In a message dated 08/08/2001 1:44:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ACMBJC@aol.com writes: << I am a new subscriber and am searching for information about my second greatgrandmother, Mary DOLAN, b. 1825 County Galway, Ireland; md. Patrick KELLY (no dates known); d. 1890 Allegheny City, Allegheny Co., PA; buried St. Mary's cemetery, Lawrenceville, Allegheny Co., PA. >> Hi In Tombstone Inscriptions of Centre Co., Pa by Lorentz: DOLAN, John W. Pr. Co. D. 45th Reg. 11/22/1836 - 11/6/1916 DOLAN, James Pr. Co. E. 102nd Reg. NY inft. d. 4/24/1900, 69 yrs. KELLY, Patrick d. 2/27/1882, 65y. b. 1817, wife Mary b. Ireland d. 2/17/1869, 52y, b. 1817 KELLY, James d. 1/28/1888, 78, b. 1810 KELLY, James d. 10/7/1885, 30y KELLY, Timothy d. 6/27/1883, 38 y KELLY, Bridget (w/o James) d. 1/21/1894, 50 y KELLY, Geo. W. 11/25/1873 - 1/12/1944, Anna E. 1879 - 19.. KELLY, Cath. (w/o Owen) d. 5/6/1880 64Y KELLEY, Owen d. 2/12/1893, 87 Y KELLEY, Odie (no dates) wife Annie KELLEY, Michael, d. 1873 KELLEY, Theodore 3/9/1843 - 6/2/1882, wife Sarah WOODS d. 10/7/1919 There is a William KELLEY b. 1755, Cumberland Co. d. 1837, who is listed in Centre Co. American Rev. Soldiers & Patriots. There are a lot of KELLY/KELLEY'S listed in the marriage records of Centre Co. Hope this helps! Jean

Subj: [PANORTHU-L] Some 1872 & 1873 marriages Date: 09/01/2001 4:42:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: SMrcus@aol.com To: PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com >From the Northumberland Democrat, Friday March 8, 1872: Feb 4th by Rev. J. W. EARLY........ Hi Does anyone on this list group have info on the "EARLY " listed above or the family? I have a Polly HUGHES m. to Jeremiah EARLY (*EASLEY listed in the Historical Journal) in 1823 in Centre Co. (Spring Twp.) Pa by Rev. James Linn. Ref. Source is the Historical Journal and James V. Brown Mem. Library in Williamsport, PA. Thanks! Jean Corio Tampa, Fl

Dorothy, His obituary in the CENTRE DEMOCRAT of Thu. 10 Oct 1946 reads: "Benjamin Franklin Kennelley, of Spring Mills, died at his home there at 9:10 p.m. Tuesday, October 8, 1946, after an illness with a complication of diseases. He was a bricklayer by trade. Deceased was a son of Thomas and Anna Mary Alters Kennelley and was born in Spring Mills on November 10, 1869, making his age at time of death 76 years, 10 months and 28 days. There are no survivors in the immediate family. Funeral services will be held at 2 p.m. Saturday at the Neff funeral home, Millheim, with Rev. W. K. Hosterman officiating. Interment will be made in the Georges Valley cemetery." Info on his son would be much appreciated. Justin Justin Kirk Houser Genealogist/Researcher of Central PA and Beyond Main Lines: Houser, Breon, Shawley, Ranio (and others) President, BAHS Class of 2003 Listowner, PACENTRE-L@Rootsweb.com Historian, Schürch Association of North America (specialty Central PA lines) Member, Valley View United Methodist Church "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature"

