Embreeville State Mental Hospital still in existence East Fallowfield Twp I believe located on Strasburg Road just west of Romansville and east of West Chester next to the PA State Police barracks --Jeanne Eckman's Computer Services AVON Independent Sales Rep. Quality service at affordable prices. Would YOU like to make $$$$ in your SPARE time? Service, customized sales, web hosting. Looking for a new representative? www.fixit1.com Need a fresh fundraiser? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora Smith" <tiggernut_48@yahoo.com> To: <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 8:57 PM Subject: [PACHESTE] where local insane asylums and how to check on if my family were there > I would like to check on if members of several of > my London Britain and New Garden, Chester County > and White Clay Creek, New Castle County families > had any members ever put in local insane asylums. > I have several families who clearly carried mood > disorders, of whom many members are not accounted > for. Were there any insane asylums in the area, > what were their names, and how would I check to > see if my people were there? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Visit the US GenWeb Master States Index Page > http://www.usgenweb.org > > > >

You may want to find some not so local my ggrandfather lived in Malvern He had epilepsy he spend the last 20 years of his life in Delaware state hosp where he died The family wrote him off like he was never there I guess in the last 1800 people who took seizures were thought to be possessed His Wife Died 11 years before him and on her death certificate it states she was a widow My Dad said his father never talked about his father and that was why he never knew him he was 4 when his dad got sick I think Mental Illness or what was though to be mental Illness was not Looked opon very differently back then my Grandfather took them too but when he did they knew more about it them Dotty Davis Dora Smith wrote: > > I would like to check on if members of several of > my London Britain and New Garden, Chester County > and White Clay Creek, New Castle County families > had any members ever put in local insane asylums. > I have several families who clearly carried mood > disorders, of whom many members are not accounted > for. Were there any insane asylums in the area, > what were their names, and how would I check to > see if my people were there? > > Yours, > Dora Smith > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Visit the US GenWeb Master States Index Page > http://www.usgenweb.org -- mailto:mouserwitz@mediaone.net http://home.att.net/~mouserwitz ICQ13502416

Dora, Freemont Cemetery still exist. If you take Rt.1 south To Ridge Rd and turn right onto Ridge follow it till stop sign and then make a right. This Road will take you right in front of the church and cemetery. It is about one mile from the second right hand turn. I also have family buried there. Just let me know if I can help out with anything. I will be going there sometime this weekend and can look for what you need. Wanda Casella >From: Dora Smith <tiggernut_48@yahoo.com> >To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PACHESTE] Fremont no longer exists, road in W Nottingham, OK, >where was the town? >Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:13:56 -0700 (PDT) > >Someone wrote me that Fremont no longer exists - >but the road is still in West Nottingham. OK, we >have ze clue why they guy posted to the Chester >County list. But where was Fremont located? > >Yours, >Dora > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from regular mail mode on this list, send a message to: >PACHESTE-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >Put only the word unsubscribe in the body of your message. For digest >mode, send the message to PACHESTE-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

Helen, If we get a letter, DEFINITELY put it on list. I'll be happy to help. Barbara brebau@aol.com

I believe the town of Intercourse was originally named Cross Keys - wonder why they changed it????!! -----Original Message----- From: Lisa M Raker <raker@UDel.Edu> To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, August 31, 2000 2:25 PM Subject: RE: [PACHESTE] Re:IS EVERYTHING BLUE IN WINTER THERE? >Blue Ball, PA is a town near Intercourse, Paradise, etc. Makes you wonder >what those Amish were thinking when they named the towns :) Love it up >there! > >Lisa Marie Raker >mailto:raker@udel.edu >Who watches the BLUE ROCKS and works for the BLUE HEN (UofD). > > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from regular mail mode on this list, send a message to: >PACHESTE-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >Put only the word unsubscribe in the body of your message. For digest >mode, send the message to PACHESTE-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > > > > >

Where is Freemont Methodist Episcopal Church and Cemetery? I found Union Church, not Freemont ME Church and Cemetery yet. Dora __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

http://www.gonorthwest.com/Visitor/maps_travel.htm I wonder if these people would have any idea what and where Blue Pig was? Blue Pig Antiques & Collectables 3028 Richmond St., Philadelphia, PA 19134-5807 (215) 739-9559 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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Is there any chance Blue Pig was something that evolved from an Indian name? Dora __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

