The following message was posted on the Union County List and is re-posted here with permission of the author. I thought it would be of interest to Centre County folks, also, and it does include some Centre County information. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson Sulouff" <zuli@sprintmail.com> To: <PAUNION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:03 AM Subject: Re: Higher education in Union County, 1850s > Laura and Union Co. Listers, > > In those days there were "academies" and "seminaries" established at > local levels. Perhaps your great grandfather attended one of these > institutions in Union County to get credentials in higher education. I > do not have a thoroughly researched picture of how these institutions > would fit into today's patterns of higher education, but it appears they > were probably akin to what we call "prep schools." I have seen cases > where these institutions respectively qualified their students to teach > in what we would call the "elementary grades" or to preach sermons in > church. I know of similar academies and seminaries that were established > in other nearby counties during this same period, for example in Juniata > County to the south. > > The information in the following paragraph is taken from *A Sulouff and > Suloff Family History* published in January 2001. It illustrates from > contemporary correspondence the nature of these local academies and > seminaries. The prominence of New Berlin in the discussion is explained > by the fact that it was the county seat of Union County from 1815 to > 1855: > > Correspondence preserved by the Noetling family of Mifflinburg, Union > County, indicates that the eldest son, William Noetling, born 1830, > attended the "Mifflinburg Academy" and also took courses at the "Baptist > institution in Lewisburg" before going on to matriculate with "advanced > standing" at Union College in Schenectady NY in 1855. A younger brother, > Charles Noetling, born 1832, "received his education in the common > schools and in the academy at New Berlin and in the Union Seminary in > Union County." The academy at New Berlin provided preparatory work for > entering college. The Union Seminary in Union County was also located in > New Berlin. The youngest son in this family, John Noetling, born 1834, > "received his education in the Franklin School or the German School in > Mifflinburg and continued in the one-room schools of New Berlin after > the family moved in 1847 to Union Township, Union Co. In 1855 John was > enrolled in a summer term in New Berlin.... In January 1856 the Union > Seminary was opened in New Berlin by the Lutheran and Reformed Churches, > and John was in the first group to enter.... Regulations at the Seminary > included that the male students could not speak with females nor make > evening calls at the house of any lady. 5:00 a.m. was wakeup at the > ringing of a bell, another bell at 9:00 to start school, another at > 12:00 for lunch, another at 1:30 p.m. to resume school and another at > 5:00 p.m. to end school. 7:00 was study time at the ringing of a bell, > and another bell was to go to bed. To go preaching at least once on a > Sunday was a requirement.... After completing the Fall term at the > Seminary in 1856 John turned to teaching.... He first accepted an > appointment in one of the New Berlin schools and wrote to William [his > brother] that the teaching was among the Moravians....John wrote of the > boys, "And I can tell you such disorderly scholars I never have seen > before, I have a good strap in use, but instead of teaching I could not > do any things but strapping. It is enough to wear a person down by > calling out with the most intense emphasis for order, as well as > stomping on the floor that it nearly shakes down the whole house. It > shall be a warning to me never to accept a situation after this [i.e., > such as this].... I have more labor than I like since I have 60 pupils > and have so many in Davies' PRIMARY ARITHMETIC, that they sometimes come > with their slates in overwhelming numbers.... In December 1858 John > moved to teach in Howard, Centre County. He describes taking the stage > to Millheim, continuing on foot to the Brush Valley Road in the rain, > hitching a ride to Madisonburg, and then walking across two mountains > through Walker and Marion Townships to reach Howard. He found the > villagers friendly but ran into severe disciplinary problems again. When > he was trying to whip one of the largest boys, the boy wrested the whip > from his hand and they ended up tussling on the floor with the other > boys looking on. When he got control of the boy, he freed him without > resuming his effort to apply the whip. When the word got around he > received criticism for not administering the flogging." One way or > another John managed to enter the Medical College Of Pennsylvania in > Philadelphia in October 1859, graduated, and returned to set up medical > practice in New Berlin immediately thereafter. In 1864 he accepted a > commission in the 55th Pennsylvania Infantry Regiment as an Assistant > Surgeon and wrote that he saw from 30 to 40 patients each day in his > tent. He was discharged in June 1865. > > I realize this information about the Noetling sons goes off on lines > that are tangential to the point of this message, but I thought it might > be interesting and instructive to fellow Listers. Sometimes it is hard > for us to recreate in our minds just what it was like to live in > Pennsylvania in the mid-1800's, and this sort of review helps us realize > how different things were back then from what we are used to today. >