I came across the following three items in the LDS catalog under Centre County, Pennsylvania. I wonder if any list members are familiar with any of these? Thanx, Sue Centre County, Pennsylvania records Pennsylvania, Centre - Names, Personal - Indexes by Suzanne Walkowiak Rice Sources for the names are: Brush Valley names; Centre County church records (Aaronsburg Lutheran Church baptisms); Church records, Sugar Valley, Clinton County (St. Peter's congregation, Rebersburg); History and records of Emanuel Church, Tusseyville, Pa., Lutheran and German Reform congregations; Marriages 1800-1850 Centre County; Notes & queries, v. 1898 and 1900 (Emanuel's church at the Loop, Centre Hill Presbyterian Graveyard, Heckman's Church of Penn's Valley); Penn Creek Lutheran Church, Penn Hall, baptisms. or Marriages, 1800-1885, Centre County, Pennsylvania compiled by Harold O. Thomen [v. 1], Nancy Lee Stover [v.2-3] ; edited by Gladys Campbell Murray Contents: v. 1. 1800-1850 -- v. 2. 1851-1873 -- v. 3. 1874-1885. or Lycoming, Clinton & Centre Cos., Penna.; parish & cemetery records compiled by the Fort Antes Chapter, D.A.R. Jersey Shore, Pa Contents: Lycoming County: First (German) Lutheran Church, Jersey Shore (pastors, communicants and confirmations, baptisms 1867-1960, marriages 1869-1961, deaths 1869-1961); St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Collomsville (baptisms 1840-1894, marriages 1892-1894, funerals 1856-1895); St. James Lutheran Church on Lycoming and Clinton counties' border (marriages 1867-1907, deaths 1870-1907, baptisms 1867-1908); Marriages and obituaries from Oval ledger 1906-1924 -- Clinton County: Evangelical Cemetery at Tylersville; Mt. Union Cemetery, Greene Township near old Bixler Church; Mt. Zion Churchyard in Greene Township; Old Esher Churchyard, Booneville; St. Paul's EUB Churchyard near Logan Mills in Logan Township; Greenegrove Cemetery in Greene Township; Schracktown Cemetery in Greene Township; Price Cemetery in Greene Township; Brethren Cemetery at Eastville; Graves on private land adjoining Brethren Cemetery; Brungard or St. Martin's Cemetery in Greene Township; Reformed Cemetery at Gr! eenburr; Lutheran Churchyard at Loganton; Union Cemetery at Tylersville; Tylersville Lutheran Cemetery; Evangelical Churchyard at Greenburr; Fairview Evangelical Cemetery at Loganton; St. John Lutheran at Booneville; Mt. Pleasant Cemetery at Rosecrans; ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Contents (continued): Sugar Valley Church of the Brethren at Eastville (marriages 1857-1966 including births and deaths, members and when joined, deaths 1939-1966); Old Lutheran Church, Tylersville (baptisms 1905-1954, 1862-1895, deaths 1899-1957; St. Martin's Evangelical Lutheran Church (pastors and church officials, members, baptisms 1889, 1922-1931, burials 1890, 1932-1941, history); St. John's Lutheran Church, Booneville (baptisms 1863-1898, marriages 1868-1896, deaths 1812, 1869-1941); Deaths from scrapbook kept by Mrs. Merrill Brungard (Ruth Edna Lehman) 1900-1931, 1934-1962 -- Bible records, etc.: Henry Greninger, Brungard, Brown, Henry Barner (includes letter), Stover, Leathers -- Centre County: Marriages by Rev. James Linn who served Presbyterian Church at Bellefonte 1810-1868; Centre County newspaper marriages, obituaries, etc. 1869-1879, 1905-1907.

Sue and list I, too, would be interested in information about Frederick BURKERT. I have a diary written by Wesley BIERLY in which he writes: 2 Sep 1861 E. J. Burkert and his brother Ed. left Rebersburg for Indiana state. Who was E. J. Suzanne

Cannot find PARENTS or SIBLINGS of JOHN SWEETWOOD. b. 1801 (some say in Berks Co. but never found it) d. 7-22-1887 in Potter Twp. buried Sprucetown Cemetery 1828 married Elizabeth Alexander..................7 children ca 1844 married Eliza ketchner or Ketner...........5 children Have info on their children etc. Arline

Hi Bob Leitzell, the Noffsker's were also married into the Kennelley Family. I'd like to be in contact with you, and try to see if we can follow the lineage. Waiting to hear from you. Dorothy (Kennelley) Cote

While having conversation while visiting the Centre Hall Grange Fair with an older couple in Spring Mills, about Harold & his parents; Robert Gates Kennelley and Lillian Leitzell; they also brought up the name of Ben Kennelley, who never married. They said he raised a child & lived in the same area all of his life. Does anyone know anything about him? I wonder if he was a brother or uncle to Robert. Any info will be much appreciated. Dorothy Cote

Sue, E-mail me with your postal address and I will get the pages you need in the mail to you. I have both books, so just list the page numbers by book. As far as a charge for copies send what it is worth to you, if you really feel you must. As a rule I don't charge for look-ups. Regards, Chuck Bush http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cfbush http://www.bushbooks.com http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacchsm At 09:56 AM 8/30/01 -0400, KSK wrote: >I have a partial copy of and index from >History of Centre & Clinton by John Blair Linn. >I would like to obtain some pages that are indexed >and my question is - does anyone know the cost >for copies, etc. >I presume I could write to the Bellefonte Library, >but need to know how much money to send them. >I am also missing one page of the >Commemorative Bio Record of Central PA by >J.H Beers & Co 1898 - page 253, which was >the Bio of George W. Kreamer, which began on >page 252. Would anyone know what the last paragraph >said. >Thanks for any help. >Sue Kramer - Ohio > > > > >==== PACENTRE Mailing List ==== >Ideas for new projects to get Centre County data online? E-mail the >listowner! Also visit our Centre Co. GenWeb archives >page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/centrez.html

Hello listmembers Would anyone be able to check Rebersburg, PA cemetery records for a Frederick Burkert b. abt 1810 and his wife Mary Kramer Burkert b. abt 1813.Would like to know death dates and where buried. Mary is the dau of Jacob Kramer and Catherine Geisler. Thanks for any help on this family. Sue

I have a partial copy of and index from History of Centre & Clinton by John Blair Linn. I would like to obtain some pages that are indexed and my question is - does anyone know the cost for copies, etc. I presume I could write to the Bellefonte Library, but need to know how much money to send them. I am also missing one page of the Commemorative Bio Record of Central PA by J.H Beers & Co 1898 - page 253, which was the Bio of George W. Kreamer, which began on page 252. Would anyone know what the last paragraph said. Thanks for any help. Sue Kramer - Ohio

