I have never heard of such a record and, in fact, would be interested to know where the records that you speak of are kept. Justin On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:21 AM, eric sanders-buell <mseevirginia@cox.net>wrote: > Does anyone know if Centre County and other PA counties kept records > in the local courthouses of German Immigrant servant contracts? I > understand the Pennsylvania German Society persuaded the state of PA > to register all German Redemptioners after 1784 upon arrival at the > port Philadelphia but wondered if the buyer and redemptioner had to > also register at a local level. > > Sara Sanders-Buell > Centre County lines: Twitmyer, Haner, Evans, Reese, Gephardt > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Maybe a reference to "Apprenticeship" records - some states have these or it may be noted in some census - Mimi Taylor I have never heard of such a record and, in fact, would be interested to know where the records that you speak of are kept. Justin On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:21 AM, eric sanders-buell <mseevirginia@cox.net>wrote: > Does anyone know if Centre County and other PA counties kept records > in the local courthouses of German Immigrant servant contracts? I > understand the Pennsylvania German Society persuaded the state of PA > to register all German Redemptioners after 1784 upon arrival at the > port Philadelphia but wondered if the buyer and redemptioner had to > also register at a local level. > > Sara Sanders-Buell > Centre County lines: Twitmyer, Haner, Evans, Reese, Gephardt > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 2458 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message
Googled books - Farley Ward Grubb - Babes in Bondage? Debt Shifting by German ... He is the author of German Immigrant Servant Contracts Registered at the Port of Philadelphia, 1817–1831 (Baltimore, 1994); "The Circulating Medium of ... muse.jhu.edu/journals/journal_of_interdisciplinary_history/v037/37.1grubb_f.html St. Louis Public Library - Passenger lists German immigrant servant contracts registered at the port of Philadelphia Mimi Taylor -----Original Message----- From: pacentre-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pacentre-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Justin Houser Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:12 AM To: eric sanders-buell Cc: PACENTRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACENTRE] German immigrant servant quetion I have never heard of such a record and, in fact, would be interested to know where the records that you speak of are kept. Justin On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:21 AM, eric sanders-buell <mseevirginia@cox.net>wrote: > Does anyone know if Centre County and other PA counties kept records > in the local courthouses of German Immigrant servant contracts? I > understand the Pennsylvania German Society persuaded the state of PA > to register all German Redemptioners after 1784 upon arrival at the > port Philadelphia but wondered if the buyer and redemptioner had to > also register at a local level. > > Sara Sanders-Buell > Centre County lines: Twitmyer, Haner, Evans, Reese, Gephardt > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 2458 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message
Sounds like a lot packed into few [146] pages - Title German immigrant servant contracts registered at the port of Philadelphia, 1817-1831 Author Farley Ward Grubb Publisher Genealogical Pub. Co., 1994 ISBN 0806314168, 9780806314167 Length 146 pages Subjects German Americans Horror stories Indentured servants Juvenile Fiction / General Juvenile Fiction / Horror & Ghost Stories Reference / Genealogy Ships ©1994-2009 Mimi Taylor Generation Gap Specialist™ for HALL-PRATT-TAYLOR + PIERCE "From Pierce-Arrows 2 Straight Arrows"© -----Original Message----- From: pacentre-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pacentre-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Justin Houser Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:12 AM To: eric sanders-buell Cc: PACENTRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PACENTRE] German immigrant servant quetion I have never heard of such a record and, in fact, would be interested to know where the records that you speak of are kept. Justin On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:21 AM, eric sanders-buell <mseevirginia@cox.net>wrote: > Does anyone know if Centre County and other PA counties kept records > in the local courthouses of German Immigrant servant contracts? I > understand the Pennsylvania German Society persuaded the state of PA > to register all German Redemptioners after 1784 upon arrival at the > port Philadelphia but wondered if the buyer and redemptioner had to > also register at a local level. > > Sara Sanders-Buell > Centre County lines: Twitmyer, Haner, Evans, Reese, Gephardt > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PACENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 2458 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message
Justin, A researcher at the National Archives suggested I start investigating redemptioner records in order to pin-point my German immigrant ancestor's arrival in the U.S. This led me to a book by Farley Grubb entitled "German Immigrant Servant Contracts Registered at the Port of Philadelphia, 1817-1831. In the book he mentions that after the revolution the Pennsylvania German Society convinced the State of Penna to keep a register of all German immigrant contracts. Apparently there are 3 book (A spans 1785-1804, Book B spans 1805-Nov. 4, 1817 and book C which spans Nov. 5, 1817 - 1831). I was able to order a micro film of this document from the LDS library. The Researcher at the National Archives also suggested I ask at the local level if records were kept in the county courthouses. Subsequent to my email to the list I got an answer from the Adams County, PA (my ancestor worked off his ship's passage in Adams County to a Mr. Deardorf beginning in 1795) Historical Society saying thy did not think that Adams County, PA had any such records. I was secretly hoping that you Justin would know just where to find these types of records squirreled away somewhere in Centre County! Sara On Oct 9, 2009, at 8:12 AM, Justin Houser wrote: > I have never heard of such a record and, in fact, would be > interested to know where the records that you speak of are kept. > > Justin > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:21 AM, eric sanders-buell <mseevirginia@cox.net > > wrote: > Does anyone know if Centre County and other PA counties kept records > in the local courthouses of German Immigrant servant contracts? I > understand the Pennsylvania German Society persuaded the state of PA > to register all German Redemptioners after 1784 upon arrival at the > port Philadelphia but wondered if the buyer and redemptioner had to > also register at a local level. > > Sara Sanders-Buell > Centre County lines: Twitmyer, Haner, Evans, Reese, Gephardt > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PACENTRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >
Hi Sara, Thanks for asking the question because this has led us all to this source of records for German immigrants from 1785 to 1831 which may prove to be invaluable. As to Centre County, I don't know of any such records that were kept separately. We have several records of Slave Births that were kept from 1803-1820 and are available on the County website, having been digitized, but not of indentured servants. Some of these indenture contracts may have been recorded in the county miscellaneous docket, or perhaps even in the deed books, which are on file in the Recorder of Deeds office and can be viewed for a fee online. These records, however, like all Centre County records, do not begin until 1800-1801 (the county was organized Feb. 13, 1800). I have seen contracts for children to take care of their parents in their old age recorded in these books. The old newspapers also sometimes contain records of servants running away, which may be somewhat helpful. Tax records that early usually do not indicate if a person was a servant to someone else. In Lancaster County I know that the Trinity Lutheran Church records in Lancaster City have lists of people who took communion there in the 1700s and these lists often mention that someone was an indentured servant, and whom they were serving at the time, which is a great resource. Justin On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:28 PM, eric sanders-buell <mseevirginia@cox.net>wrote: > Justin, > A researcher at the National Archives suggested I start investigating > redemptioner records in order to pin-point my German immigrant ancestor's > arrival in the U.S. This led me to a book by Farley Grubb entitled "German > Immigrant Servant Contracts Registered at the Port of Philadelphia, > 1817-1831. In the book he mentions that after the revolution the > Pennsylvania German Society convinced the State of Penna to keep a register > of all German immigrant contracts. Apparently there are 3 book (A spans > 1785-1804, Book B spans 1805-Nov. 4, 1817 and book C which spans Nov. 5, > 1817 - 1831). I was able to order a micro film of this document from the > LDS library. The Researcher at the National Archives also suggested I ask > at the local level if records were kept in the county courthouses. > Subsequent to my email to the list I got an answer from the Adams County, > PA (my ancestor worked off his ship's passage in Adams County to a Mr. > Deardorf beginning in 1795) Historical Society saying thy did not think that > Adams County, PA had any such records. > > I was secretly hoping that you Justin would know just where to find these > types of records squirreled away somewhere in Centre County! > > Sara > > > On Oct 9, 2009, at 8:12 AM, Justin Houser wrote: > > I have never heard of such a record and, in fact, would be interested to > know where the records that you speak of are kept. > > Justin > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:21 AM, eric sanders-buell <mseevirginia@cox.net>wrote: > >> Does anyone know if Centre County and other PA counties kept records >> in the local courthouses of German Immigrant servant contracts? I >> understand the Pennsylvania German Society persuaded the state of PA >> to register all German Redemptioners after 1784 upon arrival at the >> port Philadelphia but wondered if the buyer and redemptioner had to >> also register at a local level. >> >> Sara Sanders-Buell >> Centre County lines: Twitmyer, Haner, Evans, Reese, Gephardt >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PACENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >