Hi, Listers . . . I subscribe to a free daily email service called EVERTON'S FAMILY HISTORY NEWSLINE Sponsored by: The Genealogical Helper. To subscribe: http://www.everton.com/subscribe I get short but informative article on a different topic of genealogical research each day. Thursday's really took me by surprise! I'd never heard of this and can't say I've ever heard anyone discuss it either so I wanted to share it. Have you ever thought of searching Appellate Court Records? Nor had I! Seems they are printed and arranged chronologically by court, with alphabetic indexes to the parties involved. These records are typically found in legal libraries of law schools, large legal firms, and state governments. Has anyone in your family ever contested a will? Well, this is where that wealth of information will be found. I understand a lot more of these are going online, too. Here are some links to explore further; the last a link to Everton for reprints. United States Appellate Court Records http://www.everton.com/oe3-14/appeal.htm Texas Appellate Court Case Search http://www.info.courts.state.tx.us/appindex/appindex.exe California Appellate Courts Case Information System http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/ Recent articles are available online at http://www.everton.com/FHN/ Email me privately if you would like a forwarded a copy of the entire article. Kathy W-F mailto:woodside1728@uswest.net

Since these gentleman are elected officials, I don't see why not (There are others, check out the Delaware County Home Page for the others): Ron Raymand (a really nice guy and very interest in history, by the way) Mailing Address: 1337 Chester Pike, Sharon Hill, PA, 19079 Curt Weldon (also a really nice guy) curtpa7@hr.house.gov Honorable Curt Weldon 2452 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, D.C. 20515 30 S. Valley Road Paoli, Pennsylvania 19301 Honorable Curt Weldon 1554 Garrett Road Upper Darby, Pennsylvania 19082 If I may offer just a suggestion or two to those considering putting your experiences on paper. Use commonsense when writing your letters. While reasonable access to records is of vital importance to all genealogists, this isn't by any stretch of the imagination the most important thing to the State Assembly or Congress. Be tactful and offer practical solutions for ways to make change possible, rather than just complaining. You get more bees with honey than vinegar; and if the people and their elected representatives can work together to present well-considered alternatives and options to the present situation, we'd have a better chance at opening up those archives. Karen Greim Mullian booboopies@aol.com In a message dated Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:55:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, harv <harv@uswest.net> writes: << How about if you post the names and addresses (email) of the state representative(s) who represent that area on this mail list? I would be happy to drop him/her a line and voice my displeasure. My husband experienced difficulty with this same group when trying to get some info on his family (by mail). I think if all of us wrote a letter to the representative and let them know that the offices are stonewalling citizens who pay their salaries that maybe something might be changed. I'd be happy to be one of the letter writers. >>

I am also happy to make a correction in my interpretation of fact when evidence leaps up and hits me in the head. Dabbs Woodfin of Delaware County Historical Society informs me that DCHS has not sold any artifacts and so far as he knows has not even considered it. The Historical Society of Pennsylvania did indeed make such a move. Dabbs also wrote, "CCHS collections are well funded and accessible because the County has elected to contract with them to operate the archives. DelCo has chosen to manage its own and not to make them available, and of course, DCHS has no part in that." It is indeed unfortunate that Delaware County Court House has chosen to put barriers between the public and public records. Hopefully, this is an attitude that can be altered in the near future. Karen Greim Mullian booboopies@aol.com

In a message dated 8/26/00 7:36:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, HMWEBBER@aol.com writes: > P.S. There are even more stories but I think I got my point across! :) Quite a story....thanks for sharing your experience; how frustrating! It does make me glad all my PA ancestors packed up and left for other parts of the country after the Civil War.....they ended up in Kansas, and the genealogical help you get from local governments in Kansas is to be applauded. Those folks can't do enough for you. A Recorder of Deeds in Harper county even copied and sent me a copy of a 1931 will of the sister of my gt grandfather two months after I had visited there, only because she remembered my card that I left her. Oh, yes, I had found all the family deeds and farm locations, and was allowed to remove the pages and xerox them at the county courthouse. Like you, I could tell more, but mine would be all positive! Ray in Las Vegas, NV

Hi, You cannot believe how bad/hard it is to get records at The Delaware County Court House--please read the following: I have been very upset, about the Delaware Co. Court House Records not being available to & for the public the way they should be! Over the years while instructing my many Genealogy Workshops & at the lecture for the GENEALOGY 1995 Spring Conference, at Neumann College, I was asked to start a petition & go after the county in regard to these records. Just recently, I spoke to a reporter from the Phila. Inquire, hoping he would do a story, he told me, "We have no problems getting records." He did not see anything wrong with the way the records are kept. My response, "I guess not, your a newspaper!" I also, spoke to an attorney & I was told, "You don't want to get anyone mad at you!! :( Has anyone ever tried to get Citizenship Records? You have to go to the Passport Office, talk to the woman there & she in turn contacts a woman at her home! This info is in her basement--the clerk will not give you the woman's name. The woman use to work for the court house & is now retired. What is going to happen to these record when she dies?? Are these records going to disappear like The Adoption Docket & The Murder Index Book & other records? I have been told that they do not want the public to know where these Citizenship Records/Letters of Intent/Immigration Records are--now YOU know--I just TOLD YOU!! :) : About a year ago, I was doing a lot of research on VA Record at the Veterans Affairs Office, in the court house, they were very kind & helpful! The ladies' names are Fran & Angie, one day, one of them said to me, "Helen have you checked the VA records at The Recorder of Deeds Office." I looked at her--thinking has this lady gone a little bananas on me. I was born & raised in Delaware County & have doing research here for about 25 years--I NEVER heard of any veterans' records being in The Recorder of Deeds Office. So I finished what I was doing & went to the deed's office & very nicely asked a clerk if I could see some veterans' records from the Revolutionary War & the Civil War. She told me I could not because they were private records & the public were not allowed to use them. I told her they are not! And rattled on about the Privacy Act (still being very nice) & asked to see her supervisor, & she went to get her! This woman came out of her office, no cubical, screaming at me, telling me WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE! I said very calmly, "I'm doing research on veterans to replace their tombstones at St. Martin's Cem., in Marcus Hook. I was again told that they were private records & I replied, they are not private! This woman is still being very nasty & loud! If I can send to The National Archives, get these records for $10.00 & you have them here, I should get them for free? I'm doing a community project for free--I'm not being paid for this work!! She said, "You mean to tell me that if you want to see my husband's Korean War Record, you think you should be allowed to see it"--I told her, "I do not want to see his record." I know I cannot see veterans' record from World War I up to present time unless I'm a direct descendant of theirs! I was still being very sweet to her & asked for her card--then I asked do I need a court order & walked out. I called Stephen BARRAR & complained-- which did no good. He had a Mr. JUDGE call me & he was of no help either!! The woman's name is Grace RUANE, Chief Deputy, Recorder of Deeds. Does anyone know if there is a State Office that we can get to help us in regard to these RECORDS or do we get up a PETITION?????? Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS) P.S. There are even more stories but I think I got my point across! :) In a message dated 8/26/0 10:03:56 AM, glo777@home.com writes: << Are the Fair Acres holdings accessible? In a word - no. I'm told by the archivist that he does not have any work space available for people who want to come in and do research. The only way I get anywhere with him is to call him and ask for him to check his records. Believe me, this is an issue I've already been over with him. I feel very strongly that these records should be available to the public just as with any other public records. Regards, Gloria >>