Hi: Thank you for the important information on the warrantees! I don't know what the law was back in the 1800's but in Michigan, I believe, land acquired by a Will was recorded by deed from "The Estate of ...." or at least that is what is done in Michigan. The executor prepared and the Court approved the transaction. Consequently, the record of the land transfer would be in both the estate file (Probate Court) and the Register of Deeds (in MI) and handwritten in the Tract Index. States have different names for the departments and different laws. Many complications can occur during this time---objections by other heirs, problems with some heirs refusing to sign off, claims of incompetence of the deceased, and so on. Really quite fascinating. I have a copy of a file for a gg grandmother (widow) of my husband. The Will is quite definite that the estate was to be split between her daughter (g grandmother) and her granddaughter (grandmother) but that didn't happen. His grandmother received nothing according to the final Order. Explain that??? This kinda confirmed other things about the g grandmother who didn't raise her own daughter (his grandmother). She was raised by her this grandparents. Her mother divorced ? (no record) and married two more times?? What things we find in genealogy! Marge ----- Original Message ----- From: <JKHouser84@aol.com> To: <PACENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 10:29 PM Subject: [PACENTRE] Pennsylvania Land Records, Warrants, etc. > Hello all, > > The land system at that time worked something like this, as I understand it: > > A person became entitled (either by purchase, recompense for military > service, or some other gift) to a prescribed amount of land, from the > Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. This person would then take out a Warrant, > stating that a certain acreage in their name existed within the Commonwealth. > This was not yet surveyed, etc. Thus, with the warrants, it is basically a > document stating, "Somewhere in Centre County, the bearer _____ is entitled > to 300 acres of land for service in the military or payment of a set sum," > etc., etc., although in much more "legal" language. > > The person could keep this warrant or then sell it. Whoever wished to pursue > it would then have the land surveyed and then it would be Patented. A patent > basically was a document, as I understand it, which recorded the survey and > stated, the 300 acres guaranteed to so-and-so by virtue of the warrant is > located from the apple tree, north 38 perches, etc., etc. > > Most times a person took out a warrant and never lived there; they sold it to > make money; wealthy individuals would buy cheaply the rights to thousands of > acres and then sell them to prospective settlers who would then have them > surveyed; or, the individuals would take the time to have boundaries drawn > before he sold the warrants. > > Thus, a warrant is only someone acquiring the right to a certain acreage of > undefined land that has NEVER BEFORE BEEN owned by another individual, and > gets it from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania; a patent is the recording of > the exact location of the land to which the warrant entitles the individual. > > After a private party comes into ownership of the land, there are two manners > in which it can be disposed of: by deed or by will. The following names are > purely hypothetical. Thus, let's say that John Smith took out a warrant for > 300 acres in Centre Co. in 1801. No one had ever owned this land before him. > He staked his claim, had it surveyed, divided the land into two 150 acre > lots, and had it "Patented" as such in his name. He then sold the lots to > Henry Jones and William Smith in 1805. Those are private transactions, by > Deed, and would not be recorded in any warrant book. They were recorded in > the County Deed Books. Then, let's say Henry Jones died in 1850 and left a > will, declaring that his acreage would be divided among his five sons. No > deeds for this were recorded (usually), as the transfer was made by will. > > So, if you are hunting when Henry Jones bought his land, it will not appear > in any warrant books; he actually bought land from John Smith in 1805, aka > "The John Smith Warrant" and that record would be filed in the County > Recorder of Deeds office. Those are not online; one must write or visit them. > > The only reason your ancestor will show up in a Warrant book is if he bought > land that had never before been owned by an individual; if he bought land > from another individual, the deed book is the place to find it. Or, he may > have inherited by a will and there is no deed. > > Hope this helps. > > Justin > > Justin Kirk Houser > Genealogist/Researcher of Central PA and Beyond > Main Lines: Houser, Breon, Shawley, Ranio (and others) > President, BAHS Class of 2003 > Listowner, PACENTRE-L@Rootsweb.com > Historian, Schürch Association of North America (specialty Central PA lines) > Member, Valley View United Methodist Church > "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature" > > > ==== PACENTRE Mailing List ==== > Respond to posts if you have data on the particular question -- you never know when someone has information that can help you! >

Thanks so much for the explanation of land warrants, patents, etc. It's a little more understandable now. Jan Leigh Strange, CCHT, RM Ask me about hypnotherapy for enhanced self esteem, pain management, self healing, spiritual emergence, past life regression.

Dorothy, They must have lived near the St. John's Union Church and Cemetery in Farmers Mills. Robert Gates Kennelley was a son of James (1838-1918) and Sarah Jane (Cain) Kennelley (1845-1898). James was a son of Stephen (1807-1873) and Sarah Salome (Breon) Kennelley (1822-1901). Justin Justin Kirk Houser Genealogist/Researcher of Central PA and Beyond Main Lines: Houser, Breon, Shawley, Ranio (and others) President, BAHS Class of 2003 Listowner, PACENTRE-L@Rootsweb.com Historian, Schürch Association of North America (specialty Central PA lines) Member, Valley View United Methodist Church "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature"

Pat, I have C. A. Weaver in my database, but not much to help you, I'm afraid. I only show that he was born 13 Feb 1853 in Centre County; m. 1891 to Mabel Edmunds, b 1872 in Haines Twp. I show him as being a s/o Henry A. and Rosetta (Stover) Weaver. Fred Houts, Brooklyn Center MN

Hello all, The land system at that time worked something like this, as I understand it: A person became entitled (either by purchase, recompense for military service, or some other gift) to a prescribed amount of land, from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. This person would then take out a Warrant, stating that a certain acreage in their name existed within the Commonwealth. This was not yet surveyed, etc. Thus, with the warrants, it is basically a document stating, "Somewhere in Centre County, the bearer _____ is entitled to 300 acres of land for service in the military or payment of a set sum," etc., etc., although in much more "legal" language. The person could keep this warrant or then sell it. Whoever wished to pursue it would then have the land surveyed and then it would be Patented. A patent basically was a document, as I understand it, which recorded the survey and stated, the 300 acres guaranteed to so-and-so by virtue of the warrant is located from the apple tree, north 38 perches, etc., etc. Most times a person took out a warrant and never lived there; they sold it to make money; wealthy individuals would buy cheaply the rights to thousands of acres and then sell them to prospective settlers who would then have them surveyed; or, the individuals would take the time to have boundaries drawn before he sold the warrants. Thus, a warrant is only someone acquiring the right to a certain acreage of undefined land that has NEVER BEFORE BEEN owned by another individual, and gets it from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania; a patent is the recording of the exact location of the land to which the warrant entitles the individual. After a private party comes into ownership of the land, there are two manners in which it can be disposed of: by deed or by will. The following names are purely hypothetical. Thus, let's say that John Smith took out a warrant for 300 acres in Centre Co. in 1801. No one had ever owned this land before him. He staked his claim, had it surveyed, divided the land into two 150 acre lots, and had it "Patented" as such in his name. He then sold the lots to Henry Jones and William Smith in 1805. Those are private transactions, by Deed, and would not be recorded in any warrant book. They were recorded in the County Deed Books. Then, let's say Henry Jones died in 1850 and left a will, declaring that his acreage would be divided among his five sons. No deeds for this were recorded (usually), as the transfer was made by will. So, if you are hunting when Henry Jones bought his land, it will not appear in any warrant books; he actually bought land from John Smith in 1805, aka "The John Smith Warrant" and that record would be filed in the County Recorder of Deeds office. Those are not online; one must write or visit them. The only reason your ancestor will show up in a Warrant book is if he bought land that had never before been owned by an individual; if he bought land from another individual, the deed book is the place to find it. Or, he may have inherited by a will and there is no deed. Hope this helps. Justin Justin Kirk Houser Genealogist/Researcher of Central PA and Beyond Main Lines: Houser, Breon, Shawley, Ranio (and others) President, BAHS Class of 2003 Listowner, PACENTRE-L@Rootsweb.com Historian, Schürch Association of North America (specialty Central PA lines) Member, Valley View United Methodist Church "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature"

