Hello List, I don't want anyone to think I am against our ancesters. I just want to know the how and whys of their lifes, and anything to do with how they lived.I come from 9 generations of Chester Co. dairy farmers. I know they had a hard life. Somtimes I think our farmers, of all types are very much over looked. I support them completely. I suppose if I had been taught about Native Americans and African Americans, I may not have this deep desire, to know how are lifes, reflected each other. When I found that I had a Lenape grandmother, I was even more curious about her life.I wondered such things as, was she loved by my grandfather. Was she a gift from some connection between her people the Lenapes, and this English man. All kinds of things I wanted to know. I know most of you have probably been doing geneology for many years. But only in the last couple of years has it been so easy to find records. Not only that but, we now have the best oppurtuity in our lives to see what Educators are teaching, and putting out there for all to see. Gone are the days of only visiting our archive offices and having to buy a book ( if you could find it) on history.Now we have history and records at the press of a few buttons. We also have links to our Goverment, we never had before. They have some of the best info out there. We get to see the old laws and copies of treaties, and records we may never have had an oppurtnity to look at. I am sorry if I was a bit hard on a past President, who was a slave holder. And also on my remark, reguarding the Constitution. But the truth of the matter is, these things are being taught in our Universitys today. My son is in the third year of colledge, and he said, that it was White, land owning , men, that were equal, when that statment about ALL MEN ARE EQUAL, in our Constitution, was written. Well I guess that ticked me off a bit. How many other non-land owning men, were brakeing their backs to build this land. My grandfather, maybe yours? I know I cannot change history, but I feel if I don't speak out, then I in my existance would only be a part of it and a lie.To many men, have died and suffered to build what we have today. Mary Jane, Bright Star

Good evening, Have a couple of quetions, 1. Does anyone know what local newspapers were circulated throughout Chester County down to the Md State Line. Checked the Papers in MD today at the historical society in Elkton and could not find the death and marriage announcements. 2. Does anyone have a list of the churches in Chester County, especially around West Nottingham and Nottingham townships and southern chester county to the Md state line. Still trying to locate the Johnsons and Coopers of Chester County, PA. Thanks, Frank

Can someone please look up for me in Andrew Moore genealogy, the following person. He is father to my Charles Moore, b 1859; I seem to have pinned him down in 1860 census. Thomas Moore b about 1825, age 35 in 1850 census. A laborer. Married Emaline, who was born in Maryland, and their first five children appear to have been born in Maryland. The children were William, b about 1848, Elizabeth, b about 1853, Francis, b about 1854, Ida, b about 1856, and Charles L, b August 1859. William's middle name may also have been L. Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Can someone please tell me if there is a West / W. Bethlehem and it approximate location. I thought it was the west side of Bethlehem, but somewhere I heard it was a town all its own located in the western part of PA. Now I'm really confursed. (as usual) Jacqui Righter Baylis, in Florida Researching: RIGHTER, BANES, MEWS or MEWES

Can anyone tell me more than what I list below, on the subject names? Decedent: David Bell Residence: Eastown. Co. of Chester, Pennsylvania Book: Y, Page: 180 Date: 4 2 1799 Prove Date: 5 6 1799 Remarks: David Bell. Eastown. Co. of Chester, Pennsylvania. Feb 4, 1799. June 5, 1799. Y.180. Exec: Sister Margaret, Wife of George Ralston, Brother-in-Law George Ralston. Brother: William. Sisters: Mary Goff, Ann Hoopes. Half Brothers: Samuel and Edward Bell. Witness: Philip Pancake. I would love to know, also, if the George RALSTON connects to Robert RALSTON, m. Sarah CLARKSON, or someone else, and if George worked in Philadelphia... Thanks, Vince Summers

To everyone who sent me answers and questions regarding "Brown", I just saw on Compuserve under their Genealogy and History site, a link to Nottingham, Cecil County, Maryland - Quakers. It is listed under "today's new databases". I believe that this is really a link to Ancestry.com so you might want to look there. Lots of Browns are documented (Williams, Samuels, Elizabeth Kirk, Elizabeth Haines, etc). Good luck! Suzanne

For Melinda of VA (Gilson Book). Noticed your signature block that you are searching for WILSON. So am I. Let's communicate. JJ jorolan@hotmail.com >From: PACHESTE-D-request@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com >To: PACHESTE-D@rootsweb.com >Subject: PACHESTE-D Digest V00 #298 >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:35:30 -0700 > ><< message2.txt >> ><< message4.txt >> ><< message6.txt >> ><< message8.txt >> ><< message10.txt >> ><< message12.txt >> ><< message14.txt >> ><< message16.txt >> ><< message18.txt >> ><< message20.txt >> ><< message22.txt >> ><< message24.txt >> ><< message26.txt >> ><< message28.txt >> ><< message30.txt >> ><< message32.txt >> _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

The Oxford Press began publication in 1866. It often contains information from northern Cecil County, MD, as well as surrounding areas in Lancaster Co., PA and Chester Co., PA. Alice Beard Gail Steckel wrote: > Frank: For this area you should check the old newspaper files from Oxford > Borough. I don't know how far they go back. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Patnaude <Patnaude@bellatlantic.net> > To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Thursday, September 14, 2000 6:39 PM > Subject: [PACHESTE] Newspapers > > >Good evening, > > > >Have a couple of quetions, > > > >1. Does anyone know what local newspapers were circulated throughout > >Chester County down to the Md State Line. Checked the Papers in MD today > at > >the historical society in Elkton and could not find the death and marriage > >announcements. > > > >2. Does anyone have a list of the churches in Chester County, especially > >around West Nottingham and Nottingham townships and southern chester county > >to the Md state line. > > > >Still trying to locate the Johnsons and Coopers of Chester County, PA. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Frank > > > > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > >To post a message to this list, send your message to > >PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm

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In a message dated 9/13/00 6:19:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Booboopies writes: << You are certainly entitled to your opinion, Mary Jane, but I urge you to use caution and not to judge our ancestors' lifestyle, as their goals and frame of reference were very different from ours. And indentured servitude was not a fancy English word, but a matter of law. >> Hi Karen, I stand corrected on the Amish, being from Holland. I don't know were my mind was at that moment, but yes they are from Switzerland. In reguards to judgeing my ancesters, I am not doing so. I am pointing out things I see, in relation to the topics at hand. I further do not believe that all Indentured Servents had a very good life.My WEB POST, prove that. As far as the word Indentured Servent, it came out of England, and was there polite way of calling a human being a slave.Seeing how most the people who we are speaking of, were at the time under Penn and English rule,I respectfully disagree. England made sure to send us their criminals as well.So I have to wonder how many came by force, and how many came out of a need to have a new life, in the America's.Now as far as the laws, well I have alot of questions there? Were was the law when treaties were broke with the Native American people? Why was our Constitution signed by a slave owner?Oh, I think I know. When they said all men were equal, they must have meant all white men who owned property.Well the laws leave alot to be disired back then. And as far as the Servents of the Pa people, well it was new land and much had to be done. I suppose they had to work the land somehow.They did so off the backs of there brothers and sisters.My opion only. I thank you for your comments on Indentured Servents , because I am here to learn as well. Mary Jane, Bright Star

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Hello, its me again, No one answered by first set of questions, re: Documents PA vs NC or any other state for that matter. Now I'll ask another: Has anyone ever heard of a GILSON book, or Book about the Gilson's (I think from Chester County, not sure though) Has anyone ever heard of the Lyons Association, and I don't mean the Lyons as we know it today, this Assoc. has something to do with the surname, what do I know, maybe it is the Lyons Club.??????? HELP Melinda in VA Searching: Blitz, Fern, Soliday, Stover, Emerson, Wilson, McGuire, Lyons Abbott, Gregg, Sweet, Wise, Hunsinger, Craigs and Fulmers that adopted the Blitz children....

Given the recent discussions regarding Indentured Servants I thought the following examples of Indentures in Chester county might be of interest: RECORDS OF THE COURTS, CHESTER CNTY, PA 1697-1710, Vol. 2 by D B Lapp & F B Dunlap p. 1 8-9 of 4th month 1697 Anthony MORGAN brought a boy whose name is James BRIGGS with his indenture to have the approbation of the Court, who agreed that the boy should Sarve the Said Anthony MORGAN as the Indenture express which is thirteen years from the seventeenth day of November Anno Domini 1696, for the consideration therin mentioned. p.7 14 Dec 1697 Peter BRITTON brought a boy whose name is Kenneth HOUSEEK whoe was ajudged to sarve his Master or Assigns five years from this Court being he had been sick a while. p.8 William DAVIS brought a boy whose name is George BLOUSTOWNE whoe was adjudged to sarve his said Master or Assignes eight years from the fourteenth day of the seventh month last if he be taught to reade and right or else but seven years and a half from said time. William DAVIS brought another boy whose name is Robert SCOTT who was ajudged to sarve his said Master of Assigns five years from the fourtheenth day of September last part. p.9 John PENNELL brought a boy whose name is John DAVIDSON whoe was ajudged to be eleven years of age and to sarve ten years from this Court one the consideration that the said John PENNELL doe taech or cause to be taught the said boy to read and to write or else the said boy to sarve but nine years to the said PENNELL or his Assigns. p.11 Thomas SMITH brought his servant boy whose name is Alexander MICKENER who having run away from his Master and for other misdemiors as alsoe atempting to kill himselfe and for what charges he put his master to was ordered to sarve his said master or his Assigns eight months after the expiration of his time if he behave himselfe well or else to sarve 10 months after. p.13 Jeremiah COLLETT brought his sarvant Girle who name is Barbara THOMSON he having been at great charge for her cure; the Court ordered to sarve to years for it after expiration of her time as she was to sarve before. p.29 John BEVAN assigned over a lad whose name is Thomas EDWARDS to Jno. WOOD for the remaining part of his time being five years and a halfe from this court and the said John WOOD is to teach or cause to be taught the said lad to read and write. p.31 Sarah MACDANIELL having some children to place out She came into Court and deseirs the assistance of the Court for the placing out of the said children - she having a son whose name is Alixander McDANIELL dose by the approbation of the said Court place the said Allixander to John HOWELL till he is of the age of twenty two years he being now one and a halfe old and the said John HOWELL or his Assignes is to teach or cause to be taught the said Allixander to read and right or else to allow the boy one year of his said time. Alsoe the said Sarah MACDANIELL does by the approbation of the said Court place oute a girl whose name is Elinor unto David PHILLIPS till she come to the age of twenty one years of age she being now three yeares old and the said David PHILLIPS is to teach or Cause to be taught the said Girle to reade and write or else allowe her one Yeare of her time. Alsoe the said Sarah MACDANIELL did by the approbation of the Court place out another Girle to Henry LEWIS till she is of age of one and twenty she being now five years of age next may the said Henry LEWIS is to teach or cause to be taught the said girle to reade and write or else to allow her one year of her time. p.36 William RATTEW past a deed of mortgage to John BALDWIN for one hundred acres of land and appurtenances thereunto belonging for the payment of twenty five pounds to be paid on the Twenty second day of the tenth month in the year 1700 for a sarvant boy the deed bearing date the fourteenth day of the first month Anno Domini 1698/9. p.74 Henry NAYL brought a servant boy to this Court whose name is Alexander STEWART whose time the said NAYL bought of Francis CHADSEY and the said boy consents and agrees to serve the said Henry ANYL one year and a quarter above his time by record if the said Henry NAYL teach him the trade of a shoemaker if not the said Henry is to allow the said boy satisfaction for the over plus time as the court shall award. p.76 William HILL Servant to Thomas WITHERS made Complaint to this Court that his said Master had sould him to Charles READ. This Court upon examination of the matter finds that the sd Thomas WITHERS hath not power to sell the Sd boy's time and there upon orders the Sd boy to return to his said Master again. p.98 Robert SINKLER petitioned this court that his present master John CROSBY was to teach him to read and write which he hath not freely performed ordered that John CROSBY put the said servant to school one month and to instruct his said servant another month.

Hi, Update on the query I sent out a week or so ago on Rachel GRUBB & Ora THOMPSON. Any info on the above families would be of interest, thank you! I found some more info today on the GRUBB-THOMPSON-WEBBER Line. At the DCHS, in the records of South Chester M. E. Church, I found the following: BAPTISMS: Date Name Born Parents 4 Sep 1914 Stanley Webber CORBIN 9 Jul 1914 Garfield & Bertha Lola May THOMPSON 9 Jan 1914 Curtis & Lola Rachel Thompson GRUBB 24 Apr 1913 Wm & Emily NOTE: They were all baptized on the same day! They are all cousins! Stanley's mother is Bertha WEBBER, her sister Goldie, m. Wm Curtis THOMPSON & had a daughter Ora. Goldie died within a year or so. Wm Curtis THOMPSON then m. Lola & had a daughter Lola May. Wm Curtis THOMPSON had a sister Emily & she m. Wm GRUBB & they had a daughter Rachel. There is more info there but at the time I copied this, I did not know Wm C. THOMPSON was Curtis THOMPSON. I think his m. records was there & some more of their children, too. I'll keep you updated on what I find. Furthermore, I'm not connected to the GRUBB but to the THOMPSON Family. Ora THOMPSON is my 1st cousin once removed & she is a 1st cousin to Rachel GRUBB! :) This is my WEBBER Line: Arthur John WEBBER, b. 1851 in MD + Mary Elizabeth HITCH, b. 1855 in MD or DE Edward WEBBER, b. 1886 MD + Susan M. McINTYRE, b. 1884 PA Edward WEBBER, b. 1905 PA + Elsie EARNEST, b. 1901 (no children) Arthur J. WEBBER, b. 1912 NJ (twin) + Doris WIRT, b. 1917 DE Arthur J. WEBBER, Jr., b. 1940 DE + Beverly MURPHY, b. 1941 DE Sally Ann WEBBER, b. 1942 DE + Kenneth MARSHALL, William A. WEBBER, b. 1912 NJ (twin) + Helen BINGLER, b. 1916 NY Helen Marie WEBBER, b. 1941 PA---(ME) Wm A. WEBBER, Jr., b. 1942 PA Pat YERGEY, b. 1941 DE Bertha WEBBER, b. 1882 DE + Garfield S. CORBIN, Sr., b. 1882 PA Garfield S. CORBIN, Jr., b. 1905 PA + Lila RIGNEE, b. c1910 DE Virginia CORBIN, b. c1930 Willis E. A. CORBIN, b. 1910 PA (d. young) Paul M. CORBIN, b. 1912 PA (d. young) Stanley CORBIN, b. 1914 PA + Dorothy JONES, b. 1919 PA Barry CORBIN Arlene CORBIN + PRICE Cheryl CORBIN + YEZUITA Barbara CORBIN + WILLIAMS Goldie WEBBER, b. 1890 MD + Wm Curtis THOMPSON, b. 1886 MD Ora THOMPSON, c1908 PA + (Archie MOORE) ? Thank you very much for any help you can give me! :) Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS)

Mary Jane, I make the distinction because "they" made the distinction. A child without a family was a financial burden on the community. Somebody had to raise the child, and adoption as we know it today did not exist. So a youngster at age 2-3 without a family in which to be raised and taught what it needed to know to become a productive member of society and was bound until the age of 21 was NOT a slave but was provided with a household in which to live, a necessary education for a trade, husbandry, or housewifery, were clothed and fed, and prepared for adulthood. Life was hard, life was brutal, and life depended on one's ability to earn a day's wages, regardless on one's age. There was no such thing as childhood in those days, many women worked outside the home, despite what people in the late 20th and early 21st century like to believe about the good old days. Many women--and men--of the lower sort had no viable means of supporting a child. A child by a previous marriage was subject to the whims of the stepfather (which accounts for so many second husbands having to sign bonds securing a child's inheritance from the first husband), and a woman had few rights to protect the child. Poverty was such an abject thing, and to be poor was considered a sin, if not a crime, that many parents bound out their children and entered the workhouse themselves. Terms of seven years were applicable to apprentice indentures, generally beginning at age 14 and ending at age 21. Binding out one's son or daughter as an apprentice was not an awful thing, and parents paid to secure an indenture with a reputable artisan. Apprentices might live with their master and his family or at home. During those seven years, the apprentice learned the skills necessary to become proficient in a trade such as blacksmithing, joinery, surveying, farming, tayloring, shad fishing, any number of trades in the case of boys and how to run a household, do millinary work, mantuamaking, dairying in the case of girls. During those seven years boys learned cyphering (simple arithmetic), the Rule of Three (simple algebra), to read the Bible, and to write and all the "secrets and mysteries" of their trade. Girls weren't always taught mathematics, but did usually learn to read if not write. They in turn promised not to reveal those secrets and mysteries to anyone or to! m! arry without their master's permission. The master was considered loci parenti (in place of the parent) and was responsible for feeding, clothing, and educating the apprentice, for discipline and religious training, as the apprentice's parent would otherwise be. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, Mary Jane, but I urge you to use caution and not to judge our ancestors' lifestyle, as their goals and frame of reference were very different from ours. And indentured servitude was not a fancy English word, but a matter of law. The fact that such laws do not apply to us to us is irrelevant. What we think of the morality of the practice of indentured servitude, call it whatever you will today, is irrelevant. More people had concerns about slavery for life than about binding out children till adulthood. Also, many people would never have gotten to America without indenturing themselves to a master either in Europe or upon arrival in America, and we probably wouldn't be having this discussion. Karen Greim Mullian booboopies@aol.com In a message dated Wed, 13 Sep 2000 5:18:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, REDSKI9136@aol.com writes: <<Hi Everyone, How can anyone say, after reading this article, that our Indentured Sevents were not slaves? I personally can not, and refuse to give it any fancy English Title. If you were living your life this way, what would you call it? African Slave Native American Slave White Slaves Indentured Servents They all equal the same thing. If a man at any point of his life, is held by an agreement, or owned, he is not his own self free. And if the Myth of Indentured servents, concerning being held for 7 years is true, then please tell me why the North held the children of these freed Indentured servents till they were 21. The North just gave slavery a fancy title, in my eyes. It really bothers me to know that while we were winning a war in the south, against our own brothers, that we had our own closets to clean out. This is just my opion, and Iam entitled to it. Mary Jane, Bright Star ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm >>

<A HREF="http://www.msstate.edu/listarchives/afrigeneas/199710/msg00025.html">Cli ck here: Indentured Servants and Slave Prices</A> http://www.msstate.edu/listarchives/afrigeneas/199710/msg00025.html Mary Jane, Bright Star

<A HREF="http://www.whc.neu.edu/prototype/06/br2n1.html">Click here: Section 6: North American Colonies -- Narrative</A> http://www.whc.neu.edu/prototype/06/br2n1.html Mary Jane, Bright Star

<A HREF="http://www.stratfordhall.org/ed-servants.htm">Click here: Indentured Servants and Transported Convicts</A> http://www.stratfordhall.org/ed-servants.htm Hi Everyone, How can anyone say, after reading this article, that our Indentured Sevents were not slaves? I personally can not, and refuse to give it any fancy English Title. If you were living your life this way, what would you call it? African Slave Native American Slave White Slaves Indentured Servents They all equal the same thing. If a man at any point of his life, is held by an agreement, or owned, he is not his own self free. And if the Myth of Indentured servents, concerning being held for 7 years is true, then please tell me why the North held the children of these freed Indentured servents till they were 21.The North just gave slavery a fancy title, in my eyes. It really bothers me to know that while we were winning a war in the south, against our own brothers, that we had our own closets to clean out.This is just my opion, and Iam entitled to it. Mary Jane, Bright Star