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I am a descendant of Nicolas NEWLIN & Elizabeth PAGGOTT through their son Nathaniel. I have some additional information that Sandra Ferguson who is a contributor to this list sent to the list. If you would like to share some information, please feel free to contact me. Paula Picken Descendant Report - 26 Aug 2000 ———————————————————————————————————————— 1. Nicholas NEWLIN & Elizabeth PAGGOTT 1. Nathaniel NEWLIN & Mary MENDNEHALL 1. Jemina NEWLIN & Richard EAVENSON 2. Elizabeth NEWLIN & Ellis LEWIS 3. Nicolas NEWLIN* & Abigail or Edith PYLE 3. Nicolas NEWLIN* & Ann SPEAKMAN 4. Nathaniel NEWLIN Jr. & Jane WOODWARD 1. Rachel NEWLIN & William WALTER 2. Elizabeth NEWLIN 3. Nathaniel NEWLIN III & Esther METCALF 4. Jane NEWLIN & James HILL 5. Joseph NEWLIN & Phebe LEWIS 6. Mary NEWLIN & James MORRISON 7. Martha NEWLIN & Isaac HARVEY 8. Nicholas NEWLIN & Ann WALTER 9. Nathan NEWLIN & Susanna BROWN 5. John NEWLIN & Mary WOODWARD 1. Jane NEWLIN & Samuel SHARPLESS 1. Mary SHARPLESS & Cornelius WOOD 2. John SHARPLESS 3. Lydia SHARPLESS & William RUSSEL 4. Abigail SHARPLESS 5. Samuel SHARPLESS II 6. Thomas SHARPLESS 7. Hannah SHARPLESS & William IDDINGS 8. Susanna SHARPLESS & Jacob TALBOT 9. Phebe SHARPLESS & Peter SMEDLEY 10. Rachel SHARPLESS & Nathaniel WALTER 11. Samuel SHARPLESS 12. Joel SHARPLESS & Hannah MENDENHALL 2. Rebecca NEWLIN 3. Mary NEWLIN 4. John NEWLIN & Mary PYLE 1. Eli NEWLIN & Sarah HADLEY 1. John NEWLIN 2. Mary NEWLIN & Thomas HADLEY 5. Sarah NEWLIN 6. Abigail NEWLIN 7. Nathan[iel] NEWLIN & Jane WOODWARD 6. Kezia NEWLIN & William BAILEY 7. Mary NEWLIN & Richard CLAYTON 2. John NEWLIN 3. Elizabeth NEWLIN 4. Rachel NEWLIN

On 1/28/1763, Griffith Evans of Chester Co., Pa., buys 1003 acres of land in Loudoun Co., Va. from Abraham Barnes of Fairfax Co., Va. This Griffith Evans was a son of John Evans according to John Evans' will in Loudoun Co. in 1766. Does anyone have any information regarding Griffith and/or this John Evans in Chester Co. at about this time?

Please visit our Newlin Web Page at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Farm/4038 (You probably can't get near it on the weekend as Yahoo gets very, very busy and always says "page not found" not "we're too busy".) Am very curious as to your source that Rachel was a daughter - have not run across that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Perdue" <john@macromatic.com> To: <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 7:50 PM Subject: [PACHESTE] Newlin of Chester County, PA > There have been a number of postings for the Newlin family. I have the > following Newlin's in my database and was wondering if anything looked > familiar to anybody: > > Nicholas Newlin b 1620 in Queens County, Ireland d 31 May 1699 probably in > Chester County, PA > Elizabeth Paggott b uk in Queens County, Ireland d 1 February 1716/17 > probably in Chester County, PA > > Children > > Nathaniel > Elizabeth > Rachel > John > > The only child I know anything about is Rachel: b between 1665-1685 in > Chester County, PA, d 1742 Chester County, PA, m Ephriam Jackson 1695 in > Chester County, PA. > > Thanks, John > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > > >

On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:12:33 -0400 "Sandra Ferguson" <ferg@intelos.net> writes: > > >I just don't know what to say....I checked out all the URLS on the > >list today, and couldn't get anything on one of them. I emailed and > >asked what it was...below is my email; this is my whole email....... > > > >http://earlyamerica.com/cgi-local/AT-testsearch.cgi > >What is this one? It comes up "grouped by confidence",and the > >only thing on it is a statement that no documents were found... > > > >I can't imagine that anyone could be upset by this email...... > >what on earth is the problem......how could this email offend anyone? Everybody has their thresholds... I personally think both sides of this argument have valid points, but that's all I'll say about it... Friendly suggestion: when you get a null link like that, try stripping out either the part after the last / or else all but the first part: http://earlyamerica.com (experience will tell you which one) - turns out the above is the link that results when you hit the search button at the bottom of the page... I gave it Iddings and came up empty; I see yesterday was the anniversary of the Hannastown, PA massacre :^( Ron Bauerle

There have been a number of postings for the Newlin family. I have the following Newlin's in my database and was wondering if anything looked familiar to anybody: Nicholas Newlin b 1620 in Queens County, Ireland d 31 May 1699 probably in Chester County, PA Elizabeth Paggott b uk in Queens County, Ireland d 1 February 1716/17 probably in Chester County, PA Children Nathaniel Elizabeth Rachel John The only child I know anything about is Rachel: b between 1665-1685 in Chester County, PA, d 1742 Chester County, PA, m Ephriam Jackson 1695 in Chester County, PA. Thanks, John