As usual, Justin enters, and the light dawns! What would we ever do without Justin? It just amazes me that he has so much knowledge of Centre County and can explain everything so well. Thanks so much for the clarification, Justin! By the way, are the records of deeds pretty complete as far as land that was actually acquired by deed? What information does a person need in order to look up deeds? What if all you have is a name on a tax list for a certain year? Thanks again! Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: <JKHouser84@aol.com> To: <PACENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 6:29 PM Subject: [PACENTRE] Pennsylvania Land Records, Warrants, etc. Hello all, The land system at that time worked something like this, as I understand it: A person became entitled (either by purchase, recompense for military service, or some other gift) to a prescribed amount of land, from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. This person would then take out a Warrant, stating that a certain acreage in their name existed within the Commonwealth. This was not yet surveyed, etc. Thus, with the warrants, it is basically a document stating, "Somewhere in Centre County, the bearer _____ is entitled to 300 acres of land for service in the military or payment of a set sum," etc., etc., although in much more "legal" language. The person could keep this warrant or then sell it. Whoever wished to pursue it would then have the land surveyed and then it would be Patented. A patent basically was a document, as I understand it, which recorded the survey and stated, the 300 acres guaranteed to so-and-so by virtue of the warrant is located from the apple tree, north 38 perches, etc., etc. Most times a person took out a warrant and never lived there; they sold it to make money; wealthy individuals would buy cheaply the rights to thousands of acres and then sell them to prospective settlers who would then have them surveyed; or, the individuals would take the time to have boundaries drawn before he sold the warrants. Thus, a warrant is only someone acquiring the right to a certain acreage of undefined land that has NEVER BEFORE BEEN owned by another individual, and gets it from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania; a patent is the recording of the exact location of the land to which the warrant entitles the individual. After a private party comes into ownership of the land, there are two manners in which it can be disposed of: by deed or by will. The following names are purely hypothetical. Thus, let's say that John Smith took out a warrant for 300 acres in Centre Co. in 1801. No one had ever owned this land before him. He staked his claim, had it surveyed, divided the land into two 150 acre lots, and had it "Patented" as such in his name. He then sold the lots to Henry Jones and William Smith in 1805. Those are private transactions, by Deed, and would not be recorded in any warrant book. They were recorded in the County Deed Books. Then, let's say Henry Jones died in 1850 and left a will, declaring that his acreage would be divided among his five sons. No deeds for this were recorded (usually), as the transfer was made by will. So, if you are hunting when Henry Jones bought his land, it will not appear in any warrant books; he actually bought land from John Smith in 1805, aka "The John Smith Warrant" and that record would be filed in the County Recorder of Deeds office. Those are not online; one must write or visit them. The only reason your ancestor will show up in a Warrant book is if he bought land that had never before been owned by an individual; if he bought land from another individual, the deed book is the place to find it. Or, he may have inherited by a will and there is no deed. Hope this helps. Justin Justin Kirk Houser Genealogist/Researcher of Central PA and Beyond Main Lines: Houser, Breon, Shawley, Ranio (and others) President, BAHS Class of 2003 Listowner, PACENTRE-L@Rootsweb.com Historian, Schürch Association of North America (specialty Central PA lines) Member, Valley View United Methodist Church "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature" ==== PACENTRE Mailing List ==== Respond to posts if you have data on the particular question -- you never know when someone has information that can help you!

I, too, wondered about the absence of names. Thanks for the explanation. Are there others? For instance, I noticed that though my line of OSWALTs were not listed, the family was there for at least two generations (g & gggrandparents), if not more. However, the Treasters (ggggrands) are listed. Could it be that land was given or divided among children that would not have been registered, and subsequently handed down through the family? Could it be that, because of changes in county lines, the records would be in another county? By the way, just what is a land warrantee? Jan Leigh Strange, CCHT, RM Ask me about hypnotherapy for enhanced self esteem, pain management, self healing, spiritual emergence, past life regression.

Hi: I noticed on the warrantee site, the above names. I've put in queries before and thought I'd take another shot at my stonewall. My gg grandfather, Jacob Shaner (m. Mary Elizabeth "Peggy/Polly" Friel), was born in Boggs Township, lived in Roland---don't know when or where he died after 1870. According to family folklore, he had a falling out with his family, particularly his father, and left the family. Did he slightly change his name from something close to Shaner, i.e., Shaver, Sharer, etc? I found a Jacob Sharer in Huntingdon who would have fit, but not completely. Supposedly, his father had a farm on a river? In his father's Will, the farm went to the oldest son (not Jacob) as long as the other sons would help him work it. Again, supposedly, the probate file was not closed for many, many years because of my Jacob's refusal to sign. Could it have been in Centre County? An interesting story but is there also a grain of truth there somewhere? Of course, any hint or clue would be so exciting and perhaps solve this mystery. Jacob was supposedly born in 1810 in PA and all I have found are two sons, Cornelius who died as a child, and John Irvin who moved to Huntingdon/Blair after discharge from service in the Civil War. Thanks for anything. Marge Wilcox, Brighton, MI Rootsweb Sponsor Plus

Great, I found two names from my data base but now what do I do. What is a LAND WARRENT and can I get a copy of it?? Basic I know but I never ran into one. Thanks, Charlie