Karen: I am interested in what in blazes went on in my family's minds. My great uncle, Lawrence Smith, who had epilepsy, and died suddenly at age 53 of "apoplexy", aka, influenza, as my father was told, very suddenly three weeks after his brother died of cancer, was born in 1873, and died in 1925. He was a doctor. But my father had no idea he had epilepsy. I learned it from the state medical society, who apparently were aware of it, when trying to track his family and his death, which were mysteriously hushed up. And I think that if I am able to get his daughter's 1972 death certificate, she died in a tiny village in the middle of Pennsylvania, it may not say that she committed suicide, which she did. The whole thing was hushed up. I was lucky enough to talk to a good friend of her friend who found her body. Would my great uncle's family have been likely to have reacted to his epilepsy as if he was mentally ill? My father's people had a strange streak. Forgot he was half German, for instance. It got changed to French. Yours, Dora --- Booboopies@aol.com wrote: > Dear Dotty and Dora, > > Epilepsy was considered a mental illness in the > 19th century. Mental illness was understood, > but treatment for it was less than optimal. The > fact that the true organic nature of epilespy > was not clearly understood until the second > half of the 20th century. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Does anyone on the list have the capability of looking up Thomas Johnson, Chester County, West Nottingham, PA in the 1910 Census. Wifes name would be Laura C. Frank

Hi Debbie, The only California asylum that I know of off hand was Agnews State Asylum for the Insane near San Jose in Santa Clara County. You might try tracking your gr-grandfather in the 1910 census. My gr-gr-uncle turned up as an "inmate" at Agnews in the 1920 census (Agnews was listed as its own district). I haven't followed up with the info so I'm not any help on the next step yet. Good luck. - Mary Helen -----Original Message----- I am interested in this topic also. I have a gr-grandfather, who, according to family stories, died in an insane asylum in California in 1911. I don't have a clue WHERE in California, and he had a very common name.

Karen, Thanks for your very interesting and informative message re above. Is it your understanding that the contracts between the servant/apprentice and the 'owner' were just between them or was there information on file at the county or township level for these contracts? Thanks, Sharon

Debra, Was there any sort of legal proceedings against your g-grandfather? That might indicate where he was placed since obviously he was found he could not be incarcerated for his crime. Another source, albeit a real shot in the dark, is the coroner's inquest regarding the murder. You never know for sure what will be in that report. Good luck to you. Sharon : -----Original Message----- : From: Debra Chapman [mailto:ddchapman@prodigy.net] : Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 4:23 PM : To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com : Subject: [PACHESTE] Insane asylums : : : I am interested in this topic also. I have a gr-grandfather, who, : according to family stories, died in an insane asylum in California in : 1911. Since he was a immigrant from England, I have hoped that records : might have some information about his family or where he came from. I : just never have had an idea as to how to proceed. I don't have a clue : WHERE in California, and he had a very common name. And, yes, the : family did cover it up, only my mother was told, and I'm the only one in : my generation who was told. But, they had more of a reason to cover it : up, he murdered his wife. : Debbie : : : ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== : Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at : http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm : : : :

Dear Scott, Thank you so much for explaining the difference between slavery and indentured servitude. Indentured servitude has been widely studied by a number of PhDs, with many books published on the topic containing lots and lots of tables and erudite thinking and writing. There were three types of indentured servitude, those who agreed to sell themselves (and/or their families) into service for a specific length of time in order to pay their passage from Europe; redemptioners who were mostly German, were purchased by the ship's master (sometimes a ship owner) to be redeemed or resold upon their arrival in the colonies either at the dock or schlepped en masse around the countryside by "soul drivers" or "soul sellers"; and apprentices (yes, folks, these, too, were indentured servants!) who were bound to a master or mistress to learn a trade. Indenture means a contract and is also used in land transactions; apprentices had to abide by the same rules and regulations as other indentured servants which is why I include them in the indentured population. I have encountered records where children as young as 18 months are bound out or indentured until the age of 21. Usually, these are orphans or children of parents truly too poor to care for them. In the 1740s there were gangs of men who would sweep through poor villages in Scotland and snatch up little children to sell into service in the colonies. Life in the 17th and 18th centuries was hard and cruel (though not as short as some like to think), so don't be shocked to hear these things. Indentured servitude was a cheap and easy way to remove oneself from far worse circumstances in Europe. From my research into runaway indentured servants, I'm convinced that many of those who sold themselves into bondage had absolutely no intention of remaining indentured for their full term which accounts for the proliferation of runaways. As soon as they set foot in America, you'd better believe some of them took to the hills as fast as they could. On the other hand, whole families bound themselves in an effort to stay together. If a farmer or a manufactorerr had no family of his own, this was an ideal setup. In the case of those children I mentioned earlier, some were brought up as family members, almost all of them had some form of schooling, and were taught farming, housewifery, and other occupations that would provide them with trades that would support them as adults. George Gesner of Ridley was younger than 14 years old when his master Col. Caleb Davis died at the early 19th century. We know this because Davis's will has a guardian appointed for the boy. George must have been highly thought of by Col. Davis because Davis bequeathed his considerable property in Phila. to George when he came of age. From servant to gentleman with the stroke of a pen. This sort of case is undoubtedly the unusual, and most indentured servants lived lives of dull drudgery until their term was up. At which time they would be given their freedom dues, clothing, farm tools, sometimes a Bible. Some bound themselves out over and over to different masters to be kept gainfully employed. Others became day laborers, shopkeepers, artisans. The opportunities for servants once their term was complete to make their way in the world were far greater here in America than in Europe where if you were poor, you generally remained poor. Karen Greim Mullian booboopies@aol.com In a message dated Fri, 1 Sep 2000 3:36:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Scott Anderson <phssra@physics.emory.edu> writes: << On Friday, September 1, 2000, REDSKI9136@aol.com wrote: > I was interduced to a web site, in the last day or so,that > mentions many of our Pa. residents that owned slaves. It also list many of > their names. I have to admit that learning about this site, has really > thrown me a bit. Many of my own family's names are listed their as > slaveowners. I guess I have a lot to learn. I always thought that slavery > was from the MASON-DIXON line down into the south.I knew that it extended > into Maryland and that Delaware, seemed to stay nuetral. Slavery was practiced in all of the colonies, irrespective of the Mason-Dixon line. It was only outlawed in the Northern states between 1777 and 1804. This was easier for them to accomplish because slavery was not as interwined in their economies as it was in the South. > Though I knew of the many Indentured Slaves, I never knew our state was a > slave owning state. There is a distinction between Indentured Servitude (the correct term) and Slavery. The former was generally entered into willingly through an indenture, "a contract binding one party into the service of another for a specified term". Slavery was almost always involuntary, and the slave was considered property. See, for example, <http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/7/0,5716,117527+1+109538,00.html>. S R C A cott obert ranston nderson phssra@physics.emory.edu ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm >>

On Friday, September 1, 2000, REDSKI9136@aol.com wrote: > I was interduced to a web site, in the last day or so,that > mentions many of our Pa. residents that owned slaves. It also list many of > their names. I have to admit that learning about this site, has really > thrown me a bit. Many of my own family's names are listed their as > slaveowners. I guess I have a lot to learn. I always thought that slavery > was from the MASON-DIXON line down into the south.I knew that it extended > into Maryland and that Delaware, seemed to stay nuetral. Slavery was practiced in all of the colonies, irrespective of the Mason-Dixon line. It was only outlawed in the Northern states between 1777 and 1804. This was easier for them to accomplish because slavery was not as interwined in their economies as it was in the South. > Though I knew of the many Indentured Slaves, I never knew our state was a > slave owning state. There is a distinction between Indentured Servitude (the correct term) and Slavery. The former was generally entered into willingly through an indenture, "a contract binding one party into the service of another for a specified term". Slavery was almost always involuntary, and the slave was considered property. See, for example, <http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/7/0,5716,117527+1+109538,00.html>. S R C A cott obert ranston nderson phssra@physics.emory.edu

I am interested in this topic also. I have a gr-grandfather, who, according to family stories, died in an insane asylum in California in 1911. Since he was a immigrant from England, I have hoped that records might have some information about his family or where he came from. I just never have had an idea as to how to proceed. I don't have a clue WHERE in California, and he had a very common name. And, yes, the family did cover it up, only my mother was told, and I'm the only one in my generation who was told. But, they had more of a reason to cover it up, he murdered his wife. Debbie

There must have been more than one Blue Ball Inn. The one at Daylesford, E. of Paoli, is still standing, is a lovely home, and has been there since early days. I have a copy of Brief of Title to the Ball Farm which included the Inn. Also, recent photos of the Inn. It is on Russell Road, Tredyffrin Twp, just behind Daylesford Station on the Paoli Local, not far West of Irish Road and Conestoga High School. Picture and details available if anyone wants them. This Blue Ball Inn was owned by Mary VanLeer Moore, dau. of Dr. Bernardus VanLeer (1686-1790) and wife of Moses Moore. Mary inherited it from her father in 1786. The title to the land goes back to a Penn Grant 1714, and continues through Bernardus VanLeer 1759, to Mary VanLeer Moore and her heirs. Eventually, these farms (2 parts) were sold, some to the School District, some to the PRR for its right of way, and, of course, much of it for private homes. Mary VanLeer Moore's heirs included her daughter, Priscilla b. 1777 d. 1877. Hers is one of the oldest at Great Valley Presbyterian Church Cemetery. It is Prissy's ghost that is said to haunt the INN! The local kids still steer clear of it on Hallowe'en. Marj in Oriental, NC

I am seeking any info on the following....... Mr ? Vanderslice married unknown wife Two of their children were 1. John Vanderslice died Feb. 11, 1863 in Jersey City, Bergen Co. NJ married Ann ? and she also died in Jersey City, NJ Dec. 17, 1889 2. Sarah Jane Vanderslice born July 17, 1839 in Coatesville, Chester Co. PA. died Oct. 31, 1917 in Philadelphia, Philadelphia Co. PA married Feb. 13, 1859 in Jersey City, NJ to Edward Crain/Crane. If anyone knows anything about these please let me know. Thanks. Amy AJWRJW@aol.com

The fruits of last night's visit to the FHC. Mostly Chester Co., but some Lancaster Co., so I'm sending it to both. Hope it's of use to someone. A few of them were helpful to me. Except as indicated (or by oversight) I took down all LAMBORN entries for the ITEMS mentioned (not for the entire FILM). I'm hoping to find a marriage of Townsend LAMBORN to Margaret SAMPLES (approx. 1828-1835) and/or a record indicating the parents Humphrey LAMBORN (b. 10-21-1835). ~Genealogy of the Lamborn Family~ by Samuel D. Lamborn (1894) reports the marriage and says Humphrey is a product of that marriage, but I have not found any confirmation of these facts and Townsend's will does not mention Humphrey, though Humphrey was alive at that time. If anyone knows anything about these individuals, give me a holler. **FHL FILM 20,994** ~Item 2, Little Britain MM records.~ This film contains someone's abstract from the complete records. The page number is not the page of the abstract, presumably it refers to the page in the original records. I was primarily looking for male LAMBORNs here, I may have missed some ladies. I believe these records are posted on the Lancaster Co. website anyway. Thomas LAMBORN of Martick Lanc. Co. son of George and Martha his wf. latter dec'd & Lydia BRADLEYof same twp dau of George Bradley and Mary hs wf 3,13,1822 at Drumore Mtg. (p.51-2) Benjamin LAMBORN, Martick Twp. Lanc. Co. son of George and Martha latter dec'd & Rachel BRADLEY, dau of George and Mary Bradley of same place 1,21,1824 at Drumore Mtg. (p.54) Smedley LAMBORN Drumore, son of George and Mary of Jefferson Co. OH & Margaret BOTTOM dau of Isaac & Elizabeth of Drumore 12,22, 1830 at Drumore (p. 66-7) Jacob K. BROWN, Fulton Twp. son of Levi K. & Hannah H. Brown and Sallie E. LAMBORN, Drumore dau Smedley & Margaret, both dec'd, 9,2,1875 at house of George S. Lamborn **FHL FILM 20,426** ~Item 1, London Grove MM Records~ p.2 Samuel LAMBORN born the day of the mo. Ann LAMBORN his wife born the day of the mo. of whome was born as follows: Ann LAMBORN born the 12th of 7th 1793 p.55 David LAMBORN was born 13th of 2nd 1764 Elizabeth LAMBORN was born 1753 dec'd 1mo. 14th 1837 Their children: Job LAMBORN was born 16th of 8th 1799 p.61 Jonathon LAMBORN was born 7th of 8mo. 1778 Rachel LAMBORN was born 14 of 5mo. 1779 Their children: Ezer Lamborn born 27th of 8th mo. 1807 Miriam Lamborn born 3 of 6mo. 1809 Ruth Lamborn born 5th of 6th 1811 Rest Lamborn born 28th of 12th 1812 ~Item 2, London Grove MM marriages,~ film has complete marriage certificate, abstraction is mine p.18 David LAMBORN of London Grove s. Robert and Ann (dec'd) Lamborn & Elizabeth WILLIAMS dau of Job & Racehl (dec'd) 13th 12mo. 1797 p.24 Daniel LAMBORN s. John & Naomi of Kennett & Elizabeth SMITH dau of William (dec'd) and Jane of Goshen, 11th 12mo. 1799. ~Item 3, London Grove MM removals~ I stopped in 1810 29,5,1793 George LAMBORN & Martha his w. to Kennett 4,6,1794 Samuel LAMBORN & Ann his w. & their dau. [unnamed] to [Preadstone] 27,11,1796 Josiah LAMBORN Junr to Bradford MM [2],6,1797 Josiah LAMBORN & Sarah his w. to Warrington MM 3,10,1798 Sarah LAMBORN dau of Josiah to Warrington MM 8,8,1804 Daniel LAMBORN & Elizabeth his wf. and children, viz John, Jane & Daniel Lamborn to Nottingham MM (note: earlier in the letter he is said to have two children) **FHL Film 20,993** Item: Marriages by Henry Fleming, Esq., W. Chester 1838-1859 Charles LAMBORN Hamorton } Emma SHARPLESS do } March 19, 1856 Item: Marriages by Wm. Whitehead Esq., W. Chester NO Lamborn marriages Item: Marriages by James McFarlan, Esq. NO Lamborn marriages Item: Marriages by David Fingul, Esq. NO Lamborn marriages found, difficult to read Item: Record of Marriages from Amer. Repub William GIVENS Londongrove } Wm. Everhart Esq. Lydia Ann LAMBORN do } Mar 20, 1834 Washington B. WOODWARD[1] Kennett } Ald Cook Phila Edith B. [LAMBORN][2] do } Feb 25, 1841 Townsend LAMBORN Ches Co. } Isaac [S ], Esq. Susanna REYNOLDS Cecil Co. } Nov 7, 1842 Henry WEBSTER[3] Newcastle Co } Ald J. Cook Rest Eliza LAMBORN[4] Ken Sq } Mar 3, 1843 Jacob CRAIG Newcastle Co } N Strickland, Esq. Esther LAMBORN do } May 14, 1844 New Item?: [David Baily vo Jacob Woodward in Am Rep Jany 15 1823] Wm. LAMBORN } D. Crosby esq. Charlotte SIMPSON } July 20, 1824 New Item?: Allen Plugram [J ] 7, 1900 William E. LAFFERTY Camden NJ } Rev. Geo. B. Ide Caroline E. LAMBOURNE do } Feby 15 1849 New Item?: [This may be Item 10 according to the FHLC system "Notebook containing genealogy and notes on miscellaneous records: marriages, deaths, wills land and property; years are mixed." But through this area it was difficult to tell where one "item" begins and another ends. They are all handwritten notebooks. Abijah S. JACKSON Del. } John T. Haines, esq Elizabeth J. LAMBORN " " } No date V R Dec 5 1848 Joseph T. LAMBORN[5] W. Bradford } res of her father John House, Columbia Mrs. Phebe Ann DAVIS[6] Columbia } Jany 10, 1849, Friends cer Richard B. TAYLOR[7] E. Goshen } Annie B. LAMBOURNE[8] } June 12, 1849 J. Castner HANWAY[9] Sadsbury } Res. of Moses Pennock Sarah T. LAMBORN[10] Kennett } April 18, 1850, Friends cer Hobson LAMBORN[11] New Garden } New Garden Mtg Rebecca L. HAYES[12] } Mar 10, 1852 John W. HICKMAN[13] } Mayor Kieffer, Lanc. Elizabeth B. LAMBORN } Dec 15, 1853 James YOUNG, Jr.[14] W. Brad } Mayor Henry, Phila Sallie A. LAMBORN[15] } Feb 1, 1860 Humphrey LAMBORN[16] W. Brad } Thomas W. Parker, esq. Josephine C. TURNER[17] } July 19, 1860 NOTES: See Bracketed numbers above. These are things which were written in the margins. 1. b. May 29, 1814, d. Dec 14, 1844 2. b. 12-13-1821, d. 2-6-1887 3. b. 8-2-1813, d. 10-25-1871 4. b. 12-28-1812 d. 4-2-1906, there is a note written between their two names that says "March 2nd McNeil" 5. Near Lawrence kan murdered d. Feb 17, 1896 6. b. 4-15-1813 d. 6-17-1890 7. d. Mar 27, 1891 8. b. 3-5-1824 d. 11-21-1889 9. d. May 27, 1893, Nebraska 10. d. Aug 20, 1855 11. b. 10-19-1813 of Thomas3, Thomas2, d. 11-25-1876 12. b. 6-28-1822, dau of Israel & Lydia, d. 6-14-1863 13. There is add'l information for these individuals that I did not record. 14. d. May 5, 1881 15. d. Mar 3, 1895 16. b. 10-21-1835, d. Dec 26, 1901 17. b. 10-3-1841, d. Jany 15, 1919 Blessings, Jon

Go to Chester County archives and look at the Poor house records. Also the census 1850 and later will list in the right most column if people are not "right" e.g. "lunatic". When you get to the page where the poor house imnates are listed, all the reasons are there- pregnancy, imbecile, lunatic, old age, etc. Normal people stay only a short while- children would be apprenticed out, and adults who were fit, would be found jobs and discharged. Also, lots of them "absconded" that is, just left without leave. All these records are available. Anne Wiegle -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith [SMTP:tiggernut_48@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 8:57 PM To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACHESTE] where local insane asylums and how to check on if my family were there I would like to check on if members of several of my London Britain and New Garden, Chester County and White Clay Creek, New Castle County families had any members ever put in local insane asylums. I have several families who clearly carried mood disorders, of whom many members are not accounted for. Were there any insane asylums in the area, what were their names, and how would I check to see if my people were there? Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ______________________________

No doubt the town was named from the Blue Ball Inn. (They tore it down recently.) Probably the name was changed when the name of the inn was changed from Corss Keys to BLue Ball. Lots of crossroads that grew into towns were names from their inns- King of Prussia, Fox Chase, etc. WEst Chester used to be called Turk's Head after the Turk's head inn. Anne Wiegle -----Original Message----- From: Gail Steckel [SMTP:gailstec@pa.net] Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 8:34 PM To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACHESTE] Re:IS EVERYTHING BLUE IN WINTER THERE? I believe the town of Intercourse was originally named Cross Keys - wonder why they changed it????!! -----Original Message----- ______________________________

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In a message dated 8/31/00 9:14:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, o2bab@bedford.net writes: << Interesting comment on little girl sold (seld indenture for x number of years) to Caleb Pusey. My Alexander Ross was stolen off the streets of either Scotland or Northern Ireland and was indentured to Caleb Pusey at age of 12. Alexander Ross became a man of great wealth. He moved from Chester Co with a whole group of Quakers to found Hopewell Meeting in VA. >> Hi Cathy, I was interduced to a web site, in the last day or so,that mentions many of our Pa. residents that owned slaves. It also list many of their names. I have to admit that learning about this site, has really thrown me a bit. Many of my own family's names are listed their as slaveowners. I guess I have a lot to learn. I always thought that slavery was from the MASON-DIXON line down into the south.I knew that it extended into Maryland and that Delaware, seemed to stay nuetral. Though I knew of the many Indentured Slaves, I never knew our state was a slave owning state. Anyway, this site can be found at (DCGS) and I thank Anne Weigel, for letting me know about it. <A HREF="http://www.springhillfarm.com/broomhall/african.html">Click here: African-American Ches & Del Co Update 2/19/2000</A> http://www.springhillfarm.com/broomhall/african.html Mary Jane, Bright Star

