This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------701F2721B9F733CC16C2FE8D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Karl and others, Like some of you, I am a direct descendant of Johann Adam STAMM and Elizabeth KEEN also, and I have attached the link to the STAMM Family on rootsweb message board. I was born and raised in Berrien Co, MI. All the names in the "Subject line" can be found in Berrien Co, MI. ==> They all came from Centre Co, PA. I think you will find some of your answers here but you will also have may more questions than when you started and I guess that is what genealogy is all about. Best regards, Scott Kater - In Appleton, WI --------------701F2721B9F733CC16C2FE8D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <STAMM-D-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from lists7.rootsweb.com ([63.92.80.56]) by mtiwgwc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020414050126.GZSS1708.mtiwgwc22.worldnet.att.net@lists7.rootsweb.com> for <scott.kater@worldnet.att.net>; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 05:01:26 +0000 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists7.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3E515c10487; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 23:01:05 -0600 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 23:01:05 -0600 Message-Id: <200204140501.g3E515c10487@lists7.rootsweb.com> From: STAMM-D-request@rootsweb.com Subject: STAMM-D Digest V02 #11 X-Loop: STAMM-D@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <STAMM-D@rootsweb.com> archive/volume02/11 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: STAMM-D@rootsweb.com Reply-To: STAMM-L@rootsweb.com X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain STAMM-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 11 Today's Topics: #1 Re: The Stemm Family History [ravinson@earthlink.net] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from STAMM-D, send a message to STAMM-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. To contact the list administrator, send mail to STAMM-admin@rootsweb.com. ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #1 Date: 13 Apr 2002 04:43:49 -0600 From: ravinson@earthlink.net To: STAMM-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <MFMBM002LHMc1TMLFdx00034d16@mfmbm002.myfamilycorp.local> Subject: Re: The Stemm Family History Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Stemm, Stamm, Stem, Spangler Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kIJBAEB/157.3 Message Board Post: I have read your Stemm Family history postings with great interest. It appears that you are my 5th cousin once removed and are probably related to me also by several marriage(s) involving a Stemm (aka Stamm, Stem) and a Spangler. Catherine Lydia Stamm (Stemm) Spangler [daughter of Johann(as) Adam Stamm] was my ggggrandmother (my father's father's mother's father's mother). She apparently had 14 children (one of whom was my gggrandfather, Samuel Spangler, who served with two of his brothers in a Civil War artillery unit.) Additionally, Catherine Stamm Spangler's brother-in-law (her husband John George Spangler's brother George) married Lydia Ann Stem(m), who was the daugther of a "Nicholas Stem, Jr." All of these folks were from Centre County, PA, and are included in the Spangler Family Genealogy page -- http://www.spanglers.info -- thus, I presume that "Nicholas Stem Jr." is the son of Nicholas Stamm and Catherine Lerch and the brother of Johann Adam Stamm, which would mean that the Spangler brothers referenced above married Stemm/Stamm/Stem cousins. To further entangle the Stamms and Spanglers, Peter S. Spangler, the father of the referenced Spangler brothers, married Catherine Fengel Stem (the widow of Nicholas Jr.), after they had both lost their original spouses. The reference in your Stemm Family history to yet another Stamm/Spangler marriage has me rather baffled, but perhaps you or someone else can clear up the confusion. Your Stemm family history refers to a daughter of Johann Adam Stamm who married a George Spangler from Lockport, IL and states that she died young without any children, though George later remarried and had children named Agnes, Mary, Elmer and Howard. According to the Spanglers.info website, the George Spangler I referred to above (who married Lydia Ann Stem) had two children named Catharine and George, and Lydia died at the age of 79, so I doubt they are the couple referenced in your Stamm Family history. On the other hand, my gggrandfather Samuel Spangler had a brother named George Franklyn Spangler who had children named Agnes, Mary, Elmer and Howard (as well as others) and was a resident of Lockport, IL from at least 1878 until his death in 1897. Since his mother (Catherine Stamm Spangler) was Adam Stamm's sister, it would be easy to see how a 1952 history would make that kind of mistake. His wife was named Catherine Kopp and has a long and productive life, however, so I'm still confused about the reference to someone dying young without children. There is another scenario which may explain this situation. The IL marriage records (searchable at http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/genealogy/marrsrch.html ) show a 1849 Will County marriage of a Sarah Spangler to an Isaac E. Spangler. The 1850 Census records for Will County, IL (searchable at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilwill/1850census.htm ) show a newborn child named Agnes living with a 22 year old Sarah Spangler and a 25 year old Isaac E. Spangler in Lockport, Will Co., IL, who are natives of PA. Since (a) this Lockport, IL Sarah Spangler has the same birth year as the Sarah Spangler referred to on the Spanglers.info website as being one of the 14 children of John George and Catherine Stamm Spangler, and (b) Sarah is the only family member not shown on the 1850 Census records in neighboring Plainfield, IL with her parents and the other 11 children born before 1850, I would presume that she was indeed born Sarah Spangler (as the IL Mariage records s! uggest) and perhaps married a distant cousin (no such Isaac is found on the Spanglers.info website so I can't say what their exact kinship was). Interestingly, there is no death date, burial information, marriage info, or children listed for Sarah on the Spanglers.info website, which suggests to me that she died very young (i.e. before any of her Illinois family members) and was probably buried near her husband's Lockport home. It may be that your Stemm Family history confuses Sarah Spangler Spangler with the Sarah Stemm who was one of the otherwise unaccounted for sisters of Adam (et al.) Stemm. It is also conceivable that there never was a Sarah Spangler in the John George and Catherine Stamm Spangler family and that the Sarah Spangler from Lockport,IL was Johann Stamm's daughter and your family history is correct (except for confusing George with Isaac). Given the apparently limited number of potential spouses in Centre County, it may even be the case that Sarah Stamm was originally married to a George Spangler and later married (his brother/cousin?) Isaac when George died. Or perhaps (a) Isaac Spangler was Sarah Stamm's first husband, (b) Isaac was confused with Sarah's Stamm's brother-in-law John George Spangler or her cousin-in-law George in your Stamm Family history, and (c) the IL marriage records were filled out or transcribed wrong. Maybe you or someone out there can shed some light on the mystery of Sarah whomever-she-really-was Spangler. It sounds like a fascinating story no matter what really happened. In any event, thanks for the great info on the Stamm line, Cousin Scott. -------------------------------- End of STAMM-D Digest V02 Issue #11 *********************************** --------------701F2721B9F733CC16C2FE8D--