Oops! A typo. I meant to type 1840. Thanks, Joyce. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: <JLAdgate@aol.com> To: <suerenkert@gci.net> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [PACENTRE] 1840 Census Haines Township > Hi Sue, > When you speak of the 1849 census are you referring to the actual 1850 > census, since there was no 1849 census. In the 1850 census you will find > Penn and Haines Twp. listed together at the beginning of the roll. Joyce

Does anyone know whether Haines Township was excluded from the 1849 Centre County Federal Census? Neither of my ancestors living there appears in the AIS Index. I have been looking at the actual online census images. At the end, the census enumerator listed column totals by township (in the order they are on the microfilm). Haines Township was not included, but was written in under the totals with no figures entered for Haines Township. Can anyone shed any light on this? Thanks, Sue

I am looking for parents of Joseph Kramer b. 1794 Lancaster, PA. He married Mary Brown 20 Sep 1814 either in Lancaster or Centre Co PA. Most of the children were probably born in either Lancaster or Centre Co, PA. Sarah b. 25 Mar 1815 Mary b. 5 May 1816 Lewis b. 24 July 1818 Eliza b. 20 Jul 1820 Jacob b. 24 Dec 1822 Hannah b. 9 Mar 1824 John b. 9 Feb 1825 Henry b. 22 Sep 1827 Isaac C b. 2 Apr 1830 Samuel E b. 22 Apr 1832 Jerome b. 16 Apr 1834 Lewis Kramer married 1st Juliann Bradley, 2nd Mary E Parker. Jacob Kramer married Maria D Kent. Can anyone relate to this family, or have Pennsylvania records of births or marriages that might list any of this family. Thanks for any help Sue

Hi! This is my first post to this list. I'm looking for information about my ggrandmother, Emma Jane Varner. She married George Calvin Close. I don't know when either was born, though some evidence suggests abt. 1872. They lived in Phillipsburg, where my grandmother, Mary, was born. According to my aunt, George Calvin died when my grandmother was young. My uncle says Emma died in the winter, but he's not sure of the year. He remembers being 13-14 years old and it was the early 1940's when she died. This puts her death at around 1939-1942. If anyone could help me get a more precise date of death, I would be most grateful. An obit would really help. Kind regards, Chris Wieland

Looking for information on John Burrell who came from Shamokin, Pa. to Georges Valley in Centre Cty. He married Rachel Mckinney , daughter of Abraham McKinney. There is also a brother Samuel who came with him. Would like information on the background of these two brothers, John is my ggggrandfather. marythomas@compaq.net

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Two archivists will relate how to access the archives as well as what types of family information is available to researchers. Records of historical importance to western Pennsylvania may be found here, including over 3500 archival collections in the library. Current, on-line initiatives like the Historic Pittsburgh Project and the Jewish Cemetery Database will also be presented. Some of the resources at the Archives Service Center of the University of Pittsburgh, 400 North Lexington Avenue, as well as current projects regarding some of those collections, will be discussed in the second part of this program. The Archives of Industrial Society is the name of a body of 600+ collections related to the ethnic, industrial, social, political, cultural, and environmental history of Pittsburgh and Western Pennsylvania. Some of these are the Allegheny county Coroner’s records, church, city, county, business, and fraternal organization records. Steve Doell has been the Director of Archives of the Historical Society of Western Pennsylvania for over three years. He has worked as an archivist with the Historical Society since 1993. He holds a M.A. in History, a B.A. in American Studies and is a member of the Academy of Certified Archivists. David R. Grinnell is currently the Acquisitions Archivist of the Historical Society of Western Pennsylvania. He is responsible for arranging the transfer of books, publications, photographs and manuscript collections to the History Center from the individuals and company officials who are donating these items. A native of Michigan, David can trace most branches of his ancestry to the pioneers of that state, who settled there prior to 1840. For the last 25 year, he had researched and compiled a great amount of information on his family. He moved to Pittsburgh in late 1995. Since 1998, David has been an archivist at the History Center. Including Genealogy, his major interests include the history of religious organizations, abolitionist in Western Pa, and African-American history. He is a member of the Mid Atlantic Archives Conference, the Archives and History Team of the Western PA Conference of the United Methodist Church, the Board of Directors of the Allegheny City Society. Dennis East has been head of the Archives Service Center, University of Pittsburgh since May 1999. In 1988, he took advantage of early retirement from his position as Associate Dean of Libraries and Learning Resources at Bowling Green State University in Bowling Green, Ohio. During his ten years at Bowling Green he was in charge of the special collection libraries, fund raising, grant writing, and facilities management. Prior to coming to Bowling Green, he served two weeks shy of twelve years as State Archivist and Chief of the Archives-Library Division at the Ohio Historical Society in Columbus. 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In a message dated 09/25/2001 1:37:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lilybee2000@juno.com writes: << One more Dillen,Dillon, Dillan to add to the list I submitted from the 1850 census for Clearfield and Centre counties: Centre County, page 245, Huston Twp.- William, age 50 and Mary A., age 48, both born PA, no children listed. >> Hi This info was listed in Centre Co. marriages 1800 - 1850 1829 Dec. 17, 1829 ~ William DILLEN of Patton Twp. and Mary A. DAVIDSON of Spring Twp., married by Rev. James LINN Ref. Source; Historical Journal and James V. Brown Mem. Library in Williamsport, PA There are 9 Davidson listings and Alexander DAVIDSON of Spring Twp. married Jan. 17, 1832 ( one of my relatives) Sarah HICKS of Patton Twp.,. and 11 listings in the marriages from 1851 - 1873. Hope this helps! Jean

In a message dated 09/25/2001 12:39:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, suerenkert@gci.net writes: << I was hoping to learn of a possible father for my great-aunt's daughter, Ellen Lucetta Strayer, born about 1868 in Aaronsburg. >> Hi Sue This STRAYER/STRAER info is listed in Centre Co. Marriages 1800 - 1850: 1839 April 7, 1839 ~ Christian SCHOOP and Mary STRAER, both of Potter Twp. married by Rev. P. S. FISHER Ref. Source: Peter S. FISHER Records and Spangler Collection 175:71 1841 Nov. 2, 1841 ~ *John HEWS and Susan STRAYER (no res. listed) married by Rev. William STUART Ref. Source: Pattee Library at Penn State (*If anyone has info on this family or info on the John HEWS above, please contact me. I am researching HEWS/HEWES/HUGHS/HUGHES in Centre Co. Thanks!) Marriages 1851 - 1873 1873 June 13, 1873 ~ W.P.BAUM of New Berlin, Union Co. and Maggie J. STRAYER of Rebersburg, married by Rev. William LANDIS Ref. Source: Centre Reporter 7/17 Hope this helps! Jean

Hello Listers, Is anyone able/willing to do the following lookups in the Philipsburg Journal, and provide photocopies of the articles? I would be happy to pay research & copying/postage costs. If anyone is willing, please email DDuBarry@aol.com to let me know approx. costs, & exchange snailmail addresses. I am grateful for any help!!! Luann Haney Philipsburg Journal Index * NAME/ (nature of event) ---------------------Date of Event/Date of Publication HANEY, Betty Lou (obit, 7 yr-old)------------17 May 1937/pub 18 May 1937' HANEY, Mrs. Edward (? possible obit?)--8 Mar 1924/pub 10 Mar 1924 HANEY, Peter (Obit)----------------------------4 Dec 1916/pub 8 Dec 1916 (note: other records indicate Peter Haney actually died 5 Dec 1916) HANEY, Lois ((Mrs. Robert)) (Obit)--------06 Dec 1962/pub 7 Dec 1962 HANEY, Robert (Obit)--------------------------21 Dec 1964/pub 22 Dec 1964 HANEY, Walter (?possible obit?)-------------17 Jan 1972/pub 19 Jan 1972 HANEY, Mary (Bunnell) --(? possible obit?)----------01 Jun 1957/puib 03 Jun 1957 HANEY, Ira & GRAFFIUS, Emma (Marriage)------------11 Jan 1912/pub 12 Jan 1912 HANEY, James T & LEMON, Mary F (Marriage)---------15 Jul 1884/ pub 25 Jul 1884 (Think the above may be my long-lost great, great uncle!!!!) WILLIAMS, Perry F. & HANEY, Anna (Marriage)----------26 Jan 1925/ pub 29 Jan 1925 UPDIKE, Edward U. & HANEY, Anna B. (Marriage) ---- 11 Feb 1919/ pub 14 Feb 1919. (Note: Edw. Updike's middle initial is actually "W", not "U") ALSO--- UPDIKE, Edward W.... Died 22 Dec, 1922, probably in Blair Co, but was married to Anna Haney at the time; possibly reported in Philipsburg Journal. Desperately seeking any obit or death notice.... this is a real brick wall!!! *Index listings graciously provided by Carole Smith of the Blair Co. Genealogical Society, which has the index. but no microfilm of the actual publication.

Hi >>>> from Huntingdon Co. List Group message # 3 from ERMccauley@aol.com Harry MCCAULEY, Mary C. MCAULEY w/o William C. and dtr of John GLENN and Hannah BAILEY>>>>>> >From Centre Co. Pa American Revolution Soldiers and Patriots JOHN GLENN b. 1741 Ireland Died: Ca 1812 Married: 1. Ann ____ 2. Mary DIVEN (DIVER) Cem: Glenn/Borland Cem. about 3 Miles west of Pine Grove Mills Marker along Rt. 45 Rev. War Service: Private Capt. William MOORE'S 1st Co, 2nd Battalion, Cumberland Co. Militia Comments: John Glenn was born in the North of Ireland, Ulster Co., whence he came witha number of other Scotch Irish, about 1769 - 70 settled in the Co. of Chester, then after a while proceeded to the Cumberland Valley, there he married Mary DIVEN, of Path Valley, Cumberland Co. He was in the War of the Revolution, serving in the 1st Co. 2nd Batalion, Penna. Miulitia, continental line. He received a grant of land, 50 acres, in Cumberland Co., Sept. 15, 1774; was taxed for 200 acres of land in 1778, also in 1781; also taxed as a lumber master in 1780. In the census of 1790, Cumberland Co., was listed as head of family, containing two males under 16, one adult female and two females under 16. Came from Path Valley, Cumberland Co. to what was then Huntingdon Co., purchased 700 acres of land at the head of Spruce Creek in the Glades: these records are at Huntingdon. Here he settled, lived, died and was buried on his own land. His will was probated in Bellefonte, Centre Co. Pa October 25, 1819, and mentions wife Mary and six children. He was first mentioned on tax list of Centre Co. in 1801, as was also his son James Glenn, Jr. His son married Mary BORLAND, dtr. of John BORLAND and his wife Catherine MONTGOMERY (From a paper prepared by Mrs. W. T. Hunt ( Mabel Woodring Hunt) Regent, Renovo Chapter DAR (Reprinted in Democratic Watchman May 1, 1931 after the dedication of the marker for John BORLAND, George MEEK and John GLENN on April 25, 1931) Children: John, Jr. m. Catherine MCPHERSON James m. Mary "Polly" BORLAND Elizabeth m. James GLEN Robert m. Martha BORLAND Mary Ann m. ______ MONTGOMERY Joseph m. Mary "Polly" THOMPSON Polly m. Henry MCWILLIAMS Jane m. Thomas MCCLEMONS Isabella (?) m. John HASTINGS References: PA Archives 5th Series Vol. 6 pg 192 ibid 3rd Series Vol 23 pg 477 (Pension List) Patriot Index DAR 1994 Patriot Index Members and Ancestors 1893 - 1993 Centre Co. Orphans Court File #1546 Letters of Admin. Nov. 18, 1827 Our William THOMPSON by May Thompson Williamson 1941 Marriages 1800 - 1850 Centre Co. Pa History of Centre and Clinton Co. Pa by John Blair Linn 1883 The Cem. of Ferguson Twp. Centre Co. Pa pg 134 Hope this helps! Jean Corio Tampa, Fl

Hi I am forwarding this post from the Huntingdon, Pa list group. Please reply to: **Sorry ~ this should be reply to: ERMcCauley@aol.com Thanks! Jean

Hi I am forwarding this post from the Huntingdon, Pa list group. Please reply to: 13e27c1cc1.28ef4dc0@aol.com Thanks! Jean To: PAHUNTIN-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <13e.27c1cc1.28ef4dc0@aol.com> Subject: Re: Calling all pack-rats Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does any one have a connection to this family? DEMOCRAT WATCHMAN Bellefonte, Penn. Friday Aug 26,1904 In a recent letter word was received or the sudden and unexpected death of Harry McCauley, which occurred in Mexico, about the 10th of July, His aged mother and her only son Stewart, are the only survivors of that once large family, so well and favorably known in this section. His aged mother refered to in this obits was Mary C. [Glenn] McCauley w/o Wm C. McCauley d/o John Glenn & Hannah Bailey all of Centre Co Pa.

Justin & list, I'm 62 yr old (b 1939) and recall as a kid, perhaps 8-10 yr old, our family going to visit relatives in the Osceola Mills area -- Cornelius & Margaret (Miller) Baney -- and he worked in a small family-owned, or private, coal mine somewhere in the vicinity. He took us there and we walked into the mine a short distance, but I recall there being a tram pulled by either a donkey or mule that they used in bringing coal from the mine. I was too young to remember much else. Am wondering now if it might have been this same Penn No. 5. Cornelius Houtz Baney, mentioned above, was a son of Albon and Anna Viola (Houtz) Baney -- Anna Viola being a sister of my paternal grandfather, Harry Franklin Houts. Fred Houts, Brooklyn Center MN

Good evening, list, I am delighted to share the following information with you as communicated to me concerning the "Penn Number Five" mine in Rush Township. I trust you will all enjoy it. "Info which follows, concerning the "Penn No. 5" mine, was kindly sent by Lynn Raftovich. She asked me to try to resend it to the list as her original post apparently did not go through. The mine itself was located in Centre Co., but many of the workers came from Osceola, Spike Island & Houtzdale, in Clearfield Co. Both Lynn and I have ancestors who worked in Penn NO. 5, so if anyone has additional info on this mine, please post to the list -- I'm sure many people would be interested! Regards, Luann (DDuBarry@aol.com)" ==== >From Lynn Raftovich: Information I obtained in letter from Penna. Department of Environmental Protection in response to my inquiry about Penn No. 5 Coal Mine located in Centre County. Thought it might be helpful to others. Sept 24, 2001 - The towns you mentioned (Houtzdale, Osceola Mills, and Spike Island) are all in bituminous mining areas. The post office address for Penn No. was Osceola Mills although the mine was actually located in Centre County. In 1908 there were two Penn No. 5 collieries in Centre County. One was operated by Peerless Coal Mining Co. and the other was operated by G. L. Whitehead Coal Co. In 1909 only one Penn No. 5 is mentioned and it was operated by Grampiam Coal Mining Company. At that time Penn No. 5 was loacted in the 18th Bituminous Mining District. The districts changed from time to time as new mines were added and old ones worked out. In 1936 and 1937 Penn No. 5 appeared to be idle. In 1938 DuShan Coal Mining Co. began operation Penn No. 5 and in 1940 renamed it DuShan No.3. In 1934 Penn No. was operated by Grampian Coal Mining Co. in the Eighth Bituminous Mining district. The coal mined was the B seam of the Lower Kittanning coal that had an average seam height of 60 inches. The mine was non-gaseous and had a drift opening (a horizontal passageway that follows the path of the coal seam). A disc-type fan, seven feet in diameter, was used for ventilation; there was one pump to pump out any water. Power to the mine was by electricity. The colliery was operated only 67 days in 1934 with 26 employees who produced 13,901 tons of coal. Penn No. 5 had no fatalities or serious injuries that year. However, in 1934 all bituminous coal production in Penna. was 89,592,481 tons with 127,868 employees, 157 fatalities and 1,796 serious injuries. The Department of Environmental Protection has no list of workers from the Penn No. 5 colliery. Although we have no actual figures, we believe wages at that time were between $1-$2 per day. We have no information about how many hours a day they worked. In 1934 there were no mining regulations, but bituminous industry was governed by mining laws contained in the 1911 Mining Code. We do not have a copy of the Code. Regards, Lynn ===== "This info is from a Daniel Dugan in Clearfield, in response to my mention of family lore stating that ggfJohn JAMES was a superintendant of Penn 5. (Based on Mr. Dugan's info, John JAMES would have been over 70 by the time this mine started... so I can only suppose John JAMES must have worked at the "other" Penn 5 mine.) Per Mr. Dan Dugan: 'John Christopher James could not have been the superintendent of the PENN FIVE mine near Sandy Ridge (Edendale/Spike Island area). My father, Arthur Dugan, was the superintendent from the time he opened it in 1939 until it closed around 1953. It was a family mine called Dugan Coal Co. There were other mines such as PENN NINE, etc.' " Justin Justin Kirk Houser Genealogist/Researcher of Central PA and Beyond Main Lines: Houser, Breon, Shawley, Ranio (and others) President, BAHS Class of 2003 Listowner, PACENTRE-L@Rootsweb.com Historian, Schürch Association of North America (specialty Central PA lines) Member, Valley View United Methodist Church "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature"

Hi List, I am trying to find out where in PA John Martin Vote was born in about 1808. Does anyone have access to the 1810 census to see where he was at that time? Or the 1820 census? Jo Vote

One more Dillen,Dillon, Dillan to add to the list I submitted from the 1850 census for Clearfield and Centre counties: Centre County, page 245, Huston Twp.- William, age 50 and Mary A., age 48, both born PA, no children listed. I would be happy to share information with anyone researching the Dillen,Dillon,Dillan name; am also interested in any information anyone has on Katen, Keaton, Keating, Kating. Nancy lilybee2000@juno.com

Thanks much for the replies! I was hoping to learn of a possible father for my great-aunt's daughter, Ellen Lucetta Strayer, born about 1868 in Aaronsburg. Lucetta was raised by Israel and Lucetta Weaver. I don't know whether her father and mother {Agnes Amelia Brilhart, who later married George Burd) were ever married. The younger Lucetta married B. F. Edmunds and someone named Deyo. Thanks again, Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tbird983@aol.com> To: <suerenkert@gci.net> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [PACENTRE] Strayer > I know of lots of Strayers in Blair and Cambria, but not Centre. Any > interest in the other counties? > > Meg

Has anyone come across the name Strayer in Centre County? Sue Renkert Fairbanks, Alaska

Does anyone have any information on the YOUTZ family of Centre County? Thanks, Sue