Thanks, Gail and Anne, for your insights into distances between towns in Chester and Lancaster counties. Is West Nantmeal near Brandywine Township at all? Would someone living in West Nantmeal (family wills were made there) say they were from Brandywine on their marriage record? Thanks again, Carol ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

The best atlas of the 5-county Philadelphia area is by Franklin Maps in King of Prussia. The advantage it has over ADC is that all of the maps are to the same scale,so that when you go to match different sections, they are not out of whack. By the way, Franklin also sells reproductions of historical maps of the area and has a large library of old atlases. They happily help you look things up on the old maps if you come to the store, even if you don't buy anything. Very nice people. In a message dated 9/23/00 9:01:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, awiegle@fast.net writes: << ADC of Alexandria Inc. 6440 General gReen Way Alexandria VA 22312 (703) 750-0510 They make county maps (booklets of detailed maps) They have Chester, Delaware, bucks, MOntgomery, Phila, Lancaster, York. counties. There are other companies that make similar maps. >>

In West Texas...all of the little old towns are the exact distance apart that it took for a day long trip on horse back.....20 miles. That's also why they hung horse thieves....getting stranded could prove fatal. malinda Dora Smith wrote: > Mystery possibly on way to being solved, people. > See my last post. I checked on map. Easy to > check within a county on line. Just not across > counties. Safe Harbor was 12 miles from a whole > nest of likely wifely relatives. > > It does kind of sound,though, if say he wanted to > be a days journey from where he last was, that is > a place he would go. > > Yours, > Dora > > --- Gail Steckel <gailstec@pa.net> wrote: > > That's about an hour trip by car. I have > > family in the Nantmeal area and I > > used to live near Conestoga so I can tell you > > the trip takes about an hour > > and is approx. 45-55 miles. I imagine it would > > be an all-day journey by > > horse. > > -----Original Message----- > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > To post a message to this list, send your message to > PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com

Hi Gail- You are right- I misread the scale on my map. It is not 10, closer to 45-50. The Strassburg road runs very straight. It is only after Willow street that you have to wind around. I can drive from Pottstown PA to Coatesville in 40 minutes. From there it is less than half an hour to Lancaster or Willow street. A horse can make 4 mph at a walk, 7-12 at a trot. Those Amish buggy horses probably trot about 15 mph, but that is on good roads.But they are standardbred race horses. A decent horse can go cross country 25 miles in 2 1/2 hours, but not through deep mud. A horse can trot aerobically- that is keep it up for hours, if the footing is good and it isn't hilly. In those days they had a lot of lateral gaited horses- more comfortable to ride than trotters, but I don't know their speed. Probably about 7 mph also. With bad roads, they could probably make 7 mph if they trotted wherever they could. If they were leading pack horses or driving a heavy wagon over ruts, or riding pillion, they probably wouldn't go more than 3mph average. It would take a good half a day for the trip. On good roads, a decent buggy horse can easily do 40 miles. I have read accounts of travelling through Berks Co. about 1900 with a opne horse buggy and making that kind of distance, staying at country inns at night. But back in 1809, they didn't have the roads. Anne -----Original Message----- From: Gail Steckel [SMTP:gailstec@pa.net] Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 12:42 PM To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACHESTE] Distance between townships That's about an hour trip by car. I have family in the Nantmeal area and I used to live near Conestoga so I can tell you the trip takes about an hour and is approx. 45-55 miles. I imagine it would be an all-day journey by horse. -----Original Message----- From: carolmcolvin@juno.com <carolmcolvin@juno.com> To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, September 23, 2000 12:18 PM Subject: [PACHESTE] Distance between townships >Since someone brought up Conestoga, I thought I'd ask another question >about distance: How far is Conestoga (as the horse walks) from >Brandywine Township in Chester County? I have ancestors who married in >1806. The bride, Mary Anna Ross THOMPSON, claimed to be from Brandywine, >and her bridegroom, John Bowsman SMITH, from Conestoga. The census for >1790 and 1810, plus some wills dated 1805 and 1806, shows that the >THOMPSON family lived in West Nantmeal. How far are those two places >from each other? > >Also, what are ADC maps? How do I get some? > >Carol Colvin >Puyallup WA >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > > ______________________________

Brandywine twp is near Coatesville. In 1806, the National Turnpike was built, so they could go west on that, and somewhere near Gap switch over to the Strassburg Road, which runs south of the Tpk (present day Rt. 30). Or they would go the whole way on the Strassburg Road, and that would take them into Willow Street. From there they would wind around on little roads to get into Conestoga Twp. I measure about 10 miles. Here is info on ADC maps. ADC of Alexandria Inc. 6440 General gReen Way Alexandria VA 22312 (703) 750-0510 They make county maps (booklets of detailed maps) They have Chester, Delaware, bucks, MOntgomery, Phila, Lancaster, York. counties. There are other companies that make similar maps. Call them for up to date prices. You can buy these maps in supermarkets, drug stores, staples, etc. Anne -----Original Message----- From: carolmcolvin@juno.com [SMTP:carolmcolvin@juno.com] Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 12:08 PM To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACHESTE] Distance between townships Since someone brought up Conestoga, I thought I'd ask another question about distance: How far is Conestoga (as the horse walks) from Brandywine Township in Chester County? I have ancestors who married in 1806. The bride, Mary Anna Ross THOMPSON, claimed to be from Brandywine, and her bridegroom, John Bowsman SMITH, from Conestoga. The census for 1790 and 1810, plus some wills dated 1805 and 1806, shows that the THOMPSON family lived in West Nantmeal. How far are those two places from each other? Also, what are ADC maps? How do I get some? Carol Colvin Puyallup WA ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ______________________________

I have Alice Beard's book. There isn't a Hezekiah Brown listed but there are references to Stephen Browns. pge 9: "Stephen Brown, son of Jeremiah, Sr. and half brother to Jeremiah Brown, Jr., died the 24th day 11th month 1754." page 18: "Children of Elihu Brown and his wife Margaret Hannah born 4th day 5th month 1783 Margaret 16th day 7th month 1784 Amy 7th day 12th month 1785 Stephen 10th day 6th month 1787 Joel 4th day 3rd month 1789 Lydia 25th day 7th month 1791 Elihu 30th day 3rd month 1793 Rachel 9th day 9th month 1796 Jehu 25th day 7th month 1799" page 180 Stephen Brown is listed at the marriage of Isiah Brown and Miriam Churchman in 1777. Hope this helps. Suzanne

Mystery possibly on way to being solved, people. See my last post. I checked on map. Easy to check within a county on line. Just not across counties. Safe Harbor was 12 miles from a whole nest of likely wifely relatives. It does kind of sound,though, if say he wanted to be a days journey from where he last was, that is a place he would go. Yours, Dora --- Gail Steckel <gailstec@pa.net> wrote: > That's about an hour trip by car. I have > family in the Nantmeal area and I > used to live near Conestoga so I can tell you > the trip takes about an hour > and is approx. 45-55 miles. I imagine it would > be an all-day journey by > horse. > -----Original Message----- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

There were several HUGHES woman that married into the BRINTON family. you didn't give a time period. so can't answer your query. At 10:40 AM 09/23/2000 -0700, you wrote: >PACHESTE-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 310 > > >______________________________X-Message: #4 >Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:11:25 EDT >From: Twojcjc@aol.com >To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <4d.12844c8.26fd5d3d@aol.com> >Subject: [PACHESTE] BRINTON SURNAME IN CHESTER CO. >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi > >Is anyone researching the "BRINTON" surname in Chester Co? > >Thanks! >Jean Corio >Tampa, Fl > >______________________________X-Message: #5 >Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:35:55 EDT >From: Twojcjc@aol.com >To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <9f.b04af99.26fd710b@aol.com> >Subject: Re: [PACHESTE] BRINTON SURNAME IN CHESTER CO. >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >In a message dated 09/22/2000 9:30:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >kbybay@earthlink.net writes: > ><< Hi, I have two Brintons listed in my line. Ann Brinton, duaghter of >William > Brinton, who came from England and died in PA in 1719. She married John > BENNET, and they had Olive Bennet who married William PYLE. The PYLEs are a > very well documented line. >> > > >Hi > >Thank you for the info ~ I am looking for a BRINTON who married a HUGHES >possibly in Centre or Chester Co. > >The Brintons listed in the Centre Co. Newspapers were: > >1833 ~ Marietta BRINTON married George HASTY (both of Spring Twp in Centre >Co ~ this is where my ancestor, John Davis Hughs/Hughes b. 1824 lived.) > >1840 is a listing on a Dr. John B. BRINTON of Chester Co who married Ellen M. >IRVIN of Mifflin Co., Pa > >I have a BRINTON surname used as a middle name in my Hughes family from >Bellefonte, Pa and was wondering what the BRINTON/HUGHS or HUGHES connection >was. > >Thanks! >Jean Corio >Tampa, Fl Harlan Mason Cleaver Frederick, MD 21702

Yvonne's suggestion to me to look for Thomas Moore's probably widow and orphaned children with their mother's kin, is starting to show more potential than it did when she made it yesterday. Yesterday, I hadn't a clue who their mother's kin were and was at a loss. Today, it occurred to me that surely back when the girl was born, which was around 1830, her father WAS living in the vicinity. An elderly woman named Elizabeth Riker, a good 40 years older than Emaline, who was Thomas Moore's wife, and born in New York, was found living with them in the 1850 census. Emaline was reported in 1860 to have been born in Maryland. I looked for a Riker in Cecil County, Maryland, in the 1830 census, and found one, and the family fits. I did not know until a day ago that Riker is an evolution from the names Reichter and Richert and is spelled many ways. Actually, the Riker family may have lived not far away in Chester County in the 1840 census, spelled Richter. The family are likely to have been illiterate, as the 1850 census reports that their daughter could not read or write. I have a several times great grandparent like that in Montreal who couldn't seem to make up her mind if her name was Bane, or Cabane. It probably originally was McBean. But I found in the 1830 census, close to when Emaline was born, John Riker, in Cecil County, Maryland, in the 4th election district, wherever that was. For the 1830 census, Cecil County was broken into four election districts, no clue which one was where. John Riker was an elderly man; 60-69 according to the census record. His wife was between 40 and 49, which is the right age to have been 60 in 1850. And they had a girl child under the age of five, which most likely was Emaline, unless another child was born after 1830, which did not happen if the family I found in Chester County in 1840 census was them. The next youngest child was between 11 and 14 years old, and this and the 20 or so year age disparity between husband and wife suggest that Elizabeth probably was not his first wife. John Riker had three sons between ages 15 and 29 in the 1830 census; they must ahve been born between 1800 and 1815, when Elizabeth, who was atleast 40 in 1830 and 60 in 1850, was only a girl. He also had four daughters, and the other three were born between 1810 and 1820. Emaline probably was born between 1828 and 1830, unless she was born later, in which case the girl in the census was born after 1825. Emaline was not able to read or write, according to the 1850 census, and judging from teh way she reported ages in the census, she also could not count and definitely couldn't cipher. Thomas was a not very successful farmer and then a laborer. Thomas lived and owned a small to moderate sized farm in Lower Oxford township in Chester County, in 1850 census. Emaline's mother lived with them. By 1857, they no longer lived there. By 1860, Elizabeth Riker was not living with them, and Thomas was a landless laborer - and he lived in Safe Harbor, a tiny rural to the point of isolation, as I'm told, hamlet on the Susquehanna River, by the Safe Harbor Dam, in Conestoga Township, Lancaster County, not far from the Maryland border. I don't know where Chestnut Level would be in relation to it, but I somehow would not be too surprised if it was not far away. By 1870, it strongly appears as if Thomas Moore died, neither he, nor his wife, nor his eldest son, as heads of the household containing his children including 10 year old Charles Moore, can be found anywhere in Delaware, Maryland or Pennsylvania in the 1870 census. I examined all eligible households. However, Rikers with variant spellings were sprouting up in Harrisburg, the majority of tehm on the same page according to the census index, like they were flies. Since only two of them lived there and only one at most was named John in 1830, it is not possible to account by reproduction for about three John Sr's and two John Jr's or vice-versa, by 1850 census. Or was taht 1870. I did alot of extremely fast browsing. Meanwhile, Charles Moore mysteriously turns up married to a girl who lived in a little town adjacent to Harrisburg, by 1880 census enumeration. How did Charles Moore get to the Harrisburg area, one wonders? It was suggested to me that if something happened to Thomas Moore, his widow would most likely have gone to stay with her own relatives. Her father was clearly not still living by 1870, it is unlikely that he was living in 1850, and her mother was probably gone, too. She might have gone to stay with a brother. Now if I find them living with some Riker in Chestnut Level, I will choke. You write of three Riker aka Rikerd/ Richter families, one settled early in New York state and had many descendants there, the other one also went to New York, and a third settled somewhere right around the southeastern Pennsylvania/ Maryland border and seemingly moved back and forth over that border, had a son named Frederick who I guess founded the dynasty of Frederick's I kept running into, who took off for Ohio with most of his progeny or something, except that two sons including a John Riker settled in Chestnut Level, and their descendants remained there. Here is what I know about my John and Elizabeth Riker. I am hoping you know more about my John and Elizabeth Riker. First of all, Elizabeth Riker must have been born around 1790, and the 1850 census record says she, alone of Thomas Moore's household, was born in New York. This suggests that she and her husband, John Riker, may have come from New York, where there sure were enough Riker's. Other members of the family may also have come from New York. This is not necessarily true, though; people of German as well as Dutch descent from New York migrated southward across Pennsylvania and Maryland, and John Riker could have been a native of the area where he lived in 1830, and married a woman who came from New York. In 1840, there is no John Riker or any other Riker in Cecil County, Maryland, but there is a John Rickard in East Fallowfield, Chester County, which contained noone with name resembling Riker in 1830 - and didn't contain him in 1850, either. Here is how the two records line up. I THINK they were the same family, and some characteristics of this family are unlikely to have been true of two different families by chance, such as the advanced age of the parents; but I cannot be sure. I'll let you reach your own conclusions about when John Riker of the 1830 census, who clearly IS Elizabeth's husband and the father of Emaline, would have been born. If the family had moved to East Fallowfield, this would go far to explain how Thomas Moore met up with them. Male Female 1830 1840 1830 1840 1-4 1 5-10 1 11-14 1 15-19 1 1 1 20-29 2 30-39 40-49 1 1 50-59 1 60-69 1 Elizabeth, who probably no more could read or write or cipher than her daughter could, could easily have reported she was 40 in 1830 and 49 in 1840, if she was 60 in 1850. Don't know how John got ten years younger between 1830 and 1840. It's hard to figure out what went on with the youngest boy, too - though Thomas Moore was 30 in 1850, and 35 in 1860. I kind of suspect it is mostly his wife who talked to the census enumerator... It is unlikely that two families by happenstance would have aging parents and a small daughter, who did advance in age in a consistent fashion. Do you know who were John Riker of Cecil County in 1830, and his wife, Elizabeth from New York? Do you know who were the Rikers of Harrisburg? There may have been two or three possibly unrelated to each other Riker families there. I'd really very much appreciate whatever information you have. Can you please also direct me to other Riker researchers, and to anything published about them. Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Would anyone have the book Alice Beards done on the Nottingham Quakers. Would like to see if a Stephen Brown and Hezekiah Brown may be in there. Hezekiah being born 1837, Stephen I believe is his father thanks Pat

Hi, I know there are some people doing research on Co. Cork in Delaware Co., & Chester Co., PA! I thought this might be of interest & help to you--since it is so very had to do research on our ancestors in Ireland. I hope this was okay to send. :) Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:36:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Margaret A Moon <walshatk@pgfn.bc.ca> To: CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CountyCork-L] 1834 Tithe Applotment for Kilshannig #2 1834 Tithe Applotment for the Parish of Kilshannig #2 Diocese of Cloyne ______________________________________________________ Acres DROMORE DISTRICT Upper Dromore: 1 - William KELLY, Terence SWINEY & Robt. DINEEN 35 2 - William KELLY 19 3 - Daniel GLAVANl Jr. 10 4 - David LANE & Son 15 5 - Thomas KELEHER 6 6 - James BROWN 4 7 - Patrick DINAHY & John DENAHY 41 8 - William John RYAN 38 9 - Doctor O'LEARY 28 10 - Owen McCARTHY 14 11 - James PURCELL Esq. 102 12 - David Dl. GLAVAN Jr. 14 13 - Rev. B. WILLIAMSON 106 14 - James GOOD 68 15 - John BURNS & James BAKER 20 16 - Timothy FITZPATRICK 7 17 - Richard BARRETT & Brother 3 18 - James BAKER 5 19 - Cornelius MURPHY 16 20 - Timothy MURPHY 14 21 - James BARRY & Son 13 22 - John DARGAN, Daniel McCARTHY & John CURTIN 21 23 - Owen SULLIVAN, William & Timothy GLAVANl 17 _______________________________________________ Lower Dromore: 1 - Denis CREANE 38 2 - John LUDGATE 39 3 - John BARRY & Edmond BERRY 27 _______________________________________________ Dromore House: 1 - Corn. BRODERICK & Son 11 2 - Denis CULLINANE, Patrick CONNORS, Joseph WATERS, Widow CONNELL, Michael MacCARTHY, William SULLIVAN, Widow BRIEN 34 3 - John SHEEHAN & Widow SHEEHAN 23 4 - Timothy MINEHAN,Thomas MINEHAN, & John FLYNN 18 5 - Charles & Patrick FLYNN 21 6 - John FLYNN,Edward FLEMING Francis TURNER 12 7 - Laurence McCARTHY, James MAHONY & Widow MURPHY 11 8 - Thomas FLYNN & Jeremiah SULLIVAN 3 9 - David FITZPATRICK & Timothy FLYNN 2 10 - James CONNOR, Arthur KEEFE. Corn. LEANE,Richard BARRY, John SULLIVAN, John, Timothy & David GLAVAN 78 11 - Jeremiah, Matthew & Philip KEEFFE & Daniel McCARTHY 29 12 - William MAGINER Esq. 30 13 - Adam NEWMAN Esq. 1 _____________________________________________ GLOUNTANE DISTRICT 1 - Miss CONNELL & Widow SULLIVAN 18 2 - Matthew MULLANE 7 3 - John FLYNN & Sons 37 4 - James FLYNN 0-1 Rods 5 - Nathaniel GARDNER 5 6 - George RING 1 7 - Thomas HOGAN 4 8 - John VANSTEN 1 9 - Henry POMEROY & Sons 5 10 - Ambrose FARMER 3 11 - Daniel DESMOND 5 12 - John ELLARD 4 ______________________________________________ Knucknavadava: 1 - Timothy & Patrick KEEFFE 137 2 - John & Denis KEEFFE 79 ________________________________________________ Ballybought: 1 - Denis & John SULLIVAN, Widow SHEEHAN, Edmond BARRETT & Thomas NORRIS 52 2 - Denis & John SULLIVAN 50 3 - John SULLIVAN, William & Denis RYAN 9 4 - John CONNELL 28 _______________________________________________ Upper Glountane: 1 - Edmond & Thomas BARRETT 45 2 - Edmond BARRETT 7 3 - John, Edmond & James AMBROSE 54 4 - Jeremiah, James & Denis McAULIFFE 50 5 - SULLIVAN & Partners 6

This is going to sound almost stupid, but who were the early tax revenues in Chester County paid to? I was emailed the other day about this, refering to early taxables in London Britain and I realized that I actually wasn't sure what the actual process was. Were the tax collectors acting as agents of the King? Or were the early taxes collected for and used by local bodies, such as townships, and unrelated to England? Color me confused today, -Mary

That's about an hour trip by car. I have family in the Nantmeal area and I used to live near Conestoga so I can tell you the trip takes about an hour and is approx. 45-55 miles. I imagine it would be an all-day journey by horse. -----Original Message----- From: carolmcolvin@juno.com <carolmcolvin@juno.com> To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, September 23, 2000 12:18 PM Subject: [PACHESTE] Distance between townships >Since someone brought up Conestoga, I thought I'd ask another question >about distance: How far is Conestoga (as the horse walks) from >Brandywine Township in Chester County? I have ancestors who married in >1806. The bride, Mary Anna Ross THOMPSON, claimed to be from Brandywine, >and her bridegroom, John Bowsman SMITH, from Conestoga. The census for >1790 and 1810, plus some wills dated 1805 and 1806, shows that the >THOMPSON family lived in West Nantmeal. How far are those two places >from each other? > >Also, what are ADC maps? How do I get some? > >Carol Colvin >Puyallup WA >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > >

Since someone brought up Conestoga, I thought I'd ask another question about distance: How far is Conestoga (as the horse walks) from Brandywine Township in Chester County? I have ancestors who married in 1806. The bride, Mary Anna Ross THOMPSON, claimed to be from Brandywine, and her bridegroom, John Bowsman SMITH, from Conestoga. The census for 1790 and 1810, plus some wills dated 1805 and 1806, shows that the THOMPSON family lived in West Nantmeal. How far are those two places from each other? Also, what are ADC maps? How do I get some? Carol Colvin Puyallup WA ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Dora: Check out: www.cob-net.org/genchurch.htm Lots of info on Church of Brethren members including Conestoga Twp. -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith <tiggernut_48@yahoo.com> To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, September 22, 2000 7:30 PM Subject: [PACHESTE] Have 1870 census MOORE for all eastern PA, 1850, 60 Thomas MOORE for all PA >I have a printout of the census index for all >Moore's listed by county - only thing, the >counties not identified on the printout, from >Automated Archives 1870 census today. I only >wanted Berks, Chester, Dauphin, Lancaster, >Delaware and Philadelphia Counties, but no way to >select just some of it without spending a year >selecting one name at a time. > >So if anyone needs a lookup - it gives page >numbers and reel numbers and township, and the >reel numbers are different from teh ones my >library uses. > >I also have a (handwritten) list of all Thomas >Moore's in Pennsylvania, for 1850 and 1860, and >lists for some of these years in Maryland and >Delaware. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm > > > >

I'm not sure about the 5 miles as the crow flies for distance between these townships, but I can tell you it will take about 45 minutes to travel by car. Just from Oxford to Quarryville is 10-15 minutes travel; Q'ville to Truce Rd. is another 10 minutes; from Truce Rd. to Safe Harbor is about 20 minutes over winding country roads. -----Original Message----- From: Anne Wiegle <awiegle@fast.net> To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com <PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, September 23, 2000 7:44 AM Subject: RE: [PACHESTE] how far apart are Lower Oxford and Conestoga townships? >Concestoga Twp Lancaster Co is on the Susquehanna River, about 2 miles south of >Lancaster (city) while Lower Oxford Twp Chester Co is on the Western border of >Chester Co at almost the southernmost tip. They are five miles from center to >center as the crow flies. > >To travel from lower Oxford to Conestoga Twp, you would take Rt. 472 > (Lancaster Pike NW through Kirkwood it becomes Kirkwood Pike, continue NW to >Quarryville. Then go west on 372 (Buck road) to the Buck, turn right (north) >onto 272, also called Lancaster Pike (all roads lead to Lancaster!) for about a >mile and turn left (west) onto Truce road to Rawlinsville. Then go north >(right) on Red Hill Road/Martic Heights Drive which winds around and connects >with Rt. 324 Martic Road/Pequea Blvd. Then a right onto River Road takes you >into the center of Conestoga Twp. > >It is really the boonies in this section of the woods. All the roads change >name after a mile or two. Shows that folks didn't travel much who lived here. > > > A good set of ADC county maps is a must for doing research! > >Anne > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dora Smith [SMTP:tiggernut_48@yahoo.com] >Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 12:28 PM >To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PACHESTE] how far apart are Lower Oxford and Conestoga townships? > >My 2X great grandfather, Thomas M. Moore, owned >land in Lower Oxford township in 1850 census, and >in 1860 census was a laborer livingin Safe >Harbor, which I learned is in Conestoga township, >Lancaster County. > >I have only county maps available to me, and >don't have the hardbound one of Lancaster County >available to me at the moment. The Chester >County genweb site has a township map of Chester >County, but the Lancaster County genweb site does >not have a township map of the county. > >I did at one time locate Conestoga Township in >Lancaster County on the map, and I just learned >where is Lower Oxford Township in Chester County. > >I just realized that my wandering and hard to >locate ancestor may not really have done much >wandering at all. How far in miles is Safe >Harbor from Lower Oxford Township? > >>From my memory, I think they may not be more than >twenty miles apart. My memory kind of suggests >they are at about equal short distances from the >Maryland state line. I recall Conestoga township >being just right of center and fairly large, in >Lancaster County, and I think I had trouble >exactly locating Safe Harbor, though the gazeteer >says it is in Conestoga township. Lower Oxford >township is at the western edge of Chester County >in a portion that actually bulges into Lancaster >County. > >After presumably going maybe 20 miles to find >work, Thomas Moore, his wife, and his eldest son, >atleast in any capacity as guardian of Thomas's >other children if something had happened to >Thomas and his wife, all disappeared from the >face of the planet. They cannot be found in the >1870 census, by the method I found successful in >locating Thomas Moore in the first place - >looking at every eligible household with heads of >household by those names in the three states. >You'd think that for instance if Thomas had died, >his wife or eldest son would be the head of >household. > >Where should I be looking for the records of what >happened? What townships, what graveyards, and >where for court records? > >And in what places would people suggest I check >on the possibility that Thomas died and relatives >took in the widow and children, by looking at ALL >the Moore households. You know that's an >overwhelming task if I cast my net too wide. >Looking up all 90 Thomas Moore households in the >1860 census in Pennsylvania was about as wide as >I want to cast a net... And God help me if the >relatives they lived with weren't named Moore - >could make more sense just to read through the >census for a few towns. > >Yours, >Dora Smith > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > >______________________________ > > >==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== >To post a message to this list, send your message to >PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com > > > >

Concestoga Twp Lancaster Co is on the Susquehanna River, about 2 miles south of Lancaster (city) while Lower Oxford Twp Chester Co is on the Western border of Chester Co at almost the southernmost tip. They are five miles from center to center as the crow flies. To travel from lower Oxford to Conestoga Twp, you would take Rt. 472 (Lancaster Pike NW through Kirkwood it becomes Kirkwood Pike, continue NW to Quarryville. Then go west on 372 (Buck road) to the Buck, turn right (north) onto 272, also called Lancaster Pike (all roads lead to Lancaster!) for about a mile and turn left (west) onto Truce road to Rawlinsville. Then go north (right) on Red Hill Road/Martic Heights Drive which winds around and connects with Rt. 324 Martic Road/Pequea Blvd. Then a right onto River Road takes you into the center of Conestoga Twp. It is really the boonies in this section of the woods. All the roads change name after a mile or two. Shows that folks didn't travel much who lived here. A good set of ADC county maps is a must for doing research! Anne -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith [SMTP:tiggernut_48@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 12:28 PM To: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PACHESTE] how far apart are Lower Oxford and Conestoga townships? My 2X great grandfather, Thomas M. Moore, owned land in Lower Oxford township in 1850 census, and in 1860 census was a laborer livingin Safe Harbor, which I learned is in Conestoga township, Lancaster County. I have only county maps available to me, and don't have the hardbound one of Lancaster County available to me at the moment. The Chester County genweb site has a township map of Chester County, but the Lancaster County genweb site does not have a township map of the county. I did at one time locate Conestoga Township in Lancaster County on the map, and I just learned where is Lower Oxford Township in Chester County. I just realized that my wandering and hard to locate ancestor may not really have done much wandering at all. How far in miles is Safe Harbor from Lower Oxford Township? >From my memory, I think they may not be more than twenty miles apart. My memory kind of suggests they are at about equal short distances from the Maryland state line. I recall Conestoga township being just right of center and fairly large, in Lancaster County, and I think I had trouble exactly locating Safe Harbor, though the gazeteer says it is in Conestoga township. Lower Oxford township is at the western edge of Chester County in a portion that actually bulges into Lancaster County. After presumably going maybe 20 miles to find work, Thomas Moore, his wife, and his eldest son, atleast in any capacity as guardian of Thomas's other children if something had happened to Thomas and his wife, all disappeared from the face of the planet. They cannot be found in the 1870 census, by the method I found successful in locating Thomas Moore in the first place - looking at every eligible household with heads of household by those names in the three states. You'd think that for instance if Thomas had died, his wife or eldest son would be the head of household. Where should I be looking for the records of what happened? What townships, what graveyards, and where for court records? And in what places would people suggest I check on the possibility that Thomas died and relatives took in the widow and children, by looking at ALL the Moore households. You know that's an overwhelming task if I cast my net too wide. Looking up all 90 Thomas Moore households in the 1860 census in Pennsylvania was about as wide as I want to cast a net... And God help me if the relatives they lived with weren't named Moore - could make more sense just to read through the census for a few towns. Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ______________________________

In a message dated 09/22/2000 9:30:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kbybay@earthlink.net writes: << Hi, I have two Brintons listed in my line. Ann Brinton, duaghter of William Brinton, who came from England and died in PA in 1719. She married John BENNET, and they had Olive Bennet who married William PYLE. The PYLEs are a very well documented line. >> Hi Thank you for the info ~ I am looking for a BRINTON who married a HUGHES possibly in Centre or Chester Co. The Brintons listed in the Centre Co. Newspapers were: 1833 ~ Marietta BRINTON married George HASTY (both of Spring Twp in Centre Co ~ this is where my ancestor, John Davis Hughs/Hughes b. 1824 lived.) 1840 is a listing on a Dr. John B. BRINTON of Chester Co who married Ellen M. IRVIN of Mifflin Co., Pa I have a BRINTON surname used as a middle name in my Hughes family from Bellefonte, Pa and was wondering what the BRINTON/HUGHS or HUGHES connection was. Thanks! Jean Corio Tampa, Fl

Hi Is anyone researching the "BRINTON" surname in Chester Co? Thanks! Jean Corio Tampa, Fl

I didn't mean to double post that last, I used the back button, changed the to bar and forgot to change the message! Chester County seems to have been chock full of Thomas M. Moore's. In addition to mine, who lived in Lower Oxford in 1850 and Lancaster County in 1860 and then dematerialized, and Cathy Berger's in Delaware County, who is not mine as he lived in 1850 in his parents' household, there was a Thomas M. Moore in Upper Uwchlan. I checked in 1860 and 1850 census records to make sure that he wasn't in fact my Thomas M. Moore. No, he was a different one, similar in age but married to a different woman and had different children. But the woods are just full of coincidences. Now, when it comes to Moores, I've had some real good coincidences fail to pan out. But I'm curious about this one due to the tendency of Scotch Irish and northern English families to repeat names, and Francis was not one Moores in Pennsylvania often used. I wonder if my Thomas M. Moore b ca 1820-25 was perhaps closely related to them. He cannot have been their brother, since they had a Thomas M. Moore close to him in age. I found the following Moores in Upper Uwchlan in 1850. Richard John Francis J. Rachel Charles Charles C. I"m not actually sure Thomas M was there; if he had been, I would not have needed to run and looked at the 1860 census record for him to be certain he wasn't the same man as Thomas M Moore who was in Lower Oxford in 1850 and not in 1860. My Thomas M Moore had children William, Francis, Charles, and several daughters. That is alot of coincidental names, and they have the unusual one, Francis. Does anyone know who Richard, John, Francis J and Charles and Charles C, and Thomas M, of Upper Uwchlan, were? Upper Uwchlan is in the center of the northern part of Chester County, Pennsylvania. Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/