PLEASE TAKE NOTE: The use of the term REDSKIN is flammatory to anyone of Native American Ancestry.It is no different then calling an African American person the N word. I kindly ask anyone referring to me, to call me by my given name of Mary Jane or BrightStar. But if you feel you must call me by my screen name, it is Redski not Redskin. I don't know how my post got on three list. I only belong to two of them. So you may want to forward this explaination of past conversation reguarding, my personal feelings on Historical Societys. DORA- I'm replying to Helen's concern about something REDSKIN wrote in defense of county historical societies. I don't know if Helen rightly thinks that REDSKIN was talking about her - in fact, I thought she was both talking about me, and talking to me. Mary Jane-- Point # 1- I wrote in defense of Historical Societys as a whole and Libarians as well. This is my feeling about it. It was not in confronting way.And it had nothing to do with your post or anything Helen thought.. Dora-- I also thought it might just be something the person who posted that note just happened to feel strongly about. In fact, I didn't realize she'd posted it to the list, thought she'd just sent it to me, now, let's hope when I check out what she wrote about that I thought that, we don't all burst out laughing, I'm so out of it. Mary Jane # 2-- I never sent this to you Dora. I sent this to the list and to Helen. And your right, this is how I feel about any agency that protects and persearves my family history or our Historical sites. Dora-- She wrote something about giving me more than what I had asked or something. I wrote back, alright, a woman after my own heart! I agree that MOST county historical societies do a really great job... Mary Jane #3 You asked the question, "How is Judge Kelly involved in this?" My reply was: In a message dated 8/28/00 8:59:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tiggernut_48@yahoo.com writes: << I missed it -how is Judge Kelly involved in this? >> Hi Dora, I was inquiring about Judge Kelly. I just wanted to know if he was still at Media courthhouse, as a judge. I have known him for many years, and thought I would give his office a call.He has alaways cared about Delaware Co. and it's residents.And he is a great person. If my memory serves me right, their is almost no important position in Del. Co. that you don't need pull to get.Somtimes you have to go to someone with more pull in the Co., to get anything done. And even more so, if the person is a county worker.I think you guys on the list have great ideas and I am ready to follow your lead.I would be more then willing to give him a call, and I think I will. I will at least ask him who he thinks the best person to complain about all of this is.I also think that we need to stand behind our Historical Societys. I have no trouble from those folks. And they work very hard at what they do. Same with some of the small town libarians. I love DELCO, but honestly, some of those at Media Courthouse, act like your taking money from their pockets and their family history.I suppose what I fear most is Big Goverment getting involved with our family geneology. Down here in Florida, were I am now, some are really ticked off that their family records can be looked at.And if Congress had it's way, we would be paying 5cents for every piece of e-mail we send.Anyway, I know I answered a bit more then your question, but this is how I feel about it. Mary Jane Bright Star FOR THE RECORD: I support DELCO and all researchers in their quest for public family info, as mentioned in the rules of the FOIA.

Hi, folks . . . These abbreviation definitions were recently posted on the Erie County List courtesy of Nancy M. Applebee Meyers of Lorain, OH. I thought some of you might like to squirrel it away in your reference folders, too, since I've seen many requests posted on List asking for help on some of these vary letter translations. ========================================================= These are some commonly seen abbreviations of religious, military, fraternal & charitable organizations seen on antique tombstones AF&AM (Masonic) AOF Ancient Order Of Foresters AOH Ancient Order Of Hibernians AOKMC Ancient Order Of Knights of Mystic Chain AOUW Ancient Order Of United Workmen ALOH American Legion of Honor AUM Ancient Order of Mysteries- Masonic Order BPOE Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks BPOEW Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks of the World CK of A Catholic Knights of America COOF Catholic Order of Foresters CTAS Catholic Total Abstinence Society CBKA Commander Benevolent Knights Association CCTAS Crusaders-Catholic Total Abstinence Society CSA Confederate States Army DAR Daughters of American Revolution EBA Emerald Beneficial Association FAA Free and Accepted Americans F&AM - Free and Accepted Masons. FOE Fraternal Order of Eagles GALSTPTR German American Legion of St. Peter GAR Grand Army of the Republic GLAUM Grand Lodge Ancient Order of Mysteries-Masonic Order GUOOF Grand United Order of Odd Fellows IHSV Red Cross of Constantine IOI Independent Order of Immaculates IOKP Independent Order of Knights of Pythias IOOF Independent Order of Odd Fellows ISH Independent Sons of Honor IORM Improved Order of Redmen IWW Industrial Workers of the World JAOUW Junior Order-Ancient Order of United Workmen JOUAM Junior Order-Order of United American Mechanics KGL Knight Grand Legion KM Knights Militant KC Knights of Columbus K of C Knights of Columbus K of FM Knights of Father Matthew KFM Knights of Father Matthew K of H Knights of Honor K of L Knights of Loyola K M Knights of Malta (Masonic) KMC Knights of the Mystic Chain KPC Knights of Peter Claver KP Knights of Pythias K of P Knights of Pythias KSC Knights of St. Columbkille KG Knights of St. George KSTG Knights of St. George KSTI Knights of St. Ignatius K of SJ Knights of St. John KSTJ Knights of St. Joseph KSL Knights of St. Lawrence KSTM Knights of St. Martin K of STP Knights of St. Patrick KSTP Knights of St. Paul KSTP Knights of St. Peter KSTT Knights of St. Thomas K of STW Knights of St. Wenceslas KT Knights of Tabor K of T Knights of Tabor KWM Knights of Wise Men KGE Knights of Golden Eagle KHC Knights of Holy Cross KKK Knights of Klu-Klux Klan KOTM Knights of Macabees KSF Knights of Sherwood Forest KT Knights Templars (Masonic) LAOH Ladies Ancient Order of Hibernians LK of A Loyal Knights of America LOM Loyal Order of the M.O.O.S.E. MOLLUS Military Order of the Loyal Legion of the United States MRA Royal Arcanum MWA Modern Woodsmen of America NOK New Order Knights (see KKK) OES Order of the Eastern Star OUAM Order of United American Mechanics PM Patriarchs Militant (Independent Order of Odd Fellows) POSA Patriotic Order of the Sons of America RMOKHSJ The Religious and Military Order of Knights of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem RSTV Rite of St. Vaclara RSTV Rite of ST. Vita RK Roman Knights SR Scottish Rite (Masonic Order) RAM Royal Arch Masons RO-AUM Rosicrucian Order (Masonic) SBCL Saint Bonifazius Catholic Union SBL Society B. Lafayette SCV Sons of the Confederate Veterans SAR Sons of the American Revolution SNA-AUM Shrine of North America (Masonic) SV Sons of Veterans TH Temple of Honor-Independent Order of Odd Fellows UCV United Confederate Veterans UDC United Daughters of the Confederacy VFW Veterans of Foreign Wars -- Kathy W-F mailto:woodside1728@uswest.net

Fremont is in the southwestern part of Chester County, PA about 2 miles from Nottingham. Alice Dora Smith wrote: > Neither Yahoo maps, Anywho map feature, nor NGIS > geographical information server can find Fremont, > PA - though there seem to be enough web sites > that mention the place. None of them look likely > to tell wehre the place is. > > Yours, > Dora > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm

In a message dated 08/29/2000 2:11:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nadin@C2i2.com writes: << Hi, all you wonderfully helpful folks. I have just learned that the father of my Jane White Millikan of North Carolina (her husband was born 1720) was probably Alexander White of Chester County, Pennsylvania. Any information out there on Alexander White who would have had children born in the early 1700's? >> Hi, Nadine, The will abstract below might be helpful to you. The name Jean and Jane appear to have been interchangeable in the 18th century. This Jean/Jane was Alexander White's wife. Do you think she might have married Mr. Millikan and gone south? Karen Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1834 (FTM CD#209) Chester County Will Abstracts WHITE, ALEXANDER. Farmer. [London Britain]. May 10, 1741. May 27, 1743. B. 138. To wife Jean 1/2 of all moveable estate. To daughter Susana White 5 shillings she having got her part when married. To daughter Agnes Cross 5 shillings. To son Alexander 5 shillings and to his son Joseph £4. To daughter Ilender Gutey 5 shillings and to her son Alexander Gutey £3. To son John the plantation from the main road north to Christiana. To daughter Mary Ranken 5 shillings and to her son Alexander 100 acres of land called Plom Pount Fork. To daughter Elizabeth Jamson 5 shillings. To daughter Martha Steel 5 shillings "having got her part before only 8 acres about your house." To son David the plantation I now live upon from the main road south only 8 acres belonging to son in law James Steels house, also the plantation called Raccoon Point. Executrix: wife Jane. Witnesses: James Steel, Moses Alexander, Moses Steel. Karen Greim Mullian booboopies@aol.com zeke196@juno.com karenmullian.homepage.com pastmasters.homepage.com norwoodhistoricalsociety.hompage.com flax4sale.homepage.com