Dear Dotty and Dora, Epilepsy was considered a mental illness in the 19th century. Mental illness was understood, but treatment for it was less than optimal. The fact that the true organic nature of epilespy was not clearly understood until the second half of the 20th century. You must consider the times in which these events occurred and not judge by modern standards. People living in previous centuries did not have the educational opportunities or the scientific advancements that we have today. Many chronic diseases were not discussed, even in the 1900s. Until the last quarter of the 20th century, there were many, MANY things that were not discussed either in private or in public. People who were unable to control themselves (as in epilepsy) were believed to be mentally ill. Mental illness, because it was known to run in families, was generally swept under the carpet. The same with cancer. Pregnant women were rarely seen in public in an urban setting (and often in the country, too) because it was clear that they had engaged in sexual behavior -- didn't matter if the woman was married or not. I can remember when I was a teenager in the 1960s that a classmate suddenly disappeared. She had gotten pregnant, and her family sent her away. Sufferers were NOT thought to be possessed in the 1900s. That was a 17th century concept. Karen Greim Mullian booboopies@aol.com In a message dated Thu, 31 Aug 2000 9:36:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dora Smith <tiggernut_48@yahoo.com> writes: << WHA-A-T?! Was ALL that was wrong with him epilepsy? Didn't he have to be atleast shown incompetent? Well, I did have a great uncle who had that. I think the family concealed it - but the state medical society told me what little they had been given about him. He was a doctor. Whre is the Delaware State Hospital? And when was it founded? Dora --- Dotty H <mouserwitz@mediaone.net> wrote: > You may want to find some not so local my > ggrandfather lived in Malvern > He had epilepsy he spend the last 20 years of > his life in Delaware state > hosp where he died The family wrote him off > like he was never there > I guess in the last 1800 people who took > seizures were thought to be > possessed His Wife Died 11 years before him and > on her death certificate > it states she was a widow My Dad said his > father never talked about his > father and that was why he never knew him he > was 4 when his dad got sick > I think Mental Illness or what was though to be > mental Illness was not > Looked opon very differently back then > my Grandfather took them too but when he did > they knew more about it > them > Dotty Davis > > Dora Smith wrote: > > > > I would like to check on if members of > several of > > my London Britain and New Garden, Chester > County > > and White Clay Creek, New Castle County > families > > had any members ever put in local insane > asylums. > > I have several families who clearly carried > mood > > disorders, of whom many members are not > accounted > > for. Were there any insane asylums in the > area, > > what were their names, and how would I check > to > > see if my people were there? > > > > Yours, > > Dora Smith > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > > Visit the US GenWeb Master States Index Page > > http://www.usgenweb.org > > -- > mailto:mouserwitz@mediaone.net > http://home.att.net/~mouserwitz > ICQ13502416 > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from regular mail mode on this > list, send a message to: > PACHESTE-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > Put only the word unsubscribe in the body of > your message. For digest > mode, send the message to > PACHESTE-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== To post a message to this list, send your message to PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com >>

All I have is the death certificate State of Deleware New Castle Co city of Farnhurst My cousin got the Death certifcate and all the info on her grandfather and my ggrandfather It is in the State of Delaware Dora Smith wrote: > they had been given about him. He was a doctor. > > Whre is the Delaware State Hospital? And when > was it founded? > > Dora > > --- Dotty H <mouserwitz@mediaone.net> wrote: > > You may want to find some not so local my > > ggrandfather lived in Malvern > > Dotty Davis > > area, > > > what were their names, and how would I check > > to > > > see if my people were there? > > > > > > Yours, > > > Dora Smith > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > > anywhere! > > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > > > Visit the US GenWeb Master States Index Page > > > http://www.usgenweb.org > > > > -- > > mailto:mouserwitz@mediaone.net > > http://home.att.net/~mouserwitz > > ICQ13502416 > > > > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from regular mail mode on this > > list, send a message to: > > PACHESTE-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > > Put only the word unsubscribe in the body of > > your message. For digest > > mode, send the message to > > PACHESTE-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ -- mailto:mouserwitz@mediaone.net http://home.att.net/~mouserwitz ICQ13502416

FYI: The borough of Mount Joy, located in Lancaster County, was named for the ship on which the people came who settled that area- the good ship Mount Joy. The Borough's logo still carries an image of the ship and the local people are quite proud of it. -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith <tiggernut_48@yahoo.com> To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, August 31, 2000 9:16 PM Subject: RE: [PACHESTE] Re:IS EVERYTHING BLUE IN WINTER THERE? >Intercourse and Mount Joy? I can't wait for the >full scoop on Blue Pig. > >Dora > >--- Jon Althouse <jalthouse@bfaz.org> wrote: >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: CarBurCo@aol.com >> [mailto:CarBurCo@aol.com] >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 10:29 AM >> > To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: [PACHESTE] Re:IS EVERYTHING BLUE IN >> WINTER THERE? >> > >> > >> > WHAT IS UP with this part of the country and >> the color BLUE??? >> > >> > BLUE PIG >> > BLUE HENS >> > BLUE ROCKS >> > BLUE BALL (an old road where one of my >> ancestor's brothers had an Inn) >> >> Blue Ball is more than just a road, isn't it? >> My grandfather reported "Blue >> Ball, PA" as his place of birth ... I assume a >> town in Lancaster Co. >> > >> > >> > Were the WINTERS particularly hard in those >> days???<G> >> > >> > All right I will STOP. >> >> And with places like Intercourse and Mt. Joy >> nearby, it's a good thing you >> did! >> >> Blessings, >> Jon >> >> >> ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >> Visit the US GenWeb Master States Index Page >> http://www.usgenweb.org >> >> >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > >

On 8/20, Claude Nivens posted to the list:: Freemont, PA is located South of Nottingham, near where Route #1 crosses the Pennsylvania border. Nottingham Park is located on the West side of Route #1. Freemont is located on the West entrance road to Nottingham Park. This information comes from the Microsoft Trip Planner. I have found it valuable in locating small places. Claude Nivens -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith <tiggernut_48@yahoo.com> To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, August 31, 2000 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [PACHESTE] Blue Pig >I've gotten several answers on where is Freemont >- and I don't know if any of them posted to the >list. Fremont/ Freemont is in southwestern >Chester County, now watch me remember what >township long enought to find it on the map! >West Nottingham, I think. GNIS server still >thinks 400 people live there, if it no longer >exists! It wouldn't be another name for West >Nottingham township, would it? > >Dora > >--- Kathleen Woodside Freiburg ><woodside1728@uswest.net> wrote: >> I've been reading the discussions tonight about >> "Blue Pig" and "Fremont" >> Pennsylvania. I've check my 1797 and 1853 >> Gazetteer and neither appear. >> Now what I've about to write is a wild, crazy >> hunch . . . and I have no idea >> where it came from. >> >> Just a thought . . . Could "Blue Pig" be the >> name of an old tavern or inn at >> some tiny little town or crossroads on a >> well-traveled road? Blue Pig >> sounds more like a name plate you'd see hanging >> on a tavern or inn and could >> very easily have been used to refer to a >> long-gone crossroads or village. >> The original post gave no time period, just his >> ggg-grandmother so I've no >> idea on that other than my 3rd gr-grandparents >> were born in the 1780's. If >> that's true, the tavern or inn could be a >> possibility. >> >> Remember . . . this is just a wild idea! >> Were/Are there any books on old >> taverns or inns in Chester County? >> >> Kathy W-F >> mailto:woodside1728@uswest.net >> >> >> >> ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >> Check out the searchable US GenWeb Project >> Archives! >> http://searches.rootsweb.com/usgwarch.html >> >> >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > >