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    1. Re: [PACHESTE] Check out Slave Owners 9/1/200
    2. Dora Smith
    3. Mary Jane: I looked. Just three of them, huh? !!!!!!!! Another news flash- the slave owners for London Britain township reads like a directory of Welsh (Old School) Baptists in the township. Jones, Evans, Davis, Whitten/Whitting. Now, I'm curious about my ancestors' environment. What kind of people were these? I know they owned alot of land, but so did the Quakers and Presbyterians immediately around them who owned alot of land! Yours, Dora --- REDSKI9136@aol.com wrote: > <A > HREF="http://www.springhillfarm.com/broomhall/slaveown.html">Click > here: > Slave Owners 9/1/2000</A> > http://www.springhillfarm.com/broomhall/slaveown.html > > Mary > Jane, Brightstar > > > Subj: Re: [PACHESTE] Re: slavery > Date: 9/1/00 11:01:27 PM Eastern Daylight > Time > From: tiggernut_48@yahoo.com (Dora Smith) > To: REDSKI9136@aol.com, PADELAWA-L@rootsweb.com > > I'm confused again - I'm answering a Pacheste > posting to the PADELAWARE list. Oh well. > > My 3X great grandparents, John and Isabella > Smith, worked for a time in London Britain > township, for John Whitten Esq, a large dairy > farmer and local justice of hte peace, who > according to the 1790 census owned three > slaves. > I think he may have been one of only three > people > in Chester County who owned slaves. > > Yours, > Dora > > Hi Dora, > > According to the slave owners index > in the Broomall web site, > there were more then 3 slave owners in Chester > Co. PA. > > > Mary Jane > > Brightstar > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Stop by our associated website for Chester > County Genealogy at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

    09/03/2000 01:11:45
    1. [PACHESTE] Re: Check out Slave Owners 9/1/200
    2. Dora Smith
    3. Mary Jane: I looked. Just three of them, huh? !!!!!!!! Another news flash- the slave owners for London Britain township reads like a directory of Welsh (Old School) Baptists in the township. Jones, Evans, Davis, Whitten/Whitting. Now, I'm curious about my ancestors' environment. What kind of people were these? I know they owned alot of land, but so did the Quakers and Presbyterians immediately around them who owned alot of land! Yours, Dora --- REDSKI9136@aol.com wrote: > <A > HREF="http://www.springhillfarm.com/broomhall/slaveown.html">Click > here: > Slave Owners 9/1/2000</A> > http://www.springhillfarm.com/broomhall/slaveown.html > > Mary > Jane, Brightstar > > > Subj: Re: [PACHESTE] Re: slavery > Date: 9/1/00 11:01:27 PM Eastern Daylight > Time > From: tiggernut_48@yahoo.com (Dora Smith) > To: REDSKI9136@aol.com, PADELAWA-L@rootsweb.com > > I'm confused again - I'm answering a Pacheste > posting to the PADELAWARE list. Oh well. > > My 3X great grandparents, John and Isabella > Smith, worked for a time in London Britain > township, for John Whitten Esq, a large dairy > farmer and local justice of hte peace, who > according to the 1790 census owned three > slaves. > I think he may have been one of only three > people > in Chester County who owned slaves. > > Yours, > Dora > > Hi Dora, > > According to the slave owners index > in the Broomall web site, > there were more then 3 slave owners in Chester > Co. PA. > > > Mary Jane > > Brightstar > > > ==== PADELAWA Mailing List ==== > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

    09/03/2000 01:10:13
    1. Re: [PACHESTE] Chester Co. Research Locations
    2. H. R. Worthington
    3. The Chester County Historical Society: http://www.chestercohistorical.org/ -- _____________________________________________ Russ Mailto:rworthington@worldnet.att.net

    09/03/2000 11:54:44
    1. [PACHESTE] Chester Co. Research Locations
    2. C. Victor Evins
    3. I plan to visit Chester Co. soon to do some research. What are the best locations for searching the records, etc.?

