Marj, Thanks for the info. I think you may be right about more than one Blue Ball Inn. In fact there may have been three or four. I wonder if we can find out about that. Blue Ball Road in Cecil County MD could have originally lead to one. Was there ever a place called Blue Ball, PA? The John Rudolph who was said to have been owner (or maybe it was Innkeeper?) at one time, was called "John of Darby" in family notes, so one would think that THAT Blue Ball Inn was somewhere near DARBY Pa, wouldn't one? Also mentioned in some family notes is "Chester Road." Carole In a message dated 9/1/00 11:38:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, PACHESTE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << "marjw" <marjw@pamlico.net> To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000101c01437$6735a6a0$a366f5cd@pamlico.net> Subject: [PACHESTE] BLUE BALL INN Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There must have been more than one Blue Ball Inn. The one at Daylesford, E. of Paoli, is still standing, is a lovely home, and has been there since early days. I have a copy of Brief of Title to the Ball Farm which included the Inn. Also, recent photos of the Inn. It is on Russell Road, Tredyffrin Twp, just behind Daylesford Station on the Paoli Local, not far West of Irish Road and Conestoga High School. Picture and details available if anyone wants them.

In those days they didn't know what caused epilepsy. Very embarassing to be at a party and all of a sudden a family member goes into convulsions! so they packed them off, not knowing what else to do with them. My 5th Great grandfather was put in jail for debt in 1733, and for 267 years the family told the story of how he died from a fall from a load of hay in 1730! And my uncle died from "an accident while cleaning his gun." How many times have you hear that one? Anne Wiegle -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith [SMTP:tiggernut_48@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 10:58 PM To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACHESTE] Conceptions of mental illnesses and other socially unacceptable things, Karen: I am interested in what in blazes went on in my family's minds. My great uncle, Lawrence Smith, who had epilepsy, and died suddenly at age 53 of "apoplexy", aka, influenza, as my father was told, very suddenly three weeks after his brother died of cancer, was born in 1873, and died in 1925. He was a doctor. But my father had no idea he had epilepsy. I learned it from the state medical society, who apparently were aware of it, when trying to track his family and his death, which were mysteriously hushed up. And I think that if I am able to get his daughter's 1972 death certificate, she died in a tiny village in the middle of Pennsylvania, it may not say that she committed suicide, which she did. The whole thing was hushed up. I was lucky enough to talk to a good friend of her friend who found her body. Would my great uncle's family have been likely to have reacted to his epilepsy as if he was mentally ill? My father's people had a strange streak. Forgot he was half German, for instance. It got changed to French. Yours, Dora --- Booboopies@aol.com wrote: > Dear Dotty and Dora, > > Epilepsy was considered a mental illness in the > 19th century. Mental illness was understood, > but treatment for it was less than optimal. The > fact that the true organic nature of epilespy > was not clearly understood until the second > half of the 20th century. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ______________________________

1910 census ED's: Highland State Hospital must be Southern California State Hospital, in Highland Township, San Bernardino Co; 1910 ED 99. Agnews State Hosptl, Santa Clara, Santa Clara County, CA; 1910 ED 112. Camirillo St Hosptl, Camarillo, Ventura Co, this is ambiguous. There are handwritten notes on the film that the state hospital is on either 1910 ED 217, 218, 219 and most likely from what I can make out, ED 218. Stockton State Hospital, Stockton, San Joaquin or Josquin County, CA: 1910 ED 146. Napa State Hospital: Napa, Napa Co, CA 1910 ED 78. Also, a San Francisco City and County Hospital (probably just where the poor went for medical care), 1910 ED 86 Sacramento State Prison 1910 ED 97. Questionnable if this murder occurred before 1900 if Debra's grandmother attended highschool in San Francisco and was sent to an aunt in Chester County PA to be raised after the murder, even though the murder supposedly occurred in front of her when the girls were 10 or 12 years old and the marriage was in 1885. But since apparently they lived in Sacramento, I would think the Sacremento newspapers would have been full of it - try PERSI index and Sacramento historical societies and public library. Dora __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Am at state library, have map of California - from what I can see, Stockton and its insane asylum would be right square in the center of California. Santa Clara had one too - they were near the coast. San Francisco is nearby, and Sacramento is either north or south of Stockton and also in central California. Yours, Dora __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

I found my man in the 1920 census, so I'm not sure of the 1910 references. In 1920, it is listed in Santa Clara County, Agnews Precinct, Agnews State Hospital for Insane, Vol. 121, E.D. 194, National Archives Microfilm Publication T625, Roll 147. The women were listed first, then the men, all alphabetically (it looked like they just copied the names from the hospital files). Hope this helps. Mary Helen -----Original Message----- Mary Helen: I can check 1910 census tomorrow; can you tell me exactly where in Santa Clara County to look? If it was "near" San Jose, what township or ED ws it in? Yours, Dora

Citizenship papers - start with date and place that you have, they should cite earlier papers. Lots on web about how to trace citizenship papers, thankfully I've never had to do it. Get your great grandmother's death certificate from Vital Records in California. If not state records yet, contact county or city vital records. I don't know California's search procedures or fees; it might be most expeditious to send different requests for any different dates of death you have for your grandmother! Ditto for your grandfather. A death certifificate should have been filed, whatever happened. I'll see how far I get with teh census, don't know how far that will be. It sounds like he most likely would have been sent to Agnews or Stockton. Central California? Geez, I need a map for this! Anyone know which of those hospitals would be in central California? You might also try the California mailing lists. Yours, Dora Smith --- Debra Chapman <ddchapman@prodigy.net> wrote: > Hi all, > Thanks to everyone who has offered advice. > Here is the story. I'll try to keep it brief. > :) > My gr-grandmother, Mary Ruth John was born in > Chester Co in 1857 and raised a > Quaker. She became engaged to Thomas Harrison > in 1884. He was b in England > (supposedly was raised in Bradford, Yorkshire, > but I didn't find him in the IGI > with the birthdate I have) and came to the US > under contract with a Railroad Co > as a skilled laborer. Don't know which > Railroad. She then postponed the > wedding (I think there was family pressure > against it) and he moved to CA with > his work. A year later she traveled to CA to > marry him (I have their wedding > cert., looks more like she ran off, her maiden > surname is spelled wrong and she > gave her place of residence as Minnesota!) They > were married at Lower Lake ME > Church, Lower Lake, CA. Nov 28, 1885. > The story I was told (her daughter, my > grandmother died before I was born, my > mother told me the story and her 2 brothers had > never heard it, 1 believed it > and 1 didn't) was that he became a > successful business man in Stockton, San > Francisco or Sacramento and that his business > rivals, in order to bring him > down a few notches, spread the rumor that his > wife was having an affair. He > went home and found his wife and 2 daughters, > aged 12 and 10 in the parlor > having tea and shot and killed his wife in > front of the daughters. The > daughters were sent back to Chester Co to be > raised by their mother's sister. > That's the story. The facts that I have found > through family papers and > photographs is that they lived in or near > Sacramento, my grandmother attended > Brighton Junction School, near Sacramento, that > Thomas Harrison worked at the > Union Iron Works machine shop, that he received > his citizenship papers in 1894 > in the County of Sacramento, there is no > background info on the papers and I > don't know where he started the citizenship > process, I don't know how long he > was in the US before he went to CA or where he > was except near Chester Co for a > while. All the family photos were taken in > Sacramento studios. Mary Ruth John > Harrison (the wife) died Oct 7, 1898 and if a > photo label is correct was buried > in Sacramento, but the cemetary is not named. > Thomas Harrison supposedly died > Dec 19, 1911, though I have seen 2 other years > in family papers and my mother > claimed that he died when she was a young child > in the 1920's. > About 4 or 5 years ago I was introduced by a > very reputable person to a woman > in CA who did research for modest fees. I told > her the story and agreed to get > a check in the mail. She did find somethings > out (if she was telling th > truth), that the story was true, that she had > found a record of Thomas Harrison > in an insane asylum in central CA (I've since > lost the e-mails thru a computer > crash) she didn't give me any details, she was > awaiting my check and then I got > a message from her that she was off to a > convention in Salt Lake City, that was > the last I heard from her, she never responded > to any of my e-mails. I dropped > it there and didn't pursue it again. Now I > think that I'm ready to have a go at > it but don't know where to start from my > isolated corner of Kentucky. > > Debbie > > "Mary Helen E. Chrisman" wrote: > > > Hi Debbie, > > The only California asylum that I know of off > hand was Agnews State Asylum > > for the Insane near San Jose in Santa Clara > County. You might try tracking > > your gr-grandfather in the 1910 census. My > gr-gr-uncle turned up as an > > "inmate" at Agnews in the 1920 census (Agnews > was listed as its own > > district). I haven't followed up with the > info so I'm not any help on the > > next step yet. Good luck. - Mary Helen > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > I am interested in this topic also. I have a > gr-grandfather, who, > > according to family stories, died in an > insane asylum in California in > > 1911. I don't have a clue WHERE in > California, and he had a very common > > name. > > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > > Stop by our associated website for Chester > County Genealogy at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Check out other counties in PA! > http://libertynet.org/~gencap/pacounties.html > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Here is what I found last night on early/ historic California insane asylums. They are listed at http://www.darkspire.org/asylums/stockton_ca, or atleast the endangered ones are! Agnews State Hospital Santa Clara County, CA e-mail jaclewis@pacbell.com. Camarillo State Hospital, Camarillo, Ventura Co, Ca.Can't be the right one as not built until 1936. Stockton State Hospital, Stockton, San Josquin County, CA. Napa State Hospital, Napa, Napa County, CA. Highland State Hospital I couldn't find a location, but e-mail of site owner is asylums@altavista.net. Also, Atascadero State Hospital is apparently a place California currently sends criminally insane. I don't know how long it's been in existence, apparently notorious but no clue of its location or its history! It is in Atacadero, CA - county would be a big help! So would founding date. I don't know for sure that these are all the state hospitals that would have been in existence in 1911. Yours, Dora --- Debra Chapman <ddchapman@prodigy.net> wrote: > Hi all, > Thanks to everyone who has offered advice. > Here is the story. I'll try to keep it brief. > :) > My gr-grandmother, Mary Ruth John was born in > Chester Co in 1857 and raised a > Quaker. She became engaged to Thomas Harrison > in 1884. He was b in England > (supposedly was raised in Bradford, Yorkshire, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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<A HREF="http://www.springhillfarm.com/broomhall/slaveown.html">Click here: Slave Owners 9/1/2000</A> http://www.springhillfarm.com/broomhall/slaveown.html Mary Jane, Brightstar Subj: Re: [PACHESTE] Re: slavery Date: 9/1/00 11:01:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: tiggernut_48@yahoo.com (Dora Smith) To: REDSKI9136@aol.com, PADELAWA-L@rootsweb.com I'm confused again - I'm answering a Pacheste posting to the PADELAWARE list. Oh well. My 3X great grandparents, John and Isabella Smith, worked for a time in London Britain township, for John Whitten Esq, a large dairy farmer and local justice of hte peace, who according to the 1790 census owned three slaves. I think he may have been one of only three people in Chester County who owned slaves. Yours, Dora Hi Dora, According to the slave owners index in the Broomall web site, there were more then 3 slave owners in Chester Co. PA. Mary Jane Brightstar

Hi all, Thanks to everyone who has offered advice. Here is the story. I'll try to keep it brief. :) My gr-grandmother, Mary Ruth John was born in Chester Co in 1857 and raised a Quaker. She became engaged to Thomas Harrison in 1884. He was b in England (supposedly was raised in Bradford, Yorkshire, but I didn't find him in the IGI with the birthdate I have) and came to the US under contract with a Railroad Co as a skilled laborer. Don't know which Railroad. She then postponed the wedding (I think there was family pressure against it) and he moved to CA with his work. A year later she traveled to CA to marry him (I have their wedding cert., looks more like she ran off, her maiden surname is spelled wrong and she gave her place of residence as Minnesota!) They were married at Lower Lake ME Church, Lower Lake, CA. Nov 28, 1885. The story I was told (her daughter, my grandmother died before I was born, my mother told me the story and her 2 brothers had never heard it, 1 believed it and 1 didn't) was that he became a successful business man in Stockton, San Francisco or Sacramento and that his business rivals, in order to bring him down a few notches, spread the rumor that his wife was having an affair. He went home and found his wife and 2 daughters, aged 12 and 10 in the parlor having tea and shot and killed his wife in front of the daughters. The daughters were sent back to Chester Co to be raised by their mother's sister. That's the story. The facts that I have found through family papers and photographs is that they lived in or near Sacramento, my grandmother attended Brighton Junction School, near Sacramento, that Thomas Harrison worked at the Union Iron Works machine shop, that he received his citizenship papers in 1894 in the County of Sacramento, there is no background info on the papers and I don't know where he started the citizenship process, I don't know how long he was in the US before he went to CA or where he was except near Chester Co for a while. All the family photos were taken in Sacramento studios. Mary Ruth John Harrison (the wife) died Oct 7, 1898 and if a photo label is correct was buried in Sacramento, but the cemetary is not named. Thomas Harrison supposedly died Dec 19, 1911, though I have seen 2 other years in family papers and my mother claimed that he died when she was a young child in the 1920's. About 4 or 5 years ago I was introduced by a very reputable person to a woman in CA who did research for modest fees. I told her the story and agreed to get a check in the mail. She did find somethings out (if she was telling th truth), that the story was true, that she had found a record of Thomas Harrison in an insane asylum in central CA (I've since lost the e-mails thru a computer crash) she didn't give me any details, she was awaiting my check and then I got a message from her that she was off to a convention in Salt Lake City, that was the last I heard from her, she never responded to any of my e-mails. I dropped it there and didn't pursue it again. Now I think that I'm ready to have a go at it but don't know where to start from my isolated corner of Kentucky. Debbie "Mary Helen E. Chrisman" wrote: > Hi Debbie, > The only California asylum that I know of off hand was Agnews State Asylum > for the Insane near San Jose in Santa Clara County. You might try tracking > your gr-grandfather in the 1910 census. My gr-gr-uncle turned up as an > "inmate" at Agnews in the 1920 census (Agnews was listed as its own > district). I haven't followed up with the info so I'm not any help on the > next step yet. Good luck. - Mary Helen > > -----Original Message----- > > I am interested in this topic also. I have a gr-grandfather, who, > according to family stories, died in an insane asylum in California in > 1911. I don't have a clue WHERE in California, and he had a very common > name. > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm

In a message dated 9/1/00 4:19:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Booboopies@aol.com writes: << Thank you so much for explaining the difference between slavery and indentured servitude. Indentured servitude has been widely studied by a number of PhDs, with many books published on the topic containing lots and lots of tables and erudite thinking and writing. >> Hi Karen, I really enjoyed this post. It is very informative. I have learned a few things , that I did not know.Would it be ok for me to send to my list. I think they would really enjoy it. Mary Jane Bright Star

In a message dated 9/1/00 3:36:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, phssra@physics.emory.edu writes: << Slavery was practiced in all of the colonies, irrespective of the Mason-Dixon line. It was only outlawed in the Northern states between 1777 and 1804. This was easier for them to accomplish because slavery was not as interwined in their economies as it was in the South. >> Hi, Do you by chance know how far north and west slavery was used? Mary Jane, Brightstar

There actually were about five state psychiatric asylums in California. I copied and pasted to a file and saved it - I pretty much identified town and county where these hospitals are located. Had a little trouble with when some of them were founded. Atleast three were around in 1911. One of them has an e-mail address where one can write to them. Yours, Dora __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

One other thing: What was the guy's name? Dora --- "Mary Helen E. Chrisman" <mhtruck@gilroy.com> wrote: > Hi Debbie, > The only California asylum that I know of off > hand was Agnews State Asylum > for the Insane near San Jose in Santa Clara > County. You might try tracking > your gr-grandfather in the 1910 census. My > gr-gr-uncle turned up as an > "inmate" at Agnews in the 1920 census (Agnews > was listed as its own > district). I haven't followed up with the info > so I'm not any help on the > next step yet. Good luck. - Mary Helen > > -----Original Message----- > > I am interested in this topic also. I have a > gr-grandfather, who, > according to family stories, died in an insane > asylum in California in > 1911. I don't have a clue WHERE in California, > and he had a very common > name. > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Stop by our associated website for Chester > County Genealogy at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Mary Helen: I can check 1910 census tomorrow; can you tell me exactly where in Santa Clara County to look? If it was "near" San Jose, what township or ED ws it in? Yours, Dora --- "Mary Helen E. Chrisman" <mhtruck@gilroy.com> wrote: > Hi Debbie, > The only California asylum that I know of off > hand was Agnews State Asylum > for the Insane near San Jose in Santa Clara > County. You might try tracking > your gr-grandfather in the 1910 census. My > gr-gr-uncle turned up as an > "inmate" at Agnews in the 1920 census (Agnews > was listed as its own > district). I haven't followed up with the info > so I'm not any help on the > next step yet. Good luck. - Mary Helen > > -----Original Message----- > > I am interested in this topic also. I have a > gr-grandfather, who, > according to family stories, died in an insane > asylum in California in > 1911. I don't have a clue WHERE in California, > and he had a very common > name. > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Stop by our associated website for Chester > County Genealogy at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

http://www.boston.com/freearchives/ The boston globe is offering free searches on line for one month in case anyone is interested Dotty Pass it on -- mailto:mouserwitz@mediaone.net http://home.att.net/~mouserwitz ICQ13502416

I think this may depend on when the contract was. Tehre seem to have been compiled records of indentured servants prior to a certain date. I don't think that included apprenctices, though, they were indentured in a very different sense of teh word. Yours,] Dora --- Sharon Sheldon <slsheldon@earthlink.net> wrote: > Karen, > > Thanks for your very interesting and > informative message re above. > > Is it your understanding that the contracts > between the servant/apprentice > and the 'owner' were just between them or was > there information on file at > the county or township level for these > contracts? > > Thanks, > Sharon > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Stop by our associated website for Chester > County Genealogy at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