Naming patterns were practiced among some Quaker families for generations, while other Quaker families never bothered. I've reviewed dozens and dozens of Quaker families and found that more often than not, there was no specific naming pattern. Karen Greim Mullian booboopies@aol.com In a message dated Fri, 25 Aug 2000 3:35:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Sandra Ferguson" <ferg@intelos.net> writes: << > > I had this in my misc. folder, from another list, but can't vouch for it's >validity. > > >>> > >. At one time, it apparently this was prevalent throughout Great Britain, >including Ireland. It lasted longest, however, in Scotland and among >Scottish families in the United States>> >>> BASIC PATTERN >>> 1st son - father's father >>> 2nd son - mother's father >>> 3rd son - father >>> 4th son - father's oldest brother >>> 5th son - mother's oldest brother >>> >>> 1st daughter - mother's mother >>> 2nd daughter - father's mother >>> 3rd daughter - mother >>> 4th daughter - mother's oldest sister >>> 5th daughter - father's oldest sister >>> >>> Some dispute the #5 choice. They say Dad had dibs on naming all boys, >>> Mom on all girls. So Dad would go through all his brothers and possibly >his grandfathers before Mom's brothers got mentioned. >> >> > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm >>

The murders occurred in April, 1728, when John and Walter Winter killed an Indian and 2 squaws in the upper part of the county. They were arrested, and "could give no better reason for their barbarity than that they felt they were justifiable in killing any of the natives with whom they might meet." This is part of Walter Winter's actual statement; "john Walter at the same time shott one of the Indian Women, and then run up and knocked another Indian woman's brains out, that 2 Indian girls run away....That this examinant with Walter Winter and John Herbert took the corpses of the 2 Indian women and hauled them out of the road and covered them with some leaves." "The Indian man who was killed was an old man called Toka Collie, who was friendly to the colonists. " The 3rd brother was named Morgan Herbert, & was convicted at the same trial as an accessory to the crime, but received a reprieve, and was released by the crown. The daughter of the Walter wives was John Herbert, not Morgan, and he was also convicted of the crime. > To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, August 25, 2000 5:57 PM Subject: [PACHESTE] WINTERS / HERBERT >I know that two WINTERS brothers were hung in Chester Co PA for killing >"hostile" Indians July 1728. My concern is, what happened to their HERBERT >widows. There is apparaently another of the WINTERS brothers, William, who >fled to IRE the day after his two brothers were hung. During the two >brothers execution, both claimed "we did not kill our dearly beloved mother" >.. could it be possible William fled from prosecution and "why" would anyone >had killed this woman? We do not know the HERBERT sisters (WINTERS widows) >given names although they were daughters of Morgan HERBERT. >IF anyone has any information, please let me hear from you. >Regards from southern CA! >Charlene email mihnbu@aol.com > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >To post a message to this list, send your message to >PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >

Can anyone tell me the exact location of the New Garden Quaker graveyard? Also, is there anywhere I can call to learn the location of a grave I know is there? If so, how do I contact them? Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

I know that two WINTERS brothers were hung in Chester Co PA for killing "hostile" Indians July 1728. My concern is, what happened to their HERBERT widows. There is apparaently another of the WINTERS brothers, William, who fled to IRE the day after his two brothers were hung. During the two brothers execution, both claimed "we did not kill our dearly beloved mother" .. could it be possible William fled from prosecution and "why" would anyone had killed this woman? We do not know the HERBERT sisters (WINTERS widows) given names although they were daughters of Morgan HERBERT. IF anyone has any information, please let me hear from you. Regards from southern CA! Charlene email mihnbu@aol.com

I am looking for anyone with connections with the above names RUDULPH, MURRAY, SYNG, NORTON in Chester County. They were in the several state area at various times: PA,NJ,DE, MD. Also have these names who came earlier: WARNER, JACOB, SKUTE. Thanks so much, Carole

