce, Josiah Arnold, John Cheyney. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 EAVENSON, GRACE. Concord. November 11, 1746. January 29, 1746/7. B. 215. To Mary daughter of brother Thomas Arnold £5. To grandson Enoch Woodward £5. To Stephen Hurly £2-10 when 21. To Elizabeth Boss £2-10 at 18. To grandson Joseph Gess £5. To all my brothers and sisters children a new Bible. To daughter Phebe Gess remainder of estate. Executors: son in law James Gess and John Palmer. Witnesses: Wm. Trimble, Jos. Eavenson, Jos. Chamberlin. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 EAVENSON, JEMIMA. . December 25, 1753. Thornbury. . Adm. to Richard Eavenson. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 EAVENSON, NATHANIEL. Thornbury. October 12, 1766. Adm. to Elizabeth Eavenson and Moses Palmer. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 DAVIS, DANIEL. East Bradford. December 28, 1771. October 10, 1778. To son John Davis £50 and wearing apparel. To daughter Ann Davis £100 and household goods. To daughter Hannah wife of Seth Eavenson £50. To the 4 children of son James deceased £25. To Lydia, Mary and Ann Davis at 18 and James at 21. To grandson Aaron son of son James £5 at 21. Executors: Friends John Hall of Concord and Wm. Hunt. Letters adm. to John Fred. Wit: Thomas Taylor, Francis Williams, Isaac Calvert. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 EAVENSON, GEORGE. Thornbury. October 31, 1806. May 20, 1816. Provides for wife Mary, inc. profits of real estate during life; after her decease real estate to son Richard, paying legacies. To son Joseph $40. To sons Eli and Jesse $1 each. To gr.children, George, Thomas, William, John, Sarah, Mary & Phebe Massey $3 each. Remainder to son Richard. Executors: Wife Mary and son Richard Eavenson. (Letters to son.) Wits: Hugh Reed, George Mercer, William Reed. . -----Original Message----- From: Christine Taylor <xtine@home.com> To: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@intelos.net>; PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [PACHESTE] Hogue >Can check to see if there are any wills for Cox (or spelled Cock) and >Eavenson in 1750 to 1800 time frame. Also if there are any Dye names in >same time frame. Benjamin Cox (son of Moses and Hannah Eavenson Cox) >married Philena Dye about 1798 but need info on there parents. Thanks for >your help. > >Christine >