    09/03/2000 11:32:30
    1. [PACHESTE] Re: Indentures
    2. Diana Quinones
    3. For all who may not know, Ancestry.com has a file "Philadelphia, PA Indentures, 1771-1773". This is searchable by name and also gives a column for 'whom indentured; residence; occupation; term; amt; and date.' Of course you have to be a member of Ancestry.com. Although it is only for a three year span, it is interesting that this was before our War of Independence. Seems many people came to America sponsored by someone here with a promise to learn a trade. In some cases, their passage was paid for by their sponsor. One of my step-kin from Ireland was indentured by Samuel Savage for 3 years to learn the iron forge business. He wound up running the place and marrying Samuel's widow! Diana

    09/03/2000 09:41:12
    1. [PACHESTE] Native American Roots
    2. Suzanne J. Moller
    3. Dear List members, I have very good reason to believe that the first of my ancestors, surname SILPATH, was a Native American. The area is around the Burlington, NJ area. I know from history books that there was a very large population of Native Americans in that area in the Colonial times. The family story (known and told by each branch - even though the branches didn't know one another), is that the first SILPATH was a Native American and that he fell in love and married a colonial girl. He then changed his name from Silver Path to Silpath. I don't know how to research that information. Can anyone give me guidance? The earliest Silpaths that I have proof of date to about 1740's. I can't find the name on Ship records. All Silpaths that I do find are definitely related. There is only ONE Silpath family. Any guidance that anyone can provide is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Suzanne

    09/03/2000 07:29:39
    1. [PACHESTE] Rutherfords
    2. Hi, I'm new to this list and looking for Rutherfords. Specifically those who may have moved to Bucks or Phila counties. Here is what I have: Hannah Rutherford, b. 1832, marr Achilleas Morgan 1848. Her mother was Elizabeth ???. b. 1808, d. 1885. Elizabeth lived with Hannah at the end of her life and all are buried in Bucks county. No other children listed in Elizabeth's will. Possible husband for Elizabeth is John Rutherford, no dates. A John Rutherford and wife Elizabeth had a dau Rebecca who marr William S Bailey who lived in Phila but died before 1870. Looks like grandma Elizabeth was living in this household in 1870. Two other children of John and Elizabeth G Rutherford were Esther Stewart Rutherford who d at age 11 in 1846 and William John Bell Rutherford who also d at age 11 in 1844. At the time they died all were living in Phila Co. Cannot find Elizabeth or John anywhere in PA in 1850 census unless they split up. Perhaps they came from Chester County. Does anyone have any information or leads at all? Sure would be wonderful to break down this brick wall. Thanks in advance for any help. Diane in CO

    09/03/2000 06:00:12
    1. Re: [PACHESTE] Indentured Servants
    2. Hi, William, Here in PA convicts were being sold right along with people who were binding themselves out to pay for their passage. They were treated all the same, which is to say, not particularly well. Anyone in this topic should read Section II of Bernard Baylin's _Voyagers to the West_. Section II is about the labor force that was needed in the colonies to help build the British Empire in North America. It is quite good. Apparently, as Baylin writes, the concept of selling people into servitude, even though it was limited to a number of years (convicts for 7, other individuals usually for 4), was unknown in Europe, and European visitors to this country thought it appalling that white men, women, and children were sold as if they were livestock. Evidently, it didn't bother them that blacks were being sold as if they were livestock. Karen Greim Mullian booboopies@aol.com

    09/02/2000 03:15:10
    1. Re: [PACHESTE] Indentured Servants
    2. Scott Anderson
    3. On Saturday, September 2, 2000, William D. Allen Sr. <ballensr@home.com> wrote: > There is another category of "indentured servants" in addition to the ones > you cite. Many people were brought to the colonies in chains. They were > convicts, many of whom were exiled to Australia as well as here in North > American, primarily in Georgia. Their crime might have been more than > stealing a handkerchief, or even food to keep their family from starving. While such individuals were definitely common in the British colonies, my reference also draws a distinction between them and indentured servants, calling them "debt slaves", due to the involuntary nature of their servitude. Like indentured servants, however, they did have an expectation of being released from their obligation after a stated period of time. Because they were criminals they were probably not treated as well as indentured servants, or even as well as slaves, who as permanent "property" were more valuable. S R C A cott obert ranston nderson phssra@physics.emory.edu