Someone cleared up Fremont for us - partway. It was mispelled. It is Freemont. A populated place with 400 people in Chester County. OK. Where in Chester County? Dora __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Can anyone give me a clue to the location of this town from the early 1700's in Middletown township? Would appreciate your help! Willie Krug

Someone wrote me that Fremont no longer exists - but the road is still in West Nottingham. OK, we have ze clue why they guy posted to the Chester County list. But where was Fremont located? Yours, Dora __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Neither Yahoo maps, Anywho map feature, nor NGIS geographical information server can find Fremont, PA - though there seem to be enough web sites that mention the place. None of them look likely to tell wehre the place is. Yours, Dora __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Yahoo map can't find Fremont; where is it, and is this the right way to spell it? Dora __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

One strictly loose guess - Blue Peak? Blow Peak? There is this big ridge through southeastern Pennsylvania called The Blue Mountain, might be nicknamed Blue Ridge, I'm a little unclear on that part. Dora __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

The records from this institution are held by: John Peterson Records Manager and Archivist Silver Springs – Martin Luther School and Lutheran Home at Germantown Foundation 512 W. Township Line Road Plymouth Meeting, PA 19462-1099 If you believe an ancestor lived in this orphanage, you may write for their records. Be sure to include your email address. Be sure to state the reason for your inquiry and your relationship to the referenced person. I received a reply (via email) in about 3 weeks.

B could be P, F, or V. One possibility is that Blue Pig is some transliteration of a Pennsylvania Dutch name. In that case, you need to know something of German phonetics. B could conceivably be P or F. Ue could be u, or o. Pronounced the complete range of ways those two letters are pronounced. final g could be c, k, ck, ch, or x. "i" could be e, or "eu" often pronounced like in boy. Also, there could well have been a weak consonent in this name somewhere, like a "r", an "h", or a "y". Or an "l". Best bet is still to write out where we know these people were - and consult a gazeteer. Yours, Dora --- Frank Patnaude <Patnaude@Bellatlantic.net> wrote: > Hello List, > > I just came back from the archives in Chester > County, PA and wow what a > place. My hats off to PA and the great sources > they provide. > > I have a gggrandmother who was born and died in > "Blue Pig", PA. As far as > we know she was married at the home of her > father, Barkley Clay Cooper in > Fremont PA. Anyone have any ideas on the name, > Blue Pig. > > Frank, > Odenton, MD > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Stop by our associated website for Chester > County Genealogy at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

