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    1. Re: [PACHESTE] Evelyn Glenn and List
    2. Florence Cannariato
    3. "Sam D. Lawson" wrote: > Evelyn Glenn/David A Heiden- > > I may be able to give someone a big Christmas gift very early this year...I have it that there was a Samuel DOAK who lived and died in County Antrim of the Province of Ulster, Ireland. If this is your DOAK line, he would have son, James DOAK and wife, Elizabeth, who came to America with their seven children. In 1741, John, Samuel, David, and Thankful DOAK received land grants from William BEVERLY in "BEVERLY MANOR", Augusta County, Va. Samuel had 647 acres, John had 320 acres, and David had 320 acres. > > Please check the book, "THE HISTORY OF GREENVILLE, VIRGINIA", by John W. BRAKE, 1994. There are too many DOAKS in there not to have some connection. And remember the PA/VA problems... > > Sam: I think I can add to this line. Thankful Doak was named "Thankful" because she was born at sea and survived. She married John Finley, who was born in Ireland in 1706 and died in Augusta Co., Va. in 1773. John's father was James Finley, who was born in Ireland and died in 1753 in Cumberland Co., Pa. John's mother was Elizabeth Patterson. The Scotch-Irish settlers, of which these people were a part, started four schools: First Dr. William Tennent's College at Neshominy, Pa. in 1726, second, Dr. Francis Alison's school at New London, third was Dr. Samuel Blair's school at Faggs monor, about 1740, and fourth, Rev. Samuel Finley's school at Nottingham, Cecil County, Md., 1744. Florence

    09/10/2000 03:29:58
    1. [PACHESTE] Cities starting w/G Thanks!
    2. MICHELLE ROSS
    3. Hi everyone. Just wanted to thank all of you kind people for your responses to my question of cities starting with a 'G'. I have a few to look into now. You guys are as always...Great! Thanks! Michelle

    09/10/2000 02:14:50
    1. [PACHESTE] William ABEL
    2. Bobbi Robert
    3. I am looking for the parents of William ABEL, born about 1830 in Phoenixville PA. He married J Dorothea (Dora, Dorothy) DENNE about 1860 or before. Dorothea was born about 1838 in Germany. Her parents are also unknown I do not know if the DENNE family was ever in Chester Co. William and Dorothea were in Pittsburgh, Allegheny Co, PA by March, 1862 when their daughter Mary was born. Other children from this marriage were Jane Tomlison, Alice, M Willie, and possibly Sam. William and Dorothy died in Beaver Falls, PA in 1900 and 1896, and are buried in Homewood Cemetery, Pittsburgh. Any help with this family would be greatly appreciated. Bobbi McGough Robert

    09/10/2000 11:04:03
    1. [PACHESTE] RE: 1840 census
    2. Would someone out there have access to a copy of the 1840 Chester Co. census, that would posibly have some time to checkout a name for me? I'm looking for GGGrandfather John RIGHTER. At the time of the census he would be about 39 years old. He had a wife and 1 son about 5 years old and possibly another son 1-3 years old. Any information would b greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Jacqui (Righter) Baylis Researching: RIGHTER, BANES, MEWS or MEWES

    09/10/2000 10:03:47
    1. [PACHESTE] FERGUSON/WASSON/GRAY
    2. Debra Chapman
    3. I am searching for Robert WASSON born in Lancaster Co, Pa in 1854/58 but moved to Chester Co sometime before 1923. An obit states Robt WASSON of Kennett Square in 1923. His parents are James WASSON born in Ireland and Elizabeth MCGARVEY born in Ireland. I would like to know when this Robt died if in Chester Co, or did he move back to Lancaster after his mother died in 1923. I am searching for info of Wesley FERGUSON born in 1834 in Chester Co. His father is John FERGUSON of Cecil Co, Md and mother Ann of Pa. John moved his family back to Cecil Co, Md before 1850 Census. Wesley then moved to New Castle Co, De. I would like to know if anyone knows Ann's maiden name is, and was she from Chester Co.? I mentioned in another letter that I am researching GRAY family. I would like to know if anyone knows of William GRAY, Sr.'s wife's name. William was born 1780's and had children: George/James H./Mary Ann/Robert/Samuel/William Jr.

    09/10/2000 09:21:57
    1. [PACHESTE] GRAY/SMYTHE/HARRINGTON/CONNELLY/HALL/KELLY
    2. Debra Chapman
    3. I am looking for info for Chester Co, Pa GRAY's in Upper/Lower Oxford Twp and New Garden Twp - 1st names of Samuel/William/James/Joseph For SMYTHE family of Chester/Lancaster Co, I am looking for info in Upper/Lower Oxford Twp, Hopewell Borough of Christopher/John/Patrick/Peter For HARRINGTON/HERRINGTON of Chester/Lancaster Co in Honeybrook Twp - names of Samuel/Cornelius/Silas/Daniel For CONNELLY(any spelling) I am searching for info of a Nancy Ann Connelly wife of Samuel GRAY - parents are thought to be David CONNELLY and Sarah FARRAH, possibly of Chester Co, Pa or of Cecil Co, Md For HALL (I am DESPERATE!!) I am 90% sure that my George K. HALL (died: Chester Co.) came from Co. Donegal, Ireland, at least that is what family tells. His death certif. states his parents to be Thos HALL and Mary KELLY both of Ireland. When I find Thomas's death certif. (of Chester Co.), HIS MOTHER IS MARY KELLY! -- HELP!!!!!! For the KELLY's, as above - I don't find any info of Mary KELLY, being in Pa. I do find a Patrick KELLY in Chester Co./New Castle Co, De - born in Ireland. Could this be my Mary's brother or older son?

    09/10/2000 09:00:53
    1. [PACHESTE] RE: old farming methods.
    2. Dora Smith
    3. Anne: This stuff about how farmers functioned is very interesting. I guess I'm not going to get far with how much that land was worth, am I? ;) So if there are two figures on the tax list and not three, the value is the assessed value? What you say about how farmers lived and worked is very consistent with what I read in the Oley Valley book I have. It is pretty amazing. I don't know how come they didn't simply use each other's horses! After all, surely while he was stabling the horse that wandered goodness knows how far and its owner never missed it, his own horse was off somewhere... (grin) So that's why John Smith needed 39 acres for what one gets the idea was subsistence farming - so his cows and horse could find enough grass among the trees, huh? It's hard to believe they were using wooden plows, though that appears to be exactly what it says in the Oley Valley book. I thought they were using iron plows in Europe in medieval times! In Austin, where I live, there is a botanical gardens, and they've got these little cabins based on a Swedish farming operation of some sort, but modelled after how the Swedish settlers along the Delaware lived. And the plows are sure of iron! What did the blacksmith do, anyhow? One thing, though, the Oley Valley book solves the one horse mystery by saying that if the family owned one farm horse, which is most often what they owned, it was usually a Clysdale, or something like it. More prosperous farmers tried to own a bay mare with nice saddle and bridle - and I have a Thompson ancestor, named Ezra, the family lived simply enough, he owned a hundred acres, they seem to have been fairly prosperous, he had several horses, a pig or two, enough cattle - and he had, in his estate inventory, his roan mare, which was worth a few times what the other horses were, adn also, one year, he is appraised an extra $20 for owning a carriage. Now that makes sense - single clysdales pull big carriages all around downtown Austin, and one would be well capable of both the plowing, and pulling the Smiths and their seven children in the wagon the twelve miles every Sunday to teh New London Presbyterian Church. As to the plowing, the Oley book says they hitched that wooden plough to a horse to pull it while the farmer guided it, and also that they did plow, sometimes twice. Big horses certainly existed; they served as battle horses during the Middle Ages. The family diet clearly consisted of lard, rye and wheat, molasses, salt pork, sausage, which they stuffed themselves, and beans, and vegetables from the garden, and one assumes dairy products from the cows though I didn't see a churn for making butter; the carpets were braided by his wife, most of the furniture was plain and there was teh exact amount of it there for function - but he had his roan mare and his carriage. Sounds like my father, with his motorcycle. (grin) He was the minister on the motorcycle for awhile. People knew he found it alot cheaper than travelling about the parish by car. But the notion that only 2% if that of the land was under cultivation adds up. It explains why people with huge acreage seemed to have teh same quantity of crops in the ground as people with small acreage. It is very possible they bought alot of land for other reasons; people with large parcels of land usually prospered well off of it by exploiting it in a number of ways, to judge from what I've seen in both my ancestors, and English history and historical novels. They might have a mill or two on the land, sell lumber, etc. Maybe they were also thinking about dividing it among their children, which they often did. Yours, Dora --- Anne Wiegle <awiegle@fast.net> wrote: > Hi Dora- > The figures you see on the tax records are the > assessed value, and then the > tax, which is usually a few shillings. > Now the assessed value is NOT the real value. > You can find that out by looking > in land records to see what people paid for it. > If someone has owned land for a while, and it > has increased in value, then the > assessed value will be way under the fair > market value. > > As far a how much land you needed to live on: > If you read in Futhy & Cope about the > percentage of land under cultivation, it > is miniscule. Like in 1750 it was .02%. > In those days you put a fence around your __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

    09/10/2000 08:17:29
    1. [PACHESTE] HEWES , HICKS & LAMBORN, RENNER FAMILY OF CHESTER CO. PA
    2. Hi I saw your Hewes listed for the Chester Co and wondered if you could have any of these names in your data base. I am seeking info on: Henry B. (b. abt. 1789) and Martha Jane (maiden name unknown) HEWES/HUGHS/HUGHES Children: Sarah b. abt. 1805 (possibly b. in Chester Co.) m. William Carlisle FERGUSON lived in Lewistown, Pa., Indiana,Pa and settled in MN Catherine HEWES b. 1810 (possibly in Chester Co.), m. Daniel Rynard (R ENNER ) in 1831, Bellefonte, Pa (Centre Co.) died 1902 in Altoona, PA buried with John Davis HUGHES family plot. Jane b. abt 1815 (possibly b. Chester Co.) Elizabeth b. abt 1820 m. Amos FAUVER in Bellefonte,Pa (Centre Co). Isabella b. 1823 in Centre Co., m. William MALLORY in Bellefonte John Davis HUGHES b. 1824/25 in Bellefonte, Pa m. Hannah HICKS, dtr. of Isaac HICKS and Hannah LAMBORN of Chester Co in 1846 in Bellefonte, Pa Henry HUGHES b. abt. 1829 in Bellefonte James Harry HUGHES b. 1831 in Bellefonte, m. Mary Jane RHOADES Thanks for any help! Jean Corio Tampa, Fl

    09/10/2000 07:24:42
    1. RE: [PACHESTE] real value of $65, 1798, how long it took to save and how possible
    2. Dora Smith
    3. Anne: I'm in the soup, then - because almost noone in London Britain township owned as little as 29 acres of land, in fact, almost noone owned less than 100 acres! And most of those who owned small plots of land had small plots indeed, they were accountants, shopkeepers, and such, with maybe half an acre. It LOOKS to me as if John Smith intended to farm enough to meet the subsistence needs of his family. The family sketch says "their labor was divided between the loom and the plough". Having seen what my 100 acre owning ancestors had in their estate inventories, it looks to me like they weren't raising much more grain themselves than they needed to feed their families, even though my Oley Valley history says that southeastern Pennsylvania was the nation's breadbasket at that time. It also looks remarkably like farmers nominally held title to their land but often cooperatively worked it! "Half interest in acre of wheat in the ground"? "Half interest in wagon"! I don't understand which of the figures on the tax book is what you mean by the "assessed" value, though. The pages I have usually show two figures, one the "value", a smaller one, the "assessed value", and then the tax. Which is the assessed value you're talking about? Which value does the single value in the more simply written 1799 tax record correspond to? Would the larger value that describes itself as the actual value, be the amount of money the land could be sold for? It is pretty clear that land that was improved in any way was assessed at a higher value. It would have sold for a higher value, too. On most records the buildings are assessed separately, so one gets an idea of what was worth what, but not in 1799. Is there anyone in Chester County who could give me an idea what the fair price for the land John Smith bought would have been? I suppose Barbara Weir has seen what people were buying and selling land for, though I don't know how much information processing she has done on what she has seen. Any historians or anyone? Yours, Dora --- Anne Wiegle <awiegle@fast.net> wrote: > Dora Smith Wrote: > >In 1799, the London Britain Township tax list, > >shows John Smith, "wever", 29 and a third > acres > >or something, assessed for $116. I don't know > of > >the property doubled in value, the Smiths had > >gotten a break on the price, or there was > >inflation but possibly someone familiar with > this > >period would know if there was radical > inflation > >in 1798/99; that was during the difficult time > >between 1776 and 1821, so there could have > been. > > Do not make the mistake of equating the > assessed value of real estate with the > actual value. > The assessment rate may change from year to > year. If the proberty is assessed > at double the value, it could be that the > assessment doubled, not necessarily > that the value went up. Maybe they needed to > build a road or something and > increased the taxes. > > Our farm was assessed at $16,000 for 28 years, > then they reassessed and it is > now $160,000. Neither figure had much to do > with the market value. Assessors > ues strange formulas to determine assessed > value. > > Barbara Weir at the Chester Co. archives, tells > me that you can only use the > assessed value to tell you how well off they > were compared to their neighbors > the same year. > > Anne Wiegle __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

    09/10/2000 06:38:59
    1. [PACHESTE] STURGIS FAMILY
    2. Sam D. Lawson
    3. TO Debra Boyd (and Listers)- You may have this already, but, in case you don't: Early Vital Records Daughters Of The American Revolution Bible Records Copies Of Diaries, Letters, And Newspaper Notices Lucas County, Ohio Copied By The Genealogical Committee Of Fort Industry Chapter Toledo, Lucas County, Ohio Laura Prentice Zilah Crother and Patricia Allen Gohring Miss Grace L. Johnson Regent (32998) Compiled Under Direction Of Mrs. George D. Bush State Chairman Genealogical Records Mrs. Alonzo H. Dunham State Regent 1943 LUCAS COUNTY, OHIO LDS 35 MM Microfilm# N-34376 0859777 (Part 4) Page# 108 BIBLE AND FAMILY RECORDS JOHN STURGIS Presently owned by Mrs. Philip STRAUSZ, 2255 Lawrence Avenue, Toledo, Ohio John STURGIS, born in England, in 1749. Leah PHILLIPS, born 7 June, 1751 CHILDREN BORN: Isaac STURGIS No Date Given Philip STURGIS 3 March, 1784 Phineas F. STURGIS 19 February, 1777 Leah STURGIS 1785 John P. STURGIS May, 1791 Jane STURGIS September, 1787 MARRIAGES: John STURGIS in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, in 1775 Leah PHILLIPS in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, in 1775 Isaac STURGIS No Name Given Philip STURGIS Unmarried Phineas F. STURGIS Elizabeth WEST Leah STURGIS Levi HEROD John P. STURGIS Hannah LINCOLN Jane STURGIS Gideon WAY John STURGIS The said John STURGIS born 1749, Enlisted in Capt. Josiah HAMER'S Company of First Pennsylvania Battalion in October, 1775, commanded by Colonel John Philip de HASS under whom he served on expedition in Crown Point and Ticonderoga. He served from October, 1775, to November 13, 1776. His name also appears on the rolls as a private in Capt. Peter HOSLEINS Company, Philadelphia Militia, September, 1781. John STURGIS is also given in list of associations and Militia of City of Philadelphia, a return of the 4th, 5th, and 6th Classes of Chesnut Ward under command of Thomas BRADFORD. Residence during Revolutionary War in Philadelphia, Pennsylania. John STURGIS came to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, from England with his brothers, Nathan STURGIS and Amos STURGIS, settled near Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and afterwards living in Philadelphia, married Leah PHILLIPS of Philadelphia, in 1775, and several children were born to them. In 1787, moved to Fayette County, Pennsylvania, John P. STURGIS was born. John STURGIS, the Revolutionary ancestor, died in Pennsylvania, 14 February, 1822, and is buried in Woodbridgetown Cemetery (Fayette County, Pennsylvania). References: S.B. NELSON'S BIOGRAPHICAL DICTIONARY AND HISTORY REF. BOOK OF FAYETTE COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA, RECORD FROM STATE LIBRARY MILITARY SERVICES PENN. ARCHIVES, SIXTH SERIES, VOL. 1, Page 730 PENN. ARCHIVES, SIXTH SERIES, VOL. 1, Page 509 PENN. ARCHIVES, FIFTH SERIES, VOL. 2, Page 73 DEATHS: John STURGIS 14 February, 1822 Leah PHILLIPS 12 February, 1794 BIRTHS: Addison S. VANCE Born Virginia, 1812 Mary A. STURGIS, daughter of John P. STURGIS and Hannah LINCOLN, Born Uniontown, Pa., April, 1818 James Andrew DAVIS, Born 22 September, 1831 Lida Virginia DAVIS, Born Morgantown, W Va., 14 June, 1863 Philip STRAUSZ, Born Winchester, Va., May, 1861 MARRIAGES: Mary A. STURGIS, daughter of John P. STURGIS & Hannah LINCOLN, married Addison S. VANCE, Morgantown, W. Va., in June, 1834 Mariah Virginia VANCE and James Andrew DAVIS, 25 January, 1855 Lida Virginia DAVIS, daughter of James DAVIS and Mariah VANCE, and Philip Burt STRAUSZ, 10 February, 1888 DEATHS: Addison S. VANCE Morgantown, W. Va. 1883 Mary A. STURGIS Morgantown, W. Va. March, 1885 James Andrew DAVIS 11 December, 1920 Mariah Virginia VANCE 3 February, 1925 Philip STRAUSZ 9 August, 1907 Note by submitter, Sam D. Lawson: John STURGIS was the son of Thomas STURGIS and Catherine ROBERTS. He married to Leah PHILLIPS, the daughter of Samuel PHILLIPS and Keziah ABRAHAM. Leah was the Granddaughter of Griffith PHILLIPS. John and Leah are buried in the Woodbridgetown Cemetery in Fayette County, Pennsylvania. Sam D. Lawson bulldog2429@voyager.net

    09/10/2000 05:38:55
  1. 09/10/2000 04:23:18
    1. Re: [PACHESTE] Need help identifying city
    2. Derick S. Hartshorn
    3. How about Goshen. --Derick At 11:56 PM 9/9/00, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I need help identifying the birthplace of my ggggrandfather. In his >obit, it states that he was from Chester County. On his death >certificate, it says he was born in a city that starts with a 'G'. I >cannot make it out. Does anyone know if there are any cities, towns >etc. that start with a 'G' in Chester County? > >Appreciate your help. > >Michelle > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >Check out other counties in PA! >http://libertynet.org/~gencap/pacounties.html

