Oh, Karl, My apologies. When I first read thru your email I mistook some of your information as "Box" Actually, your return mail they do return as >, greater than sign. I don't know what causes that. But I do type directly into AOL mail. Mark in Kansas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [PACENTRE] what counties considered to be Pennsylvania Dutch > WOW! this is over my head. think I'll take a couple days off after reading > this! Actually it is interesting but speaking for myself, I need to digest it > a bit! I am curious, though, Karl, John Casper appears in your email. I have > many,many John Casper Ros(s) in my group. Is your group from the the > Netherlands. If you don't mind where did the "John Casper" originate? Was > Casper more of a Christian name used ah...more of a title then moved around > when they arrived in America? I ask because not only do my ancestors have John > Casper all the generations thru but the first emigrant "Casper" Ros(s) was > simply listed as Casper. I wonder if he would have had a middle or first > name? Thank you! Mark Ross Permit a question -- and please, NOT a negative criticism, either!! -- about the above. Every so often I get a message that looks like the above with those little upright rectangular "boxes" separating sentences. I've wondered if they represent the use of the space bar, and I've wondered who they appear in my screen. Does anyone know if they come from a particular sort of computer or text program or e-mail program? Mark, do you write directly into an e-mail program? Now to the substance of your questions: Apparently many Germans had the practice of giving a child several names, the first of which was of some saint -- perhaps also of some other highly-esteemed person?? -- but really used the second name as the actual name. Thus, for example, my great-grandfather John Henry Moyer (d. 1872) signed his will as "Henry Moyer," and the sale bill regarding some of his personal property, etc., listed him likewise, even though his grave marker is John Henry Moyer. However, his son John Henry Moyer, (d. 1928) began to be known as "John," and one might guess that among the Lebanon Co. Pa. Dutch this practice changed at about the turn of the century. I would be grateful to anyone who can comment about this from a position of good authority on the subject. One might guess, therefore, that John Casper Stöver actually went by "Casper," though we today may suffer the "problem" of looking at formal documents that include his name, see his full "Christian name" with that saint's name first, and conclude, out of our own cultural assumptions, that HE also called himself "John Casper Stöver" or even just "John." <Casper> was a common German name, of course, and you might raise the same sort of issue with a name <John Casper Roß>, though you should not conclude firmly that he went by <Casper> simply from my comments here. Related to all this: Justin: when branches of my Meyer family moved to Centre Co, they maintained the Meyer name, and it remains there to this day, as with Meyer's Dairy and Don Meyer's motel the Autoport, both on East Atherton Street. Yet, in Lebanon Co., the name went to "Moyer," which was a Pa. Dutch mis-pronunciation of "Meyer" and which began to take on the spelling people were hearing. This is so blatant as to find my great-great-grandfather, who moved to Brush Valley in retired years, buried at Rebersburg under the name Michael MOYER but two years later a grandson of a Centre Co. so buried as William Franklin MEYER: grandfather and grandson buried next to each other with different surname spellings!! And since Michael's widow moved to a son west of Boalsburg and died 30 years later, her son buried her at Boasburg as Elizabeth MEYER!! Husband and wife buried under different surnames and in different locations. So, is there other evidence that Pa. Dutch folks who came to Centre Co. maintained older cultural ways, perhaps including therefore this question of one <John Casper Roß> really being known as <Casper>? Can anyone address these question with better authority than I? Cordially, Dr. Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

Mark, Although Karl raised a non-genealogy related issue, it's a somewhat, sort of, kind of list-related issue, so I'm going to take a crack at it here. To repeat his query: Every so often I get a message that looks like the above with those little upright rectangular "boxes" separating sentences. I've wondered if they represent the use of the space bar, and I've wondered who they appear in my screen. Does anyone know if they come from a particular sort of computer or text program or e-mail program? Mark, do you write directly into an e-mail program? Well, I'm not sure, but the "boxes" Karl sees may be reply-indent symbols. For example, for messages in Plain Text (as required by the list) my Microsoft Outlook Express program (which I have, but don't use) allows selecting either a greater than (>) sign, a vertical bar, or a colon as the indent symbol -- or apparently, none at all. The selection is made by going to the Tool Bar and clicking Tools/Options/Send tab/, which brings up a window that includes "Mail Sending Format," with a "button" for selecting "Plain Text Settings." Clicking that brings up a check box that says "Indent the original text with [either of 3 selectable symbols] when replying or forwarding." If the box is left unchecked, I guess you either get no indent, or you get an indent without a symbol. (As I say, I don't use this program. I use Mozilla Firefox, and I think it handles Plain Text quite differently.) Something else while I'm at it: Another option when sending Plain Text messages is to select the number of characters to show in each line before it wraps. Personally, I like to see the text fill the width of the screen, which I believe is 72 characters. I'm sure there must be someone out there who knows a lot more about this than I do, but when no one steped up with a good answer, I decided to step in, as meager as my knowledge is. Hope I'm not way off base! Pat [email protected] wrote: > Oh, Karl, My apologies. When I first read thru your email I mistook > some of your information as "Box" Actually, your return mail they do > return as >, greater than sign. I don't know what causes that. But I > do type directly into AOL mail.

Hi Pat! No, I'm glad you jumped in. I never gave it another thought. However, your response came through with no characters or indents markers on my side. I have never messed around with the settings in AOL mail, but now, I think I will try some different settings....and flood Karl with test emails!. hahaha! Mark in Kansas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [PACENTRE] Karl Moyer's e-mail format question Mark, Although Karl raised a non-genealogy related issue, it's a somewhat, sort of, kind of list-related issue, so I'm going to take a crack at it here. To repeat his query: Every so often I get a message that looks like the above with those little upright rectangular "boxes" separating sentences. I've wondered if they represent the use of the space bar, and I've wondered who they appear in my screen. Does anyone know if they come from a particular sort of computer or text program or e-mail program? Mark, do you write directly into an e-mail program? Well, I'm not sure, but the "boxes" Karl sees may be reply-indent symbols. For example, for messages in Plain Text (as required by the list) my Microsoft Outlook Express program (which I have, but don't use) allows selecting either a greater than (>) sign, a vertical bar, or a colon as the indent symbol -- or apparently, none at all. The selection is made by going to the Tool Bar and clicking Tools/Options/Send tab/, which brings up a window that includes "Mail Sending Format," with a "button" for selecting "Plain Text Settings." Clicking that brings up a check box that says "Indent the original text with [either of 3 selectable symbols] when replying or forwarding." If the box is left unchecked, I guess you either get no indent, or you get an indent without a symbol. (As I say, I don't use this program. I use Mozilla Firefox, and I think it handles Plain Text quite differently.) Something else while I'm at it: Another option when sending Plain Text messages is to select the number of characters to show in each line before it wraps. Personally, I like to see the text fill the width of the screen, which I believe is 72 characters. I'm sure there must be someone out there who knows a lot more about this than I do, but when no one steped up with a good answer, I decided to step in, as meager as my knowledge is. Hope I'm not way off base! Pat [email protected] wrote: > Oh, Karl, My apologies. When I first read thru your email I mistook > some of your information as "Box" Actually, your return mail they do > return as >, greater than sign. I don't know what causes that. But I > do type directly into AOL mail. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.