Robin, I apologize in advance if this doesn't connect to what's been posted (I deleted the orig posting before reading it in full). But the surname HERMAN caught my attention. Would it happen to be this one or perhaps related to, or am I wayyyyyyyyy off-base?!? Best regards, Jacquelyn Descendants of Johannes Hermann 1 Johannes HERMANN b: Abt. 1730 Bavaria, Germany +Elizabeth BATSLY b: Abt. 1730 m: Abt. 1755 2 John HERMAN b: 03/11/1761 Bavaria, Germany d: 12/08/1840 probably Clearfield Co., PA +Catherine MILLER b: 1762 d: 1806 probably Clearfield Co., PA m: Abt. 1793 3 Henry HERMAN b: Abt. 1795 +Anna b: Abt. 1795 3 Catherine HERMAN b: Bet. 11/24/1798 - 03/24/1799 PA d: Bet. 01/11 - 05/11/1876 +Joseph BARGER, Sr. b: 10/31/1790 PA d: 06/01/1866 m: Abt. 1819 Father: George BARGER, Sr. Mother: Margaretha DUNNEHOUER(?) 3 Margaret HERMAN b: Bet. 1799 - 1806 PA d: 09/14/1882 Bradford Twp., Clearfield Co., PA +Isaac "Berge" BARGER b: Bet. 1791 - 08/31/1801 Lawrence Twp., Clearfield Co., PA d: 05/11/1849 Bradford Twp., Clearfield Co., PA m: Bef. 10/19/1819 PA Father: George BARGER, Sr. Mother: Margaretha DUNNEHOUER(?) 2 Philip T. HERMAN b: Abt. 1763 2 Henry HERMAN b: Abt. 1765 2 Samuel HERMAN b: Abt. 1767 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Helman" <robinsnest@centurytel.net> To: <PACENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 10:15 PM Subject: [PACENTRE] Re: HELMAN / DOUGHERTY / BOWER > Hi! > > We believe Johann Herman to be our John's father also. We also believe > Bastian or Sabastion to be the father of Johann Herman, but have not proven > it yet. > > John who married Sophia DOUGHERTY had the following children: > > Catherine Helman m 1) Michael CRIAL 2)George WALKEY > David Helman m Elizabeth SMITH > Mary Helman m. Daniel ESHELMAN > Herman/Harman Antus Helman m Mary BRINKARD > Abel Dougherty Helman m. Martha Jane KANAGY > John Roland Helman m Martha Jane PANCOAST > Jacob Dougherty Helman > Emmeline m. David BRICKLEY > > Jacob Dougherty Helman m. Mary H. BOWER 31 Jan 1860 in Howard, Centre > Co.,PA although he was raised and living in Ashland Co.,OH. She was one of > the daughters of Christian BOWER and Susan SCHENCK. > > John, son of Johannes Herman also had a brother Jacob who married Sarah > <unknown> and they had: > > Robert > Harman W. m. Mary MORRIS > Elizabeth m. David ESHELMAN (brother of Daniel above) > Mary Magdalena m. Thomas CROSBY > > After Harman W. died in 1852 (without issue), Mary married Jacob A. DOUGHERTY. > > Let me know if you need anything else. > > Robin >