    09/10/2000 04:13:03
    1. Re: [PACHESTE] Need help identifying city
    2. In a message dated 9/9/00 8:49:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mrross@snet.net writes: << Does anyone know if there are any cities, towns etc. that start with a 'G' in Chester County? >> Guthriesville Goshen

    09/10/2000 04:06:59
    1. Re: [PACHESTE] real value of $65, 1798, how long it took to save and how possible
    2. Dora Smith
    3. Barbara: I truly hope it is not necessary to do a thesis to discover the information I want. And I'm sure it isn't. I'm just hoping someone on the list has the knowledge. How much unimproved land would $65 have ordinarily bought in London Britain township in 1798? And how much did a small, possibly not yet finished log cabin and maybe a shed with a farm animal or two, add to the property's value by 1799? Also, how much in real dollars was $65 in 1798, worth in 1799? Could one in 1999 by 39 acres of unimproved land, somewhere less isolated than the middle of Alaska, in a prosperous and well settled area, for $618? I think my father may have paid $50 for a half acre chunk at the end of the big field on someone's large property, on which he built, by himself, the very interesting house you'll find in my picture album at http://www.angelfire.com/pa3/tiggernut, in about 1974, and then he paid another $50 or so to add a small bit of land to it, but he was the Episcopal minister for twenty years in a tiny village, and someone gave him a break. I don't think that's what the land was worth. Let's see; $618, divided by 40 acres which John Smith bought - you're telling me, that today the land would sell for $15 an acre! Doesn't take a Ph.D. candidate -- What I want to know is, how far in land buying did $65 ordinarily go in that time and place? Did John Smith pay what the land was worth? Yours, Dora --- Barbara McCormick <bjmac@wilmington.net> wrote: > YEESH!!!! A thesis!!!!! > In 1800 $65 was worth $617.96 in 1999 money. > > Barbara > in Wilmington, NC > > Dora Smith wrote: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

    09/10/2000 04:04:59
    1. [PACHESTE] biographical sources on the Whitten/ Whitting family of London Britain twp
    2. Dora Smith
    3. Can anyone think of any biographical sources about the Whitten/Whitton/ Whitting/ Whiting family of London Britain township, that would be likely to discuss or name the people who worked for them, in their farm? The Whittens were not terribly prominent, but they were local leaders of some sort. They owned a large farm in northeastern London Britain township; John Whitten's father, who I think may have been Richard Whitten, I'm extremely vague on that history, had bought it. I think that John had a brother who went off and did something, was a ne'er do well or something, and there was also aBenjamin Whitting who I can't even remember if or how he was related to the family, who had a large farm near the Smith's, by pure coincidence, which apparently he did not inherit from the Whitten family. Both John Whitten and his son Davis Whitten, were justices of the peace. They attended the Welsh/ Old School/ Primitive Baptist Church in London Britain township, and the whole family are buried there. Davis Whitten, who was yet a minor when his father died as I recall, was enormously popular in the town and good friends with nearly everyone. I once had full details on the whole family, but we're talking end 18th century for John Whitten and early to mid 19th century for Davis Whitten. The family weren't prominent enough, though, to be more than named, for instance, in Futhey and Cope's big history of Chester County. If anyone is in a position and has the time to do a lookup for me in the Chester County Historical Society, I'd sure appreciate it. I'm looking for any mention of my ancestors, John and Isabella Smith, supposed to have worked for John Whitten sometime between 1787 and 1798, or failing that, any mention of the free man and woman servants who definitely really were in his household in the 1790 census, alongside of the three slaves. Also, any mention of what became of the slaves. Thanks, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

    09/10/2000 03:50:07
    1. [PACHESTE] question for descendants of John Whitten/Whitting
    2. Dora Smith
    3. At one time, a couple of years or so ago, I was in touch with I think no fewer than three descendants of John Whitten, farmer and justice of the peace in London Britain Township at end of 18th century, and father of Davis Whitten, also farmer and justice of the peace of London Britain township, and a slew of girls. They checked John Whitten's papers, which they had a quantity of, for any mention that John and Isabella Smith, my own ancestors, worked for John Whitten, when, and on what terms. They found no mention of John and Isabella Smith. I am hoping to locate these people without having to unearth them from whatever e-mail account I was using at the time or re-research them; I know that a couple of them were registered on the Chester County genweb site. I wrote to them and got pointed to others, and so on. The notion that John and Isabella Smith worked for John Whitten comes from a biographical sketch of the family written by their grandson, which claims that, as John and Isabella Smith came penniless from Ireland and arrived at New Castle, Davis Whitten, "a kindly farmer and justice of hte peace", who was at the docks waiting to find some farm help, took them in and gave them a place. I've established that John and Isabella Smith must have come to Pennsylvania between 1787, and 1797, when their first child after a child who died on the ship, was born, in this country. In October, 1798, John Smith, a weaver, adn his wife, Isabella, purchased 39 acres of land in London Britain township, for which they paid cash, despite having been servants until then and having had nothing when they arrived. They could not have worked for Davis Whitten, who was enormously popular, seemingly good friends with everyone who lived at all near him, and surely well known to John Smith, who lived near the town tavern aka town hall, and whose son married the tavern keeper's daughter; because Davis Whitten was only a boy during the entire time when the Smiths could have worked for the Whittens. John Whitten was also a farmer and justice of the peace, so they must have worked for him. John Smith's son and grandson certainly knew Davis Whitten quite well, hence the confusion in the biographical sketch that the grandson wrote. A new question occurs to me. I would REALLY appreciate it if you would check those family papers again. John Whitten definitely had two free servants; a man and a woman the right ages to have been John and Isabella Smith, in his household in the 1790 census, along with his three slaves. The two servants are proven to been in John Whitten's household; if they were NOT John and Isabella Smith, then John and Isabella Smith most likely replaced them. Is there any record of what were these two servants' names? Also, any clues as to when they got there, on what terms they worked for John Whitten, and when they left his employment? Even if they aren't named, when they began and stopped working for John Whitten are clues to when John and Isabella Smith did what. A related question; what became of the slaves? Do any records exist concerning them in the family papers? Do they even tell what were the slaves' names? Surely the papers make mention of who was available to do the work on the farm! It seems that none of John Whitten's children were slave owners. Certainly Davis Whitten wasn't, though I vaguely remember that Davis Whitten may have been yet a minor when his father died. If John Whitten perchance both freed them, and settled some sort of property or money on him, it would suggest that possibly he did something similar for the Smiths, as I understand at some early and vaguely defined point in time, indentured servants often got settlements of money or other property at the end of their term of service. And that the Smiths had nothing and John Davis was waiting on the docks for them definitely suggests that they very likely were indentured servants. If the slaves were just sold to settle the estate or because the Whittens didn't want to be known as slave owners any more, it would be unlikely they did any favors for the Smiths - particularly if the family records don't even NAME the family slaves. Also, John Whitten's servants are very likely to be mentioned in his papers, where the slaves are mentioned. Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

    09/10/2000 03:39:27
    1. [PACHESTE] Re:Need help in Identifying City
    2. Harlan Cleaver
    3. It depends on what time period you are talking about. Currently there 11 cities or stations that start with a "G" however at one time Chester County was part of several other counties. >______________________________X-Message: #5 >Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 20:56:14 -0700 >From: MICHELLE ROSS <mrross@snet.net> >To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <39BB065E.7ADA@snet.net> >Subject: [PACHESTE] Need help identifying city >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi everyone, > >I need help identifying the birthplace of my ggggrandfather. In his >obit, it states that he was from Chester County. On his death >certificate, it says he was born in a city that starts with a 'G'. I >cannot make it out. Does anyone know if there are any cities, towns >etc. that start with a 'G' in Chester County? > >Appreciate your help. > >Michelle > >______________________________X-Message: #6 >Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 21:38:59 -0400 >From: HWBALB <louiseb@lancnews.infi.net> >To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <39BAE633.C8E9ABEC@lancnews.infi.net> >Subject: Re: [PACHESTE] Priscilla DICKINSON b 1754 Pennsylvania >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >Source: "A Rare and Pleasing Thing: Radnor" by Katherine Hewitt Cummin > Lot 36: Margaret Dickinson > > Lewis Jerman of Radnor, yeoman sold 3 1/4 acres of land (with >improvements) to Margaret Dickinson of Radnor, widow, 16 October 1769. >She was exempted from taxes in 1772 because of her children. > Margaret Dickinson was Lewis Jerman's first cousin, daughter of his >aunt Sarah Jerman and her husband Thomas Thomas of Newtown. Records of >Goshen Friends Meeting show her marrying out of meeting in 1746 and being >dismissed in 1747. Her father left Margaret and Joseph Dickenson 15s in >his will of 1752. All other beneficiaries were identified as his sons or >daughters. Two daughters, specifically identified and not married, >received £10 and £18 respectively. > Margaret Dickinson died intestate leaving children Azariah, Jerman, >Priscilla who married Thomas Lincoln, Margaret who married Joseph Taylor >and Elizabeth who married Joseph Lincoln. These heirs sold the small >property to Joseph Lincoln 17 April 1801 for £100. > Joseph Lincoln in turn died intestate leaving a widow Elizabeth and >children Margaret who married John E. McVeagh, Mary who married Jeremiah >Stevens, John Lincoln who had a wife Francina and Abel Lincoln of Cecil >County, MD. These heirs sold the property, still with two dwellings to >Ann Siter, widow of John Siter, deed dated 18 June 1825. > >Alice Beard > > >Wilma wrote: > > > Hello everyone... > > > > I am looking for the parents/ancestors of my 4th gr gm. I am > > in high hopes that one of you will know who she was. > > ~~~~ > > 4th gr gp > > > > Priscilla DICKINSON > > b 1654 ..........., Pennsylvania > > d 24 April 1824 .......................... > > md c 1780 .......... Pennsylvania > > TO > > Thomas 5) LINCOLN [Thomas4, Mordecai3-2, Samuel 1] > > b Nov 1758 Amity, Washington, Pennsylvania > > d July 1819 ............. > > ~~~~ > > I only know of one child, a daughter: > > > > 3gr gp > > Elizabeth 6) LINCOLN > > b 27 July 1780 Chester county, Pennsylvania > > d 3 Jan 1832 Lancaster county, Pennsylvania > > md 1801 Chester county, Pennsylvania > > TO > > George HOLLIS s/o Joseph HOLLIS & Hannah SHEWARD > > b 4 July 1778 Chester or Lancaster county, Pennsylvania > > d 14 April 1835 West Chester county, Pennsylvania > > > > Thank you very much > > > > Wilma Fleming Haynes > > gencon@harborside.com > > > > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from regular mail mode on this list, send a message to: > > PACHESTE-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > > Put only the word unsubscribe in the body of your message. For digest > > mode, send the message to PACHESTE-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > >______________________________X-Message: #7 >Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 21:51:08 -0400 >From: HWBALB <louiseb@lancnews.infi.net> >To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <39BAE90C.EC77ACB8@lancnews.infi.net> >Subject: Re: [PACHESTE] Need help identifying city >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Glenmore seems to be the only one that I found in the ADC Chester County >map book. > >Alice Beard > >MICHELLE ROSS wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I need help identifying the birthplace of my ggggrandfather. In his > > obit, it states that he was from Chester County. On his death > > certificate, it says he was born in a city that starts with a 'G'. I > > cannot make it out. Does anyone know if there are any cities, towns > > etc. that start with a 'G' in Chester County? > > > > Appreciate your help. > > > > Michelle > > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > > Check out other counties in PA! > > http://libertynet.org/~gencap/pacounties.html > >______________________________X-Message: #8 >Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:52:21 EDT >From: GeoJenk@aol.com >To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <ad.59be76.26ec5165@aol.com> >Subject: [PACHESTE] Genealogical Biographies of Western Pa. Immigrants >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Greetings, > >This will be the last post that I will make for a long time, as I am drained >from doing this project. > >On my site I have compiled the following information in my "All Things >Section" of my site located at: > > http://www.geocities.com/geojenk > >Be patient as I have a lot of great stuff packed on the pages till I can >tweak them for faster loading. > >Detailed History of McKeesport, Pa > >Genealogy and Biographies of Early McKeesporters >(These are very detailed genealogical biographies on close to 400 individuals >that immigrated to McKeesport from other countries/states.) > >Pictures and Biographies of Prominent Early McKeesporters >(Part of above) > >Western Pennsylvania Family Group Genealogies >(Genealogical Biographies on close to 400 family groups that lived in Western >Pa. Includes families country of origin where applicable) > >Biographies of Service Men (WWI) >(Men and women who served in WWI from the W. Pa. Area. Detailed info >concerning their service record and also a lot of their pictures.) > >Pictures of Life in 1900s - Western Pa. >(Close to 60 pictures showing how life was in W. Pa. during the beginning of >the 1900s. There are some people on these pics that may be reconizable. Some >immigrant group pics.) > >Please remember these sources of info are not related to my family research >efforts. I have done this project with the intention of sharing the info. I >get no financial gain from this effort as my site sells absolutely nothing. > >Good Luck!!! > >Blessings, > >George "DaPicMoocher" Jenkins > >Jenkins-Jeffries-Lee Family Page - http://www.geocities.com/geojenk > >Jenkins-Jeffries-Lee Family Picture Page - >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~geojenk/index.html Harlan Mason Cleaver Frederick, MD 21702

    09/10/2000 03:18:04
    1. [PACHESTE] Genealogical Biographies of Western Pa. Immigrants
    2. Greetings, This will be the last post that I will make for a long time, as I am drained from doing this project. On my site I have compiled the following information in my "All Things Section" of my site located at: http://www.geocities.com/geojenk Be patient as I have a lot of great stuff packed on the pages till I can tweak them for faster loading. Detailed History of McKeesport, Pa Genealogy and Biographies of Early McKeesporters (These are very detailed genealogical biographies on close to 400 individuals that immigrated to McKeesport from other countries/states.) Pictures and Biographies of Prominent Early McKeesporters (Part of above) Western Pennsylvania Family Group Genealogies (Genealogical Biographies on close to 400 family groups that lived in Western Pa. Includes families country of origin where applicable) Biographies of Service Men (WWI) (Men and women who served in WWI from the W. Pa. Area. Detailed info concerning their service record and also a lot of their pictures.) Pictures of Life in 1900s - Western Pa. (Close to 60 pictures showing how life was in W. Pa. during the beginning of the 1900s. There are some people on these pics that may be reconizable. Some immigrant group pics.) Please remember these sources of info are not related to my family research efforts. I have done this project with the intention of sharing the info. I get no financial gain from this effort as my site sells absolutely nothing. Good Luck!!! Blessings, George "DaPicMoocher" Jenkins Jenkins-Jeffries-Lee Family Page - http://www.geocities.com/geojenk Jenkins-Jeffries-Lee Family Picture Page - http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~geojenk/index.html

    09/09/2000 04:52:21
    1. Re: [PACHESTE] Need help identifying city
    2. HWBALB
    3. Glenmore seems to be the only one that I found in the ADC Chester County map book. Alice Beard MICHELLE ROSS wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I need help identifying the birthplace of my ggggrandfather. In his > obit, it states that he was from Chester County. On his death > certificate, it says he was born in a city that starts with a 'G'. I > cannot make it out. Does anyone know if there are any cities, towns > etc. that start with a 'G' in Chester County? > > Appreciate your help. > > Michelle > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Check out other counties in PA! > http://libertynet.org/~gencap/pacounties.html

    09/09/2000 03:51:08
    1. Re: [PACHESTE] Priscilla DICKINSON b 1754 Pennsylvania
    2. HWBALB
    3. Source: "A Rare and Pleasing Thing: Radnor" by Katherine Hewitt Cummin Lot 36: Margaret Dickinson Lewis Jerman of Radnor, yeoman sold 3 1/4 acres of land (with improvements) to Margaret Dickinson of Radnor, widow, 16 October 1769. She was exempted from taxes in 1772 because of her children. Margaret Dickinson was Lewis Jerman's first cousin, daughter of his aunt Sarah Jerman and her husband Thomas Thomas of Newtown. Records of Goshen Friends Meeting show her marrying out of meeting in 1746 and being dismissed in 1747. Her father left Margaret and Joseph Dickenson 15s in his will of 1752. All other beneficiaries were identified as his sons or daughters. Two daughters, specifically identified and not married, received £10 and £18 respectively. Margaret Dickinson died intestate leaving children Azariah, Jerman, Priscilla who married Thomas Lincoln, Margaret who married Joseph Taylor and Elizabeth who married Joseph Lincoln. These heirs sold the small property to Joseph Lincoln 17 April 1801 for £100. Joseph Lincoln in turn died intestate leaving a widow Elizabeth and children Margaret who married John E. McVeagh, Mary who married Jeremiah Stevens, John Lincoln who had a wife Francina and Abel Lincoln of Cecil County, MD. These heirs sold the property, still with two dwellings to Ann Siter, widow of John Siter, deed dated 18 June 1825. Alice Beard Wilma wrote: > Hello everyone... > > I am looking for the parents/ancestors of my 4th gr gm. I am > in high hopes that one of you will know who she was. > ~~~~ > 4th gr gp > > Priscilla DICKINSON > b 1654 ..........., Pennsylvania > d 24 April 1824 .......................... > md c 1780 .......... Pennsylvania > TO > Thomas 5) LINCOLN [Thomas4, Mordecai3-2, Samuel 1] > b Nov 1758 Amity, Washington, Pennsylvania > d July 1819 ............. > ~~~~ > I only know of one child, a daughter: > > 3gr gp > Elizabeth 6) LINCOLN > b 27 July 1780 Chester county, Pennsylvania > d 3 Jan 1832 Lancaster county, Pennsylvania > md 1801 Chester county, Pennsylvania > TO > George HOLLIS s/o Joseph HOLLIS & Hannah SHEWARD > b 4 July 1778 Chester or Lancaster county, Pennsylvania > d 14 April 1835 West Chester county, Pennsylvania > > Thank you very much > > Wilma Fleming Haynes > gencon@harborside.com > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from regular mail mode on this list, send a message to: > PACHESTE-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > Put only the word unsubscribe in the body of your message. For digest > mode, send the message to PACHESTE-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com

    09/09/2000 03:38:59