One possibility is that Blue Pig is some transliteration of a Pennsylvania Dutch name. In that case, you need to know something of German phonetics. B could conceivably be P or F. Ue could be u, or o. Pronounced the complete range of ways those two letters are pronounced. final g could be c, k, ck, ch, or x. "i" could be e, or "eu" often pronounced like in boy. Also, there could well have been a weak consonent in this name somewhere, like a "r", an "h", or a "y". Or an "l". Best bet is still to write out where we know these people were - and consult a gazeteer. Yours, Dora --- Frank Patnaude <Patnaude@Bellatlantic.net> wrote: > Hello List, > > I just came back from the archives in Chester > County, PA and wow what a > place. My hats off to PA and the great sources > they provide. > > I have a gggrandmother who was born and died in > "Blue Pig", PA. As far as > we know she was married at the home of her > father, Barkley Clay Cooper in > Fremont PA. Anyone have any ideas on the name, > Blue Pig. > > Frank, > Odenton, MD > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Stop by our associated website for Chester > County Genealogy at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Frank: This one's got my imagination, now. I almost said, but I just saw one of those gallop by! We could use more clues. From where exactly did you hear or see the name "Blue Pig"? If it was written, exactly what did it say? Was it written, or did someone in your family say something that sounded like "Blue Pig"? When was she born, when did she marry, and when did she die? And in what county is Fremont, Pennsylvania? Do you happen to know where Fremont Cooper was from, and where he went? Yours, Dora Smith --- Frank Patnaude <Patnaude@Bellatlantic.net> wrote: > Hello List, > > I just came back from the archives in Chester > County, PA and wow what a > place. My hats off to PA and the great sources > they provide. > > I have a gggrandmother who was born and died in > "Blue Pig", PA. As far as > we know she was married at the home of her > father, Barkley Clay Cooper in > Fremont PA. Anyone have any ideas on the name, > Blue Pig. > > Frank, > Odenton, MD > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Stop by our associated website for Chester > County Genealogy at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Well, I got the REDSKIN was writing to me part right. If she posted to three lists, I'm sure I deleted the repetitive messages. Since she addressed her note to me, it isn't unlikely that she was commenting on what I posted about my experience in Mifflin County. Since I always delete duplicate postings, I wouldn't know whether DENEWCAS list has previously been in on this thread or not - and I apologize if they weren't. Most of this entire discussion has taken place on three lists, and it looks as though Helen replied to all of them. Dora --- REDSKI9136@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/28/00 8:59:16 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > tiggernut_48@yahoo.com writes: > > << I missed it -how is Judge Kelly involved in > this? >> > > Hi Dora, > > I was inquiring about Judge Kelly. I > just wanted to know if he was > still at Media courthhouse, as a judge. ... .I also think that we need to stand behind > our Historical Societys. I have > no trouble from those folks. And they work very > hard at what they do. Same > with some of the small town libarians. I love > DELCO, but honestly, some of > those at Media Courthouse, act like your taking > money from their pockets and > their family history.I suppose what I fear most > is Big Goverment getting > involved with our family geneology. > Down here in Florida, were I am now, some are > really ticked off that their > family records can be looked at.And if Congress > had it's way, we would be > paying 5cents for every piece of e-mail we > send.Anyway, I know I answered a > bit more then your question, but this is how I > feel about it. > > > Mary Jane > > Bright Star > > FOR THE RECORD: I support DELCO and all > researchers in their quest for > public family info, as mentioned in the rules > of the FOIA. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Hey, folks, I only have bipolar disorder - but I myself thought the comment about standing behind historical societies was possibly in reference to my complaint about the behavior of people connected to the Historical Society in Mifflin County when it comes to lack of access to court records there! (grin) I also thought it might just be something the person who posted that note just happened to feel strongly about. In fact, I didn't realize she'd posted it to the list, thought she'd just sent it to me, now, let's hope when I check out what she wrote about that I thought that, we don't all burst out laughing, I'm so out of it. She wrote something about giving me more than what I had asked or something. I wrote back, alright, a woman after my own heart! I agree that MOST county historical societies do a really great job... Yours, Dora --- HMWEBBER@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/28/0 11:41:26 PM, > REDSKI9136@aol.com writes: > > << .I also think that we need to stand behind > our Historical Societys. >> > > The Delaware County Historical Society has > nothing to do with this!!! > > It is the new founded Delaware County > Genealogical Society--people > please take note to this!!! Please give credit > where credit is do!! > > Happy hunting, Helen > Founder & President of > DCGS > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Stop by our associated website for Chester > County Genealogy at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Ian: Before you go to all this trouble, it isn't clear why you need someone to look this stuff up for you? In what time period are these marriages and deaths? If before 1885, then yup, you need lookups. And you might find the information that way. If since 1890 something, you get the info by writing to Vital Records at New Castle, Pennsylvania (not Delaware). I don't know the address off hand, but someone will chip it in. Unless they lived in any of certain large cities, in which case you would write to the city. Examples are Harrisburg, Pittsburgh, and Philadelphia. Yours, Dora Smith --- SirIanOfCa@aol.com wrote: > Is there anyone on the list that lives in the > Chester and Delaware County > area? > > I am looking for someone to look up a few > marriages and deaths for me and see > what documentation they may find.Needless to > say I am not asking anyone to do > this for free I will more than gladly pay them > and cover all expenses such as > copies fees and gas.My research centers around > 3 individuals and basically I > would be looking for birth marriage and death > info on those 3 people. > > If there is no one on the list that could > undertake the task could anyone > recommend a Proffessional genealogist they have > had personal experience of. > > In the not too distant future I shall be moving > back to the Wilmington > Delaware area until them I am stuck doing > everything long distance from here > in CA. > > > Thanks Ian. > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Stop by our associated website for Chester > County Genealogy at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

About adoption in Delaware County: I would address a letter to the President Judge Joseph F. BATTLE, to get a court-order to open these adoption records. I would send the letter registered or certified before you make a trip for the adoption records. If you are the birth parent or the child that has been adopted, you may want to fill out a form in the Register of Wills Office, giving them permission to give out information on you to who ever is interested in that info. I understand there is another way to find out info, other than going through the adoption records at the court house, but I have not found out how this side track method works yet! You may also want to check out: <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/rombergers/searchlist.html">PA Adoption</A> http://members.tripod.com/rombergers/searchlist.html If you are a birthparent looking for a child you put up for adoption & you do not know his/her/their name(s)--you use their birthdate to find them. I understand you can have a driver's license search done on that birthdate & whether male or female--this will narrow your search down. It will give you a list of those born on that date in that State I have never used the following but I came across it while surfing on the web. <A HREF="http://locateme.com/step1.htm">$50.00 Person Locator</A> http://locateme.com/step1.htm If you think the child/parent may have graduated from a certain high school, contact others who may have graduated with them & ask them if they know a boy or girl in their graduating class who talked about being adopted or had a certain birthday. Some yearbooks give out the students birthdays. And do the same to find a birthparent, ask did any girls have to leave school because they were pregnant? <A HREF="http://www.highschoolalumni.com/">High School Alumni- </A> http://www.highschoolalumni.com/ <A HREF="http://www.classmates.com/index.tf?">High School ClassMates.Com - Welcome to ClassMates</A> http://www.classmates.com/index.tf? <A HREF="http://www.gradfinder.com/">High School Gradfinder - Keeping people in touch around the…</A> http://www.gradfinder.com/ If you make a phone call to the person you are looking for: mother for daughter or daughter for mother you will be able to tell right away if it is your mother or if it is your daughter by her voice!! Think of what I'm saying here, when you call someone's house, don't you have to listen closely to see if it is the mother or daughter, (father or son) ??? :) This works for fathers & sons, too. Now you do have to consider smoking, old age & other factors that will change the voice to some degree! Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS)

In a message dated 8/29/00 8:19:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, HMWEBBER@aol.com writes: << My plans are, to have people online who can give advice, guidance, direction & help to anyone doing genealogy research in Delaware Co., PA. Over the years I have enjoyed giving advice but I'm now finding most of my time is spent doing this. Hence, I would like to compile a list of people who would be interested in being a member/advisor of the society by having an area of expertise &/or giving out genealogy advice on research in Delaware Co., PA. I for one, do not know everything there is to know about genealogy &/or Delaware Co. I would like to bring the many genealogist of Delaware County together collectively-- more heads are better than one, especially mine! :) >> Hi Helen, Are you only looking for folks who live in DELCO now? Or are you looking for help from others as well? I am currently in the first stages of the "Freedmen's Prodject". This prodject deals with Native American's, former slaves, and their family applications being transcribed from micro fishe into a large database.I have already been told to expect many to inquire about their ancestry.I would be more then happy, to help any resident of DELCO, or otherwise find these roots, if they exist.I currently have access to the DAWES and WALLACE rolls. As soon as grant appoval is given by NARA, I will get my reader and micro-fishe rolls.I am already helping others find their ancestry, and the one's I have not found, I put on a "LOOK FOR" list. Then at a later date, as more info comes in, I will re- research their family names. If I can be of any help, please let me know. I have saw your resume on another post this morning, and compliment you on your achivements in geneology.You have surely put alot into the field. I hope someday, to be able to do the same. Mary Jane Bright Star

Hello List, I just came back from the archives in Chester County, PA and wow what a place. My hats off to PA and the great sources they provide. I have a gggrandmother who was born and died in "Blue Pig", PA. As far as we know she was married at the home of her father, Barkley Clay Cooper in Fremont PA. Anyone have any ideas on the name, Blue Pig. Frank, Odenton, MD