Barclay, you say: <> I have this family with no DEFINITE surname for Margery. I have these children listed as Enoch's (I suspect he was married twice--to Margery & then to a Mary) 1. Mary m. George Hoopes (Mary is listed as d/o Enoch Gray of Newgarden Twp. & Margery his former wife when she marries Hoopes in 1795.) 2.Anthony 3. Elizabeth m. a Swayne 4. Enoch b. 08 Nov 1769 m. Sarah Swayne (named as Enoch, of East Bradford, s/o Enoch & Margery in marriage to Sarah Swayne) 5. John 6. Susannah m. Enoch Pearson 7. Elijah 8. Edith m. John McCarty 9. Lydia m. a Slay I have a will for an Enoch Grey that is likely this fellow's. (See below) He names many of the above children & has a wife Mary in 1819. I haven't traced this Grey line on down because I'm mainly interested in the BALDWIN line. I WOULD like to confirm that the Margery (w/o Enoch Grey & m/o at least the Enoch who marr. Swayne & the Mary who marr. Hoopes) was Margery Baldwin, d/o Anthony & Margery Hannum Baldwin. Chester Co., Pa. wills 1801-1825 p2118 GRAY, ENOCH. New Garden. April 30, 1819. November 5, 1819. Provides for wife Mary. To son Anthony my plantation in East Bradford, he paying $33 per acre therefor to my executors. To dau. Elizabeth Swayne £20. To son Anthony £50. To son Enoch £50. To Margery Eddy, dau. of Susanna Pearson, Dec'd. £10. To gr.dau. Teressa Gray £30, and articles her mother left her. To gr.dau. Elizabeth Gray, dau. of Dec'd. son John, supposed to be living in Virginia, £20. Rem. in 7 equal shares, to sons Anthony, Enoch, children of daughter Susanna Pearson, Dec'd., who was wife of Enoch Pearson, children of George Hoopes by my daughter Mary, children of Dec'd. son Elijah, dau. Edith McCarty, married to John McCarty, and my daughter Lydia Slay. Executors: Friends David Wilson, and Joseph Sharp, of Londongrove. Wits: Nathaniel Wilkinson, Amos Wilson.

Hello, I think I was responsible for having John Gray as the wife of Margery Baldwin. That came from the BALDWIN GENEALOGY by Aubrey H. Baldwin, Jr. and may very well be incorrect. In my records I show an Enoch Gray married to Margery ? with children Mary b.12.28.1768, Elijah, and Enoch. Is this the correct family? Barclay

I noticed in the correspondence on the Baldwin family, Margery Baldwin, daughter of Anthony Baldwin and Margery Hannum, was listed as married to John Gray. I show Margery Baldwin married Enoch Gray (1750-1819), son of John Gray (ca 1722-1790) of Chester County. I'm researching the children of John Gray, especially Mary Gray and Friend Gray, sibs of Enoch Gray, and hope someone has data on them. Thanks, S. Fisher

Hello, Does anyone have a lead on the research done by this genealogist? She amassed a great deal of information on the three Quaker Vernon brothers. Bill Vernon, founder of the VFAA, mentions this treasure trove as being given to the Chester County Historical Society in the early 1970s. He said it had been microfilmed by the LDS (perhaps by Ms. Timothy) at some point. I plan to pass through Media on November 18-19, visiting my second cousins the Kassabs. Would any libraries be open that Saturday or Sunday? Thanks, Tony

Hi Rosalie It has been some time since we exchanged e-m's on the QUINNs. I have not forgotten but only recent input from family members on a visit to Buffalo, NY and the answer to a query to the Philadelphia Archdiocese have now allowed me to make a further contribution to that exchange, as follows: My QUINNs came to Phoenixville (probably) from Coy. Derry in Northern Ireland in 1847. They stayed until about 1860 and moved on to Buffalo NY. The composition of the family was: Descendants of James QUINN 1 James QUINN b: October 07, 1813 in Coy Derry, Ireland d: August 12, 1873 in Buffalo, NY .. +Ann CONWAY b: Abt. 1810 in Coy Derry, Ireland d: July 14, 1897 in 251 Sandusky St. (O'Connell), Buffalo, NY ......... 2 Thomas QUINN b: December 18, 1841 in Coy Derry ?, Ireland d: April 15, 1894 in Buffalo, NY ............. +Margaret McNAMARA d: June 21, 1929 in Buffalo, NY ......... 2 Arthur QUINN b: December 12, 1843 in Coy Derry ?, Ireland d: May 09, 1905 in Buffalo, NY ............. +Mary WALSH ......... 2 Margaret QUINN b: 1845 in Coy Derry ?, Ireland d: November 08, 1907 in Buffalo, NY ............. +Peter HAGAN d: March 23, 1913 ......... 2 James QUINN b: January 04, 1848 in Phoenixville, Chester Coy, PA d: January 01, 1922 ............. +Margaret REED/REID ......... 2 Peter J. QUINN b: 1851 in Phoenixville, Chester Coy, PA d: September 10, 1897 ......... 2 Patrick J. QUINN b: February 10, 1854 in Phoenixville, Chester Coy, PA d: March 22, 1893 in 682 Exchange St., Buffalo, NY ............. +Helen McCLOSKEY b: September 1854 in Buffalo, NY d: August 23, 1900 in Buffalo Hospital, Sisters of Charity, Buffalo, NY ......... 2 Elizabeth QUINN b: December 16, 1859 in Phoenixville, Chester Coy, PA d: August 29, 1893 ............. +John HAGAN d: Bet. August 19, 1893 - 1931 Patrick was baptized at St. Mary of the Assumption RC Church on 1/21/1854 by Rev. P. O'FARRELL and his godparents were Edward CONWAY and Catherine McKEOWN. In 1861 Arthur enlisted in the Union Army in the California Regiment (later known as Company K, 1st Regiment, Pennsylvania Infantry) in Philadelphia and was captured at Fredericksburg in December 1862. He rejoined the family in Buffalo in 1865 and became a detective in the Buffalo Police Dept. Note: Beth Petronis posted a response on 3/31 that seems to fit Arthur QUINNs service record. She noted he deserted, while he was actually captured in December 1862, paroled as a POW to a Convalescent Camp and deserted from there in April 1863. He's listed as having mustered out in July 1864. She also mentions a Peter QUINN but Arthur's brother was probably too young to serve. Patrick entered the Buffalo Police Department in July 1877 as a patrolman and was promoted to captain in June 1888 and died in 1893. Rosalie Sommer wrote: > (Snip) > My interest in the QUINN family has been because of James and Ann QUINN > who were godparents in 1884. They are probably either brother and sister > or husband & wife because they were godparents to the same child. The Archdiocese also provided record of an Eliza Ann QUINN born and baptized on 12/11/1858 to James and Ann <nee McCONERY> QUINN and the sponsors are Andrew MEEHAN and Ann McCULLOGH. These may be the QUINNs you are looking for. > (Snip)1850 JAMES QUINN FAMILY PHOENIXVILLE > > 1850 CENSUS: 1850 US Federal Census, James Quinn family; Phoenixville, > Chester county, PA; James Quinn 36, male, puddler, b. Ireland; Ann, 36, > female b. Ireland; Thomas 9, male, b. Ireland; Arthur 7, male, b. > Ireland; Margaret 5, female b. Ireland; James 2, male, b. PA; 1850 US > Federal Census, James Quinn family; Phoenixville, Chester county, PA; p. > 97A; lines 27-32. > James Quinn 36 b. about 1814 Ireland puddler > wife: Ann, 36 b. about 1814 Ireland > ch: Thomas 9 b. about 1841 Ireland > Arthur 7 b. about 1843 Ireland > Margaret 5 about 1845 Ireland > James 2 b. about 1848 PA This is definitely the family and I had found this record as well. > (Snip) > 1860 JAMES QUINN FAMILY, PHOENIXVILLE > > 1860 CENSUS: 1860 US Federal Census; Phoenixville, Chester county, PA; > James Quinn family; James Quinn, 65, laborer, born Ireland; Nancy 65, > born Ireland; Thomas 18, helper, born Ireland; Arthur 16, born Ireland; > James 11, born Ireland; Peter 9, born Pa.; Patrick 7, born Pa; Eliza, 1 > born Pa; 1860 US Federal Census; Phoenixville, Chester county, PA; James > Quinn family; 251-255; FHL #0020569. > James Quinn 65, born Ireland about 1795 > wife Nancy 65, born Ireland about 1795 > ch: Thomas Quinn 18, born Ireland about 1842 > Arthur Quinn 16, born Ireland about 1844 > James Quinn 11, born Ireland about 1849 > Peter Quinn 9, born PA about 1851 > Patrick Quinn 7 born PA about 1853********** > Eliza Quinn 1, born PA about 1859 This still could be the same family but there are also some serious discrepancies. The parents have aged by an extra twenty years and your later comments on name Nancy for mother need to be verified -- was the name illegible and could still be Ann? Irish ages are frequently off but a discrepancy of twenty years I think would be way beyond the normal range of error. Also, they usually get younger; not older. Margaret is missing and would have been only 15 yrs old but you're right, she could be living with family or others. This would also have been just before the family's move to Buffalo. > (Snip) >From this point on there's lots of additional QUINN candidates but they are all too late to be members of the above James QUINN family but two additional points are relevant. There is great potential for interrelationships among the QUINN families and there appear to have been quite a few in the area. For example, the 1900 Census in Buffalo NY lists a number of QUINN families but the following two in particular stand out because they show PA roots: 1. Frank QUINN Head b. Jan 1858 Age 42 b. PA Saloon Keeper Flora wife b. Feb. 1864 Age 36 b. PA Mary M. daughter b. Jun 1882 Age 17 b. PA at school Nicholas (???? maybe brother) Age 34 b. PA Carriage Painter 2. John QUINN Head b. Dec 1836 b. PA RR Margaret wife b. 1864 5 children 3 alive Eugene son I am also now interested in the Conway and McKEOWN names that appear as sponsors in Patrick's 1854 baptism. The Conway is probably related to Ann QUINN. Is there any information on these families in Chester? In your earlier e-m's you mentioned that you had your QUINN census and other records on a computer program. If you can produce a GEDCOM file, I would very much appreciate a copy of it. Scanning of hard copies can also produce files that can be sent as e-m attachments or, as last resort, if you would photocopy what you have, I would be happy to reimburse the costs of sending me copies. Finally, it would be very helpful to be able to confirm from where in Ireland the QUINNs emigrated. Family sources say "maybe" Derry but Karen Barth (in e-m dated 3/12/2000) pointed out the relationship of the Phoenixville Irish with those in Norristown, Montgomery Coy. and noted that Coy Tyrone was a possible point of origin in Ireland. How can one go about checking this out further? For example, the mention of naturalization by Phoenixville Irish in Norristown could produce some very valuable records, including place of origin. I'm looking forward to moving my search in Phoenixville up another level and would appreciate any help that might be available. Regards Jack DUKESBURY Jakarta, Indonesia

Hi I was wondering if any of you Davis researchers have any HEWES/HUGHS/HUGHES married into the family? (Probably late 1700's to early 1800's) There also was a Davis family in Bellefonte, Pa (Centre Co.) My ancestor is John DAVIS HUGHES b. 1824 in Lick Run, Bellefonte (Centre Co.). His parents are listed in a Lamborn family history book as Henry and Martha Jane (her maiden name is unknown?) Thanks! Jean Corio Tampa, Fl

In ZOPHER JOHNSON's Revolutionary War pension papers, he states that he was born in the FORKS OF DELAWARE, PA ca 1762. Where is the area known as the "Forks of Delaware"? Jan Manassas VA Researching Chester Co PA JOHNSONs:::: Zopher, Abraham, Christopher, Joseph, John, Jeremiah, Yellis, Tunis, Okie

Dotty- Have we talked? I am looking for DAVISES in that area of Chester County, Pa. as well. If fact, my James DAVIS (born abt 1761 and who died on 10 September, 1850, in Fayette Co.) married to Keziah PHILLIPS, the daughter of Samuel PHILLIPS and Keziah ABRAHAM. They are both buried in the Great Valley Baptist Church Cemetery near Devon. Are you aware of this James DAVIS family, Dotty? Sam D. Lawson bulldog2429@voyager.net

I Think I have found where my William Davis 1776/1855 is Buried thanks to the Chester co site I wrote to the person to find out where the info came from Also most of William Davis and Sarah Evan's Children are buried there some of there Grandchildren This is a great find for my family They are all buried in the Baptist church in the Great Valley My cousin researched our family for the last 20 years she is very happy also about the find I wrote to the person who added the info to the site and found out I can get the film at any Mormon Library the only ones who are not there out of 9 children are my GGGparents but James Davis 1820 Abigail Fairlamb but I know they are in the Malvern Baptist Cem Needless to say I was Very excited when I Checked the Chester site again the other night and found them all Thanks Again Dotty Researching Davis Burns Fairlamb Rogers Carter Wood Daniel Chester and Deleware co -- http://home.att.net/~mouserwitz http://home.att.net/~ddavis2 Genealogy site

Greetings, Several of you have been helpful to me on the Titlows in the past. However, perhaps there are new folks on the list with other information. Looking for any information about GEORGE TITLOW who was in the Coventry area as early as the 1760's. Any info would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Ray in Colorado

I've "rescued" an old photograph of Lydia GREGG taken at the Paxson Studio in West Chester, Chester County, PA. Lydia appears to be less than one year of age at the time the photo was taken. I would guess that the photo was taken in the 1870's. I'd like to find the family and return the photograph into their safe hands. If you are a member of this family or know someone who might, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley

Karen, I did not photocopy the BALDWIN GENEALOGY by Aubrey H. Baldwin, Jr. 1989. I just made notes from it. The book is at the library of The Chester County Historical Society. I will have to check to find the publisher and whether Mr. Baldwin supplied references for his facts. I know that my knowledge of the Cobourn line is very weak and would appreciate a posting by someone as to how the early line played out. Karen thanks for answering Anne's question on the marriage of Sarah Flower and William Coboun. Barclay

In a message dated 10/21/2000 11:56:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BeeeZeee@aol.com writes: << Can you give me the volume of Cope & the page # showing when she was disowned for mou?... >> Barbara, History of Chester County (it's all one volume), p. 471 top of right-hand column. Published by Louis H. Everts , Phila., 1881 Early Church Records of Delaware County, Vol. 1 - Chester Monthly Meeting, Launey & Wright; Family Line Publications, Westminster, MD, 1997 p. 91, 20/4/1712 Hannah Coborn was condemned for going from Friends to marry one not of the Society. p. 92, 28/5/1712 Hannah Boldin was condemned for marrying outside our Society p.227, BALDWIN, Hannah, dau. of William and Mary Coborn, lately belonging to the meeting ... married one not of the Society ... reported, 28/5/1712. There is no indication that Hannah made acknowledgment and no further mention of her, so the assumption must be that she did not make acknowledgment. BALDWIN GENEALOGY by Aubrey H. Baldwin, Jr. 1989 Barclay - do you have the publisher and date on this? Does Mr. Baldwin provide his sources? Karen Greim Mullian booboopies@aol.com zeke196@juno.com karenmullian.homepage.com pastmasters.homepage.com norwoodhistoricalsociety.hompage.com flax4sale.homepage.com

Barclay & Karen- I thought this might help flesh out Anthony & Margery Hannum Baldwin's family. I believe you started your discussion of this family asking about an Eliz. Baldwin & whether she married an Edwards. I have no idea if that is so, but she was termed "Elizabeth Daugherty" by her mother in 1779. ...Barbara p 592 Chester Co. 1778-1800 BALDWIN, MARGERY. Newlin. August 22, 1779. September 26, 1782. Letters February 22, 1786. To son Anthony Baldwin £20. To son Thomas £15. To daughter Elizabeth Daugherty 40 shillings. To daughter Martha Nichols £2. To daughter Hannah Keach £5, all wearing apparel, etc. To daughter Ann Clark £2. To daughter Marjary Gray £2. To daughter Sarah Walker £2. To son John £5. Remainder to Anthony and Thomas. Executor: Son John. Letters c.t.a. to Anthony Baldwin, John renouncing. Wit: Jesse Taylor, Ann Taylor.

In a message dated 10/21/2000 10:58:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Booboopies@aol.com writes: << Is Sarah Flower's husband William the same William Fflower who married Elizabeth Morris in 1692? >> Here is the will of a Wm. Flower. I don't have him in my database, but I believe Karen said that Wm. Coeburn married the widow of Wm. Flower (Sarah Baker) at Chichester Meeting House 12th mo. 17211721, so this fits. Is he the right William?....B FLOWER, WILLIAM. Chichester. Yeoman. July 16, 1717. August 5, 1717. A. 54. To wife Sarah, £20 and household goods which she brought with her and 20 shillings more. To son in law John Flower all my lands, messuages, etc. Executors: son Enoch and son in law John Flower. Witnesses: Richard Edwards, John Riley.

Sorry. Duh. I meant to say Hannah, NOT Phoebe Coeburn, in my previous email asking about her disownment & also whether she was the mother of some of Baldwin's children...Barbara

In a message dated 10/21/2000 10:01:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, brichs@email.msn.com writes: << Hannah Cobourn married Anthony Baldwin c 1717 and died before 1729. William Cobourn will was dated in 1733, but he did not die until 1741. He would still have called Anthony son-in-law, even after his daughter's death. Margery Hannum married Anthony Baldwin in c. 1729. and died in c. 1782 John Hannum will was dated in 1730 and he died in 1730 after the marriage. This is after the marriage of his daughter. He would have called Anthony son-in-law.>> YES, Barclay!!! OF COURSE, your explanation is probably the logical one! Especially since Wm. Cobourn DOESN'T mention his Baldwin daughter's name. Wm. Cobourn is likely trying to provide for his deceased daughter's children, i.e. his grandchildren. Karen--THANKS! It appears you have a source for Anthony's marriage to Phoebe. <<Note that Hannah and Anthony married before 4th mo. 20, 1712 when Hannah was reported for marrying out of unity by Chester Monthly Meeting. She was disowned the next month.>> Can you give me the volume of Cope & the page # showing when she was disowned for mou?... One more thing. Is there proof that one or all of these 3 children Barclay lists (below) are by Margery Hannum & NOT by Phoebe Coeburn?...Barbara Anthony b. 1729 m. Mary Harlan George b. c. 1730 m. Mary ? John b. 1730 m. Mary House

Barclay, << Hannah Cobourn married Anthony Baldwin c 1717 and died before 1729. William Cobourn will was dated in 1733, but he did not die until 1741. He would still have called Anthony son-in-law, even after his daughter's death. Note that Hannah and Anthony married before 4th mo. 20, 1712 when Hannah was reported for marrying out of unity by Chester Monthly Meeting. She was disowned the next month. << Margery Hannum married Anthony Baldwin in c. 1729. and died in c. 1782 John Hannum will was dated in 1730 and he died in 1730 after the marriage. This is after the marriage of his daughter. He would have called Anthony son-in-law. Barbara's concern expressed to me was the William Coeburn was still calling Anthony his son-in-law after the death of Hannah (Coeburn) Baldwin. As family relationships were often less tidy than we genealogists are comfortable with, this can get confusing. My view is that a) Anthony had been Hannah's husband and the father of her children and was, therefore, considered by Coeburn to be his son-in-law and b) Gilbert Cope also considered Hannah to have been the first wife of Anthony Baldwin. << Anthony Baldwin died in c 1760. Before September 5, 1760 when he will was proved. Since wills were proved generally fairly close to the time of death, we may assume (although I admit this may be incorrect) that Anthony died in late August. The date of the inventory would be useful here, as it was often done within a few days of death. << One more thing. Sarah Flower, the second wife of William Cobourn, was the widow of William Flower and the daughter of Richard Barnard and Frances Lambe. Is Sarah Flower's husband William the same William Fflower who married Elizabeth Morris in 1692? If this doesn't do it, please get back to me. I can be dense. >> If you're dense, Barclay, then so am I, and we're in good company -- Gilbert Cope! Karen Greim Mullian booboopies@aol.com zeke196@juno.com karenmullian.homepage.com pastmasters.homepage.com norwoodhistoricalsociety.hompage.com flax4sale.homepage.com

Barbara, I am sorry if I missed your original point. Let me try again. Hannah Cobourn married Anthony Baldwin c 1717 and died before 1729. William Cobourn will was dated in 1733, but he did not die until 1741. He would still have called Anthony son-in-law, even after his daughter's death. Margery Hannum married Anthony Baldwin in c. 1729. and died in c. 1782 John Hannum will was dated in 1730 and he died in 1730 after the marriage. This is after the marriage of his daughter. He would have called Anthony son-in-law. Anthony Baldwin died in c 1760. One more thing. Sarah Flower, the second wife of William Cobourn, was the widow of William Flower and the daughter of Richard Barnard and Frances Lambe. If this doesn't do it, please get back to me. I can be dense. Barclay

Wait a minute! My point in sending the wills of COEBURN, WILLIAM dated February 2, 1733 and of HANNUM, JOHN. dated July 13, 1730 is that Anthony Baldwin can't be the son in law of Coeburn in 1733 AND of Hannum in 1730!!! Anthony Baldwin's will is dated in 1753 & it clearly names Margery (Hannum) as his wife. SO she was his second wife. But if you go by the date of Coeburn's will, the Coeburn daughter would HAVE to be Baldwin's second wife. Again, see the problem???...Barbara beeezeee@aol.com Here is Anthony Baldwin's will: _Wills of Chester Co., Pa 1748-1766_ p103 Baldwin, Anthony. Newlin. Jun 9, 1753. Sept. 5, 1760 To wife Margery 1/3 of all estate real and personal and 40 pds more. To eldest son William 5 pds. To second son Joseph 5 pds. To grandson William Edwards 5 pds at 21. To daughter Elizabeth 5 shillings. To brother Thomas Baldwin and wife the 6 acres of land they now live on during their lives. Remainder of estate real and personal to be divided among my youngest children, viz., Anthony, George, John, Thomas, Martha, Hannah, Robert, Ann, Margery and Sarah. Executors: Wife and son Anthony Witnesses: Philip Taylor, Thomas Stubbs, James Trimble.