I got more information on Blue Pig. Could help narrow it down. The woman died in March, 1902, and "death records at the Chester County archives" say she was born and died in Blue Pig. Several others were listed as having been born and died in Blue Pig, too. She is buried in Fremont ME Church, Fremont, PA. She was Eliza Jane Cooper Johnson, and her parents were Barkley Clay Cooper and Eleanor Jane Phillips. She was born in 1869. She supposedly was married in their home. "Their homestead was not too far from the Fremont ME Church and Cemetery." "The Blue Pig stumped the women at the Chester Archives. They are very curious as to the location of blue pig. " The librarians at the Chester County Historical Society, who aren't the same people as those at Chester County Archives, were the only living people who knew what was Wesley Chapel; it was Flint Hill Methodist Church, in Franklin township; it may have been called Wesley Chapel for only two years of its existence. If they weren't asked already, I'd call them up. I'd ask at the Cecil County Historical Society, too. They have a web site somewhere. There seems to be agreement it could have been some place or tavern nearby. Someone else will have to look up taverns. If I can find that on line interactive topographical map system that someone put me onto when I was looking for the Blue Mountain, I can search the area. It would opnly have modern names, though. Someone already tried old gazeteers. I would call Chester County Archives, and get tehm to check the tax records for West Nottingham Township for 1902. The Blue Pig, if it were a tavern or such, may show up on them. Also, I'd ask in Chester County Historical Society for any directory of local businesses for the period. Then I'd repeat this for the township immediately south in Cecil County, Maryland, at the Cecil County Historical Society; they are as well organized or more so than Chester County's. There you can get detailed property maps, fire insurer's maps, everything. For a finite price. At Chester County, the Smith clippings folder would cost me $162.00! I'd also check on any other property her father owned in Chester County - and also in Cecil County. And when exactly he bought and sold it. Also, if she died at Blue Pig, and she was born there, then she may have lived much of her adult life there - so I'd also find out exactly where was ALL of the land that she and her husband owned, in both Chester and Cecil Counties. Unless it was the local Blue Pig Hospital! (chuckle) Rats, I thought it was just exactly the sort of word puzzle I was up to the other night... Still might not hurt to look for things that could be transliterated as Blue Pig, like Blue Peak, and Blooping. Maybe it goes with Intercourse! Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

My gmother's sister Ida Mackey (Nee Doyle) from Delta in York co. Daughter of Edw. Doyle and sister to my gmother Sarah Doyle Manning and to Edward Doyle. Lived in Westchester Pa. in the 1930's with her children:Margaret, Paul, Edward, William and another son who's nameis unknown. Any input would be appreciated. Bob Chevreuil (N.J.)

