Hi! We believe Johann Herman to be our John's father also. We also believe Bastian or Sabastion to be the father of Johann Herman, but have not proven it yet. John who married Sophia DOUGHERTY had the following children: Catherine Helman m 1) Michael CRIAL 2)George WALKEY David Helman m Elizabeth SMITH Mary Helman m. Daniel ESHELMAN Herman/Harman Antus Helman m Mary BRINKARD Abel Dougherty Helman m. Martha Jane KANAGY John Roland Helman m Martha Jane PANCOAST Jacob Dougherty Helman Emmeline m. David BRICKLEY Jacob Dougherty Helman m. Mary H. BOWER 31 Jan 1860 in Howard, Centre Co.,PA although he was raised and living in Ashland Co.,OH. She was one of the daughters of Christian BOWER and Susan SCHENCK. John, son of Johannes Herman also had a brother Jacob who married Sarah <unknown> and they had: Robert Harman W. m. Mary MORRIS Elizabeth m. David ESHELMAN (brother of Daniel above) Mary Magdalena m. Thomas CROSBY After Harman W. died in 1852 (without issue), Mary married Jacob A. DOUGHERTY. Let me know if you need anything else. Robin At 10:21 PM 2/16/02 EST, you wrote: >Robin, > >Info I've seen indicates that Johann Herman Helman, who died 1797 in Haines >Twp, Centre (then Northumberland) Co, had a son Johannes, b 8 Aug 1787 and bp >24 Apr 1789 at the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Middleton, Frederick Co, >MD. This is a year and 3 days off of the date you have. > >What I believe makes this data relative to your search is that at least two >of this Johannes' siblings -- Susan (Helman) Bechdel and Maria Magdalena >(Helman) Brickley -- came to the Bald Eagle Valley, just as he did. This >could be a connection. > >I really don't know at this point, however, whether this Johannes and your >John are the same person. > >I have some ties to the Bechdel/Schenck connection and would be interested in >sharing information. > >Justin > >Justin Kirk Houser >Genealogist/Researcher of Central PA and Beyond >Main Lines: Houser, Breon, Shawley, Ranio/Hrynio (and others) >President, BAHS Class of 2003 >Student Representative, BASD Board of Education >Listowner, PACENTRE-L@Rootsweb.com >Historian, Schürch Association of North America (specialty Central PA lines) >Member, Valley View United Methodist Church >"Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature" > > >==== PACENTRE Mailing List ==== >Ideas for new projects to get Centre County data online? E-mail the listowner! Also visit our Centre Co. GenWeb archives page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/centrez.html > > >