I can't find much, nothing on the specific folks you ask about, but an earlier John Jordan might be a clue. I found one on the tax list of 1753 for Londongrove. Also, July 30, 1759, a "John Jordan and Robert Lambourn paid all charges that accrued on a wagon and 5 horses, impressed". This was in the accounts of Gen. Forbes's expedition into western PA, and the now Pittsburgh area (but don't ask me what the notation means!) These are the only chester wills I can find, other than a slew where Hugh was a witness..... S. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 JACKSON, JOSEPH. Londongrove. September 5, 1760. December 15, 1760. To wife Susanna profits of real estate until sons come of age, then 1/2 to her absolutely and the remaining 1/2 to children equally except daughter Rachel, also £200. To son in law John Jordan £3. To daughter Rachel, wife of John Jordan £200. To son Ephraim 106 acres of the north end of plantation purchased of John Jackson, also 1/4 of mill. To son John plantation that John Jordan now lives on which formerly belonged to Richard Bennett containing 50 acres, also 112 acres of leased land adjoining and 1/4 mill and £150. To son Josiah south end of above mentioned tract and 1/4 of mill. To son Samuel plantation where I now dwell containing about 150 acres and 1/4 of mill at 21, paying £70 to daughter Sarah. To son in law James Jackson £3 and to his wife, my daughter Mary £60. To daughter Hannah £120. To daughter Susanna £120 at 18. To daughter Alice £120 at 18. To daughter Sarah £140 at 18. Executors: Wife Susanna and neighbor Samuel Morton. Witnesses: Richard Flower, James Willson, Isaac Jackson. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 JORDAN, JOHN. Oxford. March 29, 1768. Adm. to Rachel Jordan. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 JORDAN, JOHN, SR. East Fallowfield. March 11, 1809. Sarah Jordan, Hugh Jordan and Jas. Steen, Administrators. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 MITCHELL, JOHN. West Marlborough. August 2, 1815. August 29, 1815. To my bro. Wm. F. Mitchell $2000; also all my land lying on S.W. side of Wilmington Road, computed to be 177 acres, during life and after his December as follows: If my said bro. hath hereafter a male child & calls him Andrew (after my father), said land to be divided between his sons John & Andrew; otherwise the whole to John. If said children should die in their minority the land shall revert to their brothers & sisters, except George (who was advanced by my brother George, December'd.). To the children of sister Sarah Jordan, December'd., $3000. To the children of my sister Mary Withrow, December'd., $3000; that is, to John Mitchell Withrow $600, and rem. to the other children. To my sister Elizabeth and her 3 daus. Margaret, Matilda & Hannah Boyd $400 and my house & lot in Philadelphia. To my housekeeper Jane Jack £500, &c.; also privileges of home while unmarried. Dwelling house & rem. of land on N. E. side of road, 137 acres, in trust for use of nephew John Mitchell, son of bro. Andrew, during life, and at his December to his children, if any; otherwise to nephews John M. Withrow & Hugh Jordan, son of Hugh. Gives £50 for repairs of Doe Run Meeting house & £50 for graveyard walls at Upper Octorara. To Mary McLaughlin, my girl, when free, one cow. To my boy Israel Jordan $50 when 21. To George Gooderl Sr., George Gooderl Jr., James Henry, William Henry, James Brackenridge, Forgy McAlea, and John Mitchell Rhoder (son of John Rhoder), $25 each. Executors: Bro. Wm. F. Mitchell, John D. Steele & Oliver Allison. Wits: Jeremiah Barnard, James Smith. -----Original Message----- From: ROBTJORD@aol.com <ROBTJORD@aol.com> To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 10:00 AM Subject: [PACHESTE] JORDAN, HUGH b. abt 1790 >John J. JORDAN b abt 1770 buried in East Fallowfield Twp, PA. > Land Owner married to Sarah Stewart (Stuart?) > >Hugh JORDAN b abt 1790 buried in East Fallowfield Twp, Chester Cty, PA. > may be buried Doe Run Presybterian Cemetery. > married to Sarah Mitchell many children ?? > >Seeking info on above and possible connection to the below > >Dr. A. (Andrew?) M. JORDAN (my GGGF) was born abt 1816. >He may be buried in West Nottingham Presybterian Cemetery, MD. >Doctor married twice ?? one wife Sarah Troup JORDAN (born PA). > >Dr. Littleton B. JORDAN (my GGF) was born on Jun 5 1854. >He was buried on Jan 21 1912 in West Nottingham, Cecil Cty (see above) Was >married to Mary J. Packer JORDAN on Feb 25 1875 (b. Jul 16, 1846). >She died in 1885. Children: Granville (my GF) , Janetta, Mary, > >2nd wife Mary Widdowes - children here - Harvey, Harry, Adelaide > >Have enjoyed the PACHESTER site for years. >Bob Jordan >RobtJord@aol.com > > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > > >

In response to Mark's post about look-ups I posted my own dilemma and inadvertently sent it to Mark directly. He sent a nice reply that may be of service to others trying to learn how to get info out of PA by asking others for help. Hi Julia, I'm not quite sure why you sent this directly to me, but I'll try to answer your question. Each "looker upper" is different in the information that they need to provide you with what you are looking for. What I try to do is remember that these people are doing ME the favor. I'm sure that in may cases, the frustration they bare from all of the ignorant requestors is vented my way, however I try to be humble and respond very politely. As far as the York HS is concerned, you are correct in not knowing a specific question to ask. I think what you may want to do is ask yourself what it is you're looking for? You said you had a name, date, and location. Are you looking for parents? children? DOB? DOD? Is it you want to confirm something through a document such as a census record, birth certificate, death notice, probate record, tax record? Trust me, I understand your frustration. You spend fifty bucks, you want results! The worst thing is to send a "non-refundable" check and get a response such as "information not found". If you can find who your looking for on a certain index, then you can extract that information and send it in for a copy of the actual document where your ancestor may be. This way you know you'll get something for your $50. I hope this helps you. Good luck in your search, Mark "Julia Land" <julia@hillconet.net> on 07/26/2000 09:30:56 AM To: Mark Christy/NotesOne@NotesOne cc: Subject: Re: [PACHESTE] Chester County Look-ups I also do not understand what is being asked of me by some looker uppers. The York Historical Society recently told me to send $50 dollars and ask a specific question. I have the name date and location but am stuck on what question to ask. So often as we learn you find out the real question was something you would have never thought to ask. What kind of question would be useful to ask the York HS? For my time period 1778 their list of holdings seemed too late. If they had a file on my name surely they would have told me that in the first exchange. Being a long way away I have sent off to the Museum commission in Harrisburg to research land and Military records who just charge 10$ per look-up. Which is very straight forward your guy is in there or not. Maybe someone can explain some basic His society query stuff to me. Julia

John J. JORDAN b abt 1770 buried in East Fallowfield Twp, PA. Land Owner married to Sarah Stewart (Stuart?) Hugh JORDAN b abt 1790 buried in East Fallowfield Twp, Chester Cty, PA. may be buried Doe Run Presybterian Cemetery. married to Sarah Mitchell many children ?? Seeking info on above and possible connection to the below Dr. A. (Andrew?) M. JORDAN (my GGGF) was born abt 1816. He may be buried in West Nottingham Presybterian Cemetery, MD. Doctor married twice ?? one wife Sarah Troup JORDAN (born PA). Dr. Littleton B. JORDAN (my GGF) was born on Jun 5 1854. He was buried on Jan 21 1912 in West Nottingham, Cecil Cty (see above) Was married to Mary J. Packer JORDAN on Feb 25 1875 (b. Jul 16, 1846). She died in 1885. Children: Granville (my GF) , Janetta, Mary, 2nd wife Mary Widdowes - children here - Harvey, Harry, Adelaide Have enjoyed the PACHESTER site for years. Bob Jordan RobtJord@aol.com

I also do look-ups for several counties and am also a list manager for a number of lists. I can certainly share Sandra's frustration in receiving requests for lookups as well as viewing many inadequate queries that are posted to lists. I think there are basic elements that should be included in almost every query and before anyone hits the send button, they should read their query to make sure each element is included: WHO: a specific given name and surname. (Not, "I'm looking for all Smiths") WHAT: what information do you hope to find, e.g., birth, marriage, death, will record, etc. (Not: "anything you have on..." WHEN: give specific dates when known or at least a time frame. WHERE: specify where the individual last lived or in the case of Quakers the monthly meeting they last belonged to. WHY: describe what you hope the information will lead to, e.g. trying to establish parents of the specified individual. I just might have other references that will provide the information you need but I won't check them if you can't tell me what your research objective is. When you reread your query and cannot find at least three of the five elements, you are probably wasting your time by asking the wrong question not to mention wasting the time of the people who you hope will respond to your query. My personal pet peeve: people who request lookups and sign their messages with "Thanks in advance!" How did this phrase originate??? I've only seen it in emails. What happened to common courtesy? If I spend an hour of my time digging out information and references for someone, I would like to know if it was received and whether or not it was helpful. Are we that busy that we cannot spend a few minutes dashing off an email with a word of thanks and perhaps some indication if the data helped them in some way. -- -=CHESKA=- E-mail address: cheska@ix.netcom.com Web site: <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/6630/> Sponsor: ANDIS, BADGLEY, CLAYTON, COOPER, & MILLS surname lists List Manager: QUAKER-ROOTS discussion list RootsWeb: Dedicated to Keeping Access to Online Genealogy Free

There have been a couple of posts re: these names & Kathleen stated " I presently >only list one brother for James: Joseph Bowen who mrd. Sally Nalle......I >don't know if Joseph and Sally had any children - does anyone on this list >know? "...This may be the answer: _Nall Families of America_ p. 47 lists Sally NALLE as d/o Wm. & Ann GATEWOOD NALLE; b. abt 1788-90 in Culpeper Co., VA, married 2 Jan 1816 to Jos. BOWEN. "They apparently left no living children. In his will Joseph Bowen stipulated that after his wife's death, his slaves were to be emancipated, and he left his estate to them. The will was written in 1856 and proved in 1867" Source given: Culpeper Co., Va. WB V p509 ( G.S. Film # 7357 Pt. 7)...Hope this helps...Barbara

I must say, this has been very entertaining. It is unfortunate that when people ask someone to do them a favor, they seem to expect it to be done! I'm sorry, but if you are doing me a favor, I should (and am) willing to provide you with whatever I can so that you can help me. I am one of those people who take "shots in the dark" hoping for a connection. My 3g grandfather, Lewis Christy, from what I have gathered, is the only Christy in the entire world who was named Lewis? Sometimes this is good, but in my case, he just seems to be imaginary. So if I ever send a query without enough, or the correct information, I apologize, as I do get excited when there is a slim possibility of hitting a Bulls-Eye by throwing a dart in the dark. Many of you on the list have helped me not only with information, but with guidance towards different references. To all of you, a great big T H A N K Y O U !!