    09/02/2000 09:48:59
    1. Re: [PACHESTE] Conceptions of mental illnesses and other socially unacceptable things,
    2. Scott Anderson
    3. On Friday, September 1, 2000, Dora Smith <tiggernut_48@yahoo.com> wrote: > My father's people had a strange streak. Forgot he was half German, for > instance. It got changed to French. In the U.S. and Great Britain, denial of German ancestry, at least of recent vintage, was very common in the 1910s, due to World War I and the anti-German feeling it engendered. Many people anglicized or otherwise changed their inherited German surnames. The most famous case was the British monarchy, who changed the dynastic name from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor. S R C A cott obert ranston nderson phssra@physics.emory.edu

    09/02/2000 09:48:59
    1. Re: [PACHESTE] Re: PACHESTE-D Digest V00 #281
    2. Gail Steckel
    3. There is a town called Blue Ball in Lancaster County, PA. It is in the same area as Intercourse and Paradise, eastern Lancaster County. -----Original Message----- From: CarBurCo@aol.com <CarBurCo@aol.com> To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, September 02, 2000 8:29 AM Subject: [PACHESTE] Re: PACHESTE-D Digest V00 #281 > >Marj, > > Thanks for the info. I think you may be right about more than one Blue Ball >Inn. In fact there may have been three or four. I wonder if we can find out >about that. Blue Ball Road in Cecil County MD could have originally lead to >one. Was there ever a place called Blue Ball, PA? The John Rudolph who was >said to have been owner (or maybe it was Innkeeper?) at one time, was called >"John of Darby" in family notes, so one would think that THAT Blue Ball Inn >was somewhere near DARBY Pa, wouldn't one? Also mentioned in some family >notes is "Chester Road." > >Carole > >In a message dated 9/1/00 11:38:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >PACHESTE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > ><< "marjw" <marjw@pamlico.net> > To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <000101c01437$6735a6a0$a366f5cd@pamlico.net> > Subject: [PACHESTE] BLUE BALL INN > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > There must have been more than one Blue Ball Inn. The one at Daylesford, E. > of Paoli, is still standing, is a lovely home, and has been there since > early days. I have a copy of Brief of Title to the Ball Farm which included > the Inn. Also, recent photos of the Inn. It is on Russell Road, Tredyffrin > Twp, just behind Daylesford Station on the Paoli Local, not far West of > Irish Road and Conestoga High School. Picture and details available if > anyone wants them. > > > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > >

    09/02/2000 05:59:40
    1. Re: [PACHESTE] Indentured Servants
    2. William D. Allen Sr.
    3. Hello Scott, There is another category of "indentured servants" in addition to the ones you cite. Many people were brought to the colonies in chains. They were convicts, many of whom were exiled to Australia as well as here in North American, primarily in Georgia. Their crime might have been more than stealing a handkerchief, or even food to keep their family from starving. Generally they could work their way out of servitude but they were not allowed return to Great Britain, as one case in point. If caught back in England they would be hanged. But then in the 1700s judges in England were hanging dogs, pigs, even small children. "They Came In Chains" [I don't remember the author's name] is one book on the subject. My great grandfather, William Martin Allen, was indentured to learn the blacksmithing trade. His indenture was terminated by the Civil War but he worked as a blacksmith all his adult life. Yours truly, William Dale Allen Sr. ballensr@home.com end ----- Original Message ----- From: <Booboopies@aol.com> To: <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 1:16 PM Subject: [PACHESTE] Indentured Servants > Dear Scott, > > Thank you so much for explaining the difference between slavery and indentured servitude. Indentured servitude has been widely studied by a number of PhDs, with many books published on the topic containing lots and lots of tables and erudite thinking and writing. > > There were three types of indentured servitude, those who agreed to sell themselves (and/or their families) into service for a specific length of time in order to pay their passage from Europe; redemptioners who were mostly German, were purchased by the ship's master (sometimes a ship owner) to be redeemed or resold upon their arrival in the colonies either at the dock or schlepped en masse around the countryside by "soul drivers" or "soul sellers"; and apprentices (yes, folks, these, too, were indentured servants!) who were bound to a master or mistress to learn a trade. Indenture means a contract and is also used in land transactions; apprentices had to abide by the same rules and regulations as other indentured servants which is why I include them in the indentured population. > > I have encountered records where children as young as 18 months are bound out or indentured until the age of 21. Usually, these are orphans or children of parents truly too poor to care for them. In the 1740s there were gangs of men who would sweep through poor villages in Scotland and snatch up little children to sell into service in the colonies. > > Life in the 17th and 18th centuries was hard and cruel (though not as short as some like to think), so don't be shocked to hear these things. Indentured servitude was a cheap and easy way to remove oneself from far worse circumstances in Europe. From my research into runaway indentured servants, I'm convinced that many of those who sold themselves into bondage had absolutely no intention of remaining indentured for their full term which accounts for the proliferation of runaways. As soon as they set foot in America, you'd better believe some of them took to the hills as fast as they could. > > On the other hand, whole families bound themselves in an effort to stay together. If a farmer or a manufactorerr had no family of his own, this was an ideal setup. In the case of those children I mentioned earlier, some were brought up as family members, almost all of them had some form of schooling, and were taught farming, housewifery, and other occupations that would provide them with trades that would support them as adults. > > George Gesner of Ridley was younger than 14 years old when his master Col. Caleb Davis died at the early 19th century. We know this because Davis's will has a guardian appointed for the boy. George must have been highly thought of by Col. Davis because Davis bequeathed his considerable property in Phila. to George when he came of age. From servant to gentleman with the stroke of a pen. This sort of case is undoubtedly the unusual, and most indentured servants lived lives of dull drudgery until their term was up. At which time they would be given their freedom dues, clothing, farm tools, sometimes a Bible. Some bound themselves out over and over to different masters to be kept gainfully employed. Others became day laborers, shopkeepers, artisans. The opportunities for servants once their term was complete to make their way in the world were far greater here in America than in Europe where if you were poor, you generally remained poor. > > Karen Greim Mullian > booboopies@aol.com > > > In a message dated Fri, 1 Sep 2000 3:36:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Scott Anderson <phssra@physics.emory.edu> writes: > > << On Friday, September 1, 2000, REDSKI9136@aol.com wrote: > > I was interduced to a web site, in the last day or so,that > > mentions many of our Pa. residents that owned slaves. It also list many of > > their names. I have to admit that learning about this site, has really > > thrown me a bit. Many of my own family's names are listed their as > > slaveowners. I guess I have a lot to learn. I always thought that slavery > > was from the MASON-DIXON line down into the south.I knew that it extended > > into Maryland and that Delaware, seemed to stay nuetral. > > Slavery was practiced in all of the colonies, irrespective of the Mason-Dixon line. It was only outlawed in the Northern states between 1777 and 1804. This was easier for them to accomplish because slavery was not as interwined in their economies as it was in the South. > > > Though I knew of the many Indentured Slaves, I never knew our state was a > > slave owning state. > > There is a distinction between Indentured Servitude (the correct term) and Slavery. The former was generally entered into willingly through an indenture, "a contract binding one party into the service of another for a specified term". Slavery was almost always involuntary, and the slave was considered property. See, for example, <http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/7/0,5716,117527+1+109538,00.html> . > > S R C A > cott obert ranston nderson > phssra@physics.emory.edu > > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > > > >> > > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Check out other counties in PA! > http://libertynet.org/~gencap/pacounties.html > > > >

    09/02/2000 05:51:09
    1. [PACHESTE] Esther Guthrie (1802-1864), daughter of William
    2. Mary Harris
    3. Esther has been one of my dead-ends forever, so if anyone can help me find her parents, I'd be delighted. She was born 8/28/1802, probably in Chester County and her father was William Guthrie, said to be of Chester county. On 12/20/1827, she married Robert Wilson Moore and they subsequently moved to Centre county, where she died on 4/29/1864. Has anyone seen Esther in their travels? -Mary

    09/02/2000 04:43:08
    1. [PACHESTE] [Admin] Let's get back on track
    2. Mary Harris
    3. Thanks, Barbara. We do seem to be straying off-topic a bit too often lately here. Let's keep focused a bit closer to our area, please, folks. And while we're on that subject, let's please stop cross-posting to both this list and the Delaware County list as well; we've already seen how confusing that can be. While there are times that both lists should receive the post, the vast majority of these recent cross-posts should have been directed at only one of the lists. Also, PLEASE, let's be a bit more careful with the cutting and pasting from HTML. We're seeing an enormous amount of extraneous HTML type content in some recent posts that increases the size of these posts way beyond where they should be. If you're not sure how a post will look when it goes out to the list, try sending it to yourself first to see if it includes a bunch of weird excess stuff, like "%" and so on. If it does, please clean it up before sending it out to the entire list. The main reason this list has the option set to have replies go to the original sender by default rather than the entire list is to give us all a moment to reflect on our posts before sending them to the whole list. Please evaluate your posts, folks, before hitting send, and ask yourself if what you're saying is related to our area or not. Does it add to the discussion in some way? Will others benefit from the post? If not, please send it privately. This is a very large mailing list, with over 600 members. We need to keep this in mind, and not treat this list as a very large chat room. Let's get back on track a bit and concentrate on Chester county genealogy. Be gentle with each other. Off on a different topic, though related: I've just updated the Cemeteries section of the Chester County Genealogy site (http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chetgrav.htm) so that each page now displays 25 records at a time rather than trying to pull in all the records at once. I know some folks have had problems with some of the larger cemeteries listings, so hopefully that difficulty is now history. If you see a cemetery listed that doesn't have address information and you have that address, please let me know so I can update the database. Or if you know of a cemetery that is not listed and can provide address and denomination information, please send that to me as well. I'm also interested in Church addresses, for anyone who can add to our knowledge there as well. Thanks for listening, gang. -Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara McCormick <bjmac@wilmington.net> To: <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [PACHESTE] Insane asylums > Is there a California in Chester County? Let's keep this to Chester > County emails, please. I'm sure you two can email between yourselves > without involving the whole list. I sure would appreciate it. > > Barbara > in Wilmington, NC > > > Dora Smith wrote: > > > Here is what I found last night on early/ > > historic California insane asylums. They are > > listed at > > http://www.darkspire.org/asylums/stockton_ca, or > > atleast the endangered ones are! > > > > Agnews State Hospital Santa Clara County, CA > > e-mail jaclewis@pacbell.com. > > > > Camarillo State Hospital, Camarillo, Ventura Co, > > Ca.Can't be the right one as not built until > > 1936. > > > > Stockton State Hospital, Stockton, San Josquin > > County, CA. > > > > Napa State Hospital, Napa, Napa County, CA. > > > > Highland State Hospital I couldn't find a > > location, but e-mail of site owner is > > asylums@altavista.net. > > > > Also, Atascadero State Hospital is apparently a > > place California currently sends criminally > > insane. I don't know how long it's been in > > existence, apparently notorious but no clue of > > its location or its history! It is in Atacadero, > > CA - county would be a big help! So would > > founding date. > > > > I don't know for sure that these are all the > > state hospitals that would have been in existence > > in 1911. > > > > Yours, > > Dora > > > > > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Visit the PA GenWeb Archives at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/pafiles.htm > > > > >

    09/02/2000 04:04:41
    1. [PACHESTE] re: insane asylums: Thomas Harrison
    2. Dora Smith
    3. Found him again. 1900 Census, U.S. CA: San Joaquin County, Stockton Township, Stockton City, Stockton State Hospital. Enumeration date not given, supposed to hve been June. ED 166, sheet 15, line 83. Harrison, Thomas, patient. WM date of birth unknown, age 40, widowed with some note like Hi. Place of birth England, parents place of birth unknown. Year of immigration to US, no of years in US, naturalization all unknown. able to read, write and speak English. I think that if you know all of the stuff you do from family records that presumably survive from before the murder, like, who had them but the Mr. and Mrs. Harrison, the authorities and the people at teh state hospital certainly had more info on this man than they troubled to look up for the census, and if the people at the State Hospital didn't care enough to write more than a page, ever, about him, which was the case when my great grandmotehr died at Northampton State Hospital in Massachusetts in the 1920's, then it would be in the police or court recrords. Tehre is also a Frank P Harrison b England, nothing much known about him. Might or might not be coincidence; in 15 pages I found only these two Harrison's, and none at all in 1910 besides yours. On that supposed Yorkshire birth and the IGI; a great many English church records could not be filmed by the Mormons, and many more are not in the IGI. Look on th e Genuki sites (their version of Rootsweb). Also, under local history centers. You can get church records on microfilm or fiche from England that hte Mormons do not have. You might also be able to get someone to check church records whose people in control of them would not let them be filmed. In Yorkshire in mid last century, people were belonging to every sort of sect, particularly Methodist. Try asking about Harrison family on the Genuki and Rootsweb lists for YOrkshire, too. Yours, Dora __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

    09/02/2000 03:48:37
    1. [PACHESTE] RE: Western Pennsylvania Family Groups Genealogies
    2. Greetings, I have the following detailed Genealogical Biographies transcribed on my site: http://www.geocities.com/geojenk/ Western Pennsylvania Family Groups. These are groups of families that settled in the W. Pa. area from other parts of the world and the US. The info provided is very detailed. Some of them have photos plus there are more than these in that section as I am still woring on it. Gorham Family Rose Family Densmore Family Wigman Family Mayer Family Lovett Family Dorleman Family Burkman Family Diehl Family Sherwin Family Brennan Family Wagner Family Butler Family Holosnyay Family Ball Family Lippert Family Herbel Family Adams Family Boyle Family Kennedy Family Walker Family Speer Family Spillman Family Augustin Family Englehardt Family Morgan Family Rothrauff Family McGreevy Family Hissrich Family Koughan Family Knox Family Wagner Family White Family McWilliams Family Longmore Family Flanagan Family McCombs Family Porter Family Maurhoff Family Edgar Family Leard Family Dunbar Family Morris Family King Family Gephardt Family Jones Family There is also a very large collection of old pics of McKeesport circa 1930s My site is not commercial. This is info I have come across while doing research on my hometown that I want to share. These are located in my "All Things McKeesport" Section Good Luck!! George Jenkins

    09/02/2000 03:02:13
    1. Re: [PACHESTE] Insane asylums
    2. Barbara McCormick
    3. Is there a California in Chester County? Let's keep this to Chester County emails, please. I'm sure you two can email between yourselves without involving the whole list. I sure would appreciate it. Barbara in Wilmington, NC Dora Smith wrote: > Here is what I found last night on early/ > historic California insane asylums. They are > listed at > http://www.darkspire.org/asylums/stockton_ca, or > atleast the endangered ones are! > > Agnews State Hospital Santa Clara County, CA > e-mail jaclewis@pacbell.com. > > Camarillo State Hospital, Camarillo, Ventura Co, > Ca.Can't be the right one as not built until > 1936. > > Stockton State Hospital, Stockton, San Josquin > County, CA. > > Napa State Hospital, Napa, Napa County, CA. > > Highland State Hospital I couldn't find a > location, but e-mail of site owner is > asylums@altavista.net. > > Also, Atascadero State Hospital is apparently a > place California currently sends criminally > insane. I don't know how long it's been in > existence, apparently notorious but no clue of > its location or its history! It is in Atacadero, > CA - county would be a big help! So would > founding date. > > I don't know for sure that these are all the > state hospitals that would have been in existence > in 1911. > > Yours, > Dora >

    09/02/2000 03:01:09
    1. [PACHESTE] re: insane asylums: Thomas Harrison
    2. Dora Smith
    3. Got him. 1910 Census. CA: Can Joaquin Co, Oneal Township, City of Stockton, Stockton State Hospital. Enumeration Date: 22 Apr 1810 ED 146 sheet 13 line 66. Harrison, Thos M W 51 something that looks like M with W over it for marital status (chuckle). Born England. Birthplace of father and mother unknown. Occupation blank (like everyone else's). Year of immigration to US: check mark. Naturalized or alien, date of naturalization: check mark. Very funny. Native language: English. Will now look for him in 1900 in Stockton state hospital and Sacramento State Prison. It cannot be assumed he was ruled certifiable when he was convicted of the murder. Yours, Dora __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

    09/02/2000 02:43:45
    1. Re: [PACHESTE] Would ships records for ship of ancestor to New Castle, be in Philadelphia?
    2. Scott Anderson
    3. On Thursday, August 31, 2000, Dora Smith <tiggernut_48@yahoo.com> wrote: > My ancestors, John and Isabella Smith, came from > Ireland,and landed at New Castle, Delaware. > sometime between 1787 and 1797. New Castle lost > all its ships' records in a fire. But I > understand that most ships carrying Scotch Irish > immigrants who got off the ship at New Castle, > were in fact bound for Philadelphia. I don't > know if it cost more to go on to Philadelphia, or > what, I can't remember what is the story to why > so many people got off at New Castle. I would be curious to know this, too. One thing to keep in mind is that New Castle was at that time a very large port as well, so where one got off probably had more to do with where one intended to end up (Pennsylvania or Maryland/Virginia), as opposed to now, where Phily is a "destination" and New Castle can be hard to find on a map. > Even though JOhn and Isabella Smith got off the > ship at New Castle, if the ship they were on was > bound for Philadelphia, would they be on the > ship's list in Philadelphia? Not likely, because the records you are probably going to find are port records, not ship records. S R C A cott obert ranston nderson phssra@physics.emory.edu

    09/02/2000 02:38:32
    1. RE: [PACHESTE] Re: slavery
    2. Anne Wiegle
    3. Hi Dora- There were lots more than 3 people in Chester Co. in 1790 who owned slaves. Look at my list of slave owners on my web page "African-Americans in Chester & Delaware Counties." <www.springhillfarm.com/broomhall/slaveown.html> Anne Wiegle -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith [SMTP:tiggernut_48@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 11:02 PM To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACHESTE] Re: slavery My 3X great grandparents, John and Isabella Smith, worked for a time in London Britain township, for John Whitten Esq, a large dairy farmer and local justice of hte peace, who according to the 1790 census owned three slaves. I think he may have been one of only three people in Chester County who owned slaves. Yours, Dora --- REDSKI9136@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/31/00 9:14:25 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > o2bab@bedford.net writes: > > << Interesting comment on little girl sold > (seld indenture for x number of > years) to Caleb Pusey. My Alexander Ross was > stolen off the streets of > either Scotland or Northern Ireland and was > indentured to Caleb Pusey at age > of 12. Alexander Ross became a man of great > wealth. He moved from Chester > Co with a whole group of Quakers to found > Hopewell Meeting in VA. > >> > > Hi Cathy, > > I was interduced to a web site, in > the last day or so,that > mentions many of our Pa. residents that owned > slaves. It also list many of > their names. I have to admit that learning > about this site, has really thrown > me a bit. Many of my own family's names are > listed their as slaveowners. I > guess I have a lot to learn. I always thought > that slavery was from the > MASON-DIXON line down into the south.I knew > that it extended into Maryland > and that Delaware, seemed to stay nuetral. > Though I knew of the many > Indentured Slaves, I never knew our state was a > slave owning state. Anyway, > this site can be found at (DCGS) and I thank > Anne Weigel, for letting me know > about it. > > > <A > HREF="http://www.springhillfarm.com/broomhall/african.html">Click > here: > African-American Ches & Del Co Update > 2/19/2000</A> > http://www.springhillfarm.com/broomhall/african.html > > > > Mary Jane, > > Bright Star > > > ==== PADELAWA Mailing List ==== > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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