Hi One & All, I agree! I agree! I agree! I'm a professional genealogist, when a query is sent to me, I answer it & respond to the person who sent it to me. I also pass it on to the genealogy e-mailing list where I have seen questions asked about the same surnames. This is very helpful to others & a little clue may lead to a big discovery! :) Ex: This one I sent out the other day has gotten 4 responses! VALENTINE-TALLEY-GRUBB-MORTON :) Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS) Hi Guys, I think it is a good idea for Sandra or any other researcher/volunteer to post all answers to queries publicly to this board, assuming there is no invasion of privacy. It's my understanding that this list is archived somewhere, and perhaps a month or a year from now someone may access and search the archives, only to discover that they already have a cousin who was on the Chester board earlier asking the same questions. Every day someone new to on-line genealogy shows up doing searches for their surnames... It's only been in recent times that the light bulb for this has clicked on in my skull. I felt I would clog up a list if I posted a question about an ancestor when only one other person might have had a remote knowledge of them. However, I now understand that in the future someone may search the archives and will connect to me, and that's really the point, isn't it? Sharon No. VA : From: Sandra Ferguson [mailto:ferg@intelos.net] <SNIP>: : Someone has emailed me, asking why I post emails that came to me, : personally. The answer is that I do too many of these lookups to try to : Taylor and alter and edit things, before searching for answers and them : sending them on. I always feel that it's a terrible waste of : information to send it to just one person, and... <SNIP> ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== Visit the PA GenWeb Archives at http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/pafiles.htm

> > I had this in my misc. folder, from another list, but can't vouch for it's >validity. > > >>> > >. At one time, it apparently this was prevalent throughout Great Britain, >including Ireland. It lasted longest, however, in Scotland and among >Scottish families in the United States>> >>> BASIC PATTERN >>> 1st son - father's father >>> 2nd son - mother's father >>> 3rd son - father >>> 4th son - father's oldest brother >>> 5th son - mother's oldest brother >>> >>> 1st daughter - mother's mother >>> 2nd daughter - father's mother >>> 3rd daughter - mother >>> 4th daughter - mother's oldest sister >>> 5th daughter - father's oldest sister >>> >>> Some dispute the #5 choice. They say Dad had dibs on naming all boys, >>> Mom on all girls. So Dad would go through all his brothers and possibly >his grandfathers before Mom's brothers got mentioned. >> >> > >