WHA-A-T?! Was ALL that was wrong with him epilepsy? Didn't he have to be atleast shown incompetent? Well, I did have a great uncle who had that. I think the family concealed it - but the state medical society told me what little they had been given about him. He was a doctor. Whre is the Delaware State Hospital? And when was it founded? Dora --- Dotty H <mouserwitz@mediaone.net> wrote: > You may want to find some not so local my > ggrandfather lived in Malvern > He had epilepsy he spend the last 20 years of > his life in Delaware state > hosp where he died The family wrote him off > like he was never there > I guess in the last 1800 people who took > seizures were thought to be > possessed His Wife Died 11 years before him and > on her death certificate > it states she was a widow My Dad said his > father never talked about his > father and that was why he never knew him he > was 4 when his dad got sick > I think Mental Illness or what was though to be > mental Illness was not > Looked opon very differently back then > my Grandfather took them too but when he did > they knew more about it > them > Dotty Davis > > Dora Smith wrote: > > > > I would like to check on if members of > several of > > my London Britain and New Garden, Chester > County > > and White Clay Creek, New Castle County > families > > had any members ever put in local insane > asylums. > > I have several families who clearly carried > mood > > disorders, of whom many members are not > accounted > > for. Were there any insane asylums in the > area, > > what were their names, and how would I check > to > > see if my people were there? > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > > Visit the US GenWeb Master States Index Page > > http://www.usgenweb.org > > -- > mailto:mouserwitz@mediaone.net > http://home.att.net/~mouserwitz > ICQ13502416 > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from regular mail mode on this > list, send a message to: > PACHESTE-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > Put only the word unsubscribe in the body of > your message. For digest > mode, send the message to > PACHESTE-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Intercourse and Mount Joy? I can't wait for the full scoop on Blue Pig. Dora --- Jon Althouse <jalthouse@bfaz.org> wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: CarBurCo@aol.com > [mailto:CarBurCo@aol.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 10:29 AM > > To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [PACHESTE] Re:IS EVERYTHING BLUE IN > WINTER THERE? > > > > > > WHAT IS UP with this part of the country and > the color BLUE??? > > > > BLUE PIG > > BLUE HENS > > BLUE ROCKS > > BLUE BALL (an old road where one of my > ancestor's brothers had an Inn) > > Blue Ball is more than just a road, isn't it? > My grandfather reported "Blue > Ball, PA" as his place of birth ... I assume a > town in Lancaster Co. > > > > > > Were the WINTERS particularly hard in those > days???<G> > > > > All right I will STOP. > > And with places like Intercourse and Mt. Joy > nearby, it's a good thing you > did! > > Blessings, > Jon > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Visit the US GenWeb Master States Index Page > http://www.usgenweb.org > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

I would like to check on if members of several of my London Britain and New Garden, Chester County and White Clay Creek, New Castle County families had any members ever put in local insane asylums. I have several families who clearly carried mood disorders, of whom many members are not accounted for. Were there any insane asylums in the area, what were their names, and how would I check to see if my people were there? Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

I've gotten several answers on where is Freemont - and I don't know if any of them posted to the list. Fremont/ Freemont is in southwestern Chester County, now watch me remember what township long enought to find it on the map! West Nottingham, I think. GNIS server still thinks 400 people live there, if it no longer exists! It wouldn't be another name for West Nottingham township, would it? Dora --- Kathleen Woodside Freiburg <woodside1728@uswest.net> wrote: > I've been reading the discussions tonight about > "Blue Pig" and "Fremont" > Pennsylvania. I've check my 1797 and 1853 > Gazetteer and neither appear. > Now what I've about to write is a wild, crazy > hunch . . . and I have no idea > where it came from. > > Just a thought . . . Could "Blue Pig" be the > name of an old tavern or inn at > some tiny little town or crossroads on a > well-traveled road? Blue Pig > sounds more like a name plate you'd see hanging > on a tavern or inn and could > very easily have been used to refer to a > long-gone crossroads or village. > The original post gave no time period, just his > ggg-grandmother so I've no > idea on that other than my 3rd gr-grandparents > were born in the 1780's. If > that's true, the tavern or inn could be a > possibility. > > Remember . . . this is just a wild idea! > Were/Are there any books on old > taverns or inns in Chester County? > > Kathy W-F > mailto:woodside1728@uswest.net > > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Check out the searchable US GenWeb Project > Archives! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/usgwarch.html > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

I think it's a good idea. I wrote to him and asked if he'd hunted up his family's tax, deed and probate records. That's how I found out my 3x great grandfather owned a tavern! We really could be more helpful if we had more on this family; we don't even know when his 3X great grandmother was born and died at Blue Pig. He did write me that it is some death register that says she was born and died at Blue Pig. I wrote back, what death register? Also, it seems that Fremont / Freemont is located only a couple of miles from the Maryland state line, and there's a place called Rising Sun just south of there - I wonder if Blue Pig could be near Rising Sun? Dora --- Kathleen Woodside Freiburg <woodside1728@uswest.net> wrote: > I've been reading the discussions tonight about > "Blue Pig" and "Fremont" > Pennsylvania. I've check my 1797 and 1853 > Gazetteer and neither appear. > Now what I've about to write is a wild, crazy > hunch . . . and I have no idea > where it came from. > > Just a thought . . . Could "Blue Pig" be the > name of an old tavern or inn at > some tiny little town or crossroads on a > well-traveled road? Blue Pig > sounds more like a name plate you'd see hanging > on a tavern or inn and could > very easily have been used to refer to a > long-gone crossroads or village. > The original post gave no time period, just his > ggg-grandmother so I've no > idea on that other than my 3rd gr-grandparents > were born in the 1780's. If > that's true, the tavern or inn could be a > possibility. > > Remember . . . this is just a wild idea! > Were/Are there any books on old > taverns or inns in Chester County? > > Kathy W-F > mailto:woodside1728@uswest.net > > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Check out the searchable US GenWeb Project > Archives! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/usgwarch.html > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

My ancestors, John and Isabella Smith, came from Ireland,and landed at New Castle, Delaware. sometime between 1787 and 1797. New Castle lost all its ships' records in a fire. But I understand that most ships carrying Scotch Irish immigrants who got off the ship at New Castle, were in fact bound for Philadelphia. I don't know if it cost more to go on to Philadelphia, or what, I can't remember what is the story to why so many people got off at New Castle. Even though JOhn and Isabella Smith got off the ship at New Castle, if the ship they were on was bound for Philadelphia, would they be on the ship's list in Philadelphia? If so, what is best way to search for them - only a few hundred John and Isabella Smith couples in that big ships passenger list index! Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

I'm not repeating all of that. I didn't know what I was starting. Honest, I thought I was FIXING something. I think I've got Mary Jane's name down, though! I apologize to her - I couldn't find her name, for whatever reason, and I've been seeing her use the handle Redskin everywhere. I don't know why she thinks I was slandering Indians - look at the version of her handle below! But I sure didn't mean it that way. Dora --- REDSKI9136@aol.com wrote: > PLEASE TAKE NOTE: The use of the term REDSKIN > is flammatory to anyone of > Native American Ancestry.It is no different > then calling an African American > person the N word. I kindly ask anyone > referring to me, to call me by my > given name of Mary Jane or BrightStar. But if > you feel you must call me by my > screen name, it is Redski not Redskin. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

I would like to find the naturalization record for my emigrant ancestor, John Smith. He came with wife Isabella from Ireland, it now looks like possibly Londerry County. They landed in New Castle, which lost most ships' records in a fire. They went to work for an unknown period of time for John Whitten, a large farmer with slaves, adn a justice of the peace, in London Britain township. But John Whitten's descendants who have the family papers have no record of John and Isabella Smith. John Whitten had a free man and woman, servants, on his property, with three slaves, in 1790; these could have been the Smiths but may not have been. In October, 1798, they bought 30 acres of land in London Britain township, for which they paid cash. Then they spent their first winter in the half cellar of the log cabin they were building, using a temporary fireplace in the corner, with a newborn baby and a toddler. John Smith was a weaver, and he was taxed principally for his loom. Also the family had a horse, a cow, and a dog. The family attended New London Presbyterian Church and Flint Hill Methodist Church, both also lost their records from the right time periods to fires. John and Isabella had children born between 1797 and about 1810. They lived into the 1840's and 1850's, and lost their farm in London Britain township in 1831, because they were unable to pay a mortgage they took out around 1805. Two of their seven children were very successful in business (and yes, one temporarily bailed out his parents), and one of the owned hundreds of acres on the point of land where Delaware, Maryland, and Pennsylvania join that was in different states at various times, was a local political leader, and served several terms in the Delaware state legislature. John Smith's naturalization record is probably the only record of when he came here; where and how would I find it? Also, I'd like to look for the ship records where John and Isabella Smith got ON the ship, leaving Ireland. Does anyone have a clue how to look for those records? Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Cathy, Yes, CECIL COUNTY (Elkton, Belle Hill Farm and what was then called Christiana Bridge ...now Christiana in Delaware, was the main area for RUDULPHS. But the eldest son of the American Progenitor had an Inn in PA (of course the lines went back and forth all the time, there being no states as yet. SAME family. Yours, Carole In a message dated 8/31/00 6:03:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, PACHESTE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << Cathy Berger" <o2bab@bedford.net> To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <019501c01295$5861b7c0$989163ce@net> Subject: Re: [PACHESTE] RUDULPH,MURRAY,SYNG,NORTON, etc EARLY 1700's Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rudulph is also a Cecil Co, MD surname very early. Just south of Chester Co. Cathy >>