Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 MACKELDUFF, SAMUEL. W. Nantmeal. April 3, 1782. June 8, 1782. Provides for wife Mary. To grandson Samuel Mackelduff my plantation in W. Nantmeal containing 180 acres when he is 21. To daughter-in-law Ann Mackelduff £5. To granddaughter Martha Mackelduff £5 at 18. To 2 sons Joseph and Samuel, executors, my mill and plantation in W. Nantmeal containing 280 acres, also all remainder of estate. Wit: Samuel Caruthers, Andrew Barr, Jonathan Coats. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 KENNEDY, THOMAS. W. Nantmeal. January 15, 1789. June 13, 1789. Provides for wife Ann. To son Thomas £26 being the principal of a bond I hold against James Calbreath and all the bonds I hold against him. To daughter Margaret Gillaspy £60 being the principal of a note against James Calbreath. To Thomas and Peggy Crawford, children of William Crawford, £2 each. To Rev. John Culbertson £5. To daughter Elizabeth all my real estate. Remainder to wife and daughter Elizabeth. Executors: Wife Ann, Samuel Mackelduff. Letters to Ann Kennedy. Wit: James Nesbit, Peter Peirsol. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 MACKELDUFF, MARY. W. Nantmeal. October 1, 1789. November 2, 1789. Mentions that her husband Samuel Mackelduff died in June 1782, and that his sons Samuel and Joseph had not paid her the yearly allowance of £20 devised to her. To my son Robert Darlington 1/2 of all due me from my husband's estate. The other half I give my son Robt's 2 sons, William and Thomas Darlington and whatever just demand my son Joseph shall have against son Robert to be first paid. Executors: Levi Griffith, William Darlington. Wit: James Starret, John Hughes. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 MACKELDUFF, SAMUEL. Willistown. April 6, 1797. May 6, 1797. To my mother Ann Scott, her heirs and assigns, 1/2 of my plantation in W. Nantmeal, containing 211 acres, to be laid off the east end thereof. To my sister Martha Barrington the other 1/2 of said plantation. Remainder to sister Martha. Executors: Charles Barrington of Philadelphia, Joseph Hemphill, Jr. No record of letters. Wit: William Garrett, Isaac Garrett. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 MACKELDUFF, JOSEPH. Honeybrook. August 23, 1822. May 6, 1823. Provides for wife Elizabeth. To children of dau. Mary, late wife of William Long, viz: William, Joseph, John H. & Elizabeth A. Long, the plantation in W. Nantmel, lately occupied by William Long, December'd., when the youngest of said children is 21. To son Joseph the land & mills I now occupy and all other estate not otherwise devised; paying the legacies. To dau. Elizabeth, wife of John McClure, $1200, with rev. to her children Joseph and James McClure. Executor: Son Joseph Mackelduff. Wits: Thomas Crosby, Joseph Martin, Parmenas Crow. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 MACKELDUFF, SAMUEL. West Nantmel. March 15, 1825. May 4, 1825. To son Samuel the plantation I now live on in W. Nantmel, described when 21. Rem. of land, viz: the Brandywine tract cont. 182 acres, the Store tract cont. about 55 acres, and the Darlington tract cont. 58 acres in Honeybrook, to be sold when son is 21, and proceeds equally div. among my daus. viz: Mary wife of John Grier, Elizabeth wife of John McClure, Rebecca, Nancy and Mary Ann Mackelduff. Rem. to said 6 children. Executor: Friend Joseph Mackelduff of Honeybrook. Wits: James Ralston, James Lockhart. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 HUNTER, JONATHAN, yeoman, Edgemont. September 18, 1783 - August 5, 1800. Rights in home property on death of brother George to Richard and George HUNTER sons of brother Peter HUNTER, tract of land formerly Daniel REGESTER's to cousin Samuel MICKLEDUFF and his sister Martha wife of Charles BARRINGTON. Bulls Head Tavern on Strawberry Alley, Philadelphia one half ownership to cousins Richard and George HUNTER, Ann wife of John SCOTT, Elizabeth wife of Nathaniel ERWIN, all children of December'd., brother Peter HUNTER; George MATLACK, Jesse MATLACK, Jonathan MATLACK, Hannah wife of Nathan SCHOPPELL (or SCHOPHELL), Ann wife of Richard FAWKES and Mary wife of Jesse SMEDLEY children of sister Mary the wife of Isaiah MATLACK equal tenths. Other half ownership belongs to brother George HUNTER. Land in Appoquinimy, St. George's Hundred, N. Castle County to be sold. Land in Whiteland, Chester County also in borough of Chester to Samuel MUCKELDUF son of Ann wife of John SCOTT. Remainder of property to aforesaid eight cousins. Exrs: Jonathan MATLACK of Goshen and Richard FAWKES of Newtown. Wits: Joseph CHEYNEY, Abel GREEN and Josia LEWIS. #169. ` Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 SCOTT, PROVIDENCE. Birmingham. Yeoman. February 26, 1753. September 26, 1755. D. 18. To wife not named 1/3 of estate. To sister in law Ann Scott £5. Remainder real and personal to be sold and proceeds divided into 3 shares, 2 of which I give to grandson Levi Low when 21 and the other share to son in law Obadiah Bonsall and wife Rebecca and their children. Executor: John Chads. Wit: Amos Harvey, Kezia Harvey, Jonathan Thatcher. * Joseph Davis, Londongrove Meeting, complained of July 5, 1766 as executor of Providence Scott. Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 HUNTER, ELIZABETH. Upper Cheter. September 20, 1774. October 3, 1774. To son William Hunter £4. To daughter Ann Hunter £10. All remainder to son Thomas. Executor: Saml. Withrow of Aston. Wit: Andrew Hunter, James Crage. There is no will on record (or at least on this CD) for Ann Smidley, and nothing for David Lee. The only Mackelduff I find in F & C is Elizabeth, who marriedJohn McClure 2-6-1816, and they had 2 sons; Joseph and James. John was the son of the original emigrant John McClure, who fame from Ireland in 1730 with his 4 brothers. They first came to NC but 3 of the 4 migrated to Uwchlan. A patent was granteed by Thomas and Richard Penn (sons of Wm) to John and James McClure in 1748. Here's where it gets REALLY CONFUSING! John Jr's 1st wife, Elizabeth Mackelduff, died in 1822, and he married, 2nd (ready for this?)....Elizabeth Mackelduff, 1st cousin of his first wife! I found a Thomas, Frances, Thomas and a George (who was a fuller) Smedley, all on the taxable list of Willistown in 1752. Anne Smedley was listed as a landowner in Willistown in 1774. Good luck...I think there are some clues for you there........ Sandra / >Hi Sandra, > >When you gave me the Ann HUNTER SCOTT, John SCOTT information you opened >a lot of other families for me. > >Can you find other information for me? > >Samuel MACKELDUFF Will 6 April 1797. >Martha MACKELDUFF sister of Samuel married to Charles BARRINGTON >Ann SCOTT married to David LEE b abt 1785, he was the JP in Chester Co., >PA >These are the children of Ann HUNTER b abt 1755 > >Ann SMIDLEY will 10 April 1794, Edgemont Twp, was the cousin of Ann >HUNTER b abt 1755. > >Your help is appreciated. Enjoy your trip. Tell us about it when you get >home. > > >

<A HREF="http://www.genealogymagazine.com/datatrace/sompenin17.html">Click here: Some Pennsylvanians in 1772</A> http://www.genealogymagazine.com/datatrace/sompenin17.html Lots of PA. family names. Mary Jane Brightstar

Thank you Karen for the information you had sent regarding the Lilley & Grier families. The information you sent me on the death of Samuel Lilley is something I will most definitely follow up on. You wrote: October 8, 1823 VILLAGE RECORD Death Notice DIED- Of the bilious fever, at his father residence in West Bradford, on the 26th ult. SAMUEL LILLEY, Jr. aged 24 years. The deceased was a young man of amiable and obliging disposition, respected within the circle of his acquaintance, of sober and industrious habits, and one in whom were centred the hopes of indulgent parents. Up to this time I have been looking for a Warren or Walter Lilley as John Smith Lilley's father. Also very helpful, the Rev. N.O. Grier that raised my 3 g-grandfather John Smith Lilley is the Rev. Nathan Grier you wrote about. Nathan Grier's wife was Susanna, daughter of Robert and Margaret Smith. This Robert & Margaret Smith are my 5 g-grandparents. Nathan Grier was my 4 g-grandmother's brother-in-law. Aril 9, 1861 VILLAGE RECORD Biography Rev. NATHAN GRIER, was the son of John and Agnes (Caldwell) Grier, who came to this country from the north of Ireland. He was born, in Bucks county, Pennsylvania, in September, 1760; pursued his preparatory studies under the direction of his brother, Rev. James Grier; graduated at the University of Pennsylvania, in 1783; was licensed by the Presbytery of Philadelphia; and became Pastor of the church of 'Forks of Brandywine,'Chester county, as the successor of Rev. John Carmichael, in 1787. He possessed natural and acquired endowments which fitted him for great usefulness. He had a very commanding voice, and an earnestness and solemnity of manner, which secured attention. He spake as one who felt the weight of ministerial responsibility. He was a man of great firmness of purpose. What he regarded as duty, must be done. In all his relations, he always endeavored to know what was right, and to maintain it with vigor and independence. He was possessed of a social disposition, and in familiar intercourse with his friends he received and imparted much enjoyment. His reputation as an eloquent preacher and a learned divine, brought under his care, an unusual number of students for the ministry There were at that time no theological seminaries, and young men were trained for the ministry under the direction of the older and more celebrated divines. He had under his care at different times, twenty students in Theology, seventeen of whom entered the ministry of the Presbyterian church; one the Episcopal ministry; and two never applied for licensure. Among these students were David McConoughy, D.D., who became President of Washington College, Pa.; Levi Bull, D.D., who became an eminent minister in the Episcopal church; Robert White, Samuel Parke, and the preceptorsons, Robert S. Grier and John N.C. Grier. His wife was Susanna, daughter of Robert and Margaret Smith, by whom he had three daughters and two sons. Two of his daughters became the wives of Rev. Robert White and Rev. Samuel Parke, who had pursued their theological studies under his care. His oldest son, Robert S. Grier, is Pastor of churches in Carlisle Presbytery and the youngest, John N.C. Grier, DD., succeeded his father, as Pastor of Forks of Brandywine, in 1814. Rev. << Nathan Grier>> , died March 30, 1814, in the vigor of life, and in the midst of usefulness. He was Pastor of the Brandywine church, twenty seven years. [NOTAE CESTRIENSES] Thank you sooo much for taking the time to look-up and posting this information!!! Patti Smith, Delaware, OH

You'd have a lot better luck, when placing a query, if you include some dates with your names.....approximate ones are fine, but a timeframe is necessary for folks to have, in order to either look for some sort of a tie-up with your names, or check in books, CDs, etc. -----Original Message----- From: Mike and Betty Sweeney <mjs2@swbell.net> To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, August 19, 2000 5:48 PM Subject: [PACHESTE] Ulrich Family >Hi Listers, >My line is Ulrich Urner, Jacob Urner, Hester Urner, Elizabeth Switzer. All were from Chester Co. Pa. >I could use some help on Jacob, date of birth and death and Maiden name of his wife Ann. Appreciate the help. >Mike Sweeney > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >Visit the US GenWeb Master States Index Page >http://www.usgenweb.org > > > > >

Someone referred me to Carol, who runs the genweb site for one of thse lists, as a possible source for information on good family and group web sites. I don't really know if she knows this info or not. Also, I don't know which list or which genweb site. I clicked directly on the e-mail address that was provided, but my e-mail bounced. Can Carol please get ahold of me. Thanks. Yours,. Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Hi Listers, My line is Ulrich Urner, Jacob Urner, Hester Urner, Elizabeth Switzer. All were from Chester Co. Pa. I could use some help on Jacob, date of birth and death and Maiden name of his wife Ann. Appreciate the help. Mike Sweeney

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Here are some wills from another lookup...maybe someone else will find some clues. S. > >Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 > >DAVIS, DAVID. Uwchlan, yeoman. >March 10, 1738/9. August 9, 1742. B. 111. >To son in law Philip Davis and daughter Elizabeth Davis all estate real >and personal they to provide for wife Margaret and son Thomas Davis >during their lives. To daughters Mary Wadkin and Sarah Phipps £5 each >after wifes decease. Executors: Philip and Elizabeth Davis. >Witnesses: Jonathan Roberts, Awbrey Roberts. > >Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 > >DAVIS, MARY, widow. Charlestown. >September 29, 1753. March 9, 1757. D. 76. >To son John Davis 5 shillings. To son Thomas Davis £6. To Jane, wife >of Thomas David of Charlestown (her daughter) £2.7.6 and to her 7 >children, viz., 6 daughters and 1 son £28 to be divided. To grandson >Samson Davis £6. To great grandson Abner Davis £3. To Sarah and Jacob, >children of John Morgan £1. Remainder to son John Davis, also >Executor. Wit: George George, Susanna Oneal, James Davis. > >Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 > >DAVIS, THOMAS. Charlestown. >April 3, 1760. April 16, 1760. >Provides for wife Jane. To my 4 daughters already married, viz., Mary, >Catharine, Elizabeth and Sarah £2 to be divided, also their shares of >legacies in the will of their grandmother Mary Davis. To daughter Anne >£50.10 to be paid her at time of her marriage. To youngest daughter >Rachel £50.10 at 18. To son David at 21 all my land and plantation >containing 340 acres. Executors: Wife Jane and friend Sampson Davis. >Witnesses: John Davis, Margaret Davis, James Davis. > >Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 > >DAVIS, MARY. Wife of John. Charlestown. >December 24, 1773. May 23, 1774. >Refers to marriage contract dated March 27, 1749 giving right to will >£60. To Rev. Mr. John Davis £4 and to his brother Thomas Davis 20 >shillings. To Mary daughter of David Davis, my stepson, 4 pewter >plates. All remainder of goods and chattels to husband John Davis >during life and then to his son David. Executors: John Davis and son >David. Letters to David, the other being absent. Wit: Nicholas >Pergrin, Benja. Thomas. John Pergrin. > >Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 > >DAVIS, THOMAS. Tredyffrin. >November 17, 1773. August 22, 1774. >"Shortly intending a voyage to the Island of Jamaica in the West >Indies." To my mother Elizabeth Davis plantation whereon I now live in >Tredyffrin during life, at her death to my sister Sidney Davis during >her life and then to her male heir with reversion to her other children, >she, he or they paying to my cousin Mary Hubbert £100 and to my cousin >Mary Cambell £100. Executors: Mother Elizabeth Davis and friend Lewis >Gronow. Wit: Saml. Davis, John Maxwell, Cornelius Dempsey. > >Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 > >DAVIS, JOHN. Coventry. >August 4, 1788. February 5, 1789. >To Thomas Davis, my son-in-law, plantation I now live upon, containing >70 acres, also lot of woodland. The remainder of plantation Hugh Jones >now lives on to my grandchildren, Benjamin, Thomas, Sarah, Margaret and >John Miller, to be sold when Benjamin is 21, children of Thomas Miller >and my daughter Mary. To Jane, daughter of William West, £3. >Executors: Son-in-law Thomas Davis, Jonathan Pugh. Letters to Davis. >Wit: John Pugh, Hugh Jones, James Jones. > >Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 > >DAVIS, THOMAS. Sadsbury. >February 14, 1807: March 3, 1807. >Provides for wife Rachel. Directs sale of land in Little Britain >Township, Lancaster County. To son David, £5. To daughter Dorcas, wife >of George Davies, $50. To daughter Hannah Davies £31 at 18. >To John and Davies Murphy, sons of daughter Debora Murphy, £10 each at >21. To son Thomas 5 s. To sons Samuel and Nathaniel the plantation on >which I live in Sadsbury, containing above 200 acres, and all other >estate. To daughter Hannah, above, half the proceeds of land in Little >Britain. Executors: Rev. Jethro Johnson and David Lightfoot. >Wits.: Thomas Arthur, Joseph Kenison. >Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 > >DAVIS, HANNAH. Vincent. >November 17, 1822. April 7, 1823. >Nuncupative Will. To Grace Davis & her 4 children, viz: David, Becky, >John and Elinor, "all the money that belongs to me and to support >Thomas Davis her husband." >All wearing apparel between James Johns family and Owen Evans family. >Wits: Jonah John, Maria Evans. >Lettes c t a to Jonah John. > >Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 > >BLACK, REBECCA. Widow. Sadsbury. >August 2, 1822. November 14, 1823. >To the children of Frances, wife of Thomas Davis, one-half of my >personal estate, and remaining half to Rebecca, widow of John >Humphrey. Mentions having given a power of attorney to sons Charles G. >and John N. Black to sell and settle the real estate of her late >husband, James Black. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Warren Davis <snd@theriver.com> >To: ferg@wvinter.net <ferg@wvinter.net> >Date: Saturday, August 19, 2000 2:36 PM >Subject: Chester County Lookup > > >>A history of Uwchlan Township 1682-1782 >> >>I am looking for any information on Thomas Davis born in Uwchland, PA in >> >>1758 and married to Maglen Krauser. >> >>Thank you for any assistance you can provide. >> >>Warren Davis >> >> >> >> >

Hi, Patti, Don't know if the follow death notice from the Village Record is of any use to you, but it could be your John Smith Lilley's father. It is the earliest instance of Lilley at Accessible Archives. October 8, 1823 VILLAGE RECORD Death Notice DIED- Of the bilious fever, at his father residence in West Bradford, on the 26th ult. SAMUEL LILLEY, Jr. aged 24 years. The deceased was a young man of amiable and obliging disposition, respected within the circle of his acquaintance, of sober and industrious habits, and one in whom were centred the hopes of indulgent parents. The following information on the Griers will probably only muddy the waters, but it might also give some leads. I don't know if the next article refers to the same Rev. Grief, but it gives his father's name who was also the pastor of Brandywine Manor Presbyterian Church. Is this the same man as N.O. Grier? December 5, 1868 VILLAGE RECORD Biography RESIGNATION OF A VENERABLE PASTOR - Rev. J.N.C. GRIER, D.D., the aged pastor of the Presbyterian Church at Brandywine Manor, Chester county, has recently resigned his charge, on account of infirmity. He has been fifty four years pastor of the Church, having been installed in 1814, succeeding his father, Rev. Nathan Grier, who entered upon the duties of the charge in 1788, and filled the pulpit twenty six years. The congregation, out of esteem for Dr. Grier, refused to join with him in his application to the Presbytery to have the pastoral relation dissolved, but proceeded to call a co-pastor, at the same time settling a life annuity of $500 upon their venerable pastor. The labors of Dr. Grier have been greatly blessed. During his ministry more than twelve hundred persons have been added to the church, and seventeen young men from his congregation have entered the ministry. When he first entered upon the charge, the Manor Church was the only one within a radius of six miles. - Now there are five large and flourishing Presbyterian Churches on the same territory, as follows; Brandywine Manor, Waynesburg, Coatesville, Downingtown and West Nantmeal Out of about four hundred persons who were members when Dr. Grier became pastor, only two are now remaining. It is pleasant to contemplate the record of such a life. (Pottstown Ledger.) Below is some information on the Rev. Nathan Grier gives his wife's name as Susanna, daughter of Robert and Margaret Smith. It appears that he died too early to have been the N.O. Grier who raised John Smith Lilley, but it's worth following up. Aril 9, 1861 VILLAGE RECORD Biography Rev. NATHAN GRIER, was the son of John and Agnes (Caldwell) Grier, who came to this country from the north of Ireland. He was born, in Bucks county, Pennsylvania, in September, 1760; pursued his preparatory studies under the direction of his brother, Rev. James Grier; graduated at the University of Pennsylvania, in 1783; was licensed by the Presbytery of Philadelphia; and became Pastor of the church of 'Forks of Brandywine,'Chester county, as the successor of Rev. John Carmichael, in 1787. He possessed natural and acquired endowments which fitted him for great usefulness. He had a very commanding voice, and an earnestness and solemnity of manner, which secured attention. He spake as one who felt the weight of ministerial responsibility. He was a man of great firmness of purpose. What he regarded as duty, must be done. In all his relations, he always endeavored to know what was right, and to maintain it with vigor and independence. He was possessed of a social disposition, and in familiar intercourse with his friends he received and imparted much enjoyment. His reputation as an eloquent preacher and a learned divine, brought under his care, an unusual number of students for the ministry There were at that time no theological seminaries, and young men were trained for the ministry under the direction of the older and more celebrated divines. He had under his care at different times, twenty students in Theology, seventeen of whom entered the ministry of the Presbyterian church; one the Episcopal ministry; and two never applied for licensure. Among these students were David McConoughy, D.D., who became President of Washington College, Pa.; Levi Bull, D.D., who became an eminent minister in the Episcopal church; Robert White, Samuel Parke, and the preceptorsons, Robert S. Grier and John N.C. Grier. His wife was Susanna, daughter of Robert and Margaret Smith, by whom he had three daughters and two sons. Two of his daughters became the wives of Rev. Robert White and Rev. Samuel Parke, who had pursued their the ical studies under his care. His oldest son, Robert S. Grier, is Pastor of churches in Carlisle Presbytery and the youngest, John N.C. Grier, DD., succeeded his father, as Pastor of Forks of Brandywine, in 1814. Rev. << Nathan Grier>> , died March 30, 1814, in the vigor of life, and in the midst of usefulness. He was Pastor of the Brandywine church, twenty seven years. [NOTAE CESTRIENSES] April 20, 1814 CHESTER & DELAWARE FEDERALIST Death Notice On Thursday the 31st ult. the Reverend << NATHAN GRIER>> , the truly pious and much beloved pastor of the congregation in the Forks of Brandywine, Chester county. October 31, 1814 EDEN STAR Real Estate TO BE SOLD AT PUBLIC SALE, Agreeable to the last Will and Testament of the Rev. << NATHAN GRIER>> , deceased, on Thursday the 17th of November next, at 10 o, A.M. on the premises, the Real Estate of the deceased, being a valuable PLANTATION, containing about 75 acres of Land, situated in the township of Brandywine, and county of Chester, adjoining lands of John Grier, Sen. John Butler, and others - distant from Philadelphia about 36 miles, and one mile from the Manor Meeting House, convenient to places of Worship, of different professions, to Mills, &c Said Farm has on it a large two story Stone House, a Well of good standing Water, with a Pump in it, near the door, a good Stone Barn, Milk House, a Frame Carriage House, an Orchard of excellent Fruit. - Of this Farm about 25 Acres are excellent Woodland - 10 Acres of Timothy Meadow - the remainder judiciously and handsomely divided into small fields, in a high state of cultivation. - Attendance with be given, and conditions made known on the day of Sale, by JAMES RALSTON, and JOSEPH GRIER, Executors. More to think about: Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 SMITH, ROBERT. Uwchlan. May 5, 1800: January 16, 1804. To wife Margaret the plantation I now live on; also household goods &c. during life: after her decease plantation to be sold & money divided among 8 children: Emma Porter & Hannah Grier, £5 each: John Smith, £150: Margaret Kenady, £35: Jonathan, Robert, Joseph & Isaac Smith £100 each. Isaac Smith to have the use of the mills he is now building for 20 years from this time & no longer. Executors: Wife Margaret and son John Smith. Wits.: William Denny, Mark Darrah, David Denny. GRIER, AGNES. Widow of John. New Britain, Bucks Co. December 11, 1804. January 14, 1813. To dau. Martha, widow of John Jamison, $14. To gr.dau. Grizzle wife of Moses Shaw $40. To gr.dau. Fanny, wife of Adam Kerr $14. To gr.dau. Martha, wife of John Kerr $13. To gr.dau. Agnes, wife of William Bryan $13. To gr.dau. Jean Tenbrook, wife of John Long, $13. To Cesar, my son John's black man $30. Rem. in 6 equal parts, five of them to my children, Matthew, John, Joseph, Nathan, and Fanny Ralston, and the rem. share to the children of son James, dec'd., viz: John, Mary, Agnes & Fanny, when 21. Executors: Sons Joseph and Nathan Grier. Wits: John Long, William Long. GRIER, NATHAN. Honeybrook. Minister of the Gospel. March 30, 1814. April 8, 1814. To dau. Martha Grier $20. To dau. Sarah Grier $10. Real & personal estate to be sold & divided among children, viz: Nancy, wife of Rev. Robert White, Robert S., John C., Martha and Sarah Grier, in equal shares. Executors: Bro. Joseph Grier and brother-in-law James Ralston. Wits: Matthew Stanley, James Hindman. GRIER, MATTHEW. Brandywine. May 28, 1818. September 21, 1818. To daus. Hannah Marple & Martha Grier £100 each. To son John E. Grier £100. Remainder of estate, real & personal to wife Catharine, to be disposed of as she sees fit. Executors: Son John E. Grier and son-in-law Jos. Marple. Wits: John N. C. Grier, James Ralston. Clearly, the Smiths and Griers were connected; could there be a generation missing??? Karen Greim Mullian booboopies@aol.com zeke196@juno.com In a message dated Sat, 19 Aug 2000 9:43:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Patti Smith" <psmith11@columbus.rr.com> writes: << Hello List, I have traced my above families back to Chester Co., PA. My 3 g-grandparents were John Smith LILLEY and Amelia Jane GLENN. John Smith LILLEY was born in Chester Co August 11, 1822. His mother was Margaret Vaughn SMITH. It is thought that John Smith Lilley's father may have died young. John was raised by his aunt (sister to Margaret Vaughn SMITH) Agnes SMITH and her husband Rev. N. O. GRIER of the Old Manse Church at Brandywine Manor, Chester Co., Pennsylvania. I have not been able to find a marriage record for Margaret V. SMITH & Unknown LILLEY. Amelia Jane GLENN was born February 18, 1829 in Clermont Co., OH and was the daughter of Alexander GLENN & Martha BARR. Alexander GLENN was born October 26, 1792 in Birmingham Station, Chester Co., PA. Martha BARR's death record states that she was born February 11, 1797 in Washington Co., PA. Alexander GLENN & Martha BARR married in Clermont Co., OH on August 02, 1816. I have information on the the children of John LILLEY & Amelia GLENN and for Alexander GLENN & Martha BARR. My Chester Co. ancestors moved to Clermont Co., OH and then settled in Hardin Co., OH. Does anyone on this list know if there are guardianship records that exist and where I could write to obtain them? I would also like to exchange information with anyone researching the Lilley, Glenn, Smith & Barr surnames. Thanks! Patti Smith, Delaware, OH http://members.xoom.com/pasmith/ancestor.htm ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm >>

Hi List, I responded to a query on the Chester County website and it bounced back. The message was about a year old so I expect the sender has since changed email addresses. The surname is CHRISTY and from the information contained in the message I am certain that there is a connection. If you are "out there" please contact me. Thanks. Laura Wa. State imagew@televar.com

In a message dated 8/19/0 9:55:33 AM, pwright@rochester.rr.com writes: << Reading this message you mention searching bank records. I am not a pro at genealogy and would be interested in how to acquire such information from banks. How do you go about this, what kind of information can you learn? Do all banks give out information or is there a record of some sort to check into? Pauline pwright@rochester.rr.com>> I made NO suggestion to search bank records!! I merely suggested that the check may have been a direct deposited in a bank in Aston! There is a 65 year Privacey Act & I do not think banks will let you search their records. If you are looking for inhertance or an estate, etc., check the following URLs--the first one is for any State in the US & the second one directly to PA! They are a good source of genealogy info, too. Especially yo find a long lost relative! <A HREF="http://unclaimed.org/mainframe.asp?VisitorType=owner">Unclaimed $</A> http://unclaimed.org/mainframe.asp?VisitorType=owner <A HREF="http://www.treasury.state.pa.us/UPAdvertisIntro99.html">Unclaimed $ PA </A> http://www.treasury.state.pa.us/UPAdvertisIntro99.html There is only one bank, that I know of, that has released their records to the public & that is a bank in NYC: Emmigrantion Bank http://www.genexchange.com/esb/index.cfm Home page: <A HREF="http://www.genexchange.com/ny/LI.cfm">NYGenExchange </A> http://www.genexchange.com/ny/LI.cfm What I e-mailed to the following question: HELEN GENEALOGY CAN BE INTERESTING BUT I LACK PATIENTS. GET TIRIED OF AWAYS HITTING DEAD ENDS.I GUESS IT IS BECAUSE I LACK SEARCH SKILLS. BEING A PRO MUST KEEP YOU EVERY BUSY QUICK QUESTION MY MOTHER AND FATHER LIVED AND DIED IN CHESTER BUT IN THE S.S. DEATH INDEX LAST RESIDENCE SHOWS ASTON JUNC. ANY REASON FOR THAT?? CURIOUS. ZAC <<Did they have direct deposit of their S.S. checks in a bank in Aston? Like Sun East? Did they have a relative/friend who lived in Aston & received their checks at their house & took care of their finances for them? These are the only reasons I can think of that would show the last residence as Aston Junc.!>> Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS)

PS - someone wrote me that the photo album category is arranged the same way as the way I and the person who sent me tips have found the filing cabinet. You can have as many photo albums as you like, but when you click on photo album, all of the photos you have displayed anywhere display together! Yup, I'm inclined to conclude that I have the way the filing cabinet is set up about right. The IQ's of the people who designed the site, too. Dora __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Once again, I'm posting this to the larger genealogical lists I belong to as there are very likely to be people on them who know the answer to my question. >From the mail I've gotten back so far, I get teh idea that the problem isn't me; myfamily.com is really badly organized and poorly designed and the support staff are as ditzy as the programmers. One person wrote me that she's done only photographs and never had a problem, and the rest wrote about glaring problems - such as you can only upload SOME photographs, with programming problems finally given as the reason why, and not able to log onto one's site. I didn't get an answer from support, yet, maybe I've scared them into actually reading my question or something, because I told them if I don't get clear answers that provide ways to do such very obvious things, I have a letter to the general manager of myfamily.com and to the customer service manager of myfamilyinc.com, all ready to go with copies of our correspondence. Or else they're too stupid in light of that to answer my questions. It's a very simple matter to answer my questions; I had originally listed five numbered questions, and I said I wanted specific answers to each one. I included them again in my second try. They had only ever read the first question, answered it with a statement that didn't answer the question, and the appended a copy of the instructions of how to use the filing cabinet, which I had already read, which explains mostly that "you can put any kind of file in the file cabinet that you want to!", which had no bearing at all on any of my questions! It is always possible the person at the help desk has no idea what are the answers to my obvious questions that people must ask all the time, so he is looking for someone who can answer them. A similar problem I had is that, nowhere in either instructions on how to join, instructions on how to administer the site, instructions on how to invite members, or help for either of those things, does it explain that each site member gets their own individual user name and password that ensures that each member has only the level of access they're supposed to have and also helps to ensure site confidentiality by preventing a single common password from being given out to the wrong person or becoming public. It says countless times that each person has to enter their username and password to log in, and something about changing their password, but nowhere does it say that each person gets their own user name and password! When I wrote to support, I got a copy of the vague instructions back! It took two days to get an explanation that each person gets their own user name and password; that's of primary concern to anyone who wants to use a private or restricted access group site in teh first place! To not clearly explain that anywhere on the site is the hallmark of stupidity. But someone wrote back complete "tips" on how to use the filing cabinet, that are in complete agreement with the problems I encountered in trying to use the filing cabinet. Whatever the actual answers are, I'm not the only person who thinks they're as I deduced them. Any old files in the file cabinet that belong to any category, instead of either no list, or a list of the categories, appear on the home page, and there is no way to change that or to suppress the printing of any list at all of the contents of the filing cabinet, on the home page. When you click on file cabinet you get a complete list of all files in teh filing cabinet with no breakdown at all, and there is no way to set it up to cause it to display your category or folder names instead, and no way to set it up to display the files by category instead, and you have to click on "categories" to finally see a list of the file folders from which you can select the folder that contains the files you're looking for. There is no stupider a setup on the face of the planet, and it outright won't work for my family for several very good reasons: from the sheer level of confusion, to personality and other differences that govern what files the names of which people want to find staring them in the face. I also correctly figured out that there is no way to directly upload files to teh folder in the filing cabinet where you want them, for instance, by clicking into teh folder you want the files in before you click on upload; you have to first upload the files to teh filing cabinet, and then click on the individual file, realize you are supposed to ignore the "reply" form that you get and click on edit, and then type in all sorts of extraneous and repetitive information like the name of the person who uploaded it, for each file. My father, who has stuff he'd quite possibly like to upload, will never be able to figure it out. Also, noone has the patience. I went through this long procedure with 24 files last night. Also anything but well explained is whether and how to use teh family tree mechanism if family members have a number of different GEDCOM's, with some information the same and some of it different. It also is unclear on whether or not the family tree stores and presents more than four generations of your family tree. It's just another very obvious thing that only someone who is very stupid and extremely ditzy wouldn't have thought to explain clearly on the site. I don't even know if it is worth it to try to drag answers out of support. Can people please tell me what other places exist on the web for group and family web sites with restricted access? Ones where people have uploaded a variety of files and done a number of different functions, and had good experiences. I don't know what to type in on the search engines to find them. Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Hello List, I have traced my above families back to Chester Co., PA. My 3 g-grandparents were John Smith LILLEY and Amelia Jane GLENN. John Smith LILLEY was born in Chester Co. August 11, 1822. His mother was Margaret Vaughn SMITH. It is thought that John Smith Lilley's father may have died young. John was raised by his aunt (sister to Margaret Vaughn SMITH) Agnes SMITH and her husband Rev. N. O. GRIER of the Old Manse Church at Brandywine Manor, Chester Co., Pennsylvania. I have not been able to find a marriage record for Margaret V. SMITH & Unknown LILLEY. Amelia Jane GLENN was born February 18, 1829 in Clermont Co., OH and was the daughter of Alexander GLENN & Martha BARR. Alexander GLENN was born October 26, 1792 in Birmingham Station, Chester Co., PA. Martha BARR's death record states that she was born February 11, 1797 in Washington Co., PA. Alexander GLENN & Martha BARR married in Clermont Co., OH on August 02, 1816. I have information on the the children of John LILLEY & Amelia GLENN and for Alexander GLENN & Martha BARR. My Chester Co. ancestors moved to Clermont Co., OH and then settled in Hardin Co., OH. Does anyone on this list know if there are guardianship records that exist and where I could write to obtain them? I would also like to exchange information with anyone researching the Lilley, Glenn, Smith & Barr surnames. Thanks! Patti Smith, Delaware, OH http://members.xoom.com/pasmith/ancestor.htm

Sandra, One fun place to visit is the Uwchlan Meeting House. It was built in 1756 and is now used for civic or private functions. You can see where it has only been changed a little bit through the years. It is in Lionville. There is a round about way to drive to it, or just park in the lot of the hotel next door and walk. The cemetery in back has a lot of Phipps, but the markers are a little too late to be ancestors. However, some of the ancestors were buried here -- just too soon for the Quakers to be using markers. An address to write for an appointment to visit inside is: P.O. Box 212 Lionville, PA 19353 Lucy

I'm posting this to a couple of the larger lists where there might be people who know the answer to this. My family wanted a private site (they're peculiar), so I got a site at myfamily.com. But I'm having trouble using the filing cabinet. I'm also having trouble getting clear and specific answers out of their support people. I wonder if anyone on these lists has or has had sites at myfamily.com. And generally how well satisfied they've been with myfamily.com. I want to have categories of files in the filing cabinet. You know, like a folder for GEDCOM's, and a folder for recipes, and a folder for articles about what mental illness is, and all of that. I had two problems. First, all of the files are displaying on the site's HOME page - or rather, four of them, but any four. When you click on either filing cabinet or files, you don't get a list of your category folders. You get ALL of the files, listed any old way. One is then supposed to click on either a drop menu to pick a category, without even having foreknowledge of what the categories are, or "categories" to go to a list of categories, and if you then click on a particular category you get a list of the articles in that category. That is going to confuse the bejeezus out of all of my family unless I can find a way to either make it display categories instead of files under filing cabinet on the home page, or directly display categories when you click on filing cabinet, or atleast display the articles organized by category. Second, I had trouble uploading my 24 articles on mental illness to the mental health category. I clicked on that category, and it displayed my empty folder. Then I clicked on upload files or wahtever, and got a form to upload about nine files at a time, which I did. But none of them uploaded into the mental health folder. They uploaded into the all files category. Then I had to individually edit each file, which is a two step process and you have to tell it all sorts of extraneous and repetitive info about each one, like for instance the name of the file owner all over again. Then when you click on mental health folder, those files all appear in that category - but they still also appear in the all files category, and still ALL the files get listed when you click on the filing cabinet instead of the names of the folders, and still just any old files are listed on teh main page. I need to know how to upload my files directly to the folder I want them in - like you do at geocities, and every other site I've ever worked with. Yours, Dora __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

In a message dated 8/18/00 9:38:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, HMWEBBER writes: << Thank you Mary Jane--I live between Rt. 452 & Concord Rd. in Aston Twp., Delaware Co., PA. My in-laws own land that runs from Foulk Rd. in Bethel Twp., to Concord Rd. in Concord Twp., Delaware Co., PA. When you are on Concord Rd. driving towards Baltimore Pike (Rt.1) if you make a left at the end of Concord Rd. onto Rt. 1, you are going >> Hi Helen, The directions I was giving are from The Concordville Mall area, on Concord PIKE. Not Concord Rd. There are two, my mistake. Thank you for your reply. Mary Jane Brightstar

In a message dated 8/18/00 9:37:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gencon@harborside.com writes: << Thank you for the two addresses >> Hi Wilma, Thank you for your kind reply. Mary Jane Brightstar

In a message dated 8/18/0 12:28:06 PM, jeanvanl@grapevine.net writes: << A fellow researcher sent me your name to write to regarding my gg grandmother, Elizabeth Newlin. She was born about 1797 in Radnor, Delaware Co., PA and died about 1860 in Chester Co., PA. She was married to William Smikley on 28 Oct 1830 at St. David's Church in Radnor. I have never been able to find her parents and will appreciate any help you might give me. Thanks. Jean Van Leiden>> Hi Jean, Sorry I can't help you! My main area of research was been on the NEWLINs in Concord Twp., Bethel Twp., & Upper & Lower Chichester Twp. I have a childhood friend named Joyce (Newlin) TURNICKY & I have been trying to find her connection to The NEWLIN Family. There a few NEWLIN Lines in the above twps. that have never been researched. I will forward this to the mailing list of Chester & Delaware Co., PA. hopefully someone may be able to help you--you may want to join both of these mailing lists at: <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm">PA CHESTER Co. Gene.</ A> http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~padelawa/delaware.htm">PA DELAWARE Co. Gene. </A> http://www.rootsweb.com/~padelawa/delaware.htm Happy hunting, Helen (DCHS)

In a message dated 8/18/0 12:45:46 PM, nadin@C2i2.com writes: << Newlin Township, which is the property originally owned by the Newlins, is sort of up in the center of Chester County, and was also in 1715, so I wonder if there wasn't an older Newlin Mill than the one mentioned in Concord Township below. >> The NEWLIN Grist Mill was built between 1683-1690 in Concord Twp., Chester Co. The 1694 tax assessment listed five (5) mills for Chester Co., PA. Chester Mill........................£100 Darby Mill............................£100 Joseph Coebourn Mill......£ 50 Haverford Mill....................£ 20 Concord Mill........................£ 10 (This is the Newlin Grist Mill) Nathaniel NEWLIN in 1724 purchased 7, 700 acres in Chester Co., which was later laid out as Newlin Twp., Chester Co., PA! Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS)