1st son--fathers father 2nd son--mothers father 3d son--father 4th son--fathers oldest brother 5th son--fathers 2nd oldest brother or mothers oldest brother 1st daughter--mothers mother 2nd daughter--fathers mother 3d daughter--mother 4th daughter---mothers oldest sister 5th daughter--mothers 2nd oldest sister or fathers oldest sister Often in my early Scots ancestry, I find the surnames of the mother and father's familes used as well. For instance, my grandmother was named Euphemia Pitkethly Kiddie. She was the second daughter in the family. Euphemia Pitkethley was her father's mother. Kiddie was her fathers last name. Is this the same naming pattern that you others with Scots in their ancestry are used to seeing? Diane in Iowa

>From my expereince: My Watson family followed this pattern of naming the first son after the paternal grandfather. They also seem to have a strong tradition of naming later children after their siblings. This has been very helpful in helping to link families. For example, my 5th great grandmother Agness (Nancy) Graham (second wife of James Watson) had sisters Hannah, Elinor and Hettie and named her three daughters Hannah, Elinor and Hettie. Also my ancestor James Watson had a son Lot. Seeing "Lot" as a name in other lines is a strong indicator that the family descended from my James. My great grandfather Robert Lewis Watson I was orphaned and went to Joliet Ill to live with an uncle. When he had his own family, he named his children after his cousins which was most helpful in linking the Joliet family to my line.I suspect that my great grandfather did not carry on the tradition of naming children after their paternal grandfather due to the somewhat disreputable character of his own father James. In my generation, my brother is Robert Lewis Watson IV. My brother also did not name his son after himself, ending the Robert Lewis Watson line for now, but he did carry on the other family tradition by naming his son William after our brother Bill. (My nephews full name is William Robert Watson. They live in the South and I am hoping my nephew doesn't adopt the name Billy Bob. However the Scots-Irish naming tradiiton seems to be why there are Billy Bobs in Appalachia.) These naming patterns also presents a challenge to researchers since these families were proud of having large families and within a couple of generations the numbers of James, Thomas, William, and John Watsons gets a bit overwhelming. I am wondering if Diane or anyone has any information on Agness (Nancy) Graham, born @1764 died @1834? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Graham" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 10:21 AM Subject: [PACENTRE] Scots Naming Patterns > 1st son--fathers father > 2nd son--mothers father > 3d son--father > 4th son--fathers oldest brother > 5th son--fathers 2nd oldest brother or mothers oldest brother > > 1st daughter--mothers mother > 2nd daughter--fathers mother > 3d daughter--mother > 4th daughter---mothers oldest sister > 5th daughter--mothers 2nd oldest sister or fathers oldest sister > > Often in my early Scots ancestry, I find the surnames of the mother and > father's familes used as well. > > > > For instance, my grandmother was named Euphemia Pitkethly Kiddie. She > was the second daughter in the family. > > Euphemia Pitkethley was her father's mother. Kiddie was her fathers > last name. > > > Is this the same naming pattern that you others with Scots in their > ancestry are used to seeing? > > > Diane > in Iowa > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message