Hi Kim, Sorry, I can't connect your Thompsons with mine, although they could very well be connected. If I do find a connection, I'll let you know. That is such a common name, it is difficult. Phyl

Elizabeth, The Fairview Cemetery Association is located at 2nd & Chestnut Sts., Coatesville, PA 19320. The number is 610-384-6260. The Superintendent's office is at 786 Oak Street. His number is 610-384-2027. --Jeanne ----- Original Message ----- From: <Lilacdusk@aol.com> To: <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 7:22 PM Subject: [PACHESTE] Fairview Cemetery Address > The death certificate of Mary Connor Trupe (d. Feb. 11, 1907) that the place > of burial is Fairview Cemetery in Coatesville. Hopefully, some of my other > ancestors are also buried here--does anyone know the address or phone number > of Fairview Cemetery? (The family isn't listed on the Chester Cemeteries > Online.) > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Check out other counties in PA! > http://libertynet.org/~gencap/pacounties.html > > > > >

The death certificate of Mary Connor Trupe (d. Feb. 11, 1907) that the place of burial is Fairview Cemetery in Coatesville. Hopefully, some of my other ancestors are also buried here--does anyone know the address or phone number of Fairview Cemetery? (The family isn't listed on the Chester Cemeteries Online.) Thanks, Elizabeth

May I briefly join this discussion on free speech and thought? An old adage tells us that every written or spoken word is someone's opinion; a book, a speech, an E-mail - communication of any sort - provides interesting food for thought and possible further consideration, but unless the message can be proven with an unquestionable source, it's really just someone's opinion. Isn't that one of the tenants of genealogy research? When we read history, we should always try to remember that we are reading someone's opinon of the facts of the case. In all things, consider the source, evaluate the information given, and reach an informed opinion of your own. Only by knowing all sides of a question can we find the truth Here's a good example of directed thought: in many states, school textbooks are chosen by officials who are political appointees. Writers only make money if their books sell. It is a human trait for the seller to want to please the buyer. American History has been written for school textbooks in such a way that it will be the most saleable to the buyer, political appointees. History is rarely recorded without prejudice. Marj in Oriental NC

I spent the last three days in Chester Co., Pa. searching for the origins of a John Evans and his family who appeared in Loudoun County, Virginia in 1763. If anyone is interested I did have some success and would gladly share the details. The family consisted of John Evans (father), Elizabeth (wife); sons: Griffith, William, Richard, David, and Joshua; daughters: Mary, Amy or Emmet who married a Thomas, and Elizabeth. John' will is in Loudoun County and is dated 10/4/1766. John purchased land in Charles Town Township, Chester Co., Pa in 1724 and lived there until 1763 when he moved with most of his family to Loudoun County, Va. He was a blacksmith, as were most of his sons. His sons David and Griffith Evans have wills in Tredyffrin Township, Chester County, Pa. I would be pleased to share with anyone interested in this family. If anyone knows more about them, particularly John's parentage, I would like to hear from them.

I watch very little TV but "I" saw and heard a good portion of the head of the Bureau of Indian Affairs, himself an Indian, speech of apology. I don't have cable, all I have is network TV. It was on the regular network news. Judy in MI

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Good morning Bright Star, I have read your words and I see much wisdom as well as outrage....and yes , outrageous things have occurred. The treaty violations were egregious...but....the important thing to concentrate on in my opinion is how to stop the victimization. This gets into the political realm and so I'm going to take my remarks off list at this point. malinda REDSKI9136@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/14/00 10:37:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mthiesse@swbell.net writes: > > << The forefathers had a great vision...and they were thinking of us when > they laid > the foundations for the country we now have. America is a work in progress > and > compromises had to be made in her creation. Such is the way of democracy . >> > > Hi Malinda, > > As always, your words speak volumes. And I am listening. I not > long ago, read a book called, "Political Thought in America ". Well much to > my dismay, it was a real eye opener. This particular book was taught in 1959 > at the Univer. of North Carolina. It was written by Andrew M. Scott. And it > was published by Rinehart and Co. Inc.N.Y. Well when I first read it, I went > to my mother and some of my elders, who were in school at the time, and they > were also surprised at the things that were being taught. I had to ask > myself, was there a different way of learning in the South then in the North? > Anyway if you ever get a chance to pick it up, it is very interesting. > It speaks of so many things to do with our forefathers. I know the task of > building our Country was far from an easy job. And I know that we have come > such a long way in history. A good way, with very great minds. But I have to > wonder about some things. > We ( our ancestors) have in the past, signed treaties with Native American > people. > They have not been honered. Just last week, the Bureau of Indian Affairs, > made an apology (public one) to the Native American Indians, for everything > they have done to them, over many years. Do you see this on any news station? > Or in the papers? Why, is what I want to know. My son in colledge says it is > being talked about in school. How do we keep faith as the Nation that we are, > if we break our own treaties with people who live in America itself? Lets > face it, we have much to say to other countries who don't honer there United > Nations agreements or treaties. But we brake our own. Is this how the > forfathers wanted it to be? Have we come so far, to still be hurting our > own?The Lenape Native Americans are a very big part of PA. history, are we to > just lose all of this? The Native American Indians, don't even have one > holiday > for any of there Chiefs. Well Malinda, It has been great posting to you, as > always. > Talk to you later. > > Bright Star > <A HREF="http://www.doi.gov/bia/as-ia/175gover.htm">Click here: ~LWF0000</A> > http://www.doi.gov/bia/as-ia/175gover.htm

In a message dated 9/14/00 10:50:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mthiesse@swbell.net writes: << Hello again Bright Star.....I found this Jeferson quote attached to someone else's message and thought of you. He seems to be describing what you are grappling with , don't you think ? We are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead, nor to tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it.........Jefferson >> Hi Malinda, Yes I do agree !!! LOL As long as we are free to speak the words of our hearts, I shall not be afraid. I will also reconize the errors of life and self, as long as I can defend those errors. Hugs, Bright Star

In a message dated 9/14/00 10:37:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mthiesse@swbell.net writes: << The forefathers had a great vision...and they were thinking of us when they laid the foundations for the country we now have. America is a work in progress and compromises had to be made in her creation. Such is the way of democracy . >> Hi Malinda, As always, your words speak volumes. And I am listening. I not long ago, read a book called, "Political Thought in America ". Well much to my dismay, it was a real eye opener. This particular book was taught in 1959 at the Univer. of North Carolina. It was written by Andrew M. Scott. And it was published by Rinehart and Co. Inc.N.Y. Well when I first read it, I went to my mother and some of my elders, who were in school at the time, and they were also surprised at the things that were being taught. I had to ask myself, was there a different way of learning in the South then in the North? Anyway if you ever get a chance to pick it up, it is very interesting. It speaks of so many things to do with our forefathers. I know the task of building our Country was far from an easy job. And I know that we have come such a long way in history. A good way, with very great minds. But I have to wonder about some things. We ( our ancestors) have in the past, signed treaties with Native American people. They have not been honered. Just last week, the Bureau of Indian Affairs, made an apology (public one) to the Native American Indians, for everything they have done to them, over many years. Do you see this on any news station? Or in the papers? Why, is what I want to know. My son in colledge says it is being talked about in school. How do we keep faith as the Nation that we are, if we break our own treaties with people who live in America itself? Lets face it, we have much to say to other countries who don't honer there United Nations agreements or treaties. But we brake our own. Is this how the forfathers wanted it to be? Have we come so far, to still be hurting our own?The Lenape Native Americans are a very big part of PA. history, are we to just lose all of this? The Native American Indians, don't even have one holiday for any of there Chiefs. Well Malinda, It has been great posting to you, as always. Talk to you later. Bright Star <A HREF="http://www.doi.gov/bia/as-ia/175gover.htm">Click here: ~LWF0000</A> http://www.doi.gov/bia/as-ia/175gover.htm

In a message dated 9/14/00 7:43:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, derick@twave.net writes: << One of our Hartshorne brethren, Richard Hartshorn, a prominent Quaker fleeing England, settled in Monmouth Co., New Jersey. He initiated many friendships with the Lenape and he speaks kindly of them in many existing letters. There is still exists a deed with his signature next to that of several Lenape chiefs. >> Hi Derick, Yes the Quaker people were very helpfuf to Native Americans and African Americans as well. In the early days of our history, some of the Quakers would try and teach the NA. They went were others would not.They took care of sick NA children and alot of times at risk of their own life.They were a big help with the Underground Railroad, bring slaves to freedom. And many times giving them a job on Quaker farms.Yes I also agree that alot of credit goes to our Pioneers of yesterday. Thank You for your post. Mary Jane, Bright Star

In a message dated 9/14/00 7:00:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, msutphin@tcia.net writes: << library the immigration of James Mcpeak, "from port in Ireland, 13 August 1773, indentured servant for one year at 7.10.0. to William Breslin and assignees, residence W. Nantmill, Chester County, PA. I found on the web in immigrations, James McPeak, 13 Aug. 1773 indentured to William BRISBIN and Assignees, Salisbury Twp. Lancaster County PA. one year, 7.10.0. Have I been searching the wrong county all these years?? Were there two James Mcpeaks indentured on the same day, to same William Breslin/Brisbin, but in differant counties? >> Hi, There could be an explaination for this. #1 the original person he was indentured to, may have died on the same day, and of course the Indenturment could have been transferred to the second person listed. # 2 The original person listed as paying the passage, could have just transferred it to another, not needing his service. In which case the first person, would have been paid in full by second person, who could use his service. #3 May have been one family member transfer to another family member. Mary Jane, Bright Star

Faggs Manor is near Cochranville, Chester County. It is currently part of the Octorara School District.The Chester County Historical Society should be your first place to look. Their files are excellent! Good luck. --Jeanne ----- Original Message ----- From: <PhylWhel@aol.com> To: <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 10:35 PM Subject: [PACHESTE] Foggs Manor , Moss, Thompson, Downard, Small > Where is Foggs Manor, and what is it? My ggg grandfather, Joseph, who died > in 1841 in Fayette Co., PA was born in Foggs Manor, Chester Co., PA in 1748 > and served in the Rev. War. He married Anne Thompson, daughter of Jacob > Thompson and Anne Downard. Joseph's parents were James Moss and Sarah Small. > Does anyone connect with these people? > Phyllis Whelan in Michigan > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > >

Where is Foggs Manor, and what is it? My ggg grandfather, Joseph, who died in 1841 in Fayette Co., PA was born in Foggs Manor, Chester Co., PA in 1748 and served in the Rev. War. He married Anne Thompson, daughter of Jacob Thompson and Anne Downard. Joseph's parents were James Moss and Sarah Small. Does anyone connect with these people? Phyllis Whelan in Michigan

Good evening, Have a couple of quetions, Between the years of 1840 through 1920 1. Does anyone know what local newspapers were circulated throughout Chester County down to the Md State Line. Checked the Papers in MD today at the historical society in Elkton and could not find the death and marriage announcements. 2. Does anyone have a list of the churches in Chester County, especially around West Nottingham and Nottingham townships and southern chester county to the Md state line. Still trying to locate the Johnsons and Coopers of Chester County, PA. Thanks, Frank

Hello again Bright Star.....I found this Jeferson quote attached to someone else's message and thought of you. He seems to be describing what you are grappling with , don't you think ? We are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead, nor to tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it.........Jefferson enjoy....malinda

Hello Bright Star..... As Thomas Jefferson noted , " The price of liberty is eternal vigilance". I think he would very much approve of your questioning . There is a tendnecy to grow complacent...that can be dangerous and create space for abuse in high places. The forefathers had a great vision...and they were thinking of us when they laid the foundations for the country we now have. America is a work in progress and compromises had to be made in her creation. Such is the way of democracy . I descend from both the oppressed and the oppressors ....one could even say that women have been the designated oppressed group throughout history. Our job is to learn...to advance the cause of liberty and the development of the human spirit....and to be vigilant. I was taught by a great man (my father) that all who had gone before me had built and sacriced...that some had sacrificed their lives for me. And to make sure their sacrifices had not been in vain. Our forefathers put it all on the line for us. Those who had much, also had much to lose...their lives , their liberty and their sacred honor were not empty phrases. They would not have died pleasant deaths if their cause had not been won....and their families would have been utterly ruined. One need only look at the centuries of English history (which they were all too familiar with) to understand what would have occurred. I take that very personally...always have. But.... I also look very critically at big government. The Government (writ large) is not America...we are. malinda REDSKI9136@aol.com wrote: > Hello List, > > I don't want anyone to think I am against our ancesters. I just > want to know the how and whys of their lifes, and anything to do with how > they lived.I come from 9 generations of Chester Co. dairy farmers. I know > they had a hard life. Somtimes I think our farmers, of all types are very > much over looked. I support them completely. > I suppose if I had been taught about Native Americans and African Americans, > I may not have this deep desire, to know how are lifes, reflected each other. > When I found that I had a Lenape grandmother, I was even more curious about > her life.I wondered such things as, was she loved by my grandfather. Was she > a gift from some connection between her people the Lenapes, and this English > man. All kinds of things I wanted to know. I know most of you have probably > been doing geneology for many years. But only in the last couple of years has > it been so easy to find records. > Not only that but, we now have the best oppurtuity in our lives to see what > Educators are teaching, and putting out there for all to see. Gone are the > days of only visiting our archive offices and having to buy a book ( if you > could find it) on history.Now we have history and records at the press of a > few buttons. We also have links to our Goverment, we never had before. They > have some of the best info out there. We get to see the old laws and copies > of treaties, and records we may never have had an oppurtnity to look at. I am > sorry if I was a bit hard on a past President, who was a slave holder. And > also on my remark, reguarding the Constitution. But the truth of the matter > is, these things are being taught in our Universitys today. My son is in the > third year of colledge, and he said, that it was White, land owning , men, > that were equal, when that statment about ALL MEN ARE EQUAL, in our > Constitution, was written. Well I guess that ticked me off a bit. How many > other non-land owning men, were brakeing their backs to build this land. My > grandfather, maybe yours? I know I cannot change history, but I feel if I > don't speak out, then I in my existance would only be a part of it and a > lie.To many men, have died and suffered to build what we have today. > > Mary Jane, Bright Star > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Check out other counties in PA! > http://libertynet.org/~gencap/pacounties.html

Frank: For this area you should check the old newspaper files from Oxford Borough. I don't know how far they go back. -----Original Message----- From: Frank Patnaude <Patnaude@bellatlantic.net> To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, September 14, 2000 6:39 PM Subject: [PACHESTE] Newspapers >Good evening, > >Have a couple of quetions, > >1. Does anyone know what local newspapers were circulated throughout >Chester County down to the Md State Line. Checked the Papers in MD today at >the historical society in Elkton and could not find the death and marriage >announcements. > >2. Does anyone have a list of the churches in Chester County, especially >around West Nottingham and Nottingham townships and southern chester county >to the Md state line. > >Still trying to locate the Johnsons and Coopers of Chester County, PA. > >Thanks, > >Frank > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >To post a message to this list, send your message to >PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com > > > >

At 06:43 PM 9/14/00, you wrote: >Hello List, > > I don't want anyone to think I am against our ancesters. I just >want to know the how and whys of their lifes, and anything to do with how >they lived.I come from 9 generations of Chester Co. dairy farmers. I know >they had a hard life. Somtimes I think our farmers, of all types are very >much over looked. I support them completely. With great truth do you speak!!! Any farmer, anywhere, has (and had) it rough. My Whites and Givens' families were farmers (who wasn't?) that left West Nottingham and Oxford just before the Revolutionary War for the fertile Piedmont of North Carolina. Before 1770, I'm told, 640 acres of land in Penn. would go for $300, in North Carolina, $30. Many Germans had come before them. In the late 1740s, they began to stream, down the "Old Wagon Road"--from Lancaster, York, Berks counties to the land "West of the Catawba." Catawba and Lincoln counties were their primary settlements. The Northern Irish and British settled a little west of them, in what is today Gaston and Rutherford counties. With the exception of the French & Indian War, which affected these lands west of the Catawba, betwen 1752 and 1764 travel was almost continuous until the Revolution. Many of these folks arrived in time to participate in the war. Whites and Givens' served at the Battle of Charleston, Cowpens, King's Mountain and the Battle of Guilford Courthouse. >I suppose if I had been taught about Native Americans and African Americans, >I may not have this deep desire, to know how are lifes, reflected each other. Those, of whom you speak, face almost insurmountable hurdles. I have discovered a Choctaw Hartshorne that lived till nearly 100, in former Indian Territory in Oklahoma. >When I found that I had a Lenape grandmother, I was even more curious about >her life.I wondered such things as, was she loved by my grandfather. Was she >a gift from some connection between her people the Lenapes, and this English >man. All kinds of things I wanted to know. I know most of you have probably >been doing geneology for many years. But only in the last couple of years has >it been so easy to find records. One of our Hartshorne brethren, Richard Hartshorn, a prominent Quaker fleeing England, settled in Monmouth Co., New Jersey. He initiated many friendships with the Lenape and he speaks kindly of them in many existing letters. There is still exists a deed with his signature next to that of several Lenape chiefs. >Not only that but, we now have the best oppurtuity in our lives to see what >Educators are teaching, and putting out there for all to see. Gone are the >days of only visiting our archive offices and having to buy a book ( if you >could find it) on history.Now we have history and records at the press of a >few buttons. We also have links to our Goverment, we never had before. They >have some of the best info out there. We get to see the old laws and copies >of treaties, and records we may never have had an oppurtnity to look at. I had the opportunity to see actual copies of the letters William Hartshorne's letters to George Washington. I have found photos of long distant cousins. I never fail to be amazed at what I can find. > I am >sorry if I was a bit hard on a past President, who was a slave holder. And >also on my remark, reguarding the Constitution. But the truth of the matter >is, these things are being taught in our Universitys today. My son is in the >third year of colledge, and he said, that it was White, land owning , men, >that were equal, when that statment about ALL MEN ARE EQUAL, in our >Constitution, was written. Well I guess that ticked me off a bit. How many >other non-land owning men, were brakeing their backs to build this land. My >grandfather, maybe yours? I know I cannot change history, but I feel if I >don't speak out, then I in my existance would only be a part of it and a >lie.To many men, have died and suffered to build what we have today. > > Mary Jane, Bright Star In researching my surname, Hartshorn, I discovered that there were few slave owners. I have been able to help black Hartshorns discover much more than they could on their own. These few slave owners, (all three that I have found), all released their slaves at a stated time after their deaths, and certainly upon the death of the wife which was in the 18th century, long before the Abolutionist movement began.. It is interesting to speculate what would have been. In spite of our weaknesses and past errors, we have become the model, in some eyes, of the perfect republic. I think, in no small part, much of the credit goes to those early pioneer ancestors that all of us descend from. Derick S. Hartshorn Asst. State Coordinator, NCGenWeb Page owner - Catawba Co. NCGenWeb page - Burke Co. NCGenWeb page - Hartshorn Family home page List owner - Catawba-West-L - NCBURKE-L - NCLINCOL-L - NCTRYON-L - HARTSHORN-L - WHITE-PA-NC-L

I have a problem. Probably twenty-five years ago, I found in a book, I believe on immigrations, at the Roanoke, VA. library the immigration of James Mcpeak, "from port in Ireland, 13 August 1773, indentured servant for one year at 7.10.0. to William Breslin and assignees, residence W. Nantmill, Chester County, PA. I found on the web in immigrations, James McPeak, 13 Aug. 1773 indentured to William BRISBIN and Assignees, Salisbury Twp. Lancaster County PA. one year, 7.10.0. Have I been searching the wrong county all these years?? Were there two James Mcpeaks indentured on the same day, to same William Breslin/Brisbin, but in differant counties? Any help appreciated. Mary A. Powell Sutphin