Karen, In my first email back to someone I also tell tell them what info they need to include when placing ANY query.....this is what often gets me the "nasty" title. I am suppose to be not only a free researcher but a mind reader. And, don't kid yourself that these are merely misguided folk, looking for "the way". The last fool who emailed, Ms. TN, informed me that she is a state coordinator, or some such thing, who most certainly should be well aware of what constitutes a answerable query. Many others simply want someone else to do their work for them, which then, many times, goes unacknowledged. Generally I think that the county help lists are set up pretty well, and many, if not most of the titles, are fairly self explanatory. Unfortunately, just because there are instructions above the names titles is NO guarantee that (1) anyone will read them or (2) anyone will obey them. Last week someone sent me one of those "tell me everything you know about Joe Blow" queries, and after 3 or 4 emails to try to get enough info to help, she sent me what was on the county site, which consisted of my name, full instructions for no blanket lookups, list title in the email, etc, and a list of titles under my name.....and then she said that there was nothing to indicate what I would use to help her, and how was she suppose to know.........so, often we are just dealing with "DUMB", or at least not thinking very logically, which translates into total frustration on this side of the query......I don't have any answers, other than periodically quitting lookups, to get a chance to "rest up" a bit for the next bunch of "fools" that are now, even as we speak, flexing their typing fingers to send off more of those maddening queries! S. -----Original Message----- From: Booboopies@aol.com <Booboopies@aol.com> To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [PACHESTE] Re: Will lookup Chester Co., Pa. >Sandra, > >Believe me, Sandra, I share your frustrations. I get requests like that every single day. I have found it much less aggravating to send a standard "form" response indicating that I cannot do research on Joe Smith if I don't have dates and locations. I also explain the limitations of the books people are hoping will have information. If I get a polite apology in return with the appropriate information, I'll go the extra mile for them. Otherwise, they simply get "Sorry, but I can't help you, try such and such." > >This happened just the other day, and with a simply reply from the requester, I had enough to go on to check sources other than just the original lookup request and got the individual back several generations. Not only that, but I also got a huge thank you and additional information that she subsequently found on her own as a result of the info I had provided. > >Bear in mind that many people making requests haven't got a clue what they're doing and are often taking a shot in the dark. > >In addition, the web pages that show lookup volunteers aren't set up to describe the content and/or dates of the published sources we're using. I've had to disappoint dozens and dozens of people who want information for 19th century church records because the Early Churches of Delaware County/Chester County are primarily Quaker and cover 1681-1800. > >Rather than getting ourselves all hot and bothered, since this appears to be an ongoing source of frustration both to the requestor and the researcher, maybe we should take the initiative and propose that the Rootsweb volunteer pages could be modified to include descriptions of the books offered for look-ups. While it might not eliminate all the problems, it might eliminate enough to make our volunteerism a little less painful. > >Anybody know how we can make such a suggestion? > >Karen Greim Mullian >booboopies@aol.com > >In a message dated Tue, 25 Jul 2000 8:51:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Sandra Ferguson" <ferg@intelos.net> writes: > ><< Did you all hear that noise?......it was me, pulling my hair out! Here >is yet another query I received this afternoon.....her second email >indicated that she felt this was sufficient, that I was nasty and she'd fix >me and take her query elsewhere.........rats, right? > I can't tell you how many emails I have had from other volunteers, >indicating that the same things happen to them, all the time, and how >maddening it is! Too bad there isn't a query form that people could print >out, and follow, when asking for help....I just don't know what makes it so >tough? I suppose if everyone always included, full name, occurrence >interested in(birth, death, marriage, will), geographic location and DATES, >all would be "right with the world"....or at least the world of >volunteering! > S. >, >>I'm ........ from Tn. and could you be so nice as to see if there is a >Round,Rownd, or Rowen-Rowan will listed in early Chester Co. or a Maroe >Will." >>> >> > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >Check out other counties in PA! >http://libertynet.org/~gencap/pacounties.html > > > > > >> > > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from regular mail mode on this list, send a message to: >PACHESTE-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >Put only the word unsubscribe in the body of your message. For digest >mode, send the message to PACHESTE-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > > > > > >

Can check to see if there are any wills for Cox (or spelled Cock) and Eavenson in 1750 to 1800 time frame. Also if there are any Dye names in same time frame. Benjamin Cox (son of Moses and Hannah Eavenson Cox) married Philena Dye about 1798 but need info on there parents. Thanks for your help. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Ferguson" <ferg@intelos.net> To: <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 9:49 AM Subject: [PACHESTE] Hogue > Nothing for a Robert or Margaret Hogue.....but, again, let me > say........PLEASE include some sort of a date...not in this case, but in > MANY, there are more than one with the same name, and without a date to go > on I haven't a CLUE which would be the one you are interested in. If you'd > just think about it for a minute-----what would YOU need to know to look > something up for someone? A name, a place, and a date...right? > Sandra > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan Budensiek <susanb@conc.tds.net> > To: Sandra Ferguson <ferg@intelos.net> > Date: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 11:11 AM > Subject: Re: [PACHESTE] Chester Co Wills > > > >Hello, > >When you have time would you please check for a will of Robert Hogue or his > >widow, Margaret Patterson? > >Thank you!! > >Susan > > > > > > > > ______________________________