This is another interesting email from my misc. folder..... I put these 130 items together from many sources and used it as a handout for our local Orange County (NY) Genealogical Society. I was asked by many recipients if the CHART could be forwarded to other lists or used in local newsletters. The answer is yes -- please share this information. Accomptant Accountant Almoner Giver of charity to the needy Amanuensis Secretary or stenographer Artificer A soldier mechanic who does repairs Bailie Bailiff Baxter Baker Bluestocking Female writer Boniface Keeper of an inn Brazier One who works with brass > Brewster Beer manufacturer > Brightsmith Metal Worker > Burgonmaster Mayor > Caulker One who filled up cracks (in ships or windows or seems > to make them watertight by using tar or >oakum-hem fiber produced by taking old ropes apart > Chaisemaker Carriage maker > Chandler Dealer or trader; one who makes or sells candles; > retailer of groceries > Chiffonnier Wig maker > Clark Clerk > Clerk Clergyman, cleric > Clicker The servant of a salesman who stood at the door to > invite customers; one who received the matter in >the galley from the compositors and arranged it in >due form ready for printing; one who makes eyelet >holes in boots using a machine which clicked. > Cohen Priest > Collier Coal miner > Colporteur Peddler of books > Cooper One who makes or repairs vessels made of staves & > hoops, such as casks, barrels, tubs, etc. > Cordwainer Shoemaker, originally any leather worker using leather > from Cordova/Cordoba in Spain > Costermonger Peddler of fruits and vegetables > Crocker Potter > Crowner Coroner > Currier One who dresses the coat of a horse with a currycomb; > one who tanned leather by incorporating oil or grease > Docker Stevedore, dock worker who loads and unloads cargo > Dowser One who finds water using a rod or witching stick > Draper A dealer in dry goods > Drayman One who drives a long strong cart without fixed sides > for carrying heavy loads > Dresser A surgeon's assistant in a hospital > Drover One who drives cattle, sheep, etc. to market; a dealer > in cattle > Duffer Peddler > Factor Agent, commission merchant; one who acts or transacts > business for another; Scottish steward or bailiff of an estate > Farrier A blacksmith, one who shoes horses > Faulkner Falconer > Fell monger One who removes hair or wool from hides in > preparation for leather making > Fletcher One who made bows and arrows > Fuller One who fulls cloth;one who shrinks and thickens woolen > cloth by moistening, heating, and pressing; one who > cleans and finishes cloth > Gaoler A keeper of the goal, a jailer > Glazier Window glassman > Hacker Maker of hoes > Hatcheler One who combed out or carded flax > Haymonger Dealer in hay > Hayward Keeper of fences > Higgler Itinerant peddler > Hillier Roof tiler > Hind A farm laborer > Holster A groom who took care of horses, often at an inn > Hooker Reaper > Hooper One who made hoops for casks and barrels > Huckster Sells small wares > Husbandman A farmer who cultivated the land > Jagger Fish peddler > Journeyman One who had served his apprenticeship and mastered his craft, not bound to serve a master, but hired by the day > Joyner / Joiner A skilled carpenter > Keeler Bargeman > Kempster Wool comber > Lardner Keeper of the cupboard > Lavender Washer woman > Lederer Leather maker > Leech Physician > Longshoreman Stevedore > Lormer Maker of horse gear > Malender Farmer > Maltster Brewer > Manciple A steward > Mason Bricklayer > Mintmaster One who issued local currency > Monger Seller of goods (ale, fish) > Muleskinner Teamster > Neatherder Herds cows > Ordinary Keeper Innkeeper with fixed prices > Pattern Maker A maker of a clog shod with an iron ring. A clog was > a wooden pole with a pattern cut into the end > Peregrinator Itinerant wanderer > Peruker A wig maker > Pettifogger A shyster lawyer > Pigman Crockery dealer > Plumber One who applied sheet lead for roofing and set lead > frames for plain or stained glass windows. > Porter Door keeper > Puddler Wrought iron worker > Quarrier Quarry worker > Rigger Hoist tackle worker > Ripper Seller of fish > Roper Maker of rope or nets > Saddler One who makes, repairs or sells saddles or other > furnishings for horses > Sawbones Physician > Sawyer One who saws; carpenter > Schumacker Shoemaker > Scribler A minor or worthless author > Scrivener Professional or public copyist or writer; notary public > Scrutiner Election judge > Shrieve Sheriff > Slater Roofer > Slopseller Seller of ready-made clothes in a slop shop > Snobscat / Snob One who repaired shoes > Sorter Tailor > Spinster A woman who spins or an unmarried woman > Spurrer Maker of spurs > Squire Country gentleman; farm owner; justice of peace > Stuff gown Junior barrister > Stuff gownsman Junior barrister > Supercargo Officer on merchant ship who is in charge of cargo & > the commercial concerns of the ship. > Tanner One who tans (cures) animal hides into leather > Tapley One who puts the tap in an ale cask > Tasker Reaper > Teamster One who drives a team for hauling > Thatcher Roofer > Tide waiter Customs inspector > Tinker Am itinerant tin pot and pan seller and repairman > Tipstaff Policeman > Travers Toll bridge collection > Tucker Cleaner of cloth goods > Turner A person who turns wood on a lathe into spindles > Victualer A tavern keeper, or one who provides an army, navy, or > ship with food > Vulcan Blacksmith > Wagoner Teamster not for hire > Wainwright Wagon maker > Waiter Customs officer or tide waiter; one who waited on the > tide to collect duty on goods brought in > Waterman Boatman who plies for hire > Webster Operator of looms > Wharfinger Owner of a wharf > Wheelwright One who made or repaired wheels; wheeled carriages,etc. > Whitesmith Tinsmith; worker of iron who finishes or polishes the > work > Whitewing Street sweeper > Whitster Bleach of cloth > Wright Workman, especially a construction worker > Yeoman Farmer who owns his own land >

Naming patterns seem to be used in this example, can anyone tell me who Elizabeth and Sarah would be?? John marries Ann and has 3 children: 1. Thomas (this is John's father) 2. Elizabeth (is this Johns mother or Anns?) 3. Ann, named for Ann Then Ann dies and John marries Margaret and has 3 children: 1. John, named for John 2. Margaret, named for Margaret 3. Sarah (who is she? John's mother or Margaret's?) Any help appreciated, thanks Carol