Arline, I don't know if I would class it theologically in terms of 'Miracles.' Those who practice it generally associate it with a naturalistic or spiritual phenomenon, as with dowsing for water, etc. It has its roots in "folk culture" more than anything else. The early people here who believed in it and practiced it were generally adherents Lutheran and Reformed, and later of the Evangelical and United Brethren faiths, the traditionally German churches. Justin At 04:10 PM 1/27/2007, you wrote: >I didn't intend to open a can of worms but was happy to hear of others' >ancestors who "lived long". I always felt that the hard work and non >processed food was a great contributor. > >Re: Pow Wow. >Have partly researched this phenomena; My mother had her warts removed >by this method and rumor says grandfather knew how to do this although I >never observed a session. > I teach an adult Bible class and we are currently studying the >Miracles. I have been toying with a possible introduction to Pow Wow. >Seems it might fit in. But I am not sure how this subject would be >accepted. > >After all - Scripture and sometimes "hands on" is used for Pow Wow. >What is your thinking, Justin? >Arline > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've hear of pow wow - I believe there are (or were) a number of folks in the Spring Mills area who did it. I've heard that my grandmother would go over there to see people (possibly relatives) about it. There was a woman who worked at a department store where I worked as a kid who did it, but I don't remember much else - I never saw it or anything. On dowsing - that's a really interesting subject. We were at a family reunion one year, and my uncle mentioned dowsing - not for water but for electrical lines and such. There was a metal pipe running under the parking lot of the picnic area, and he showed us how he does it. Finding it unusual, we asked a lot of questions, and he said he'd show us how. He said "some have the power, some don't"... Many of us tried it, and about half were able to get the brass rods to swing when walking over the pipe. I could, and I tried it at home, looking for my utility lines before digging in fence posts. I found them, but not being 100% confident called the 'call before you dig' folks to have them mark the utilities. Pretty cool - I was right on all of them. You hold the bent metal rods loosely, and walk slowly- the rods start to swing on their own over the pipes and lines. After my experiences with dowsing, I wouldn't be surprised if there were tools to use the same way to find water. I think Hickory is often mentioned as the material to use. Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Kirk Houser" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [PACENTRE] longevity and pow wow > Arline, > > I don't know if I would class it theologically in terms of > 'Miracles.' Those who practice it generally associate it with a > naturalistic or spiritual phenomenon, as with dowsing for water, > etc. It has its roots in "folk culture" more than anything else. > > The early people here who believed in it and practiced it were > generally adherents Lutheran and Reformed, and later of the > Evangelical and United Brethren faiths, the traditionally German churches. > > Justin >

Since dowsing was mentioned, I have been dowsing unmarked cemeteries for years. I give programs at genealogy societies on "grave dowsing". So dowsing isn't just for water, minerals and such......Some call me crazy, but others think I am ok <VBG> Gloria

My late husband's great grandmother used to pow wow when he was growing up in Berks county. He remembered as a small child that any time he would be sick she would come over to do it. He found it kind of scary then, but said that it always worked. As far as dowsing, I always thought that was one of those old wives tales until we needed to get a water well drilled here. I picked out the spot I wanted the well, but my husband said that I should just be quiet and let the driller choose the spot since he was a dowser and would know best where to drill. As it ended up he choose the exact spot where I wanted the well and where 3 veins of water meet. Our well, which never runs out of water is only 68 feet deep. The others on the road, which were done without dowsers and put in convenient places, are over 200 feet deep and have so little water that you have to stagger water use so you don't run out. They have all eventually connected to the water lines (expensive and not available when we needed to drill our well) and we are the only one left useing our well. Jane Unger Deb Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: I've hear of pow wow - I believe there are (or were) a number of folks in the Spring Mills area who did it. I've heard that my grandmother would go over there to see people (possibly relatives) about it. There was a woman who worked at a department store where I worked as a kid who did it, but I don't remember much else - I never saw it or anything. On dowsing - that's a really interesting subject. We were at a family reunion one year, and my uncle mentioned dowsing - not for water but for electrical lines and such. There was a metal pipe running under the parking lot of the picnic area, and he showed us how he does it. Finding it unusual, we asked a lot of questions, and he said he'd show us how. He said "some have the power, some don't"... Many of us tried it, and about half were able to get the brass rods to swing when walking over the pipe. I could, and I tried it at home, looking for my utility lines before digging in fence posts. I found them, but not being 100% confident called the 'call before you dig' folks to have them mark the utilities. Pretty cool - I was right on all of them. You hold the bent metal rods loosely, and walk slowly- the rods start to swing on their own over the pipes and lines. After my experiences with dowsing, I wouldn't be surprised if there were tools to use the same way to find water. I think Hickory is often mentioned as the material to use. Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Kirk Houser" To: Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [PACENTRE] longevity and pow wow > Arline, > > I don't know if I would class it theologically in terms of > 'Miracles.' Those who practice it generally associate it with a > naturalistic or spiritual phenomenon, as with dowsing for water, > etc. It has its roots in "folk culture" more than anything else. > > The early people here who believed in it and practiced it were > generally adherents Lutheran and Reformed, and later of the > Evangelical and United Brethren faiths, the traditionally German churches. > > Justin > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hoot Owl Hollow NurseryNew Marshfield OH 45766740-664-2409 http://www.hootowlhollow.com --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.

I may have missed this on an earlier post, but where does the term Pow-Wow come from, did they borrow the term from Native Americans? Sara on 1/27/07 6:19 PM, Justin Kirk Houser at [email protected] wrote: > Arline, > > I don't know if I would class it theologically in terms of > 'Miracles.' Those who practice it generally associate it with a > naturalistic or spiritual phenomenon, as with dowsing for water, > etc. It has its roots in "folk culture" more than anything else. > > The early people here who believed in it and practiced it were > generally adherents Lutheran and Reformed, and later of the > Evangelical and United Brethren faiths, the traditionally German churches. > > Justin > > At 04:10 PM 1/27/2007, you wrote: >> I didn't intend to open a can of worms but was happy to hear of others' >> ancestors who "lived long". I always felt that the hard work and non >> processed food was a great contributor. >> >> Re: Pow Wow. >> Have partly researched this phenomena; My mother had her warts removed >> by this method and rumor says grandfather knew how to do this although I >> never observed a session. >> I teach an adult Bible class and we are currently studying the >> Miracles. I have been toying with a possible introduction to Pow Wow. >> Seems it might fit in. But I am not sure how this subject would be >> accepted. >> >> After all - Scripture and sometimes "hands on" is used for Pow Wow. >> What is your thinking, Justin? >> Arline >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sara The word "powwow" comes from the Narragansett tribe of Aboriginal Americans, it means "shaman" or medicine man. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric and Sara Sanders-Buell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [PACENTRE] longevity and pow wow >I may have missed this on an earlier post, but where does the term Pow-Wow > come from, did they borrow the term from Native Americans? > > Sara > > > > on 1/27/07 6:19 PM, Justin Kirk Houser at [email protected] wrote: > >> Arline, >> >> I don't know if I would class it theologically in terms of >> 'Miracles.' Those who practice it generally associate it with a >> naturalistic or spiritual phenomenon, as with dowsing for water, >> etc. It has its roots in "folk culture" more than anything else. >> >> The early people here who believed in it and practiced it were >> generally adherents Lutheran and Reformed, and later of the >> Evangelical and United Brethren faiths, the traditionally German >> churches. >> >> Justin >> >> At 04:10 PM 1/27/2007, you wrote: >>> I didn't intend to open a can of worms but was happy to hear of others' >>> ancestors who "lived long". I always felt that the hard work and non >>> processed food was a great contributor. >>> >>> Re: Pow Wow. >>> Have partly researched this phenomena; My mother had her warts removed >>> by this method and rumor says grandfather knew how to do this although I >>> never observed a session. >>> I teach an adult Bible class and we are currently studying the >>> Miracles. I have been toying with a possible introduction to Pow Wow. >>> Seems it might fit in. But I am not sure how this subject would be >>> accepted. >>> >>> After all - Scripture and sometimes "hands on" is used for Pow Wow. >>> What is your thinking, Justin? >>> Arline >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >