It always pays to check out the other webboards/sites for Chester Co. See this: on pa-roots board for Chester Co: http://www.pa-roots.com/~chester/murder_of_indians.htm Diana in AL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marjorie B. Winter" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:36 AM Subject: CUCCASEA - a place > In an email today, Charlene states: > > "...Walter and John WINTER were hung July 03, 1728 Cuccasea, Chester Co > Pennsylvania for killing what they thought were "hostile" Indians." > > Does anyone recognize that place name: Cuccasea? This incident probably > took place in what is now Delaware County, possibly in the area > immediately > south of Philadelphia along the Delaware River. Any help on its > geography > will be appreciated. > > Marj Winter in Oriental, NC > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 1/2/2004 > > > ______________________________

In John T Humphrey's 'PA Births, Chester Co 1682-1800', pub 1994, p 165: Olive Pyle, dau of John and ---, no birth, at Kennett Square MM, estab 1686 Olive Pyle, born 10 5mo 1762, dau of Isaac and Elizab.(Davenport) Kennett Square MM, estab 1686. Could not find Robert Mercer or a Thomas. There are several Elizabeth Brown's, need some guidance from you on approximate births for her. Diana in AL ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:39 AM Subject: [PACHESTE] Mercer > I am interested in the Thomas Mercer/ Mary Greenaway family, specifically > the > son Thomas Mercer/Hannah Taylor, his son Robert Mercer/Olive Pyle, and his > son Robert Mercer/Elizabeth Brown. I am very interested in any documents > concerning Robert Mercer/Olive Pyle, and in documents concerning Robert > Mercer/Elizabeth Brown who eventually found their way to Monongolia Co, VA > (now WV). > Thanks, > Marian > > ______________________________

Can someone tell me when the Coatsville Veterans Home was established? Thank you Sharon Go Eagles! (living in EAGLES territory)

James McMaster, 1740's, married Elizabeth Lodge. I will greatly appreciate hearing from anyone who has a connection or information about the above. Kay

I found a detailed account of the incident in Pennypacker's "Annals of Phoenixville and Its Vicinity". It comfirms that the Winters' were tried, convicted and hanged, but doesn't mention the names you are asking about. It does say that they were held "in gaol in Chester". Apparently, Samuel Nutt was the guy who got the sheriffs to go after the Winters. I gather that the killing of the Indians took place near what is now Phoenixville, but the hanging most likely was down near Chester, as you had theorized. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marjorie B. Winter" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: [PACHESTE] CUCCASEA - A Place > Since I wrote my earlier message, I have seen the original archived > discussion on this. It mentions Samuel Nutt's forge on French Creek (near > Phoenixville ?) and both Cassea and Cuccasea. The original message was > > In an email today, Charlene states: > > "...Walter and John WINTER were hung July 03, 1728 Cuccasea, Chester Co > Pennsylvania for killing what they thought were "hostile" Indians." > > Does anyone recognize that place name: Cuccasea? This incident probably > took place in what is now Delaware County, possibly in the area immediately > south of Philadelphia along the Delaware River. Any help on its geography > will be appreciated. Marj Winter in Oriental, NC > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 1/2/2004 > > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Check out the searchable US GenWeb Project Archives! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/usgwarch.html >

I thought someone in the group might want this for research. Ebay has it listed this week. Title of item: History of WEST CHESTER, PENNSYLVANIA - mint! Seller: jusandash Starts: Jan-05-04 19:32:04 PST Ends: Jan-12-04 19:32:04 PST Price: Starts at $9.89 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3578309301

A couple of familiar names here: Early American Pioneers Held Captive or Killed by Indians http://www.rootsweb.com/~indian/index.htm?o_xid=0022468880&o_lid=0022468880& sourceid=00224688807125355971

Since I wrote my earlier message, I have seen the original archived discussion on this. It mentions Samuel Nutt's forge on French Creek (near Phoenixville ?) and both Cassea and Cuccasea. The original message was In an email today, Charlene states: "...Walter and John WINTER were hung July 03, 1728 Cuccasea, Chester Co Pennsylvania for killing what they thought were "hostile" Indians." Does anyone recognize that place name: Cuccasea? This incident probably took place in what is now Delaware County, possibly in the area immediately south of Philadelphia along the Delaware River. Any help on its geography will be appreciated. Marj Winter in Oriental, NC --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 1/2/2004

I am interested in the Thomas Mercer/ Mary Greenaway family, specifically the son Thomas Mercer/Hannah Taylor, his son Robert Mercer/Olive Pyle, and his son Robert Mercer/Elizabeth Brown. I am very interested in any documents concerning Robert Mercer/Olive Pyle, and in documents concerning Robert Mercer/Elizabeth Brown who eventually found their way to Monongolia Co, VA (now WV). Thanks, Marian

In an email today, Charlene states: "...Walter and John WINTER were hung July 03, 1728 Cuccasea, Chester Co Pennsylvania for killing what they thought were "hostile" Indians." Does anyone recognize that place name: Cuccasea? This incident probably took place in what is now Delaware County, possibly in the area immediately south of Philadelphia along the Delaware River. Any help on its geography will be appreciated. Marj Winter in Oriental, NC --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 1/2/2004

What a Great List this is!! I got several Excellant leads on my quiry for Frances Foster of London Grove, Pa. Now I have another question. I want to send for the Will of FF -- I know I have sent for other Chester Co. Wills over the Internet, but I can't find the site now. Does anyone know the address to order Chester Co. Pa. Wills over the Web? Thanks a million. Carol

Carol -- Chester Co. Archives website is: http://www.chesco.org/archives/ Mike Ziegler -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 7:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [PACHESTE] Chester Co. Wills What a Great List this is!! I got several Excellant leads on my quiry for Frances Foster of London Grove, Pa. Now I have another question. I want to send for the Will of FF -- I know I have sent for other Chester Co. Wills over the Internet, but I can't find the site now. Does anyone know the address to order Chester Co. Pa. Wills over the Web? Thanks a million. Carol ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at http://www.pa-roots.com/~chester/

Good morning all, I'm trying to find the parents of William A. JACKSON who was born December 25, 1828 in the area of Chetser County near the Cecil Co. MD border. I know his mother's name is Lydia but no clue as to his father's name. Lydia was still alive in 1865 according to a statement on William's Civil War pension records. He married Isabella Reynolds July 5, 1849 in Chester County, Pennsylvania. Justice of the Peace Amos Bye performed the marriage ceremony. His date of death is reported as 22 January 1865; dying as a POW at the Salisbury Confederate Prison in Salisbury, North Carolina. No obituary has been found. Tina in Florida

I thought this might interest some people since we all are so willing to grab any information we can to help us in our quest. Nancy M. Dickinson Fayette County Rootsweb Webmaster http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohfayett One of the top stories in 2003 in this newsletter was the arrest of Elias Abodeely, a 23-year-old in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, who ran a string of pseudo genealogy sites. His arrest didn't seem to deter him: 2004 has started off with a rash of the same advertising. For those who missed it, let's briefly recap this scam. The sites involved included GenSeeker.com, GenSeekers.com, genealogydevelopments.com, familydiscovery.com, genealogyfinders.net, genlocator.com, genealogy-express.com, and probably many others. Abodeely would send out spam mail from one site, then collect money until the complaints mounted, and his site eventually would be shut down by the hosting service. A week or two later he would appear with a new name and a new site on a different hosting service conducting essentially the same business. To access his sites, the hapless buyer paid $40 to $60 (the exact amount varied from time to time). None of these sites contained any genealogy information; they simply had pointers to free sites where information could be found. In other words, the buyer paid $40 to $60 to access something that was already available free of charge. Abodeely eventually ran into lots of legal difficulties. On August 1, 2003, he was arrested in Cedar Rapids, Iowa on felony charges of first-degree theft, money laundering, and ongoing criminal activity. He was released later that day, and a court appearance on those charges still has not yet been scheduled. You can read about Abodeely's arrest in my newsletter at: http://www.eogn.com/archives/news0331.htm, in the Des Moines register at http://www.dmregister.com/news/stories/c4788998/21905604.html and at http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=elias+abodeely+arr ested&btnG=Google+Search. His arrest did not slow Abodeely very much. A month later he appeared selling "self-renewing" genealogy CD-ROM disks under the name GenealogyTechs.com. That site actually was registered to Andrew Abodeely. I obtained one of these "self-renewing" genealogy CD-ROM disks and wrote about it in detail in the September 29, 2003 Plus Edition of this newsletter. GenealogyTechs.com was shut down the day after my article was published. Things have been quiet for the past three months, but on January 2, 2004, a number of newsletter readers reported receiving some fishy-looking spam mail messages. In fact, the messages appear to be word-for-word the same as the old ads for "self-renewing" genealogy CD-ROM disks sent earlier from GenealogyTechs.com - except that the new ads are coming from GenealogyTechs.net. That's right: the only difference is the previously shut down dot-COM is now replaced by a newly-registered dot-NET. A quick check of the WHOIS information shows that Genealogytechs.net is registered to the same address as GenealogyTechs.com: 1013 Agate Street, Suite B, San Diego, CA 92109, the business address of Andrew Abodeely. That is also the same address that ships the worthless "self-renewing" genealogy CD-ROM disks. In short, the Abodeelys seem to have reappeared after a three-month hiatus. Elias Abodeely's earlier arrest for felonies doesn't seem to have fazed either of the Abodeelys at all. At the time these words are being written, http://www.genealogytechs.net is up and running and looks almost identical to the previously shut down http://www.genealogytechs.com. It is also interesting to note that the new site is like the old one in several respects, especially in that it cannot handle credit cards. Instead, the buyer is suckered into paying by an "e-check" that extracts money directly from the buyer's checking account with no credit card involved. Beware! This is one method by which the earlier sites allegedly extracted money time and again from a buyer's checking accounts! Several buyers thought they paid once but, after examining their end-of-month checking account statements, found that they had been charged time and again without permission. That is one of the actions that led to Elias Abodeely's arrest. Why would a company not offer payment by credit card? That is extremely rare in the online world. The answer is simple: the owner's credit rating is so poor that he cannot obtain the merchant account required to be able to accept credit cards. In this case, he cannot even obtain a PayPal account, which is easy for mostpeople to obtain. No credit card service will give a merchant account to someone awaiting trial on charges of money laundering by using credit cards! Without access to a credit card merchant account, the Web site owner is forced to resort to online checks, a risky method for any buyer considering an online purchase. Remember that purchases made online with VISA, MasterCard or American Express are fully insured against fraud by the credit card companies. If you get "ripped off" by a shady merchant when using a credit card, the credit card companies will immediately refund all of your money and then will pursue resolution with the merchant. PayPal transactions are also fully insured in the same manner. However, if you pay by check, you have no such protection. That is true both for paper checks as well as for "e-checks." You receive only whatever insurance your local bank provides. Sadly, most banks provide no protection at all against fraudulent purchases made with a check or with a debit card. Send a check to a con artist? You lose. Any time you see a Web site offering something for sale and not accepting credit cards, ask yourself, "Why does this merchant not accept credit cards? Not even via PayPal?" Most of the time, it is because that merchant has severe financial problems. Then ask yourself if you really want to do business with such a merchant. If you receive a spam mail from GenealogyTechs.net or any similar-sounding scam, please forward it to the Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Police Department's Financial Crimes Division at [email protected] I suspect they have an interest in the "business activities" of this person, who is awaiting a court appearance after being arrested by that department. Please feel free to also enclose a copy of this article. You can read more about the Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Police Department's Financial Crimes Division at http://www.cedar-rapids.org/police/financial_crimes.asp. Please feel free to also forward this article to other genealogists, newsgroups, mailing lists, and anywhere else you feel is appropriate. What Do You Think? Comments and discussion are available on this newsletter's Discussion Board at: http://www.eogn.com/discussionboard Michelle ==== CUMBERLAND-RIVER Mailing List ==== America, my friends, is the only country in the world actually founded on liberty-- the only one. People went to America to be free. -- Margaret Thatcher ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS)

Gail, Thank you for all the info that you sent...it is funny that info found about Nicholas in Westmoreland county never made reference to his being in the Revolutionary War.. I appreciate all your help and am going to try and follow through on it all.. This site is wonderful.. Rochelle --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes

Greetings List and Happy 2004!!! It's been a while since I posted to this list and thought I'd give it another attempt. I'm looking for information on WINTER(s) that married HERBERT sisters who were daughters of John HERBERT and sisters to Morgan HERBERT. I do not have the sisters first names or anything about them. I do know Walter and John WINTER were hung July 03, 1728 Cuccasea, Chester Co Pennsylvania for killing what they thought were "hostile" Indians. I do know before the men went to confront the Indians, John had gone by his house to pick up a small child. This child was William b 1726. The child and women folk stayed at the house of John Roberts while the men all went to confront the Indians. Before John and Walter were hung, they both swore to God they thought the Indians were hostile and they thought they were helping their community and families become safer. A man by the name of John Roberts got off his horse and hit the Indian woman in the head with an axe. They both swore to God they were not guilty of murder of their mother. Apparently, WINTER took two of the Indians to the home of George BOON (sic) to collect a reward. Walter Winter and John Herbert took the corpses of the 2 Indian women and hauled them out of the road and covered them with some leaves." The 3rd brother was named Morgan Herbert, & was convicted at the same trial as an accessory to the crime, but received a reprieve, and was released by the crown. The daughter of the Walter wives was John Herbert, not Morgan, and he was also convicted of the crime. Found in PA Archives i. 218. Walter's son, William grew up in Berks Co PA where the Winter, Boone and Lincoln people all lived. This was around the town of Amity. When Squire Boone was reprimanded for two his children marrying outside of the Quaker Church, he decided to move to where his kids could marry who they wanted. They all went to VA for a while and then on to Anson Co NC in 1750. William eventually move along with them. In 1751 William and Squire Boone were the chain carriers who laid out 640 acres of land that Squire Boone had applied for through a Grant. In 1753 this Grant was approved. This area of old Anson Co now had become Rowan Co NC. I would like to know what happened to the HERBERT / WINTER wives after the death of their husbands. There's no mention of either wife going to VA / NC with BOONE family. Charlene and Family Richardson Co NE May you always walk in sunshine. May you never want for more. May Irish angels rest their wings right beside your door. "Is gaire cabhair Dé ná an doras" (Irish: God's help is nearer than your door) Determination: Doing what I know in my heart is right and the courage to stand for what I believe in ... against all odds! Genealogy research: BENFIELD, BELEW, BRADSHAW, CARSWELL, DENTON, DUCKWORTH, FRANKLIN, PHILLIPS, PRUETT, WINTERS Burke Co NC. HEATER, STILES, FORTNER, MOORE, OBRYAN, PACK, SPAULDING Lawrence Co KY>OH>NE CLOYD and FOLDEN KY >IL>IN>NE CHARLESWORTH, DUMBLETON, MOOR, RAWLINS, TERRY, VEVERS, WINTERYork England MCCARTHY County Cork Ireland and GRIMES County Tyrone (Tir Eoghan) Ireland BOVE, GIEFER, KOEPPER and KUNOLD of Germany GODFIRNON, SAELENS, DEGALAN, DEDAPPER, DELFOSSE, MICHEL of Belgium

I had to chuckle - those of us researching early Chester County....we are all related in some way!! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 9:10 AM Subject: [PACHESTE] STERN,SPEAKMAN,MERCER,KEELER,ROTHHAAS,HAINS,CURRIER,HOOPES, > Hello Chester listers, > > My Chester county lines include: SPEAKMAN, MERCER, KEELER, STERN, ELWELL, ROTHHAAS (ROTHAS), HAINS, CURRIER, HOOPES, PIERCE, HARLAN, GILPIN, STARR, EACHUS, LEWIS, PYLE, PENNEL, MINSHALL, TAYLOR, SMEDLEY, WEST, WOLLERTON, WORALL, and many others. I have met many "cousins" through this helpful list and appreciated the invaluable information, leads, and insights of list members for 8 years now. I am happy to correspond with others searching for family information. > > My brick walls: > > Howard E. SPEAKMAN possibly from the Caln/Thorndale, Coatsville, Downingtown, East Bradford area. Married to and fathered two children with Naomi MERCER who was b. about 1900. No record of him living with the family in 1920 census when first child William Arthur SPEAKMAN was 11 months old. Second child Lynwood SPEAKMAN b. about 1921 and died in early childhood, no birth certificate or census records exist for him. I have no information on which branch of the prolific SPEAKMAN family in Chester county Howard may have come from. He seems to disappear after Lynwood's birth, and it's unclear if there was a divorce or why he never lived with his wife. Perhaps he had returned from serivice in WWI and was stationed at a base? Just speculating. > > Thomas ELWELL d. 1868 & Annie Elender THOMPSON. IGI info says they married in Kimbleville in 1842. The 1840 Census lists a Thomas ELWELL who was age 30 to 40 living in London Grove with 1 male age 5 to 10, and one male age 15to 20, and 4 females: one under 5, one under 10, one under 30, and one under 40. > > Any help with these two families would be much appreciated. Thanks, and best wishes for finding new leaves on your family tree in the new year! > > -Kim > Berkeley, CA > > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at > http://www.pa-roots.com/~chester/ > > > >

from Ancestry: Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1819 Will abstracts from court documents probated between 1682 and 1819. More information below Name: Martin Cramp Description: Witness Date: 6 8 1788 Prove Date: 29 7 1795 BookPage: WBX:299 Remarks: Holl, Mathew. Kensington. N. Liberties. Co. of Phila. Wife: Mary Magdalen.Exec: Mary Magdalen Holl, Albustus Shilock.Witness: Martin, his mark, Cramp. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Name: George Cramp Description: Witness Date: 30 5 1815 Prove Date: 8 3 1817 BookPage: 6:409 Remarks: John McIntire. Kensington, Northern Liberties. Phila. Yeoman. May 30, 1815. March 8, 1817. 6.409. Estate to wife, Sarah, and daughter Catharine McIntire. Execs: Said wife, Sarah McIntire, friend John Weaver of Northern Liberties, aforesaid. Signed. McEntier. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Name: Martin Cramp Description: Witness Date: 15 7 1811 Prove Date: 20 6 1818 BookPage: 6:584 Remarks: Matthias Pote. Kensington. Phila. Co. Labourer. July 15, 1811. June 20, 1818. 6.584. Estate to my wife, Fanny, and after her death, to my children. Daughter, Catherine Cornwell, not to have her share during her husband's life. Execs: Eldest son, Peter Pote, my son-in-law, Charles Higby. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Name: Dorotea Cramp Description: Executrix Date: 3 3 1779 Prove Date: 3 4 1779 BookPage: R:193 Remarks: Cramp, John. Kensington, City of Phila. Fisherman. March 3, 1779. April 3, 1779. R.193. Wife: Dorotea. Children: No names given. Exec: Dorotea Cramp, Jacob Hill. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Name: Dorotea Cramp Description: Wife Date: 3 3 1779 Prove Date: 3 4 1779 BookPage: R:193 Remarks: Cramp, John. Kensington, City of Phila. Fisherman. March 3, 1779. April 3, 1779. R.193. Wife: Dorotea. Children: No names given. Exec: Dorotea Cramp, Jacob Hill. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Name: John Cramp Residence: Kensington, Philadelphia Description: Decedent Date: 3 3 1779 Prove Date: 3 4 1779 Title: Fisherman BookPage: R:193 Remarks: Cramp, John. Kensington, City of Phila. Fisherman. March 3, 1779. April 3, 1779. R.193. Wife: Dorotea. Children: No names given. Exec: Dorotea Cramp, Jacob Hill. are here: Search > Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1819 > Results Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania Wills, 1682-1819 Name: Martin Kramp Description: Witness Date: 4 9 1797 Prove Date: 16 6 1798 BookPage: X:738 Remarks: Valentine Sork. Kensington. N. Liberties, Phila. Fisherman. Sept 4, 1797. June 16, 1798. X.738. Wife: Mary. Daughters: Mary Baker, Catharine Rihl, Rebecca Fullerton, Salome. Exec: Wife Mary Sork. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 9:38 PM Subject: [PACHESTE] Roll Call: SELLERS, CRAMP > Seeking information about: > 1. Frederick SELLERS and wife Elenora were in Chester Co. prior to going > to western Berks Co. about 1816. He may have been associated with an iron > forge, possibly the Dowlin Forge. Elenora's surname might have been KERLIN or > BAKER or LINDLEY. > > 2. Any CRAMP or KRAMP family in the 1700s or earlly- to mid-1800s in > Chester Co. > > Any help appreciated. > Judy in TN > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at > http://www.pa-roots.com/~chester/ > > > >

only thing at Accessible Archives....for Cramp or Kramp ITEM #7178 July 7, 1854 DELAWARE COUNTY REPUBLICAN ACCIDENT. - On Wednesday morning last, a man named Cramp, who was employed in the stone quarry of John C. Beatty, near Media, came near losing his life by the premature discharge of a blast at which he was engaged. One of his legs was much shattered by a falling stone, and his person was severely burned. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 9:38 PM Subject: [PACHESTE] Roll Call: SELLERS, CRAMP > Seeking information about: > 1. Frederick SELLERS and wife Elenora were in Chester Co. prior to going > to western Berks Co. about 1816. He may have been associated with an iron > forge, possibly the Dowlin Forge. Elenora's surname might have been KERLIN or > BAKER or LINDLEY. > > 2. Any CRAMP or KRAMP family in the 1700s or earlly- to mid-1800s in > Chester Co. > > Any help appreciated. > Judy in TN > > > ==== PACHESTE Mailing List ==== > Stop by our associated website for Chester County Genealogy at > http://www.pa-roots.com/~chester/ > > > >

I have been doing land deed research in Chester County for about 10 years now. When you reach back to 1750 and before many land records were referred to as a patent. Depending on how many times a piece of land was bought and sold, a patent reference can be found in the late 1700's also. *** Many land patents during this time were recorded in Patent Book A. I can tell you that Patent Book A is missing. It is not in Chester County, it is not in Philadelphia and it is not in Harrisburg (state capital) Quite a few people have tried to find it over the years but it has not yet shown up anywhere. Sharon Chester County PA