I have a printout of the census index for all Moore's listed by county - only thing, the counties not identified on the printout, from Automated Archives 1870 census today. I only wanted Berks, Chester, Dauphin, Lancaster, Delaware and Philadelphia Counties, but no way to select just some of it without spending a year selecting one name at a time. So if anyone needs a lookup - it gives page numbers and reel numbers and township, and the reel numbers are different from teh ones my library uses. I also have a (handwritten) list of all Thomas Moore's in Pennsylvania, for 1850 and 1860, and lists for some of these years in Maryland and Delaware. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

I have a printout of the census index for all Moore's listed by county - only thing, the counties not identified on the printout, from Automated Archives 1870 census today. I only wanted Berks, Chester, Dauphin, Lancaster, Delaware and Philadelphia Counties, but no way to select just some of it without spending a year selecting one name at a time. So if anyone needs a lookup - it gives page numbers and reel numbers and township, and the reel numbers are different from teh ones my library uses. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Since my guess is that this posting was "lifted" from a recent RootsWeb news letter -- where I also read it with some interest -- the niceties of copywrite law, etc, would suggest that the appropriate attribution be provided. HMWEBBER@aol.com wrote: > MY COUSIN, MY SELF > > by Duane F. Alwin dfa@umich.edu > > The word "cousin" has a variety of meanings, some of which are > > more precise than others. We often use the word in a general way > > to refer to any collaterally related persons more distant than > > siblings who share a common ancestor. When we want to be more > > specific, we use the term in a different way: cousins (or first > > cousins) are the children of siblings. That is to say, the > > children of my aunts and uncles are my first cousins. > > Second cousins, on the other hand, are the children of first > > cousins, and third cousins are the children of second cousins, > > and so on. In other words, my second cousins are the children of > > my parents' first cousins, and my third cousins are the > > grandchildren of my grandparents' first cousins. > > The degree of cousinness, thus, simply follows generational > > lines, given kinship relations defined by a common ancestor. By > > contrast, when one crosses generational lines to express > > relationships among cousins in an adjacent generation or across > > several generations, one normally expresses these cousin > > relations as "once removed" or "twice removed" according to how > > many generations separate the related individuals. Thus, one is > > a first cousin once removed (1C1R) to his or her parents' first > > cousins, or to the children of his or her first cousins. > > I have always gotten a kick out of telling people that I am a > > cousin to myself. My maternal grandparents were first cousins > > once removed -- my grandfather married the daughter of his first > > cousin. His cousin was 15 years his senior and he was a few > > years older than my grandmother. In any event, following the > > above definitions -- second cousins are the children of first > > cousins -- we can see what may appear to be a contradiction. > > Because they are both daughters of first cousins, my mother is a > > second cousin to her own mother. This makes me a third cousin to > > my mother, as she and I are both children of second cousins in > > the same ancestral lineage. And, of course, to myself I am a > > third cousin, once removed (3C1R). Thus, when I use my genealogy > > software to print out the descendants of Samuel CHACEY (our > > common ancestor) I appear twice (and in different generations)-- > > once as a descendant of my grandfather and once in my > > grandmother's line. What better proof that I am my own cousin. > > Matings between cousins are called consanguineal, meaning that > > the members of the pair have one or more common ancestors. In > > some geographical areas at some times such matings can be quite > > common. Whether we know it or not, each of us probably has some > > consanguineous marriage in their pedigree. Most cultures have > > rules that regulate the degree of relationship permitted between > > two individuals who wish to marry. > > In many societies, including our own, marriages between first > > cousins, uncles and nieces, and aunts and nephews, are typically > > discouraged or in some cases outlawed. Although it would mean > > fewer grandparents to keep track of, such matings are probably > > not a good thing. Individuals with rare recessive sex-linked > > traits are often the offspring of such matings. On the other > > hand, such consanguineous matings are not necessarily > > undesirable. Charles DARWIN married his first cousin Emma > > WEDGWOOD, and the entire Darwin-Wedgwood lineage was highly > > inbred. Some have speculated that the pre-eminence of this > > lineage in the arts, sciences, and the professions may have > > resulted from some inbred genetic trait. But this is probably > > the exception, and genetic diversity in families is probably > > healthier over the long run. > > [Duane F. Alwin is Professor of Sociology at the University of > > Michigan, where he teaches social psychology, the family and > > research methods. In his spare time he actively pursues the > > history of his own family.] > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > To post a message to this list, send your message to > PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com

http://www.will-britt-books.com/ Specializing in SEastern PA. Judy Ardine wrote: > I've have good success buying at > http://www.willowbendbooks.com > Family Line Publications and WillowBend Books have merged and the above is > their site URL. I've also gotten books from WillBritt but can't find their > URL. The e-mail addy is > jbritt@fast.net > You might try > http://host.fptoday.com/will-britt-books > but I'm not really sure about that URL > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm

Looking for information on Keenen and Glauner Families in Berks, Chester, and Lancaster Counties before 1860. Specifically the families of Benjamen Franklin Keenen Jr. and Barbara Glauner. Thank You, Kelly Smith Look-up Volunteer Union County, Ohio Logan County, Ohio _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

Can people please tell me about all Moore families they know of that lived in or near Lower Oxford Township in the 19th century? I'm trying to place one of them in their family group. Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

My 2X great grandfather, Thomas M. Moore, owned land in Lower Oxford township in 1850 census, and in 1860 census was a laborer livingin Safe Harbor, which I learned is in Conestoga township, Lancaster County. I have only county maps available to me, and don't have the hardbound one of Lancaster County available to me at the moment. The Chester County genweb site has a township map of Chester County, but the Lancaster County genweb site does not have a township map of the county. I did at one time locate Conestoga Township in Lancaster County on the map, and I just learned where is Lower Oxford Township in Chester County. I just realized that my wandering and hard to locate ancestor may not really have done much wandering at all. How far in miles is Safe Harbor from Lower Oxford Township? >From my memory, I think they may not be more than twenty miles apart. My memory kind of suggests they are at about equal short distances from the Maryland state line. I recall Conestoga township being just right of center and fairly large, in Lancaster County, and I think I had trouble exactly locating Safe Harbor, though the gazeteer says it is in Conestoga township. Lower Oxford township is at the western edge of Chester County in a portion that actually bulges into Lancaster County. After presumably going maybe 20 miles to find work, Thomas Moore, his wife, and his eldest son, atleast in any capacity as guardian of Thomas's other children if something had happened to Thomas and his wife, all disappeared from the face of the planet. They cannot be found in the 1870 census, by the method I found successful in locating Thomas Moore in the first place - looking at every eligible household with heads of household by those names in the three states. You'd think that for instance if Thomas had died, his wife or eldest son would be the head of household. Where should I be looking for the records of what happened? What townships, what graveyards, and where for court records? And in what places would people suggest I check on the possibility that Thomas died and relatives took in the widow and children, by looking at ALL the Moore households. You know that's an overwhelming task if I cast my net too wide. Looking up all 90 Thomas Moore households in the 1860 census in Pennsylvania was about as wide as I want to cast a net... And God help me if the relatives they lived with weren't named Moore - could make more sense just to read through the census for a few towns. Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Dora, Most of those "compiled church records" run from 1681-1800. The four volumes in my collection do. Karen Greim Mullian booboopies@aol.com In a message dated Thu, 21 Sep 2000 1:25:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dora Smith <tiggernut_48@yahoo.com> writes: << Could someone please look for me in those compiled church records of teh Chester, Delaware, and New Castle County area, for a marriage of Thomas Moore, who owned a farm in Lower Oxford township in 1850, no telling when or how he acuired it and it apparently didn't take him long to lose it, to Emaline or Emeline, possibly Riker, born probably in Maryland. From 1850 and 1860 census, Thomas Moore was born about 1820-25, and Emaline or Emeline was born about 1828-31. Their first child, William, was born in early 1850, according to 1850 census, though 1860 census has him 12 years old. The 1860 census had only the age of my great grandfather, who was eleven months old, right. Thanks alot! Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== Check out other counties in PA! http://libertynet.org/~gencap/pacounties.html >>

John ROBERTS (1721-1778) m. Jane DOWNING (1723-1795) in Uwchlan Twp on 1 Jun 1743. They had 11 children: Ann, Thomas, Isaac, Hannah, Sarah, Jehu, Mary, Jane, Thomazine, John, and Elizabeth. Would anyone have the children's birth/death dates? Any further information on the family (spouses, children, etc) appreciated. Ray Downing, Las Vegas, NV

Willow Bend Books URL is ........ http://www.WillowBendBooks.com Garry- Judy Ardine wrote: > > I've have good success buying at > http://www.willowbendbooks.com > Family Line Publications and WillowBend Books have merged and the above is > their site URL. I've also gotten books from WillBritt but can't find their > URL. The e-mail addy is > jbritt@fast.net > You might try > http://host.fptoday.com/will-britt-books > but I'm not really sure about that URL > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm

MY COUSIN, MY SELF by Duane F. Alwin dfa@umich.edu The word "cousin" has a variety of meanings, some of which are more precise than others. We often use the word in a general way to refer to any collaterally related persons more distant than siblings who share a common ancestor. When we want to be more specific, we use the term in a different way: cousins (or first cousins) are the children of siblings. That is to say, the children of my aunts and uncles are my first cousins. Second cousins, on the other hand, are the children of first cousins, and third cousins are the children of second cousins, and so on. In other words, my second cousins are the children of my parents' first cousins, and my third cousins are the grandchildren of my grandparents' first cousins. The degree of cousinness, thus, simply follows generational lines, given kinship relations defined by a common ancestor. By contrast, when one crosses generational lines to express relationships among cousins in an adjacent generation or across several generations, one normally expresses these cousin relations as "once removed" or "twice removed" according to how many generations separate the related individuals. Thus, one is a first cousin once removed (1C1R) to his or her parents' first cousins, or to the children of his or her first cousins. I have always gotten a kick out of telling people that I am a cousin to myself. My maternal grandparents were first cousins once removed -- my grandfather married the daughter of his first cousin. His cousin was 15 years his senior and he was a few years older than my grandmother. In any event, following the above definitions -- second cousins are the children of first cousins -- we can see what may appear to be a contradiction. Because they are both daughters of first cousins, my mother is a second cousin to her own mother. This makes me a third cousin to my mother, as she and I are both children of second cousins in the same ancestral lineage. And, of course, to myself I am a third cousin, once removed (3C1R). Thus, when I use my genealogy software to print out the descendants of Samuel CHACEY (our common ancestor) I appear twice (and in different generations)-- once as a descendant of my grandfather and once in my grandmother's line. What better proof that I am my own cousin. Matings between cousins are called consanguineal, meaning that the members of the pair have one or more common ancestors. In some geographical areas at some times such matings can be quite common. Whether we know it or not, each of us probably has some consanguineous marriage in their pedigree. Most cultures have rules that regulate the degree of relationship permitted between two individuals who wish to marry. In many societies, including our own, marriages between first cousins, uncles and nieces, and aunts and nephews, are typically discouraged or in some cases outlawed. Although it would mean fewer grandparents to keep track of, such matings are probably not a good thing. Individuals with rare recessive sex-linked traits are often the offspring of such matings. On the other hand, such consanguineous matings are not necessarily undesirable. Charles DARWIN married his first cousin Emma WEDGWOOD, and the entire Darwin-Wedgwood lineage was highly inbred. Some have speculated that the pre-eminence of this lineage in the arts, sciences, and the professions may have resulted from some inbred genetic trait. But this is probably the exception, and genetic diversity in families is probably healthier over the long run. [Duane F. Alwin is Professor of Sociology at the University of Michigan, where he teaches social psychology, the family and research methods. In his spare time he actively pursues the history of his own family.]

Hi Mary Jane, it comes back as error. Roslyn -----Original Message----- From: REDSKI9136@aol.com <REDSKI9136@aol.com> To: PADELAWA-L@rootsweb.com <PADELAWA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, September 21, 2000 4:22 AM Subject: CHESTER, CO. PA > <A HREF="http://fisher.lib.virginia.edu/cgi-local/censusbin/census/cen.pl">C l>ick here: 1790 US Census Data</A> >http://fisher.lib.virginia.edu/cgi-local/censusbin/census/cen.pl > > > Mary Jane, Bright star Hi, I tried to send the link above, which went straight to Chester Co., I wanted to bypass the stuff of National link. I guess the National link, is the way to get there. I sent that as well. Sorry for any confusion. Mary Jane, Bright Star

I posted this earlier - but it didn't post. I have Thomas M Moore, Lower Oxford Township, age 30 in 1850 census, farmer, owned land worth $800, wife Emeline, age 22, son William E., age 7 months. Elizabeth Riker, age 60 and born in NY, appears to have lived in the same household. I need Thomas's parents, wife's maiden name and parents, and what happened to him. By 1860, this family lived in Lancaster County and he is a laborer. In 1870, the family was still elsewhere and I do not yet know where. They weren't some place real logical, like in Wilmington, in Maryland, in Lancaster County, in Berks or Dauphin Counties, and probably not in Philadelphia. By June 1880, Thomas's son Charles (not born until 1859) was married to a girl who lived in Dauphin County near Steelton and Highspire. They may also have lived in Reading, Berks Co for a time, as the girl's family lived there, too, and a child was reported to have been born there. In 1900 Charles Moore lived in Wilmington with wife and children, because he had kin of some sort living there at that time. Between 1904 and 1908, the family moved to Philadelphia. And some terrible story the relatives don't want to tell contributed to the wandering. Thomas Moore is reported born on Pennsylvania with absolute consistency. Emaline/ Emeline is sometimes reported as being born in Maryland,other times in Pennsylvania. 1850 census has: Thomas Moore age 35, laborer, no real estate, personal property valued $75, b PA. Emaline, age 29. b Maryland. Unable to read and write. And probably the informant. If Thomas was a laborer he was at work when the enumerator stopped by. Appears she also could not count. Though my literate Weiss 3X ggparents got everyone's ages as wildly off. William age 12 Elizabeth age 7 Francis age 6 Ida age 4 Charles age 11 months (exactly correct). The name Francis should be a clue; more than likely it appears elsewhere in Thomas's or Emaline's/Emeline's family. Not many Moores with that name, but there were some, and a number of them lived in southeastern PA. Thomas the father of Charles was probably born about 1825-1830, Emaline/ Emeline was probably born 1828-1831, and William E. Moore probably really was born early in 1850. Charles Moore was born August 3, 1859. Could someone please look up this family in Passmore's Andrew Moore genealogy for me. This large Quaker family was all over the Wedge, a heritage that is suggested by the way this family and reports of them turn up all over Maryland, northern Delaware and southeastern Pennsylvania. A family from the region where noone behaved as if political boundaries near where the three state lines join would behave like this. Now the family has been pinpointed in Chester County and proven to have had roots there - Thomas, who was only 25 to 30 years old in 1850 when we know taht he owned the farm, at one point owned a moderate sized farm worth $800 in 1850. So the chances are real good that he is of the Andrew Moore family - though they could also have easily come from Ireland a generation earlier. It is not unlikely that Emaline/ Emeline really was born in Maryland, in Cecil County. Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Could someone please look for me in those compiled church records of teh Chester, Delaware, and New Castle County area, for a marriage of Thomas Moore, who owned a farm in Lower Oxford township in 1850, no telling when or how he acuired it and it apparently didn't take him long to lose it, to Emaline or Emeline, possibly Riker, born probably in Maryland. From 1850 and 1860 census, Thomas Moore was born about 1820-25, and Emaline or Emeline was born about 1828-31. Their first child, William, was born in early 1850, according to 1850 census, though 1860 census has him 12 years old. The 1860 census had only the age of my great grandfather, who was eleven months old, right. Thanks alot! Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

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I have Thomas M Moore, Lower Oxford Township, age 30 in 1850 census, farmer, owned land worth $800, wife Emeline, age 22, son William E., age 7 months. Elizabeth Riker, age 60 and born in NY, appears to have lived in the same household. I need Thomas's parents, wife's maiden name and parents, and what happened to him. By 1860, this family lived in Lancaster County and he is a laborer. In 1870, the family was still elsewhere and I do not yet know where. By June 1880, Thomas's son Charles (not born until 1859) was married to a girl who lived in Dauphin County near Steelton and Highspire. They may also have lived in Reading, Berks Co for a time. In 1900 Charles Moore lived in Wilmington with wife and children, because he had kin of some sort living there at that time. Between 1904 and 1908, the family moved to Philadelphia. Thomas Moore is reported born on Pennsylvania with absolute consistency. Emaline/ Emeline is sometimes reported as being born in Maryland,other times in Pennsylvania. 1850 census has: Thomas Moore age 35, laborer, no real estate, personal property valued $75, b PA. Emaline, age 29. b Maryland. Unable to read and write. And probably the informant. If Thomas was a laborer he was at work when the enumerator stopped by. Appears she also could not count. Though my literate Weiss 3X ggparents got everyone's ages as wildly off. William age 12 Elizabeth age 7 Francis age 6 Ida age 4 Charles age 11 months (exactly correct). The name Francis should be a clue; more than likely it appears elsewhere in Thomas's or Emaline's/Emeline's family. Not many Moores with that name, but there were some, and a number of them lived in southeastern PA. Thomas the father of Charles was probably born about 1825-1830, Emaline/ Emeline was probably born 1828-1831, and William E. Moore probably really was born early in 1850. Charles Moore was born August 3, 1859. Could someone please look up this family in Passmore's Andrew Moore genealogy for me. This large Quaker family was all over the Wedge, a heritage that is suggested by the way this family and reports of them turn up all over Maryland, northern Delaware and southeastern Pennsylvania. A family from the region where noone behaved as if political boundaries near where the three state lines join would behave like this. Now the family has been pinpointed in Chester County and proven to have had roots there - Thomas, who was only 25 to 30 years old in 1850 when we know taht he owned the farm, at one point owned a moderate sized farm worth $800 in 1850. So the chances are real good that he is of the Andrew Moore family - though they could also have easily come from Ireland a generation earlier. It is not unlikely that Emaline/ Emeline really was born in Maryland, in Cecil County. Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

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I am so happy about you site I been looking for those papers and did not know where to get them my local gene libuary did not have them Dotty Davis Hunt Tony Vernon wrote: > > Hello, > > According to the Vernon Vignettes, Greta Vernon Davis Ramsay did a great > deal of research on Thomas, Randal and Robert VERNON, who settled in > Chester PA in 1681/2. Page 14 of the June 1974 VV says that her > manuscripts were donated to the Chester County Historical Society > Library in West Chester, PA. Are those documents still available? > > Several of us are working to digitize the Vernon Vignettes. Bryce > Vernon has scanned 4 issues so far, and they can be found at > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~quakervernons/main.htm > > This web page is just starting and it's my first project like this, so > please be patient, and comments are welcome! > > Thanks, > Tony > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Check out the searchable US GenWeb Project Archives! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/usgwarch.html -- http://home.att.net/~mouserwitz Genealogy http://home.att.net/~ddavis2

I've have good success buying at http://www.willowbendbooks.com Family Line Publications and WillowBend Books have merged and the above is their site URL. I've also gotten books from WillBritt but can't find their URL. The e-mail addy is jbritt@fast.net You might try http://host.fptoday.com/will-britt-books but I'm not really sure about that URL

Hello, According to the Vernon Vignettes, Greta Vernon Davis Ramsay did a great deal of research on Thomas, Randal and Robert VERNON, who settled in Chester PA in 1681/2. Page 14 of the June 1974 VV says that her manuscripts were donated to the Chester County Historical Society Library in West Chester, PA. Are those documents still available? Several of us are working to digitize the Vernon Vignettes. Bryce Vernon has scanned 4 issues so far, and they can be found at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~quakervernons/main.htm This web page is just starting and it's my first project like this, so please be patient, and comments are welcome! Thanks, Tony