This fellow ought to be in the 1910 census, in that asylum, if he was in there at that date. If you knew what township or city, I might well be able to find it. Where was he in 1900? I think that 1900 census had the best records of, for instance, peoples' dates of birth, they actually pinned it down to the month. No clue WHERE in California? Whoops! I would get the 1910 census soundex index for California. Though he could be in the census and not in the soundex. The soundex did, however, list people who did not have children under 10. I've been using it a fair amount. I have access only to the ones for Texas where I am, though. Also, I would find out where there were insane asylums in California in 1910. I bet there weren't very many! Finally, there must have been publicity of those murders. I would find out where you might find media coverage and court records - given you don't know what locality. I gather he killed your great grandmother - where did she die, and where is she buried? This must be where the crime occurred, and probably where he was tried! The court records would show to what facility he was sent! If you follow the trail to where your great grandmother was killed or is likely to have lived when she was killed, you'll be on the trail of your great grandfather. If the asylum is still there, they might atleast tell you when he was born and died, also how you might get whatever records there were. I know from researching my great grandmother in Massachusetts that they weren't always detailed. And they could be wrong. On hearing my great grandmother, who came from Montreal, rave that her family were English, the staff at the hospital where she was decided her father's family must have been French - and put what they wrongly thought was a French version of her name on her death certificate - even gave it to her parents! It turns out to be her father's Scotch Irish background she was trying to deny. Also, you should be able to get the death certificate. I found my great grandmother's actual English-born mother's birth, and the records for her entire family - in the Mormon IGI! Many of England's church records have been variously filmed and indexed by the Mormons. Later, one of two existing copies of her father's death certificate confirmed where they were from in England. In Montreal, you had to watch out for multiple versions of any document. Also, check the records of the cemetery where he is buried, and the records of teh funeral home, if available - you could be surprised what they sometimes know! It was the CEMETERY that told me my great grandmother's father died of alcoholism. This wasn't on the death certificates. Either of them. Also, if he murdered his wife, you might possibly learn alot from local police and court records, and the media. Yours, Dora --- Debra Chapman <ddchapman@prodigy.net> wrote: > I am interested in this topic also. I have a > gr-grandfather, who, > according to family stories, died in an insane > asylum in California in > 1911. Since he was a immigrant from England, I > have hoped that records > might have some information about his family or > where he came from. I > just never have had an idea as to how to > proceed. I don't have a clue > WHERE in California, and he had a very common > name. And, yes, the > family did cover it up, only my mother was > told, and I'm the only one in > my generation who was told. But, they had more > of a reason to cover it > up, he murdered his wife. > Debbie > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Stop by our associated website for Chester > County Genealogy at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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My 3X great grandparents, John and Isabella Smith, worked for a time in London Britain township, for John Whitten Esq, a large dairy farmer and local justice of hte peace, who according to the 1790 census owned three slaves. I think he may have been one of only three people in Chester County who owned slaves. Yours, Dora --- REDSKI9136@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/31/00 9:14:25 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > o2bab@bedford.net writes: > > << Interesting comment on little girl sold > (seld indenture for x number of > years) to Caleb Pusey. My Alexander Ross was > stolen off the streets of > either Scotland or Northern Ireland and was > indentured to Caleb Pusey at age > of 12. Alexander Ross became a man of great > wealth. He moved from Chester > Co with a whole group of Quakers to found > Hopewell Meeting in VA. > >> > > Hi Cathy, > > I was interduced to a web site, in > the last day or so,that > mentions many of our Pa. residents that owned > slaves. It also list many of > their names. I have to admit that learning > about this site, has really thrown > me a bit. Many of my own family's names are > listed their as slaveowners. I > guess I have a lot to learn. I always thought > that slavery was from the > MASON-DIXON line down into the south.I knew > that it extended into Maryland > and that Delaware, seemed to stay nuetral. > Though I knew of the many > Indentured Slaves, I never knew our state was a > slave owning state. Anyway, > this site can be found at (DCGS) and I thank > Anne Weigel, for letting me know > about it. > > > <A > HREF="http://www.springhillfarm.com/broomhall/african.html">Click > here: > African-American Ches & Del Co Update > 2/19/2000</A> > http://www.springhillfarm.com/broomhall/african.html > > > > Mary Jane, > > Bright Star > > > ==== PADELAWA Mailing List ==== > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/